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<rqou> hmm, my second ixgbe card can't even take the firmware from my first card
<rqou> even though their flash roms are supposed to be the same size
<rqou> thanks intel market segmentation
<rqou> one has fcoe+iscsi on the flash but can't be updated to latest
<rqou> the other only has uefi and pxe and can't take iscsi+fcoe but can be updated to latest
<rqou> also, updating the option rom didn't change my tpm PCRs, so...
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<rqou> wow asrock's secure boot seems very buggy
<lain> >wow a motherboard manufacturer can't code
<lain> :P
<lain> well ok, chances are they farmed that shit out
<lain> to a bios maker
<rqou> although efitools isn't in much better shape
<lain> .. who can't code
<rqou> the top of master on the efitools git is fixing a bug where signatures cannot be created in january
<lain> ...
<lain> yeah we're doomed
<rqou> although compiling the latest master doesn't work either
<rqou> whatever, secure boot is enabled
<rqou> and my PK is enrolled, although it is refusing to add my KEK key
<rqou> i don't want to have to pull out a graphics card to mess with this system interactively
<rqou> so f*ck it
<rqou> :P
<rqou> although removing the PK isn't working either, which is a bit concerning
<lain> kek.
<rqou> lain: will your motherboard have actually f*cking working secure boot and/or tpm?
<lain> hm
<lain> secure boot will work yes, I wasn't planning on adding a discrete tpm but I'm pretty sure the soc has firmware tpm in the Intel ME
<rqou> and you trust that? :P
<lain> no more or less than I trust a closed-source, unaudited discrete tpm...
<rqou> true enough
<lain> I mean, I think it would be silly to assume intel are somehow malevolent, so that just leaves incompetence, which... sure maybe, but that applies everywhere
<lain> and so far nobody has actually broken ME, so...
<rqou> right now I'm trying to set up my NAS to have secure boot, unlock the boot volume with a TPM-sealed key, and unlock the storage volume with an external smartcard
<rqou> unfortunately apparently zero parts of this have ever been tested
<rqou> by anyone other than @mjg59 or something
<rqou> secure boot barely works beyond "platform enablement" (thanks Canonical)
<rqou> TPMs basically don't work ever
<rqou> and same with smartcards
<lain> lol
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* lain kicks back, boots windows securely, yawns
<lain> ;)
<rqou> well f*cj
<rqou> f*ck
<rqou> Variable KEK, length -4
<rqou> at least i found one problem
<rqou> some genius decided the kernel efivars should set the immutable bit on the secure boot variables
<rqou> and didn't tell the efitools guy
<rqou> hmm, apparently that's a red herring
<rqou> but it causes stat to now return a file of 0 bytes even though when reading there are more than 0 bytes
<rqou> woot, bugs all around!
<lain> yaay
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<rqou> "Unfortunately, this command has never worked for me; efi-updatevar reports Cannot write to db, wrong filesystem permissions, even when run as root. More disturbingly, immediately thereafter efi-readvar reports that the database is empty (although a reboot fixes that problem). Perhaps this bug will be fixed by the time you read this, though."
<rqou> thanks
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<lain> lol
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<rqou> blargh, i'm ordering another crappy gpu so i can debug this more easily
<rqou> i don't want to have to keep pulling the gpu from my current machine
<rqou> i'm also going to need to have fun poking the FDE setup
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<rqou> just got about five breaker trips in the last 10 minutes
<lain> rip
<rqou> i assume jamming the breaker is a bad idea? :P
<lain> depends how much you enjoy the insurance company denying your claim
<rqou> lol what insurance? :P
<lain> D:
<lain> man, get insurance if you don't. theft can happen to anybody
<lain> it's happened to me, and to a friend I was staying with once (separate incidents in different states)
<lain> friend had insurance, got compensated
<lain> I didn't, I lost a lot of stuff
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<rqou> my parents have liability insurance ("someone trips on your property and then sues you" insurance) but very little theft/disaster/etc. insurance
<rqou> apparently they feel that the "damages your own property" risk isn't actually that high
<lain> :/
<rqou> most of those policies are afaik not very good anyways (high deductible and/or low limits)
<lain> depends
<lain> we have a pretty solid one
<lain> I also have an all-risk floater on ours, where I pay a small fee to protect itemized valuables
<lain> specifically, I think I pay like $1.20 per $100 value for insuring my camera equipment
<lain> I have over $10k in camera equipment so that's pretty valuable -- the all-risk thing means it covers ANY risk, named or not
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<lain> as in, space pirates can land in my back yard and steal all my shit, and the insurance company still pays replacement value :P
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<rqou> until you actually try to claim it :P
<rqou> do you do photography? why so much equipment?
<lain> we've had some claims over the years and they've never denied any or caused any problems tbh
<lain> and.. photography is one of those hobbies where it doesn't take much to rack up a serious bill lol
<rqou> lol true
<lain> I do enjoy it though ^
* rqou is sitting here with a canon t2i and a kit lens
<lain> hehe
<lain> gotta start somewhere
<lain> also getting into video, slowly -> https://youtu.be/ete99X6wyAE
<rqou> is that your cat?
<rqou> jealous :P
<lain> haha nah, that's the neighbor's cat
<lain> he always hangs around, so I use him as a test subject for photo/video :P
<rqou> lol nice
<lain> looking forward to getting my own place so I can have cats again :3
<lain> mom's allergic so we can't have any here
<rqou> the persistent joke around here is "we can't even keep a cactus alive and you want a cat?" :P
<rqou> also cats aren't allowed in our apartment
<lain> haha
<rqou> the cactus story is actually pretty hilarious/fail all around
<rqou> one summer after we had a huge clusterf*ck of subletters, we were cleaning up and discovered a small potted cactus
<rqou> nobody knew who bought it, so we assumed one of the subletters did and left it here
<rqou> after ~1 semester we were cleaning the apartment again
<lain> taken with a rokinon 8mm fisheye, modified for close focus.. the dirty blade of grass-stuff smack in the middle of that image is actually touching the lens
<rqou> and one of us noticed that the cactus was missing
<lain> lool
<rqou> however despite all the cleaning we never found it
<rqou> so we don't actually know if it's dead or not :P
<lain> XD
<lain> simple procedure, just removing a focus stop
<rqou> so here's some photos i just took: https://goo.gl/photos/68b1d3QnHSReaLE36
<rqou> maybe this will explain how much of a clusterf*ck this place is :P
<rqou> shot with my nexus 6p
<rqou> we have a not-yet-fully-set-up retro games area
<rqou> really awesome cable routing
<lain> hehehe
<rqou> an "obtained" foam sign
<lain> oh hey that vacuum looks familiar
<rqou> and a "telecom closet"
<rqou> one of the housemates bought that vacuum because the previous one sucked (didn't suck?)
<lain> obtained signs are the best signs
<lain> I wonder what ever happened to my street signs
<lain> I had like two or three street signs in my old apartment, I dunno where they went when I moved
<lain> maybe they're in the attic here
<rqou> btw you should look closely at the "cable routing" photo
<rqou> notice the power strip :P
<rqou> it's my fault for not buying a long enough extension cord :P
<lain> lool
<rqou> also, it's the green plug visible in the "telecom closet" photo
<rqou> so you have device --> power strip (dangling) --> extension cord --> power strip --> extension cord --> UPS --> power strip --> cheater plug
<rqou> also almost none of the cable runs are labeled
<whitequark> rqou: wow that is some seriously shitty wiring
<whitequark> do they not sell cable channels where you are
<rqou> how do you propose to attach them to the wall?
<rqou> since we're renting we need to (more or less) not drill into the walls
<rqou> so that's why it's all held on with adhesive pads
<lain> (rip paint)
<rqou> yeah, there's a bunch of f*cked up paint everywhere
<rqou> we'll probably paint over it when we move out
<rqou> it's not as bad as when one of the housemates tried to tape a htc vive lighthouse to the wall
<rqou> ripped a nice crater shape in the paint
<rqou> so far though more paint got messed up via gorilla tape than via adhesive pads
<lain> :3
<rqou> wow nice
<lain> thanks :D
<lain> I have a lot of dragonfly shots, but man.. they take forever lol
<lain> those little guys are so fast D:
<rqou> whitequark, lain: i take it you might have strong opinions about this cable routing? https://goo.gl/photos/jXUQsgxzACcMkejq6
<rqou> it's used to get power into the "lab closet"
<lain> yikes
<lain> "not up to code" would be an understatement
<rqou> not appreciably worse than knob and tube :P
<rqou> oh and the green wire goes all the way downstairs btw
<whitequark> rqou: I'd like to call OSHA
<rqou> osha only cares about businesses
<whitequark> are you *absolutely sure* this isn't ex-USSR in early 90s
<whitequark> because it looks utterly indistinguishable
<rqou> what about the plug type?
<rqou> also, that hole was there before
<rqou> it's used to power a single light bulb in the closet
<rqou> i just added another set of wires to it :P
<whitequark> if you squint you could find plugs that looks much the same
<whitequark> well, ok, one difference
<whitequark> USSR never printed anything on the cable insulation
<rqou> lol
<lain> ok ok I'm done with the self-promotion :P
<whitequark> lain: not bad
<lain> whitequark: thanks
<rqou> whitequark: is the wallpaper similar too? :P
<whitequark> rqou: thats what promtped me actually
<whitequark> wallpaper and especially wallpaper being placed over the socket case
<rqou> yeah this wallpaper is ancient
<whitequark> this ghetto shit is extremely late USSR
<whitequark> see also: wallpaper placed on the ceiling, rusty colored water damage on walls, carpets on walls
<rqou> carpets on walls? wtf
<rqou> why?
<whitequark> I'm actually not sure exactly but it's a trope
<whitequark> my grandmother's house had a bunch of them
<whitequark> this is too tidy, but communicates the idea
<rqou> oh that doesn't look as bad as i imagined
<whitequark> this is more like reality
<rqou> but it's still not a plain brown/beige carpet like is common on the floors here
<rqou> at least they attempted to put a pattern on it
<whitequark> no, not plain carpets. never plain carpets
<lain> plain carpet would show stains too well
<lain> complex patterns hide small stains better
<rqou> yeah, really useful on bathroom tiles :P
<lain> and/or it's just a thing
<lain> lol
<lain> god one time I busted my nose over a friend's freshly-cleaned white carpets
<lain> like they JUST had the carpet cleaners over the day before
<rqou> whitequark: interestingly, the US electrical code has continuously increased the mandatory minimum number of outlets in a house
<lain> busted my nose, blood EVERYWHERE
<rqou> to discourage the need for stupid janky extension cord hacks
<lain> that was fun to clean
<rqou> however, there is no requirement to bring "legacy" installations up to the new code
* lain -> slp
<rqou> wow, that's early :P
<lain> I'm old now, it's time for my nap :P
<rqou> btw whitequark idk if you saw this earlier but i discovered that connecting/disconnecting the coaxial cable from the cable modem will trip the gfci i put in
<rqou> which means there are some weird potential differences going on
<rqou> which is totally how it should work, right? :P
<lain> a friend once blew a graphics card by plugging in a displayport cable. we don't know how it happened, and it wasn't repeatable. he plugged it in, there was a big spark, something popped, gpu was kill. got new gpu, cautiously plug same monitor, same cable in, no issue.
<whitequark> rqou: uhm, yeah, ground loo
<whitequark> loop
<lain> in between, the suspect monitor/cable combo was tested on lots of other things, but no damage resulted :P
<rqou> the cable modem doesn't have an earth ground connection
<lain> rqou: wait then how does it trip gfci
<rqou> idk, but it did
<lain> well
<whitequark> rqou: is it connected via usb to something
<rqou> it's not consistently repeatable
<lain> that's terrifying :P
<rqou> no, only cable and ethernet
<whitequark> ... hm
<rqou> or wait
<rqou> maybe?
<whitequark> how is ethernet terminated at its end
<whitequark> if usb, then those idiots connected the shields
<lain> ethernet should be galvanically isolated
<lain> unless it's shielded cable
<rqou> it's sharing a UPS with a PC and a bunch of other crap
<whitequark> lain: should.
<rqou> but this whole setup is on a gfci but without earth ground
<lain> oh, are you doing that trick of attaching neutral to the ground pin of the socket?
<rqou> no
<rqou> ground is floating, but gfcis still work that way
<lain> wat
<lain> gfci can only fault on ground current, and you can't have current if it's floating??
<rqou> gfcis detect imbalances in hot/neutral
<whitequark> gfcis compare the current flowing in L/N
<lain> oh shit right
<lain> yeah, sleep time.
<rqou> so somehow some current got pulled from / injected into the power wires via the cable
<lain> guessing what you saw then was static charge on the cable discharging through the modem
<rqou> possible
<rqou> eh, everything works fine when you leave it connected, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<lain> I've heard about installations where they stapled the coax to the wall, and decided to staple the AC wiring with the same staple...
<lain> ... and wound up making the staple live
<lain> ... and did it so hard it punctured the cable shield, so the cable shield became live also
<rqou> lool
<lain> yeah plugging that in
<lain> lots of sparks
<lain> possibly blown tv / etc
<rqou> yeah the cable here isn't even embedded in the walls
<rqou> it's attached via more-permanent clips along the walls just like the jank wiring
<rqou> amazingly it's actually RG6
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<nats`> playing with icestudio to implement my WS2812 controller but the way it stores code is pretty frightening :D
<pie_> lain, oh god
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<whitequark> which is?
<nats`> I'm not fan when you start making big module it becomes hard to know what happens
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<pie_> next time all you see is rom...think again!
<pie_> all the luts
<pie_> kek
<pie_> also i bet that was already posted in here and im a repostr
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