<pipework>
I imagine havenwood walking through a park full of bridges, feeding the trolls like they were geese, and he's just doing what he does every day.
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<Nilium>
Pretty soon, I'm just going to take away commit access to master entirely because one guy (same guy who keeps screwing up his local repo 'cause he hasn't figured out that he shouldn't be doing 'git rebase' every five seconds) keeps creating merge requests, assigning them to himself and then accepting them immediately
<Nilium>
Y'know, circumventing the whole point of the merge request: code review.
<ebonics>
he probably has a macro for that and everything
<Nilium>
I doubt it. He was recently proud that he learned how to use sed to do a substitution.
<ebonics>
#efficiency
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<Nilium>
His interaction with git is primarily through PHPStorm, which is part of the problem: he keeps trying to make everything go through one tool.
<ebonics>
intellij has some decent git plugins
<Nilium>
It has barebones support for most things. I strongly recommend most people use the CLI or SourceTree.
<meph>
keeps creating merge requests, assigning them to himself and then accepting them immediately <---- no way
<ebonics>
Nilium, you can use the terminal in phpstorm and shit
<ebonics>
you sure he doesnt do that
<Nilium>
He tries to and fails.
<ebonics>
is he paid the same amount as you
<Nilium>
Again, we're talking about someone who uses rebase and assumes it's the magic fix-up command
<Nilium>
And then he pulls the remote master on top of his changes and I just.. it makes me mad that I have to fix this every day and he doesn't figure out anything.
<Nilium>
Yes.
<meph>
rebase doesn't autofix git...
<ebonics>
honestly i don't really know what that's like cause i do my own thing
<meph>
indeed if you don't know how to play with rebase
<Nilium>
Yes, which is why I told the entire dev team to stop using rebase.
<meph>
more than a fixer is a breaker
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<ebonics>
but i would try to avoid confrontation then just blame everything on him when shit falls apart
<Nilium>
If you don't know what rebase is doing, you should never use rebase. Ever.
<meph>
Nilium: It's like I teach my "monkey" code partners
<meph>
just to use pull and push
<meph>
one of them learned to use rebase and fucked everything in 0 seconds
<Nilium>
You'll never lose data in git, but I don't want to have to explain to people how to pull stuff out of reflog
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<ebonics>
i think it would be annoying to have someone that's equal to me trying to tell me how to do my job
<ebonics>
even if i;m fucking up badly
<Nilium>
Plus whenever I do use rebase I always, always, always create a new branch specifically for that
<Nilium>
So that I don't have to use the reflog
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<ebonics>
like how do you assign homework to someone when they're your coworker of equal stature
<Nilium>
ebonics: When I'm the source control admin.
<ebonics>
oic
<Nilium>
I'm a coworker, we're paid the same, but I'm the one who has to deal with this.
<meph>
like my case
<Nilium>
I need more people to be proficient with their tools and not just go "well I'll just use it like subversion"
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<Nilium>
If they're proficient, they make fewer errors, they get things done faster, and I spend less time fixing things
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<ebonics>
is it the standard workflow in your company
<Nilium>
You know, so I can actually focus on building stuff
<ebonics>
or did you impose it?
<Nilium>
I haven't discussed workflow at all.
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<Nilium>
Git is a tool. The workflow is separate.
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<meph>
Nilium: you got damn right, people that come from SVN usually fails more than people that doesn't learned any version control :(
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<Nilium>
I will be imposing a workflow on everyone, but I need to get them all up to speed.
<meph>
or at least it's what happens in my work
<Nilium>
Like I said, I didn't use SVN before I got started with git. Git just made sense.
<Nilium>
The problem is the people who have an existing vocabulary.
<ebonics>
SVN is pretty much garbo
<ebonics>
the only thing other than git i use from time to time is mercurial
<Nilium>
Watch people take a linguistics 101 course at any university and you'll see them all stumble over themselves because they keep trying to assign their high-school understanding of language and its terminology to linguistics, which uses the same terms but with different meanings
<meph>
xDD
<meph>
true but sad story
<Nilium>
It was actually funny when I had to take linguistics 101 'cause I didn't have any public school education and I barely knew that stuff. Was easy as hell.
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<ebonics>
it reminds me of someone i know
<Nilium>
It's entirely prior knowledge that gets people hung up.
<Nilium>
You have to be willing to throw what you know out the window and start fresh.
<ebonics>
he was basically really bad as a kid, never went to school. he didn't read for basically 18 years
<Nilium>
I read tons as a kid, I just had no real formal education.
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<ebonics>
and now he's probably the smartest person i know. has like photographic memory and can speed read insanely fast
<ebonics>
so i question if it was because he didnt receive education and just adopted his own way of reading
<ebonics>
or if its just cause he has natural talent
<meph>
maybe both
<Nilium>
Don't know. I don't know the person.
<Nilium>
Literally nothing I can say to that.
<ebonics>
he credits it to not learning how to read
<ebonics>
i'm just presenting you with an anecdote :)
<ebonics>
to back up what you've been saying
<meph>
argh, that shitty cubietruck will made me insane :(
<ebonics>
i have honestly the worst decision ever
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<ebonics>
i assume theres some decent way to accomplish long polling in ruby right
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<Nilium>
My method of doing that is to open a socket and read, but I also wouldn't use Ruby for it.
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<ebonics>
well that's the thing
<ebonics>
i wrote some middleware in java to act as a server
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<ebonics>
but my middleware is basically calling exec to my ruby application which i find kind of cringeworthy
<ebonics>
so i might just cut out the middleware
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<ebonics>
too jaded to try to implement jruby, it failed hard when i tried before
<meph>
jruby...
<meph>
tell me a java-hater, but everything that starts with a "j" and is kinda related to java
<meph>
makes me feel like The Hulk
<ebonics>
i have no idea what you mean lol
<bricker>
yeah that was a rough read
<weaksauce>
java is pretty verbose but performant.
<weaksauce>
c# is a nice language
<bricker>
I hate that "verbose" is considered a bad thing
<ebonics>
C# is pretty much the same verbosity as java
<meph>
that java makes me want to smash things xD
<Nilium>
I use Go.
<weaksauce>
why
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<weaksauce>
verbose for the sake of being verbose is a bad thing in my opinion
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<bricker>
weaksauce: verbose for the sake of explictness and clarity is good
<ebonics>
^
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<ebonics>
java is a nice language in that it forces some really good habits
<weaksauce>
bricker the tons of boilerplate code you need to make anything in java is shit imo
<ebonics>
i would always recommend a new programmer to learn java first
<Nilium>
I tell people to learn C or Ruby.
<ebonics>
weaksauce, i agree, but you also get a lot of flexibility in that
<Nilium>
Or I guess Go would be a good learning language these days.
<bricker>
ebonics: or something similar. Ruby is a horrible first language for a programmer. It's easy but you don't learn any important programming concepts.
<bricker>
well, maybe a few
<ebonics>
i think ruby is too high level to learn first
<ebonics>
it's like learning javascript first
<bricker>
weaksauce: Yes, I agree with that statement
<ebonics>
everything just works but you don't learn any design patterns
<Nilium>
You need to understand logic and control structures before anything else.
<Nilium>
Then how to think about data structures
<ebonics>
i think for most people that's pretty intuitive
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<ebonics>
and some of the language constructs in ruby are pretty unique. ie. it's going to be confusing when switching to a C-based language
<Nilium>
Having seen multiple intro to CS classes fail, I think you're wrong
<weaksauce>
and the boilerplate code makes it harder to reason about the system as a whole. the more you can fit on the screen the more you can understand
<ebonics>
weaksauce, not sure what you mean by that
<Nilium>
At any rate, I like the idea of Go as a learning language now. Limited constructs, limited wasted time on style, limited wasted time on various other things.
<ebonics>
i think that the boilerplate is worth writing most of the time in java
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<weaksauce>
ebonics why?
<shevy>
why is writing boilerplate good
<ebonics>
you don't _have_ to write it. but it allows for the most flexibility. the end result is always fantastic
<ebonics>
i think your argument is a fallacy. but to start it's good because you learn a shitload of things about java just by understanding all the kwyrods in that example
<shevy>
meph well I have quite some long class-names too, but that is really extreme... HasThisTypePatternTriedToSneakInSomeGenericOrParameterizedTypePatternMatchingStuffAnywhereVisitor
<meph>
I think the coder was trying to break java writing long class-names
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<ebonics>
plus meph your IDE is going to obviously generate all that boilerplate
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<ebonics>
i thought you meant for inheritance and design pattern boilerplate
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<ebonics>
oh i mean shevy
<ebonics>
**
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<shevy>
so now you have to use an IDE too
<ebonics>
who doesn't use an IDE?
<Nilium>
←
<weaksauce>
I don't
<shevy>
people who don't need one for instance
<ebonics>
okay have a vim plugin then for generating class boilerplate
<meph>
emacs ftw
<ebonics>
whatever dude lol
<weaksauce>
do you have one?
<shevy>
why would anyone want to use vim or emacs
* Nilium
stabs shevy
<Nilium>
Speak not ill of vim.
<shevy>
no I mean really
<Nilium>
Do speak ill of emacs though.
<weaksauce>
vim is word
<weaksauce>
shevy you don't understand vim
<shevy>
you have an IDE like environment, sort of
<Nilium>
Let me give you one reason I like using vim: I can press qq to record a macro, copy that recording out of a register, and then put it in a script and turn it into a command.
<shevy>
you can use irb/pry, there are embeddable terminals like vte
<meph>
i use emacs as shell too
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<Nilium>
It's not for everyone, but I like the flexibility vim gives me that I haven't found in any IDE.
<meph>
this days I'm too lazy...
<Nilium>
I suspect Emacs is the same for Emacs users.
<weaksauce>
you have the notion of more than one clipboard as well.
<meph>
Nilium: indeed
<weaksauce>
registers as they are called in vim
<Nilium>
weaksauce: Also sessions, undo history that persists across vim instances, etc.
<ebonics>
i think vim is definitely the best tool for development, in terms of streamlining development once you know how to use it
<shevy>
ebonics I sort of use ruby code to generate boilerplate code in ruby too, for instance, "rubygen foo.rb" would generate a basic class in ruby
<shevy>
or rather "basic"; it has some common idioms that I use
<Nilium>
There are a lot of little things in vim and I assume emacs (I don't use it, but it wouldn't be in use today if it weren't good) that just add up to them being better for the people who use them
<shevy>
like: if __FILE__ == $PROGRAM_NAME
<b00b00>
if i save page content to a variable, say that variable is a multilaine string with 100 lines, and it stored in var named page_content, how i access to line X, like line 1?
<weaksauce>
emacs is great for programability
<shevy>
most of my classes have a run() and reset() method because I then don't have to think should I ever want to invoke the object, or reset it again
<ebonics>
b00b00, storing it in a string is probably not what you want to do in that case
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<weaksauce>
vim is great for efficiency of editing
<Nilium>
To the point that you can implement vim in emacs.
<weaksauce>
indeed and it's not *that* bad
<Nilium>
I do not believe that emacs can be implemented in vim, but I haven't looked it up
<shevy>
b00b00 easiest if you have an array. your_string.split("\n")[1]
<weaksauce>
Nilium no body want's to use VimL is the reason it's not been implemented yet
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<meph>
Nilium: vim has also a "emacs-mode"
<Nilium>
I use it, but it's a "ok I really want this thing to work, let's just do what I have to"
<weaksauce>
it could probably be done but that's the worst programming language ever
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<Nilium>
No, it's just really bad.
<shevy>
haha
<ebonics>
intellij has a vim mode
<Nilium>
Trust me, there is worse.
<ebonics>
lold
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<weaksauce>
i'd rather write in vb
<ebonics>
we going full circle
<adkron>
I'm working on a talk, and would love to get some ideas for good examples
<meph>
if my memory doens't fail... It's called VImacs
<shevy>
adkron a talk about what
<adkron>
What things do you do in a web app that you find repeated from controller to controller
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<Nilium>
Programming in Tcl is pretty awful, for example.
<shevy>
I like the vim keybindings. I hate the vim function syntax though
<ebonics>
m8 what do you mean you dont run vimacs in your intellij
<ebonics>
you new or smthing?
<weaksauce>
that's viml shevy
<adkron>
My examples so far are like/dislike, subscribe, report, sorting?
<Nilium>
I tried using the Vim stuff in IntelliJ and it just doesn't work well
<Nilium>
Too many clashing key bindings and so on
<shevy>
adkron create? delete? stats/statistics?
<ebonics>
prob cause you didnt switch vim to emacs mode within intellij
<weaksauce>
I require multi chord keybindings for one
<ebonics>
rookie mistake
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<shevy>
adkron edit!
<shevy>
CENSOR!
<adkron>
shevy: It is more along the lines of the non-restful things. Like something you might do to multiple models
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<weaksauce>
any vi mode that can't do multi chord keybindings is a nonstarter
<shevy>
hmm
<adkron>
non-restful might not be the best description
<shevy>
can you use vim to write music?
<adkron>
Things often not done in a restful way
<shevy>
I know that we have a music guy here... ericwood
<Nilium>
Also, to be fair, I'm a lousy vim user 'cause I still use the arrow keys.
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<b00b00>
thanks, but in these examples i get ssl error
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<b00b00>
need to append this {ssl_verify_mode: OpenSSL::SSL::VERIFY_NONE} iassume
<ebonics>
b00b00, i was just messing around there
<ebonics>
you can try the last one though
<ebonics>
with your ssl verify
<b00b00>
ok, i will try, thanks alot
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<pontiki>
hi
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<b00b00>
great, now i see the string with line\nline\n and so on... say i want to replace the whole first line, what is the right way? sorry for these lots of questions but very new with this
<b00b00>
i assume sub or gsub, but want to know the right way, thanks
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<ebonics>
bigmac, if you get the selenium firefox plugin it will allow you to right click an element and get the unique identifier for it
<ebonics>
sometimes it'll be like somediv:nth-child
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<pontiki>
ducklobster: if you're using bundler in the development of your library, it will require a Gemfile. but your Gemfile would contain only the source and gemspec lines probably
<ducklobster>
ahh i see
<ducklobster>
thanks for the info
<zotherstupidguy>
ducklobster in other words its not your problem now :)
<zotherstupidguy>
well using git, you can update the other Gemfile
<zotherstupidguy>
make a pullrequest
<pontiki>
ducklobster: i tend to always start gem or library or pretty much any non-rails development using `bundle gem <name> ...`
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<bigmac>
ebonics: i have the correct identifier, i just struggle to grab the first string
<pontiki>
zenspider & the seattlerc have hoe, which is really pretty great
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<bigmac>
ebonics: oh you are amazing i did it lol
<bigmac>
pontiki: looking now
<ebonics>
bigmac, nice ;o
<bigmac>
xpath("//em").remove
<bigmac>
and then => <p>string</p>
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<pontiki>
you understand that removes it from the whole tree?
<ebonics>
yeah if youre gonna need it later make sure you clone the parent first
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<bigmac>
i notice
<bigmac>
lol
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<nahtnam>
I have a array/json that looks like this: ["EU West", {"capacity"=>"full", "load"=>"idle"}] I am trying to get the capacity and load to be puts, but I dont know how to access it. I am able to access the Location by doing @json.first
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<zotherstupidguy>
pontiki i want to test my application api, so i need to run it before running the tests
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<pontiki>
what? that doesn't even make sense
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<pontiki>
what do your tests test??
<zotherstupidguy>
they call the api and see if it returns somthing meangiful
<zotherstupidguy>
via Net::HTTP response object
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<pontiki>
no unit or feature tests?
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<zotherstupidguy>
i am using minitest specs
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<zotherstupidguy>
i am sorry i am not sure what u mean
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<pontiki>
i guess i don't know what question you're asking
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<pontiki>
if you need to have your application up to bounce tests off it, why are asking if it's okay to use rake?
<zotherstupidguy>
not really, i just got confused by feature tests, i thought cucumber
<zotherstupidguy>
i am trying to figure out if i need to make a rake task to test API, then this task will have a dependency on another task that runs the app first
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<zotherstupidguy>
i just wanna make sure that others do it in a similar fashion, i like to stay with the herd
<pontiki>
whatever you use to run your tests, you need to ensure the dependencies for passing those tests are in place
<pontiki>
is this a rails app?
<zotherstupidguy>
pontiki i hear of mocking web calls, etc. thats why i ask, no it is not rails, pure rack
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<pontiki>
you generally mock web calls your application makes
<pontiki>
not the web calls your test makes to your application
<zotherstupidguy>
ok
<pontiki>
so your tests don't depend on services not under test
<pontiki>
say your application makes a service call to facebook's api
<pontiki>
you mock that call out
<zotherstupidguy>
ok, so its ok to use rake to 1) run the app, 2) run the tests, 3) stop the running app.
<zotherstupidguy>
?
<pontiki>
sure, if you want
<zotherstupidguy>
is this the way most ppl go with?
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<pontiki>
it's not the way people testing rails do things
<pontiki>
i can't speak for others
<zotherstupidguy>
how u do it?
<pontiki>
but rails has testing stuff in it so that it builds the calls to the stack as if they were coming through from a server
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<pontiki>
i don't know if rack has that, or if you can use the same things
<pontiki>
i'm not saying it can't be done. i just have no experience doing so
<zotherstupidguy>
so you can test a rails app, without running it?
<pontiki>
what you're proposing isn't bad either
<pontiki>
you test it without running it *separately*
<pontiki>
it's definitely running
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<pontiki>
it's all loaded up with your tests
<zotherstupidguy>
aha
<zotherstupidguy>
i guess rails testing worth a look at to see what helper function rails provide to do tests
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<pontiki>
which is also somewhat of an annoyance to outright problem because it can keep the tests from starting up quickly
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<pontiki>
it's why things like zeus, spork, and spring have been built
<pontiki>
i don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, either
<pontiki>
even in my sinatra apps, i've never spent any time testing that aspect
<pontiki>
i test all the internal models and objects and stuff
<zotherstupidguy>
because usually ppl test models
<zotherstupidguy>
not api calls
<zotherstupidguy>
exactly, right
<pontiki>
api interfaces are pretty damn thin
<pontiki>
not much to test at all
<zotherstupidguy>
good point
<zotherstupidguy>
because its done at the framework level
<zotherstupidguy>
testing is done at the framework level
<zotherstupidguy>
pontiki thanks
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<atmosx>
hell
<centrx>
aw hell
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<atmosx>
hm
<atmosx>
There's is something wrong
<atmosx>
but I can't tell what
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<sevenseacat>
its lupus.
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<apeiros>
o/ sevenseacat
<sevenseacat>
evening
<apeiros>
sevenseacat: just fyi, that person from yesterday did not contact me
<sevenseacat>
figured as much.
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<apeiros>
IMO you handled that just fine
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<sevenseacat>
thanks :)
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<_mak>
how to convert this to a readable date: 1430432075 ?
<jhass>
what's its .class?
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<jhass>
_mak: ^
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<_mak>
jhass: what do you mean?
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<yxhuvud>
mak: Time.at
<jhass>
if it's a Fixnum
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<jhass>
_mak: I want to know if it's a String, a Fixnum, a ...
<atmosx>
_mak: give the result of 1430432075.class in your program (string, fixnum, time...)
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<_mak>
jhass: ah, it's a string
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<yxhuvud>
atmos: it won't be a time unless there are some monkey patch shenanigans.
<jhass>
where do you get it from?
<atmosx>
I think he needs a method or a one-liner with some regexp/gsub/split/etc to make sense of it all... Either way I can't read it in any meaningful way.
<jhass>
still running arbitrary code coming in over the network...
<jhass>
ymmv
<al2o3-cr>
I know sort of pushing my look
<al2o3-cr>
luck*
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<shevy>
dumdedum
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<jgt>
hey folks
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<jgt>
what would you call this `f5(f4(f3(f2(f1()))))`
<jgt>
(aside from bad function names)
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<jhass>
to deeply nested call
<jhass>
*too
<jgt>
yes yes, comedic answers aside
<toretore>
functional programming
<jgt>
yes, it’s function composition, but done in a normal OO language
<jgt>
is it just nested functions?
<jgt>
my first thought was higher-order functions, but I don’t think that’s right
<jhass>
the language doesn't dictate the style of programming used, it just usually works better for a particular one
<toretore>
what is it you're looking for jgt?
<jgt>
jhass: Yes, you’re right, and I agree
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<jhass>
so that you're using an OO language doesn't mean it can't be functional programming
<jgt>
toretore: A name that describes what I just did in terms native to someone not involved with FP
<jgt>
jhass: See previous reply
<toretore>
why do you need a name for it? it's just a bunch of fn calls
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<jgt>
names are needed to describe ideas
<toretore>
function composition describes it (whatever "it" is) well
<jgt>
I know it does
<toretore>
but?
<jgt>
but I’m looking for a way to describe it without using typical FP names
<toretore>
why?
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<toretore>
"function composition" isn't restricted to fp
<jgt>
because that’s normally the easiest way to teach FP ideas to people unfamiliar with the paradigm
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<jgt>
or, to teach anyone anything for that matter
<toretore>
what aspect is it you actually want to get across?
<toretore>
lack of side effects?
<jgt>
yes
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<jgt>
I would mostly compare it to unix pipes
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<jgt>
or rather, the idea of some value going in one side, and coming out the other
<jgt>
of a chain of a bunch of small pure functions
<toretore>
just say that
<jgt>
fair enough
<jgt>
thanks for the discussion :)
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<toretore>
for someone unfamiliar with the concept, it's going to take some thinking to understand the significance anyway
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<toretore>
for someone new to programming it should be quite intuitive
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<toretore>
side effects are less intuitive
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<_blizzy_>
til I can intertwine two arrays with a.zip(b).flatten
<_blizzy_>
god I love ruby
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<_mak>
I have # encoding: utf-8 on my rb file, and I don't know why the ö is being transformed to a crazy long string
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<jhass>
# encoding: utf-8 is only for the literals inside the file
<jhass>
you still need to take care to read files in their correct encoding
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<_mak>
jhass: you mean when I do a File.open and File.write?
<jhass>
yeah
<jhass>
and CSV.foreach and any kind of IO really
<_mak>
jhass: and what I should do it to specify uft-8 every time I use any kind of IO?
<jhass>
setting Encoding.default_external comes to mind
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<_mak>
jhass: thanks a lot!
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<mwlang>
I’m trying to author a gem and I’m having trouble when loading the gem once built and installed. when I’m in my gem’s folder and I require ‘lib/dinero’ (the gem’s name is dinero), everything’s fine. but when I rake install it, then use irb to: require ‘dinero’ I end up with an indefinite wait for the files to load and it appears to be an infinite recursion issue.
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<jhass>
do you get a trace on Ctrl+C?
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<mwlang>
jhass: thanks for that…I was wondering if there wasn’t a better way.
<mwlang>
I was looking at other gems to try to come up with a good one.
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<b00b00>
i have string like this : ""---\nfoo: \"bar\"\nbaz: \n - \"qux\"\n - \"quxx\"\ncorge: null\ngrault: 1\ngarply: true\nwaldo: \"false\"\nfred: \"undefined\"\nemptyArray: []\nemptyObject: {}\nemptyString: \"\"" , how do i convert it so each line be as element in array?
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<jhass>
looks like yaml
<b00b00>
yes, it is
<jhass>
parse it
<jhass>
require "yaml"; YAML.load
<b00b00>
is there a way to do it without using yaml libs or methods?
<jhass>
yes, write a yaml parser
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<jhass>
and get a t-shirt saying "I have a strong case of the not invented here syndrome"
<apeiros>
b00b00: why on earth would you want to do it without yaml?
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<mwlang>
jhass: replacing my whacky gemspec with the templated one resolved the issues entirely.
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<jhass>
mwlang: great!
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<mwlang>
and boom, it’s published. :-)
<b00b00>
i am very new with ruby, and one of places i find for a potential job asked me for converting yml to jason without using yml/jason libs, i need very basic knowledge with ruby for some reason, so that is why :), i need to do it and understand what i did, so looking for help with that thing, thanks :)
<apeiros>
jason?
<apeiros>
you mean json?
<b00b00>
yes, sorry
<jhass>
then they want you to demonstrate that you're capable of some basic string juggling
<mwlang>
b00b00: you’d benefit from just going through a few online beginner courses on codeschool or pluralsight.com.
<jhass>
asking us for the solution defeats the point of that question
<mwlang>
b00b00: basically, what I see is that you’re in the weeds trying to figure out details without the proper tools in hand.
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<b00b00>
thanks, was reading the basics and it helped, that is why i asking some basics how to convert multiline string to array or stuff like this, so i move on from part to part
<jhass>
read the docs of String and Regexp
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<shevy>
dumdedum
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<shevy>
so essentially, a filepath, to some file, constitutes of dirname + basename ?
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<dorei>
i think you're right shevy
<dorei>
there's also a unix util named "basename" that predates ruby
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<b00b00>
need a little clue here, is there away to loop through each element in array and do particular manipulation for that specific line?
<shevy>
b00b00 this is a typical example for the method called .map()
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<shevy>
am I still connected guys? you all have become so quiet...
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<b00b00>
shevy: thanks
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<IceDragon>
shevy: hi
<shevy>
hey FireDragon
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<EDragon205>
hi
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<EDragon205>
I'm learning the basics of ruby, and I don't understand class variables and instances very well.
<mozzarella>
EDragon205: just ask questions, then
<EDragon205>
Can you explain what @ and @@ variables do and what self means when using self.def_name
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<mozzarella>
@variables are instance variables, each instance will have these, and they're not shared across instances
<mozzarella>
@@variables are class variables and they are shared across all instances
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<mozzarella>
as for the self keyword, it can mean different things at different places in your code
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<mozzarella>
if it's in a method, it refers to the current instance of the class, if it's inside the class and outside any method, it refers to the class object
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<toretore>
EDragon205: for the most part, don't worry about or use class variables
<mozzarella>
yeah, I rarely use them
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<EDragon205>
ok so @@ is like a global variable, but only in a class, then @ is like a local variable, but only in a class?
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<toretore>
in an instance
<toretore>
for @
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<EDragon205>
im confused
<toretore>
@@ = class, @ = instance
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<toretore>
do you understand the difference between a class and an instance of a class?
<EDragon205>
is an instance of a class a def inside it?
<mozzarella>
hope that helps
<EDragon205>
ok thanks
<toretore>
no, a class is a template from which you make an instance. class Dog; def bark; end; end; instanceOfDog = Dog.new
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<toretore>
you need to understand this before you can understand instance variables
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<EDragon205>
Ah, isn't that what calls the class?
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<shevy>
EDragon205 we instantiate a new object from that class
<shevy>
EDragon205 you can have @instance_variables reside on the class-level instance, such as: class Foo; @bar = 5; end, or for your given object; class Foo; def initialize; @bar = 5; end; end
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<EDragon205>
i don't understand what you mean
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<b00b00>
how can with .map method move on all string elements in arry and do diff manipulations for each line? like if i have element like "---\n" that needs to be changed to "{\n" , or 'parameter:'\n needs to be changed to "parameter:,"\n , is there a way to do it with same loop and to do for each line whats needed or better use .sub! and replace whats needed? i did with .sub! and all fine, but want
<b00b00>
to know what is the right way/concept to do such things. thanks
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<shevy>
EDragon205 you have to understand @instance variables first then
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<EDragon205>
that's what I, having a hard time doing
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<EDragon205>
i'm*
<shevy>
it is a variable
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<shevy>
b00b00 can you give a short example input, and the desired output? your sentence is so long :P
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<b00b00>
shevy: its just showing how i m poor in ruby :)
<b00b00>
thanks shevy, what is the meanning of "p begin" , "rescue Exception" , "puts "#{$!} (#{$!.class})"", " $stdout.flush", "raise $!" , thanks about it, if you can point me whats each do or docs about
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<shevy>
b00b00 begin and rescue is to rescue exceptions ok?
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<shevy>
and the $ variables have a special meaning
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<shevy>
$stdout.flush should clear $stdout
<shevy>
I think $! is the error code of your program
<b00b00>
i see
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<shevy>
indeed
<shevy>
$! -> error message
<shevy>
just looked it up
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<b00b00>
thanks alot
<shevy>
on unix this should be like when you do in a shell script: exit 127 or so yes?
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<shevy>
panzer!
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<b00b00>
when i write line like this : open('https://goog.e.com', {ssl_verify_mode: OpenSSL::SSL::VERIFY_NONE}) {|u| u.read }; d , what is the meanning of "{|u| u.read }; d" part? format the string to clean raw? thanks
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<hanmac>
b00b00: open returns an IO or IO-like object ... if you want the content you need to read from that IO object
<b00b00>
i see, its like "cleaning" the needed content?
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<shevy>
.read is .read() is a method on that object
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<shevy>
I do not know what the d is
<shevy>
you did not show that part of the code either ;)
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<maia>
Hello. Any suggestions on how to extract the most similar part of a string for a given substring(query)? E.g. the query is "dr strangelove", the string is "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" and I'd want to return "Dr. Strangelove".
<maia>
I'd like to add that the string can contain accents, umlauts, stopwords etc. which the query most likely doesn't.
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<ebonics>
maia, the charset thing seems like it's going to be the biggest problem
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<ebonics>
maia, you might want to let your database do most of the heavy lifting. ie. use LIKE %substr% if you're using SQL for your similarity search
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<maia>
ebonics: I could downcase/unaccent/… the string and then match the query, but I guess I’d then need some object storing the char positions for the original and modified strings
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<ebonics>
maia, sounds like a pretty good job for redis
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<maia>
ebonics: as for the db, I’ve been in #postgresql before but as I assumed that additional modules like 'unaccent' are not available on heroku, I decided to think about ruby-based solutions
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<ebonics>
maia, it's a lot less efficient if you have to do a bunch of processing in your backend as opposed to let your db do it
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<ebonics>
as long as your db is setup efficiently and/or clustered then it's better than tying up resources with ruby
<maia>
ebonics: yeah, but unless I find a way to add postgres modules to the default postgres available on heroku, I need another solution. And in fact the use case is really as short as the example.
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<ebonics>
maia, can i ask what your exact usecase is
<ebonics>
sounds like postgre is a shitty solution for ecommerce anyway
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<maia>
ebonics: my use case is 'un-unaccenting' and 'un-lowercasing' and 'un-stopwordremoval' for a string.
<ebonics>
maia, i mean your whole application. you might be able to find a database more suited for it. ie. ecommerce sites usually have better functionality with graph databases
<maia>
So with the input 'dr strangelove' and 'Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb' I’d need the method to return the properly capitalized version
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<maia>
ebonics: it’s not related to ecommerce at all. What I do is finding common (substring)phrases from tweets. For this I heavily regex the sources to only keep relevant words. Then I end up with a substring and what to get the source to better display the phrase
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<maia>
*want
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<maia>
ebonics: and as some people use accents, umlauts etc. on twitter, others don’t, I replace all these features by ascii-versions.
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<ebonics>
maia, you have that functionality already?
<maia>
yes.
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<ebonics>
maia, instead of altering your database you could just leave the original un-mangled one in your database and keep a set of aliases in a redis entry
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<maia>
ebonics: you’d suggest to have the entire un-mangled tw eets in redis?
<ebonics>
maia, nah
<maia>
because I only care about common phrases
<ebonics>
just your keywords
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<ebonics>
keep the lowercased, stripped versions in redis with a pointer to the database index for the clean string
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<maia>
it’s not keywords. it’s the largest matching (mangled) substring of a group of tweets
<ebonics>
i don't see the distinction
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<maia>
ebonics: hmm. (and thanks for your time by the way). e.g. I have ten tweets about a movie. I clean the strings (lowercase, remove stopwords, unaccent), then look for matching substrings. I end up with e.g. two substrings. Now I’d need to lookup the 'original’ substring.
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<ebonics>
maia, that's not that many key/values
<ebonics>
and you can run multiple instances of redis
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<maia>
djellemah: I’ve looked into it but have not found a way to 'e.g. unaccent' without installing additional modules (which most likely does not work on heroku)
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<maia>
ebonics: oh so you suggest to feed redis just with the e.g. 10 tweets, then wipe the redis db and feed with the next group?
<ebonics>
maia, definitely dont wipe the results
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<jhass>
maia: host postgres somewhere decent where you have control and connect to it from heroku if you have to use heroku for the frontend
<ebonics>
you can use it next time for faster queries
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<maia>
ebonics: okay, so I have some 10k tweets per day. When splitting that’s ~100k words. When using bigrams, trigrams etc. I’d end up with a million entries in redis per day.
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<ebonics>
maia, your words arent ever going to overlap?
<ebonics>
there's a finite number of words haha
<maia>
ebonics: but not a finite number of combinations.
<ebonics>
maia, well yeah there is a finite number of thsoe too
<ebonics>
i think i don't understand what you're doing
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<ebonics>
you probably will need some type of better solution than i'm suggesting
<maia>
how frequent was 'A 7.8 Eathquake just hit Nepal west of Kathmandu' until two weeks ago?
<ebonics>
maia, why are oyu even saving all permutations of the tweet
<maia>
ebonics: I’m trying to extract relevant news from tweets by identifying common phrases.
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<maia>
ebonics: I thought you suggested to save all permutations?
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<ebonics>
maia, not if you dont have to obviously
<ebonics>
maia, seems like you're trying to avoid lexing
<maia>
e.g. with the above string plus ['reports of a 7.8 earthquake', 'epicentrum west of kathmandu', 'massive earthquake'] I’d extract the following phrases: ['earthquake', 'west of kathmandu'].
<maia>
And for these phrases I’d search for the 'unmangled' versions, e.g. 'west of Kathmandu'.
<ebonics>
maia, so you could just store entries for earthquake and west of kathmandu on redis
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<ebonics>
and have your unmangled version in your database
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<ebonics>
or just do everything on redis, whatever
<ebonics>
depends if you need to add more metrics to the keywords
<maia>
ebonics: I think I have to think about your suggestion. Probably it’s what I need, but currently I don’t yet get why I should permanently store data. I thought I could write a method that is input two strings (one processed substring, one source string) and it will return the 'unprocessed' string. no db, nothing.
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<ebonics>
maia, even if you accomplished that for one language it wouldn't be adaptive
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<ebonics>
in that case you'd have to hardcode a bunch of rules instead of just a catchall for stripping punctuation and mapping charsets
<maia>
ebonics: currently I only care about one language, and there are very easy rules of un-accenting.
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<ebonics>
maia, how are you going to determine _which_ unmangled version is the best one?
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<maia>
ebonics: I’m using pg_trgm, sorting by similarity and taking the first item. As I know which group of tweets a phrase will origin, it’s easy to do a similarity search for just these tweets.
<ebonics>
maia, okay i see
<ebonics>
maia, yeah i'd really consider just caching the unmangled version with a bunch of aliases
<ebonics>
the only problem i see is that a lot of your keywords are transitive
<maia>
so take the first item the similarity search returns, split it, create all permutations, save these in a hash with the mangled version as key and the unmangled as value.
<ebonics>
you don't care about that?
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<ebonics>
graph database would be AMAZING for your usecase
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<maia>
I might miss something regarding transitive keywords, but as my phrase search returns the longest frequent substring, I don’t care if there are shorter substrings
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<maia>
(oh yes, graph databases look exciting)
<ebonics>
maia, you might consider checking out OQGRAPH for mariadb
<maia>
will do so, thanks. although I really hope I can find a 10 liner ruby method first to tackle that problem. :)
<pipework>
postmodern is not only on IRC, he's a really nice person.
<texasmynsted>
thank you both
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<pipework>
texasmynsted: The only bit worth knowing is that you might want to grab a new shell or modify $RUBIES yourself after using ruby-install.
<texasmynsted>
is there a problem with installing on mac os x from the git repos?
<pipework>
texasmynsted: Shouldn't e.
<pipework>
be*
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<texasmynsted>
modify rubies?
<pipework>
If you don't know what that means, just open a new shell after using ruby-install to install a ruby.
<pipework>
Then you can use chruby in that new shell to switch to it
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<texasmynsted>
ok. Is that persistant?
<texasmynsted>
or do I need to open a new shell each time I want a particular version of ruby?
<pipework>
$RUBIES is set properly with each new shell.
<pipework>
Just when you install a ruby.
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<pipework>
[14:51:47] <pipework>texasmynsted: The only bit worth knowing is that you might want to grab a new shell or modify $RUBIES yourself after using ruby-install.
<pipework>
ruby-install is for, you guessed it, installing rubies.
<texasmynsted>
ok
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<texasmynsted>
can I type something to see it is workign?
<pipework>
Try using it.
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<texasmynsted>
chruby does nothing… I think I need to install some rubyies
<pipework>
Did you open a new shell after using ruby-install?
<pipework>
Did you also set up chruby like it says in the readme?
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<texasmynsted>
oops, did not open a new shell.
<texasmynsted>
just now typed ruby-install ruby
<texasmynsted>
hope that was not bad
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<texasmynsted>
from new shell get "$ chruby
<texasmynsted>
-bash: chruby: command not found"
<pipework>
Did you follow the chruby installation instructions in the README?
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<texasmynsted>
I did
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<texasmynsted>
have to try this later.
<texasmynsted>
sudo ./scripts/setup.sh errored out, think I fixed
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<hololeap>
does anybody have an idea why Regexp#=== _doesnt_ call .to_s on its argument? it would make things like Pathname.new('/whatever').grep(/\.mp3$/i) possible and i don't see when a Regexp would apply to anything but a string
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<IceDragon>
hololeap, its actually the other way around