apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.0-p0; 2.0.0-p353; 1.9.3-p484: http://ruby-lang.org|| Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<r0bgleeson> they have my eyeballs
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<apeiros> poor blind r0bgleeson
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<r0bgleeson> apeiros: i went to specsavers.
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<zenspider> I need UTF help. "\u{3024}" is supposed to be what? this? http://codepoints.net/U+3024
<zenspider> as in... it is a decimal number in the braces?
<zenspider> because [3024].pack("U") is NOT that character
<zenspider> I'm wondering if I'm supposed to be unpacking octal or something
<whitequark> \u is hex
<zenspider> oh thank god. I thought I was losing my mind
<whitequark> >> "\u{3024}" == [0x3024].pack("U")
<eval-in> whitequark => true (https://eval.in/85125)
<whitequark> zenspider: note that
<whitequark> \u behavior is rather evil
<whitequark> with how it handles syntax errors
<zenspider> how so?
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<whitequark> I've carefully tuned that state machine to exactly match MRI's behavior
<zenspider> wtf?
<whitequark> for example:
<whitequark> >> "\u{123456}"
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-a9fce064c176/source-a9fce064c176:2: invalid Unicode codepoint (too large) ... (https://eval.in/85126)
<whitequark> >> "\u{1234567}"
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-b96e26b3e57c/source-b96e26b3e57c:2: invalid Unicode codepoint (too large) ... (https://eval.in/85127)
<whitequark> hrm
<whitequark> >> "\u{12345678}"
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-3e9521ee008b/source-3e9521ee008b:2: invalid Unicode codepoint (too large) ... (https://eval.in/85128)
<whitequark> the fuck
<whitequark> 19>> "\u{12345678}"
<eval-in> whitequark => /tmp/execpad-ffb6cb953409/source-ffb6cb953409:2: invalid Unicode codepoint (too large) ... (https://eval.in/85129)
* whitequark scratches his head
<zenspider> the extensions for unicode code points that high is 2.1
<zenspider> not 2.0
<zenspider> I already hit that :)
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<zenspider> 1.9 goes up to 10ffff iirc
<zenspider> wait... I'm only really checking 1.8 vs others... and I know that 2.1 has some tweaks for codepoint sizes
<whitequark> yep, and unicode in general goes up to 10ffff
<zenspider> but anyhow... blah blah utf blah
<zenspider> ugh
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<whitequark> https://eval.in/85130 ← 2.1
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<whitequark> okay, nevermind it then
<whitequark> just make sure \u handles both ' ' and '\t' as separators
<whitequark> but not other space symbols, somehow!
<zenspider> hah
<whitequark> oh and there was an incredibly obscure \r-related change in 2.1, not sure if you caught it
<zenspider> no. I've been on mental vacation for at least a month :)
<zenspider> month and a half really
<whitequark> the tests should explain it nicely
<zenspider> huh.
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<whitequark> actually I can give you all the relevant commits from 2.1 if you want
<whitequark> I've them in a file somewhere
<zenspider> eh. overkill for me at this point. I just want to get 2.0 solid and catch up on my backlog
<zenspider> I really haven't done anything but scheme in the last month
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<whitequark> how's scheme?
<zenspider> thanks tho. maybe later
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<zenspider> maddening... really nice language (I'm torn between chicken and racket) with some maddening shit
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<zenspider> which I _think_ is cultural, but I'm not sure
<whitequark> it's somewhat oversimplified due to it being an educational language initially
<whitequark> (implementation) racket really has a nice ecosystem around it. iirc it's quite not the case for scheme
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<zenspider> chicken is pretty kick ass
<zenspider> it's what tenderlove has decided on
<zenspider> I'm about out of battery. lappy gonna die
<whitequark> o/
<whitequark> I wonder what tenderlove uses scheme for
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<zenspider> anything he can... currently writing a magic card classifier
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<zenspider> we did SICP together w/ thagomizer and enjoyed chicken a lot
<zenspider> it's a practical scheme. pretty damn fast too
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<whitequark> ah, so nothing practical yet
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<zenspider> no. I think he also does all his embedded work for his sausage box using it too
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<whitequark> sausage box?
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<zenspider> yup
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<MartynKeigher> hey all... have a Q regarding the mysql2 gem. instead of writing the mysql connection string (ip, name, pass) in every rb file on a dash, how can i have ONE CENTRAL "odbc connection file" and let my RB jobs (that contain the sql query) see that file, in order to get the sql data to display.
<darix> MartynKeigher: sure
<MartynKeigher> hey!
<MartynKeigher> evening! :)
<darix> just add some code that reads the stuff from the format of your choice
<MartynKeigher> so right now i have this...
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<MartynKeigher> so i created a file (in same folder as my rb jobs) called mysql.ini and also tried mysql.php and marked them as the requirement (instead of the mysql2 gem) but no dice.
<darix> so add some code which reads from a yaml file e.g.
<MartynKeigher> im kinda new at this... but i do know the yaml that you speak of.
<MartynKeigher> looking in there now
<darix> you will still need the mysql2 gem
<MartynKeigher> right
<MartynKeigher> OH..i will CREATE a yaml file?
<MartynKeigher> k.. let me see what the current one looks like. sorry i misread what you put before lol
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<MartynKeigher> i have the mysql2 gem bundled and it does work
<MartynKeigher> just want to centralize the "odbc bit"
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<charliesome> headius: ping
<MartynKeigher> so how should my odbc connection file look ?
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<MartynKeigher> are there examples anywhwere out there?
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<MartynKeigher> any suggestions please?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<maloik_> yay, arrrrcamp videos mentioned in ruby weekly
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<ljarvis> moin
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<charliesome> >> RUBY_DESCRIPTION
<eval-in> charliesome => "ruby 2.1.0p0 (2013-12-25 revision 44422) [i686-linux]" (https://eval.in/85198)
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<ljarvis> \o/
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<yorickpeterse> ugh fucking EC2 is killing me
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<apeiros> ugh irc bickering is killing me
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<yorickpeterse> ugh apeiros is killing me
<maloik_> stop your bickering apeiros
<maloik_> :D
<yorickpeterse> (murderer)
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<maloik_> time for weekend :(
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<csaunders> &= is bitwise right and &&= is logical assignment?
<csaunders> bitwise assignment*
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<|jemc|> correct, & is bitwise (sort of) and && is logical 'and'
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<|jemc|> I say & is 'sort of' bitwise, because it also performs other operations that are analogous to bitwise operations
<apeiros> csaunders: a <op>= b is generally a = a <op> b
<|jemc|> one notable and useful one being on arrays
<apeiros> csaunders: so &='s behavior depends entirely on a
<|jemc|> >> a = [1,2,3]; a &= [3,2,4]
<eval-in> |jemc| => [2, 3] (https://eval.in/85545)
<csaunders> yeah
<apeiros> since a &= b --> a = a & b
<csaunders> futzed around in the repl a bit
<apeiros> also note that &&= and ||= are special cased, they expand to a && a = b
<csaunders> since I'm working with booleans it really doesn't matter, but I'll stick with &&
<csaunders> ah
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<|jemc|> yeah, so if b is a method with side effects, it is never executed unless a is truthy
<|jemc|> with &&=
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<|jemc|> due to the special case expansion that apeiros noted
<pipecloud> TIL &&=
<Mon_Ouie> And even that expansion is not entirely true (if a is not defined yet, a &&= x doesn't cause an error, a && a = x will)
<|jemc|> that's an interesting part I didn't know
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<|jemc|> wait, that still is true for a && a = b, right?
<|jemc|> >> x && x = [5]
<eval-in> |jemc| => undefined local variable or method `x' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/85552)
<|jemc|> heh, never mind then
<|jemc|> >> x &&= [5]
<Mon_Ouie> Don't know why it isn't responding, but it outputs nil: https://eval.in/85553
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<Rodrigo5244> May I ask questions about the Ruby language here?
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<havenwood> Rodrigo5244: Yes, of course. :)
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<Rodrigo5244> I think that somebody else have asked that before, but I could not find a good answer on Google. Why Ruby does not have the increment operator ++?
<yorickpeterse> not sure, it does have += though
<yorickpeterse> I'd say "Because numbers are immutable and that would modify it directly" but this is, from what I know, true for other languages as well
<wmoxam> Rodrigo5244: Self cannot be a target of assignment
<apeiros> Rodrigo5244: hell no, this is about gemstomes. wtf…
<apeiros> j/k ;-)
<apeiros> oh, wrong channel to pull that one actually, damn :(
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<yorickpeterse> THIS CHANNEL IS NOW ABOUT..CATS!
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<apeiros> no, count yorick, it is not.
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<Rodrigo5244> I read that page before. It looks like that is a reason why you can't write a method to do that, but maybe even without being able to write a method you could have that in the language.
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<wmoxam> Rodrigo5244: well the other reason is the author didn't want to support it
<apeiros> Rodrigo5244: you could have ruby perform a transformation of a++ to a = a.succ or similar. they chose not to. end of story.
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: count *von* Yorick, get it right
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<apeiros> only 'von'? not 'von und zu'?
<apeiros> tssssk…
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<csaunders> I'd be down for the channel being about cats
<apeiros> csaunders: found one
<apeiros> or actually… there probably already is one
<csaunders> this channel
<csaunders> not the channel
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<jalcine> let's keep it ruby, okthx
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<csaunders> the cat
<jalcine> the gem
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<yorickpeterse> csaunders: http://cat.yorickpeterse.com here's a website about a cat
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* yorickpeterse has an IRC bot for that too
<yorickpeterse> it comes with a Catom Feed
<yorickpeterse> *rimshot*
<|jemc|> heh, "cat breading"
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<yorickpeterse> he hated me for it
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<yorickpeterse> http://cat.yorickpeterse.com/images/Photo_on_2011-04-27_at_21.55.jpg this one is still one of my favourites
<yorickpeterse> and man I miss that wooden floor :<
<yorickpeterse> http://cat.yorickpeterse.com/images/2013-08-21.jpg and there's this one
<yorickpeterse> and yes, I do fit the stereotype
<yorickpeterse> no fucks given
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<havenwood> I need to setup a github account for my cat at once.
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: the stereotype? you're a crazy old cat lady?
<havenwood> We pair program Ruby enough and I take all the credit...
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: yes
<apeiros> :D
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<|jemc|> the cat's name?
<apeiros> through a friend I discovered that that title exists in WoW (crazy cat lady)
<yorickpeterse> |jemc|: "mouse"
<yorickpeterse> Animal shelter named him that way
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<Rodrigo5244> I had to leave the room for some time. Sorry. I know that smalltalk does not have it either. I was wondering if that has something to do with object orientation. Also one reason that comes to mind to not have it is the difference between ++x and x++ that is confusing to some.
<|jemc|> yorickpeterse: you kept the name from the shelter? and you call yourself a cat lady... pff.
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<csaunders> we kept our cat shelter names for our cats too
<|jemc|> but naming your cat is half the fun!
<csaunders> I am terrible at naming things, it's probably for the better
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<yorickpeterse> |jemc|: yeah, it's his legal name
<yorickpeterse> I usually just call him "cat" though
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<|jemc|> ah, cats have legal names in Dutchland?
<|jemc|> I don't think that's true of here in the US
<|jemc|> but I could be ill-informed
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<yorickpeterse> he has a passport
<yorickpeterse> and is chipped
<|jemc|> a passport? interesting indeed
<csaunders> that's intense
<yorickpeterse> yeah, we have cat passports
<csaunders> I think you need an equivalent to import pets across the Canada / US border
<bougyman> seriously?
<csaunders> might just be vaccination records though
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<yorickpeterse> cats and dogs are required to be registered here
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<csaunders> Apparently they are in Toronto, nobody cares though. It's one of those laws that aren't really enforced.
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<eam> what's the ruby way to select multiple values from an array, along the lines of a perl array slice aka @foo[1,4,7]
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<eam> that is, take multiple keys/indicies and return an Array of the matching values
<onewheelskyward> Pretty sure you can foo[1,4,7]
<onewheelskyward> oh that's a range
<eam> foo[1,4] appears to define a range, and more args raises ArgumentError
<serroft> values_at(1,4,7)
<serroft> foo.values_at(1,4,7)
<eam> serroft: ah perfect, thanks
<onewheelskyward> nice. And you can still have ranges. http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.0/Array.html#method-i-values_at
<headius> charliesome: here now
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* whitequark recalls charliesome asking something yesterday. that's one hell of RTT :p
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<darix> whitequark: as long the protocol didnt lose the packet.
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