apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.0-p0; 2.0.0-p353; 1.9.3-p484: http://ruby-lang.org|| Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
<zenspider> have 2 regexps for identifier chars? one which is utf-8 compat and another than is binary?
<zenspider> or have we moved on from that
<zenspider> ?
<whitequark> yes
<whitequark> have a lexer in which all regexps are US-ASCII except the one for identifier chars.
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<whitequark> they'll both be in binary. one will match all \x80-\xff chars, another one just the UTF-8 ones.
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<whitequark> er, no
<whitequark> one will be in binary and matches \x80-\xff, the other one in unicode and matches \u80-\u10ffff. choose based on input encoding.
<whitequark> that's the right one.
<whitequark> do I make sense?
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<zenspider> emacs just crashed (!?!) so I'm catching up
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<zenspider> I think that makes sense. Lemme stash off my binary patch and take another whack at this
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<zenspider> fucking heredocs...
<zenspider> if there was any ONE thing I could remove from ruby... it'd be heredocs
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<zenspider> ivars, symbols, heredoc identifiers, and regular tokens. am I missing anything?
<zenspider> hrm.. prolly means my code for globals is wrong
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<zenspider> yeah. globals can be any ident char too. suck. I have no failures on that (yet)
<whitequark> oh yeah
<whitequark> and
<whitequark> >> $-й
<eval-in> whitequark => nil (https://eval.in/94512)
<whitequark> wow, they actually fixed that in 2.1
<whitequark> it failed in 2.0 and lower
<whitequark> tried to chop й in two
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<whitequark> guess that's another backcompat fix I won't provide...
<zenspider> hrm. looks like it works in the 2.0 code I'm looking at
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<whitequark> zenspider: (heredocs) and I provide precise locations, down to bytes, for heredocs
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<zenspider> at some point, once I have this next release cleaned up and out, I need to delete all my string handling code and start from scratch
<zenspider> ANYTHING would be better than what I curretly have
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<whitequark> zenspider: I still think the way you dispatch over regexps is a major mistake
<whitequark> it's really slow
<whitequark> apparently, since parser doing the same thing in pure ruby gets 2x faster
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<zenspider> I thought you benchmarked and said that ragel was a slower lexer than mine
<zenspider> and what do you mean by "dispatch over regexp"?
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<whitequark> zenspider: that was old shitty parser
<whitequark> the new shiny is 2x-2.5x faster and I could improve it without much work
<whitequark> "dispatch over regexp" means "try a hundred of regexps before one matches"
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<JEG2> zenspider: Does it help at all that I believe it's possible write Ruby code in UTF-8 that creates ASCII-8BIT strings. Then you could tack on force_encoding() calls. In other words I'm thinking about massaging the source.
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<JEG2> I guess that's not super helpful though since massaging source is a chicken and egg problem. Yeah, my idea sucks. :(
<zenspider> well.. I'm already massaging the crap out of it... one more rub won't hurt :D
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<JEG2> zenspider Well basically I'm thinking you could byte encode the strings using escapes. Then you could tack on a force_encoding() to push the content back to the right encoding.
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<JEG2> Hope that made sense.
<zenspider> I'm not sure it does
<zenspider> remember... I'm an encoding padawan. :P
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<JEG2> I'll try to show you what I mean when I'm back at my computer…
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<zenspider> JEG2: it's about dinnertime for me too... throw it to me via email pls
<zenspider> and thanks again for your help
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<Lewix> Does CSV take care of the blank lines
<r0bglees0n> it should
<r0bglees0n> that's how you separate rows
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<Lewix> r0bglees0n: i dont like the csv doc on ruby-doc
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<r0bglees0n> Lewix: anything in particular wrong with it?
<Lewix> r0bglees0n: I don't find it clear enough
<r0bglees0n> ah
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<Lewix> r0bglees0n: I was for example trying to see example of code with the headers option on.
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<Lewix> foo[:voila] += foo[:france]
<Lewix> foo[:voila] /= foo[:usa]
<Lewix> is there a better way to write this ^^
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<Lewix> refactor those two in one-liner
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<AdityaRaj> hey guys i am getting some compatibility issues while trying to do bundle install.. can any one please take a look: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8593602
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<AdityaRaj> guys is there a way to set --no-rdoc --no-ri as default??
<apeiros> I think you can do that in ~/.gemrc or somesuch
<maloik> AdityaRaj: your first question: you have version conflicts from the looks of it
<maloik> if you set one gem to use 2.0.5 and another gem is fixed at a version that requires 2.1.0 it'll fail
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<ljarvis> AdityaRaj: add `gem: --no-rdoc --no-ri` to ~/.gemrc
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<AdityaRaj> guys please help me on how to deal with this situation?? : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8593602
<ljarvis> AdityaRaj: maloik did help
<ljarvis> you have dependency conflicts, do you not set versions in your Gemfile?
<AdityaRaj> maloik: i dont see his messages !!
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<AdityaRaj> ljarvis: i am working on existing code.. i can see that at most of the places the version has not been set
<AdityaRaj> i do have gemfile.lock though..
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<ljarvis> you need to manually resolve these conflicts and specify working versions
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<AdityaRaj> ljarvis: can you suggest how i can resolve the issue?? hit and trial ?
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<ljarvis> well, just go through that error message and find versions of haml that work for both, or change the version of brakeman
<AdityaRaj> ljarvis: thanks.. and thanks for being so patient.. :)
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<Lewix> anyone has good eyes at this time at night
<Lewix> ?
<Lewix> ljarvis: ?
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<apeiros> Lewix: from where should the Printer constant in `include Printer` come?
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<Lewix> apeiros: the module
<apeiros> what module?
<Lewix> Printer
<apeiros> so the answer to "from where does Printer come" is "from Printer", not very useful ;-)
<apeiros> Lewix: where should that Printer module be defined?
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<apeiros> Lewix: if you want help, you should reply to follow-up questions. I'm out.
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<Lewix> apeiros: I didn't know that the order mattered
<ljarvis> Lewix: you need to define Printer before you try and include it
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<Lewix> ljarvis: right, Im surprised the order matter
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<ljarvis> why?
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<Lewix> ljarvis: for some reasons I thought it didn't
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<AdityaRaj> guys i am facing this issue.. any one knows how to fix this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20048439/error-installing-therubyracer-gem-for-mac-10-9-rails-3-2-11
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<ljarvis> AdityaRaj: dont use trr
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<AdityaRaj> ljarvis: yeah i noticed that one can also use nodejs.. i guess
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<AdityaRaj> but can you please help me install trr for now??
<ljarvis> there's nothing i can do when there are much better and safer (not to mention logical) alternatives
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<sarovin> hi
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<sarovin> i am a noobs :D
<sarovin> i'm studyng rails
<ljarvis> sarovin: then you probably want #rubyonrails
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<sarovin> i have a problem about has_many through...ok ljarvis, i go on #rubyonrails
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<ljarvis> sarovin: they'll be able to help you more efficiently
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<sarovin> thanks ;)
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ndrst_> good morning #ruby-lang
<maloik> morning? madman!
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: you're such a troll with the Node issue
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: what did i do lol
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<charliesome> ...also which node issue?
<charliesome> the homebrew one or the npm one
<yorickpeterse> the homebrew one
<yorickpeterse> about the dude changing his shell to node
<charliesome> oh lol
<charliesome> well
<charliesome> maybe he legitimately wanted to use node as his shell?
<charliesome> I was just helping him do that in a way that wouldn't break his system ;)
<yorickpeterse> hmpf, no replies yet on my String#scrub question
<yorickpeterse> going to be a fun weekend
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<AdityaRaj> is there a way to reduce the time taken by bundler? Fetching source index from ??
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<tbuehlmann> move near the servers or upgrading your interwebs
<apeiros> AdityaRaj: I usually swear at it and threaten to feed it to /dev/null
<apeiros> AdityaRaj: I'm not sure it has any effect, though
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<AdityaRaj> apeiros: i will surely try that
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<AdityaRaj> ljarvis:if i move to nodejs from trr then do i need to make any changes in the code?
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<AdityaRaj> hey guys is it possible to install a specific gem instead of going through the entire gemfile ? something like bundle install xyz ?
<Voker57> gem install xyz
<Voker57> but bundler won't know about it
<AdityaRaj> no i want it to be done via bundler
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<Voker57> then add it to Gemfile, what's the problem?
<AdityaRaj> cause gem install therubyracer gets through but when i run bundler it gives error on rubyracer and fails
<Voker57> well then you need to find out why it fails and fix it
<Voker57> it probably tries to install different version
<AdityaRaj> Voker57: i have tired every possible suggestion on the internet for this issue.. but not getting anywhere
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<asc232> pastie:hi!
<apeiros> I'd really love to smack the guy who came up with that idea
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<AdityaRaj> apeiros: what idea>?
<apeiros> that "pastie: hi!" idea
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<toretore> pastie: hi!
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<toretore> it was probably dreamer3
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<ljarvis> ya
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<apeiros> toretore: you know him personally?
<toretore> not per se, but he used to hang in #rubyonrails in the good old days
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<toretore> he created the pastie service
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<apeiros> too bad, otherwise I'd have asked you to smack him for me :)
<toretore> haha
<apeiros> telesmacking by proxy
<toretore> as a service
<apeiros> ^^
<toretore> POST /smack?smacker=toretore&smackee=dreamer3
<toretore> would probably have terrible latency
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<apeiros> POST /smack/toretore/dreamer3
<apeiros> we want to be SEO
<toretore> lol
<apeiros> oh, well, actually with a POST…
<apeiros> and it clearly can't be a GET, since it has a slight side-effect :)
<yorickpeterse> use PUT since you're changing an existing state
<apeiros> no, no, you clearly create a new smack
<apeiros> smacks are immutable :D
<yorickpeterse> my fist disagrees
<apeiros> if your resource was smackees_face, I'd agree ^^
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<toretore> well, it would probably have to be async, so a smack-in-progress could potentially be cancelled
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<yorickpeterse> but then you'd end up in smackback-hell
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<toretore> not if my goroutine+channel implementation works
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: what's your AR knowledge like?
<apeiros> I'm sure his Arrrrrr! knowledge is impeccable
<ljarvis> herp
<maloik> ARRRR
<ljarvis> maloik straight representing
<maloik> o7
<ljarvis> this ar transaction is aborting at I dont know why, no exceptions :(
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: wadda ya need?
<maloik> *continues writing arrrrcamp website copy*
<ljarvis> wondering if there's any other reason a transaction would abort apart from db timeout or exception
<yorickpeterse> does it silently fail?
<ljarvis> yeah
<ljarvis> i can't reproduce it well and it's happening sporadically
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<ljarvis> all that happens in the transaction is destry being called on some associations
<yorickpeterse> I think that even when a timeout occurs it should raise in AR
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<ljarvis> :(
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<yorickpeterse> well, seeing how MySQL is shit it's time for me to write an in-memory timed cache
<yorickpeterse> YAY
<yorickpeterse> can't even query a bunch of things using 2 indexes without shitting up CPU wise
<yorickpeterse> it's only doing a few hundred queries per minute or so
<ljarvis> mongo
<yorickpeterse> lol Mongo would just crash
<ljarvis> MONGO
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<DefV> yorickpeterse: Postgres!
<yorickpeterse> actually we are planning the move from El Mongo
<yorickpeterse> we'll be looking into both Pg and MyFirstSQL
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<yorickpeterse> I'm trying to push Pg a bit since it has much better tooling overall
<yorickpeterse> plus supposedly it's table migrations don't suck as badly
<yorickpeterse> plus it's not screwed over by Oracle
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<yorickpeterse> but man, Mongo
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<yorickpeterse> I'd be happy to accept money so I can tell people to not ever use it
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<yorickpeterse> also there's something seriously wrong with out EC2s if they're giving this many timeouts
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<darix> yorickpeterse: well you will at least use mariadb no?
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<yorickpeterse> MariaDB isn't on RDS sadly
<yorickpeterse> so probably not
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<darix> yorickpeterse: well you dont know which mysql flavor they deployed ... might even be mariadb :)
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<yorickpeterse> They're using the MySQL community edition
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<maloik> we use mariadb almost exclusively afaik
<maloik> no problems here, but I suppose you have quite a bit more requirements than we do :)
<yorickpeterse> meh, SQL wise our stuff is boring atm
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<yorickpeterse> The data we save in Mongo also isn't that interesting structure wise, it's just the amount that makes things tip
<yorickpeterse> even though 150 GB isn't all that much
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<yorickpeterse> (apparently too much for Mongo)
<yorickpeterse> I honestly don't get this "data fetish" some people have
<yorickpeterse> "ooohohhhhh sheeeee big daataaa"
<yorickpeterse> (focusing purely on the data being there that is)
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<yorickpeterse> meh
<yorickpeterse> I don't like those tweets
<yorickpeterse> "X is like sex" or "X is like women they <insert stupid joke>"
<yorickpeterse> I prefer "Fuck X" :P
<yorickpeterse> as in, "Fuck Mongo, it's stupid"
<yorickpeterse> in case that wasn't obvious already
<apeiros> ah well, it doesn't compare it to a thing, rather to an attitude towards it. and IME, it captures it quite nicely :)
<yorickpeterse> I wonder when people start calling it "Data 2.0"
<toretore> Data+
<toretore> NextGen Data
<apeiros> Data++?
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<apeiros> Data#, #Data?
<yorickpeterse> Data+ makes it sound like it's a product of Google
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<r0bglees0n> what about Data
<r0bglees0n> the ruby Data
<r0bglees0n> we already got it
<yorickpeterse> yeah but it's not called BigData
<yorickpeterse> >> class BigData; @@data = 10_000_000_000_000_000.times.map { |n| n.to_s + "lol" }; end
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => [FATAL] failed to allocate memory (https://eval.in/94774)
<yorickpeterse> see? too big data
<r0bglees0n> hehe
<yorickpeterse> we should refactor that and just throw away what we can't refactor
<yorickpeterse> that's a reference to http://blog.mongodb.org/post/62899600960/scaling-advice-from-mongohq for those who didn't read the post
<yorickpeterse> "3. Remove data that does not fit MongoDB: remove “unrefactorable” data"
<yorickpeterse> This is a company that makes crap tons of money by basically having /dev/null in the cloud
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: "2. Refactor your schema …" - isn't one point of Mongo to *not* have a schema? o0
<r0bglees0n> everything got a schema
<r0bglees0n> it's just loosely defined in mongo
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: when mongo says "schemaless" they really mean "no global schema", documents still have them ofc
<yorickpeterse> so what they're saying is "lol define a global schema"
<apeiros> funny… fits right with my bias.
<apeiros> or prejudice?
<yorickpeterse> Which means they're contradicting the very definition of what a schemaless storage engine is
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<yorickpeterse> I called it /dev/null because you put in stuff in mongo in whatever way you'd like, getting it out however is a pita
<yorickpeterse> heavens forbid querying 10k documents
<apeiros> r0bglees0n: that's what I'd claim too. but as far as I understand, DB vendors like Mongo claim otherwise
<yorickpeterse> (hint: that takes about 5 seconds in our case)
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<apeiros> ouch
<yorickpeterse> which would be fine if it weren't live queries
<apeiros> 5s for 10k docs? I assume size is not the limiting factor? (ie., bandwidth)
<yorickpeterse> So one of our pages basically shows company groups, their ranking and a bunch of their competitors with the same data
<yorickpeterse> This is based on review ratings and such
<yorickpeterse> I think it was around 10k reviews in total for this one page
<apeiros> well, thinking about it… if all 10k records get deserialized, AR isn't really faster than that
<yorickpeterse> THe serializing/deserializing aspect isn't the problem
<apeiros> so is those 5s including the ruby layer and mapping time?
<yorickpeterse> You can run the query in the mongo shell and it will be just as slow
<apeiros> ok. ouch indeed then.
<yorickpeterse> Yes, I ran some half-assed benchmarks which showed around 5 seconds or so
<yorickpeterse> funny enough: if you use their aggregation framework and do a $project first (basically a SELECT) and *then* a $match (a WHERE), it will first $project the entire fucking database
<yorickpeterse> It makes some sense, since it's a pipeline, but it's *so* easy to make mistakes there
<yorickpeterse> and you can't run an EXPLAIN on aggregation queries as far as I know
<yorickpeterse> ok lol, I think loading said page actually took like 10 seconds (didn't pop open network profiler fast enough)
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<apeiros> oh, so it's a declarative language without a query optimizer?
<yorickpeterse> pretty much
<apeiros> fun
<apeiros> that said, I like SQL only for simple queries
<yorickpeterse> you can do some pretty cool stuff with it but I'd much rather have some extra safety from SQL
<apeiros> with complex queries, I'd prefer to have an imperative language
<yorickpeterse> Plus most, if not all of the stuff we query, can be done in SQL too
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<yorickpeterse> http://hastebin.com/raw/vuwukisiti <- aggregation query
<yorickpeterse> if you swap that first $match and $project you're screwed
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<yorickpeterse> mind you this particular query runs in 1.8, probably a tad faster in 1.9/2.X
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<yorickpeterse> yay rbx in $PROD
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<apeiros> sob, selecting from a large table in an rdbms with an "unexpected" order isn't exactly fast either…
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<yorickpeterse> also there's no Mac pro on the list :<
<jds> I might of been expecting too much, but I found myself a bit underwhelmed with Chronic, both with some gaps where it can't parse strings, and in its handling of errors, where its quite happy to raise NoMethodError on bad input, which seemed a bit unpleasant to me
<jds> Is there anything else I should look at for natural language time parsing?
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<jds> *might've, sorry.
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: YOU CAN'T RUN FROM THE CHRONIC MONSTER
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<ljarvis> jds: there is nothing better that exists at the moment
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<ljarvis> jds: I would say file a bug, but I've been too busy to fix chronic stuff lately
<ljarvis> jds: that said, raising nomethoderror is most certainly a bug
<jds> ljarvis: you're the maintainer?
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<ljarvis> i am
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<jds> Ah. In which case ... a) thanks for the best natural language time parser I've found so far :)
<ljarvis> someone joined recently to help out, and then they realized how hard this stuff is and it scared them off
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<jds> b) I'll try and figure out a reproduction and/or fix for the NoMethodError problem
<ljarvis> jds: that'd be great, thanks. What are you trying to parse out of curiosity?
<jds> Typical "tomorrow at 10am" stuff. The one I keep running into that doesn't work is Chronic.parse("10am tomorrow"), which returns nil
<jds> I seem to remember there's already an issue filed on that
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<jds> For my use-case, I'd actually really like timezone support, but I'm aware that's going to be a whole bag of crazy
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<ljarvis> it might just be a case of adding a handler for it
<ljarvis> in chronic/definition
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<jds> I'll take a look
<ljarvis> it's a bit of a ghetoo
<ljarvis> ghetoo?
<ljarvis> ghetto, also
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<bougyman> hrm
<bougyman> 'date' does this well
<bougyman> as in: date -d "10am tomorrow"
<ljarvis> yeah I'm actually working on replacing chronic and trying to lean on that
<jds> Huh, handles timezones too
<apeiros> whitequark: CNC - the one to build boards?
<whitequark> yeah
<bougyman> ljarvis: even does timezones well -> TZ="America/Los_Angeles" date -d "$(date -d '10am tomorrow')"
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<ljarvis> bougyman: yup
<ljarvis> bougyman: i've dived deep into it
<ljarvis> and other options too
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<ljarvis> but it's not that black and white unfortunately
<bougyman> it's amber and black in my console.
<ljarvis> :D
<ljarvis> oh you
<yorickpeterse> it's also not webscale
<yorickpeterse> hm company drinks, better stay away from $PROD in the next 2 hours
<ljarvis> also date works differently on different system
<ljarvis> s
<ljarvis> date(1) i mean
<ljarvis> not literally date that would be silly
<apeiros> whitequark: nice. do you have a link to the CNC machine?
<jds> yeah, afaict the Mac version of date knows nothing about -d
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<apeiros> whitequark: thanks
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<yorickpeterse> oh neat, I think I found some weird bugs in the aws-sdk
<yorickpeterse> getting signature mismatches all of a sudden
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<jds> ew
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<jds> yorickpeterse: let me know if you find anything interesting with the signature mismatches. I was trying to figure out some of those from our s3 logs earlier today...
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<jds> ljarvis: submitted a couple of PRs, feel free to give me a shout if there's any problems
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<ljarvis> jds: cool thanks
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<yorickpeterse> yay lock errors in Nokogiri
<yorickpeterse> y u cache on class level :<
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<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri/issues/1035 welp, lets see what happens
<centrx> I predict "Unable to reproduce"
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<yorickpeterse> well I'm not sure what's even causing it, so that wouldn't surprise me
<yorickpeterse> but caching stuff on class level in itself is bad
<yorickpeterse> that's bound to explode
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<ljarvis> derp
<yorickpeterse> meh, 5% failure rate
<yorickpeterse> could be worse
<yorickpeterse> we only have 5000 errors left in Rollbar though :<
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<yorickpeterse> burnt through them a bit too fast
<yorickpeterse> (our limit is 200K)
<ljarvis> tempted to close that issue with a huge trololol face
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<yorickpeterse> fuk you
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<yorickpeterse> oh derp, I just deployed a 1.9.3 build while telling our system to run it under brx
<yorickpeterse> * rbx
<yorickpeterse> of course it won't find gems then
<yorickpeterse> also nice to see how at the peak we were processing stuff 7 times faster than before
<yorickpeterse> that is, 4 jobs/sec vs 0.56 (1 job == a whole bunch of reviews, basically an entire company's profile page)
<yorickpeterse> seeing how a lot of these shitty websites are slow as hell that is quite neat
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<Lewix> [Jan,Feb,......] -> to [1,2...12] clean way to do it
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<Lewix> or the other way around
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<havenwood> Lewix: Date::MONTHNAMES
<havenwood> Lewix: require 'date'
<Lewix> havenwood: you dont need to require it
<manveru> you do
<Lewix> wanna bet?
<manveru> by default ruby will only have the C part of Date
<havenwood> Lewix: Sure, hmm, what should we bet? :P
<Lewix> ruby 2.0
<drbrain> you have to require date
<drbrain> otherwise you get the empty "class Date; end" from rubygems
<Mon_Ouie> >> Date::MONTHNAMES
<eval-in> Mon_Ouie => uninitialized constant Date::MONTHNAMES (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/94899)
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<drbrain> because reasons
<manveru> %w[Jan Feb].map{|m| Time.strptime(m, '%b').month }
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<manveru> just make sure you're in some english or C locale
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<manveru> if ruby behaves anything like date(1), that is
<Mon_Ouie> It doesn't, it always uses the English names
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<manveru> boring :(
<Mon_Ouie> Back in 1.8 it did use the locales
<manveru> guess that's where my paranoia comes from then
<manveru> so you can't use strftime for any other locale either?
<Mon_Ouie> Nope, it always outputs in English
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<apeiros> rubys date/time libs are still a bit sad
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<centrx> apeiros, ?
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<ljarvis> very sad
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<porternick> test
<ljarvis> it worked
<porternick> Thanks.
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<apeiros> ljarvis: why'd you lie to him? OO
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<ljarvis> apeiros: i couldn't help it
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<anoob> i have a unix timestamp string ... is it possible to create a datetime object from it?
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