<hololeap>
zenspider: but doesn't a Pathname always have a String at its heart? to me that means that having to_str would make sense. correct me if i'm wrong
<hololeap>
and btw, i'm not trying to argue about this, just expand my understanding ;)
<IceDragon>
I wonder if URI defines a to_str
<IceDragon>
no, no it doesn't, sad >:
<zenspider>
having a string and being a string (or string-like thing) are two different things
<zenspider>
hololeap: is this your actual usecase? `pathname.find.grep(/.mp3$/i)`, if so, why? what are you trying to do at the top-level?
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<hololeap>
zenspider: isn't it obvious? i'm trying to get all the paths that end with .mp3 . i use ruby for a lot of computer administration stuff at home
<zenspider>
hololeap: isn't it obvious that it isn't obvious? otherwise, why would I ask?
<zenspider>
pathname.find w/o a block?
<zenspider>
grepping on top of that?
<IceDragon>
hololeap: Why not use Dir.glob("*.mp3") ?
<zenspider>
none of it is obvious
<zenspider>
Dir.glob or Pathname.glob is obvious
<IceDragon>
if you need it recursively
<IceDragon>
hololeap: Dir.glob("**/*.mp3")
<zenspider>
or Find.find
<zenspider>
tho I only use that for more complex criteria
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<rgb-one>
Does CPU architecture matter for web development?
<zenspider>
rgb-one: generic answer for a generic question: no. yes. maybe. depends.
<IceDragon>
I wonder if I could spin up a web server on a 8 bit cpu...
<zenspider>
really depends on what you're trying to do
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<zenspider>
it'd be funny watching it trying to resolve an IP one byte at a time
<rgb-one>
with regards to the two most used architectures, ie. 32-bit and 64 bit
<hololeap>
thanks guys, but i wasn't looking for coding help. i was just curious as to what the reasoning was behind some of the design decisions in ruby. but i think i get it now, so thanks...
<zenspider>
wow
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<IceDragon>
rgb-one: Recommended 64bit, you can still chug 32bit, if thats your game, but with 64 you should be able to run docker and all those lovely container things they have now
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<willharrison>
does ruby have a built in documentation tool?
<hololeap>
willharrison: ri and rdoc
<rgb-one>
ri I think
<willharrison>
ok thanks
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<rgb-one>
you can run ri <ClassName.method> on the terminal eg. `ri Array.new`
<hololeap>
willharrison: personally, i prefer YARD which you can install with `gem install yard`. it lets you set up a http daemon which serves the docs through your browser
<willharrison>
hololeap hm, I will check that out also, thanks
<hololeap>
willharrison: np
<rgb-one>
What tool do you guys reccomend for API documentation?
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<rgb-one>
I know of YARD and slate, any others?
<rgb-one>
generating API documentation*
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<hololeap>
so whenever you call "obj.method", its actually calling #method on the object's singleton class. is this correct?
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<zenspider>
no
<zenspider>
it's calling it on whomever responds to it. all the way up the ancestors path
<zenspider>
rgb-one: rdoc
<rgb-one>
zenspider: I know of that as well
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<hololeap>
zenspider: ok, good point. but in a normal method definition (class Foo; def bar; true; end; end), (foo = Foo.new).bar is being responded to by foo's singleton class?
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<zenspider>
no, just its class
<zenspider>
def foo.blah; ...; end would be tho
<hololeap>
zenspider: ok
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<hololeap>
are class methods stored in the class object's singleton class?
<zenspider>
"If you are interested in Celluloid based IO framework, please check out Celluloid::IO" from your page. seems straightforward to me
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<ebonics>
o
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<zenspider>
any Fiddle gurus in here?
<zenspider>
or DL I guess... tho that's less useful
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<orion>
Hi. Is there a way for a class's initialize method to replace a method with a null function?
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<orion>
I wrote a module which has a specific API it needs to adhere to, but under certain circumstances I just want to remove all the logic from the module and make it do nothing.
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<zenspider>
orion: why would you do that in initalize?
<zenspider>
initialize even... argh my fingers aren't working today
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<zenspider>
I love it when ppl ask questions w/ absolutely no intention of getting an answer. always a quality use of time
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<orion>
zenspider: The question is no longer relevant.
<orion>
I just added a "return nil if @blah"
<orion>
to the top of the methods I want to be non-functional
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<vikaton>
>> 1 < 2 < 3
<ruboto>
vikaton # => undefined method `<' for true:TrueClass (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/342890)
<vikaton>
awe :[
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<ChasedSpade>
Does anybody know of a method to convert a hexadecimal string into an IP Address? The IPAddr and IPAddress gems only go from IP address to hexadecimal.
<wasamasa>
I like how the output shows a line not present in the input data on that gist
<arup_r>
Yes.. I got it,, Asking any trivial way to get rid on this.. Because I have no control to the raw file, I'll download and parse and import ... that's it..
<arup_r>
wasamasa: Its a huge file.. I gave a little of it.. to show the data arangement
<wasamasa>
arup_r: it would have been more useful to give us the erroneous snippet of that file instead
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<wasamasa>
arup_r: debugging is science, you can learn it
<wasamasa>
arup_r: if you wish us to help you, help us first by providing as useful data upfront as possible
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<arup_r>
sure
<arup_r>
this is the line --- from where error is coming --
<arup_r>
386953513Conjunto Baraja De ORODos Ojas Sin RumboLa "M" DiscosUSQY51069562TRACK_USQY51069562_735885789923735885789923_TRACK_USQY51069562_735885789923
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<sleeper>
I'm in the preliminary stages of writing a web application and I'm assessing the viability of Rack. Are there any gurus who could tell me about the service bottlenecks of a Rack process?
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<arup_r>
La "M" Discos is the culprit... wasamasa :
<wasamasa>
arup_r: try using a different quote char when reading it in then
<wasamasa>
which is exactly what I've been telling you
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<wasamasa>
use something not present in your data
<arup_r>
wasamasa: \o/
<arup_r>
`|` worked
<arup_r>
Let me give him a vote.. and you also +1
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<arup_r>
apeiros: sorry for not being clear to you.. I respect you guys a lot.. :(
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<shevy>
wow
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<shevy>
stackoverflow asks me whether I am a human or a robot
<shevy>
and that I should not take this personally
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<shevy>
"Are you a human being?"
<shevy>
"We apologize for the confusion, but we can't quite tell if you're a person or a script."
<shevy>
:(
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<arup_r>
shevy: they ask sometime...
<shevy>
and now I have to solve an image captcha
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<shevy>
I need to identify which pixel is an ice cream, from a list of many images that are like 32x32 pixel
<arup_r>
I faced it also when I was having slow internet and frequent answering
<shevy>
my eyes are not so good, I may have to guess
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<arup_r>
hehe
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<shevy>
uh strange
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<shevy>
I closed the window
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<shevy>
clicked on "reply" again
<shevy>
and suddenly I was not asked
<shevy>
without solving the captcha
<arup_r>
I know... you are clever than them :p
<shevy>
arup_r I think you are right, it may possibly have to do with connection-problems. perhaps my router reset in-between
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<arup_r>
humm...
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<AirStar>
hey, i want learn ruby. but how can i do?
<arup_r>
reading book.... Davis A. Black book is best for me
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<shevy>
AirStar you need to write ruby code as much as possible; start with something simple. simple tasks. create directories, create files, read into files; then proceed to read remote webpages and save locally (open-uri part of ruby) etc...
<arup_r>
or this syntax --- task task_name, arguments => dependencies
<arup_r>
so :developement is a argument..
<arup_r>
Might be I am missing something...
<jhass>
no, developement (sic!, it's development btw) is the value of the argument environment
<arup_r>
Oh..
<arup_r>
let me try
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<jhass>
not sure what there is to try
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<arup_r>
nah didn't worked
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<arup_r>
I was trying with development as default value
<jhass>
you still seem to heavily conflate arguments, the value of an argument and dependencies
<arup_r>
I had.. :) now with my current example I am confident...
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<jhass>
specifying an argument allows you to access the passed value under said name, nothing more
<jhass>
:environment -> args[:environment]
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<jhass>
task :foo, :environment do p args[:environment]; end; rake foo[1] -> "1", rake foo[hey] -> "hey"
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<jhass>
it does not affect the dependencies in any way
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<arup_r>
humm..
<jhass>
task :foo [:environment] => :environment, the two :environment mean different things here, the first defines an argument with the name environment, the second declares the task foo to be dependent on the task environment
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<arup_r>
Yes.. But I do have task :foo, [:environment] => :other_task...
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<jhass>
which just creates a directory if it doesn't exist and nothing else
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<arup_r>
Yes.. But the argument :environment has to have value :developement/test/production ... otherwise Rails application will not be loaded.. which will cause the error like I am getting
<jhass>
where did you read that?
<jhass>
how does rails read the argument?
<arup_r>
that's why `bin/rake "ftp:download[:developement]"` worked well
<arup_r>
because I was passing the value of the environment
<arup_r>
jhass: I read from Rails console trial and error
<arup_r>
"If your need to interact with your application models, perform database queries and so on, your task should depend on the environment task, which will load your application code."
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<jhass>
yes
<jhass>
where in that sentence does it say anything about arguments?
<arup_r>
Ahh! something what you said.. then why ``bin/rake "ftp:download[:developement]"` worked ? :( No idea
<jhass>
I have no idea why your second example works, but I suspect you changed something in between
<arup_r>
nothing I have changed..
<jhass>
or it's something in the code you didn't show, who knows
<arup_r>
jhass: one more question.. `directory` method create directories.. Any rake method you know which delete directories.. I want to delete the directory after the task `download` ..
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<jhass>
then I'd say don't use the directory rule, use mkdir_p and rmdir
<jhass>
inside the task
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<arup_r>
ok .. it inludes the FileUtils lib
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<shevy>
once upon a time
<shevy>
I made things like this:
<shevy>
T = true
<shevy>
F = false
<shevy>
I thought that would be super useful to avoid having to type out true or false
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<jhass>
it is, if you write something like almost-sintra ;D
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
T=true;
<shevy>
you need to use that about... 5 times or so? before it becomes equal to a gain in almost-sinatra?
<shevy>
I mean the T lateron
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<jhass>
true vs T, saves 3 characters, T=true adds 6 characters, so, one usage +3, two usages, +0, three usages -3
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<shevy>
ah ok... so there will be a gain once it'll be used at least 3 times
<wasamasa>
"Use parentheses around the arguments of all other method invocations.Use parentheses around the arguments of all other method invocations."
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<havenwood>
Seattle style! Down with parens!
<havenwood>
;)
<wasamasa>
ebonics: so, according to at least 8000 people you're wrong
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<ebonics>
wrong about hat wasamasa
<ebonics>
what
<jhass>
about religion
<wasamasa>
lol
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<wasamasa>
this opinion is indeed religious
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<jhass>
no, the entire argument is
<jhass>
whether or not, it's preference. Entirely
<havenwood>
Tea or coffee, only one will prevail!
<ebonics>
i come from C and java
<ebonics>
not having to type brackets is nice
<havenwood>
Mmm coffee.
<jhass>
havenwood: I'm more of tea person
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<Encapsulation>
lol
<Encapsulation>
he decides that quickly
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<wasamasa>
I'm a tea person, too!
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<wasamasa>
ebonics: it's the semicolons for me actually
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<shevy>
which language is better than ruby?
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<adaedra>
ok, I may be thinking about something else then
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<woodruffw>
does anybody know an idiomatic way to insert a character in the middle of a string? i can do it with String.insert and the size of the string, but i'm wondering if there's a cleaner/simpler way
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<jhass>
possibly .sub, if there are some unique markers at the place
<jhass>
maybe there's a more idiomatic solution to the underlying task
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<woodruffw>
the task is printing out a list of nicks without triggering highlights. i'd like to print a list of nicks without highlighting the users, and the way i'm thinking of doing that is inject ZWS characters into each nick
<woodruffw>
injecting*
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<jhass>
well, that doesn't need to happen in the middle then
<jhass>
just insert after the first char
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<jhass>
it'll fail for single char nicks regardless
<woodruffw>
good point, that works equally as well
<woodruffw>
thanks!
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<jhass>
I wouldn't be surprised if at least some clients will highlight regardless though
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<woodruffw>
jhass: yeah, that was a concern. in particular, my listing needs to not trigger a bot that akicks on 5+ highlights
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<woodruffw>
in this case, the ZWS injection seems to work so it should suffice
<jhass>
sounds like you're violating some channels rules there...
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<woodruffw>
jhass: actually, this was the suggested solution by the bot's owner :)
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<woodruffw>
we have two main channel bots, and getting them to interoperate is a bit of a balancing game
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<havenwood>
woodruffw: Have a third channel bot mediate?
<jhass>
they probably should just ignore each other
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<woodruffw>
havenwood: lol
<woodruffw>
jhass: my bot currently does ignore the other one, but the other's highlight kicker doesn't have an ignore feature yet
<jhass>
that's said
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<jhass>
I mean that should be like one or two lines of code
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<woodruffw>
yeah. this was more of a question of curiosity, not a permanent solution
<woodruffw>
as a solution, it's pretty awful
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<wasamasa>
woodruffw: my client would still highlight it if my nick were on the list, no matter what you're separating them with
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<woodruffw>
wasamasa: even if the nick was divided by a ZWS?
<wasamasa>
woodruffw: oh, *divided*
<woodruffw>
let's see: wasamasa
<woodruffw>
yeah
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<woodruffw>
did that highlight you?
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<weaksauce>
any opinions on gui frameworks for ruby? playing around with gosu but it is pretty primitive with only image rendering vs having arbitrary draw commands.
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<shevy>
rubygnome \o/
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<weaksauce>
-linux +os x
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<pontiki>
hi
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<jalcine>
weaksauce: there's also smoke for using qt with ruby
<jalcine>
a cross-platform GUI toolkit (like gnome, but cleaner)
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<nobitanobi>
How come I can do this DateTime.now.to_s < DateTime.now but I can't do Time.now.to_s < Time.now ?
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<pontiki>
dunno what you're doing, but they both give ArgumentError
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<nobitanobi>
argh, not on rails sorry
<nobitanobi>
I guess Rails overrides the comparable
<ebonics>
is there a distinction between sending an empty string in the body content, and not?
<ebonics>
wrong channel wtf
<jhass>
probably an implementation detail of whatever you use to generate the request. Catch the generated request and check
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<rgb-one>
Any AsciiDoctor users here?
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<rgb-one>
!Time.now
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<havenwood>
?anyone rgb-one
<ruboto>
rgb-one, Just ask your question, if anyone has, they will respond.
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<rgb-one>
havenwood: yea
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<rgb-one>
How have you used AsciiDoctor?
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<rgb-one>
I would like to know how useful AsciiDoctor would be for generating both a manpage and an equivalent html webpage with the same content but with styling? How much effort would be involved in this.
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<Radar>
rgb-one: I don't know about a manpage, but I know it's pretty great for displaying its content in HTML
<rgb-one>
?Time.now
<ruboto>
I don't know anything about Time
<rgb-one>
Radar: I see. From what I have read it can convert content to manpages. I will have a go at it and see what it has to offer.