#ruby-lang on 2014-01-08 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-12-31 16:59 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.0-p0; 2.0.0-p353; 1.9.3-p484: http://ruby-lang.org|| Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks

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01:07 <imperator> evenin' folks

01:07 <DevDoo> Evening.

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08:18 <maloik> morning

08:18 <maloik> (:D)

08:18 <pipecloud> Is it though?

08:18 <maloik> it sure is

08:19 <canton7> it is in UGT

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08:31 <yorickpeterse> morning

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12:27 <yorickpeterse> Today's Mongo wtf

12:28 <yorickpeterse> a time of "2013-12-31 23:59:59" seems to be treated as 2014-01-01 00:00:00"

12:28 <yorickpeterse> because that's totally the same

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12:28 <bougyman> what could go wrong?

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12:30 <yorickpeterse> e.g. bugs where it gets data of an extra day and doesn't expect it

12:30 <yorickpeterse> wonderful piece of tech

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12:41 <judofyr> yorickpeterse: it tries to make up for all the time you've lost due to Mongo bugs

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12:51 <yorickpeterse> I've lost more than just 1 second

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13:09 <yorickpeterse> also fun times in store: rotating Mongos

13:09 <yorickpeterse> I need to get myself a proper t-shirt for this

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13:26 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/intridea/grape/blob/master/lib/grape.rb#L23-L96

13:26 <yorickpeterse> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

13:28 <simi> Hello. I have core dump from crashed unicorn and gdb ready. Any idea how to get stacktrace of crash from gdb?

13:29 <yorickpeterse> gdb /path/to/dum # I believe

13:29 <yorickpeterse> then just `bt` or w/e it was

13:29 <yorickpeterse> * dump

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13:31 <simi> yorickpeterse, I'm getting only 5 lines of backtrace :(

13:32 <simi> https://gist.github.com/simi/0542fadbef9a99bff8f5

13:32 <simi> damn

13:33 <yorickpeterse> Hm

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17:01 <crankharder> in a strictly ERB world, how can I save a block of text and print it further down the template? content_for is a rails thing, right?

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17:09 <dostoyevsky> How do I invoke IRB from my ruby code in Ruby 1.9?

17:09 <dostoyevsky> gem ruby-debug is not ready for 1.9 yet...

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17:14 <|jemc|> try pry

17:14 <|jemc|> require 'pry'

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17:14 <dostoyevsky> yeah, doing this right now

17:14 <|jemc|> binding.pry # from the code you want to have an interactive prompt within

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17:32 <dostoyevsky> thx... it'S working.. just a pity that one can't just call IRB itself

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17:36 <darix> dostoyevsky: if you would add a binding.irb function which basically does the same as pry

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17:36 <darix> you can call irb there too

17:36 <darix> just the pry devs added that hook for us

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18:47 <csaunders> require 'pry-debugger' if you want some more useful/debuggy stuff

18:47 <csaunders> sugar or whatever

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19:01 <yorickpeterse> MongoDB: incapable of removing 1M rows without requiring a database repair

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19:02 <ericwood> MongoDB: snapchat for databases

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19:03 <yxhuvud> nah, that is mysql.

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19:14 <ericwood> yourSQL

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19:25 <darix> yorickpeterse: you dont delete in nosql. you just add more nodes to store more. you never know what you can use the data for in the future

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19:26 <r0bgleeson> darix: lol

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19:43 <yorickpeterse> darix: nah, once you hit 100GB you just refactor your data

19:44 <yorickpeterse> or throw it away...oh wait

19:44 <yorickpeterse> db repair still running, ugh

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19:44 <yorickpeterse> fun fact: probably have to run another 2 repairs tomorrow

19:45 <darix> only 100G?

19:45 <darix> seriously

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19:48 <yorickpeterse> didn't you see that Mongo blog post?

19:48 <yorickpeterse> http://blog.mongodb.org/post/62899600960/scaling-advice-from-mongohq

19:48 <yorickpeterse> we have over 250GB, guess that's our problem

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19:56 <r0bgleeson> i think darix's joke was especially funny because almost every nosql database I know of(know de nada about MongoDB) is awesome at distribution of data and scaling by adding more nodes.

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19:57 <yorickpeterse> every database can do that

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19:57 <yorickpeterse> maybe except for sqlite3

19:57 <r0bgleeson> not like, say riak.

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19:57 <r0bgleeson> it's what it does best

19:57 <yorickpeterse> also mongo replication is a pita

19:57 <yorickpeterse> "OH LOL THIS SLAVE IS NOW X SECONDS BEHIND"

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19:59 <darix> yorickpeterse: it is called eventually consistent for a reason. pgsql is just as bad btw.

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20:00 <yorickpeterse> it's rarely an issue for us luckily

20:01 <yorickpeterse> but when it is it's annoying as hell

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20:02 <darix> though you can workaround it now with synchronous streaming replication

20:02 <darix> but that will totally not be a bottleneck

20:02 <yorickpeterse> the consistency part is a minor nuisance compared to all the other nonsense things

20:04 <yorickpeterse> .e.g removing data while going through an index takes *forever*

20:04 <yorickpeterse> though I suspect that's because I already broke the DB by doing that a bunch of times

20:05 <yorickpeterse> but the fact that it can't properly delete data in the first place is a joke in itself

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20:06 <yorickpeterse> or its aggregation framework not being able to do composite sorts (at least the last time I checked), instead it just sorts it twice rendering it useless

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20:07 <yorickpeterse> Some of our performance issues are also due to Mongoid though, so I should give MongoDB some slack in that regard

20:07 <yorickpeterse> at least when mongo runs and you only retrieve data it performs ok

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20:12 <r0bgleeson> is mongomapper dead?

20:12 <r0bgleeson> i think that depended on activesupport

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20:12 <r0bgleeson> great way to make sure id never use it

20:13 <yorickpeterse> don't think I've ever tried

20:13 <yorickpeterse> * it

20:13 <r0bgleeson> just renamed, and still depends on AS: https://rubygems.org/gems/mongo_mapper

20:13 <yorickpeterse> Mongoid also depends on activelol so meh

20:13 <r0bgleeson> activemodel, yeah

20:13 <yorickpeterse> and activesupport

20:13 <r0bgleeson> mongoid doesn't, at least not directly

20:13 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/mongoid/mongoid/blob/master/lib/mongoid.rb#L8-L12

20:13 <yorickpeterse> it does

20:14 <r0bgleeson> uhhh

20:14 <r0bgleeson> require "active_support/core_ext"

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20:14 <r0bgleeson> that monkey patches all the things

20:14 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/mongoid/mongoid/blob/3.1.0-stable/lib/mongoid.rb#L30-L34 3.1 stable

20:14 <r0bgleeson> i was looking here https://rubygems.org/gems/mongoid

20:14 <yorickpeterse> yes and it fucking hijacks to_json

20:14 <yorickpeterse> and does a call to ObjectSpace which takes like 200 ms

20:15 <r0bgleeson> https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext.rb

20:15 <r0bgleeson> it gets better

20:15 <r0bgleeson> https://github.com/rails/rails/tree/master/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext

20:15 <r0bgleeson> how about some https://github.com/37signals/concerning

20:15 <r0bgleeson> all of it is a joke

20:16 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext/class/subclasses.rb#L5-L15

20:16 <yorickpeterse> I spent too much time debugging/profiling this already

20:16 <r0bgleeson> all of that to check for jruby

20:16 <r0bgleeson> i wonder what on earth was wrong with RUBY_ENGINE

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20:17 <yorickpeterse> it calls it twice in some of our apps, adding around 400ms of bootup I believe

20:17 <yorickpeterse> (200 or 400, not sure what it was again)

20:17 <r0bgleeson> it's retarded, i just wish more people realized it

20:17 <yorickpeterse> omakase

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21:01 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: ping

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21:21 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: pong

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21:23 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: regarding parser benchmarks, how should we set them up?

21:23 <yorickpeterse> just some Benchmark thing wouldn't give that much info on its own

21:23 <yorickpeterse> (as in, the Benchmark module)

21:23 <yorickpeterse> I was thinking of using https://github.com/evanphx/benchmark-ips/ but it works best when your benchmark compares things

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21:26 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: I dunno, that was your idea

21:26 <whitequark> never actually did automated benchmarks

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21:27 <yorickpeterse> heh

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21:28 <yorickpeterse> would be nice to be able to benchmark stuff per Git commit but that's an entire project on its own

21:28 <yorickpeterse> hm, actually I could probably hack that in one of those benchmarks

21:29 <yorickpeterse> e.g. run a benchmark on the last 5 commits

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21:31 <yorickpeterse> which reminds me, I really need to set up proper benchmarks for ruby-lint

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21:32 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: there's something in minitest about benchmarking

21:32 <whitequark> also you could run that on travis, of course

21:33 <yorickpeterse> Yes, but then what do you consider as the accepted benchmark time?

21:33 <yorickpeterse> it's pretty hard to say "this file *must* parse in X seconds"

21:33 <yorickpeterse> that's something that would require us to determine what the sane average runtime for each benchmark is

21:34 <whitequark> iirc minitest checks the big-O

21:34 <whitequark> "this must enlarge parse time linearly with linearly increasing input"

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21:34 <yorickpeterse> hm

21:35 <yorickpeterse> I personally would mostly be interested in seeing if a certain claimed performance improvement actually does improve things

21:35 <yorickpeterse> but that would require you to benchmark per Git commit and per Ruby implementation to get decent results

21:35 <whitequark> that's really a hard thing to test automaticlaly

21:35 <yorickpeterse> well, you *can* hook it into travis

21:35 <yorickpeterse> but then you'd have to save the results somewhere

21:35 <whitequark> see, travis runs their boxes on shared servers, you can't reliably measure performance on that setup

21:35 <whitequark> well, you can, if it results in 2x increase

21:35 <whitequark> but not for tiny improvements you'd typically see

21:36 <yorickpeterse> true

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21:38 <r0bgleeson> LOL

21:38 <r0bgleeson> wrote a test to assert an instance of DateTime

21:38 <r0bgleeson> but nope

21:38 <r0bgleeson> it's, ActiveSupport::TimeWithZone

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21:41 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: I'll create an issue for this since there are quite some things we could/should benchmark

21:42 <whitequark> okay

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21:49 <yorickpeterse> "405 Not Allowed"

21:49 <yorickpeterse> thanks Github

21:49 <yorickpeterse> oh derp, unicorns down

21:49 <r0bgleeson> its down for push/pull

21:49 <r0bgleeson> just as i finish it happens

21:49 <yorickpeterse> at least I copy-pasted my issue body

21:50 <r0bgleeson> finished a feature i mean

21:51 <r0bgleeson> wow whatever going on it's a pretty epic failure

21:51 <r0bgleeson> everything is down

21:51 <r0bgleeson> ssh, gist, website

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21:53 <r0bgleeson> ah well

21:53 <r0bgleeson> moments like this are what kit kats and tea are made for!

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21:53 <yorickpeterse> you're only supposed to drink tea when Github is down?

21:53 <yorickpeterse> shit

21:54 <r0bgleeson> what else would u do :P

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22:10 <crankharder> i'm building out a new gem and need a way for end users to configure it -- isn't there some generic module I can use that gives me the ability to set/read configuration options including default vals, etc??

22:10 <yorickpeterse> lolol using Google cache to visit Github

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22:40 <yorickpeterse> heh neat, with caches ruby-lint can analyze itself in 17 seconds

22:40 <yorickpeterse> that's not too bad

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22:49 <ljarvis> hm

22:51 <yorickpeterse> faster than most Rails test suites :D

22:52 <yorickpeterse> and the bootup is better too, don't even need Zeus for it!

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22:55 <yorickpeterse> Hm, I wonder if there's a way to run rspec tests in parallel

22:56 <yorickpeterse> clear

22:56 <yorickpeterse> fuck

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23:07 <ljarvis> :|

23:08 <crankharder> is there some modern replacement for class_inheritable_attribute ?

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23:18 <ljarvis> well that's rails only

23:18 <ljarvis> but you can just use class_attribute

23:18 <darix> moin ljarvis

23:19 <ljarvis> hello

23:19 <ljarvis> * tips fedora

23:21 <darix> * tips opensuse

23:21 <darix> :p

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23:50 <RobertBirnie> i'm trying to build an hash of arrays, but unsure how to initialize the array for new keys. i got it working with a ternary but it seems less than ideal

23:50 <RobertBirnie> out["#{row[0]}"] == nil ? out["#{row[0]}"] = [ row[1] ] : out["#{row[0]}"] << row[1]

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23:51 <RobertBirnie> a little better: out[row[0]] == nil ? out[row[0]] = [ row[1] ] : out[row[0]] << row[1]

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23:53 <drbrain> RobertBirnie: hash = Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = [] }

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23:56 <RobertBirnie> drbrain: the row[] variable is the result of a sql query, i don't know what my key's will be till after so hard to create them when i create the hash

23:57 <drbrain> RobertBirnie: that doesn't matter

23:57 <drbrain> RobertBirnie: the default proc above creates a new array for each key you reference if it doesn't already have a value

23:57 <RobertBirnie> hmm ok, let me try it out then

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23:59 <RobertBirnie> drbrain: worked great, thanks! i'll save that into my notes for next time i need it