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<Papierkorb> I have a hash. each value of this hash is an array. how do I get the sum of all #length's of said arrays?
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<Papierkorb> nvm. easier than thought. ruby knows what I want.
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<apeiros> Papierkorb: so how did you do it?
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<Papierkorb> apeiros: hash.map{ |k,v| v.length }.sum
<apeiros> ah, using rails :)
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<Papierkorb> well, AR if that counts
<Papierkorb> I just typed sum into irb and it worked ..
<tcrypt> hash.values.map(&:length).reduce(:+)
<mozzarella> hash.values.map(&:length).inject(&:+)
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<apeiros> mozzarella: with inject, the variant without & exists and is faster
<mozzarella> why is it only with inject?
<tcrypt> hmm, i had no idea it was faster. that's interesting
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<Papierkorb> what's with this & magic?
<Papierkorb> I see what it will do, but how would my function use that?
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<apeiros> mozzarella: because inject is built to accept a non-block argument
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<mozzarella> apeiros: I know, but why? why not do that with other functions as well?
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<tcrypt> Papierkorb: this is the best link i could find that explains it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1217088/what-does-mapname-mean-in-ruby
<tcrypt> probably not the greatest available but the best i could find real quick
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<Papierkorb> reminds me of std::mem_fn. mem_fn scares me.
<apeiros> mozzarella: you'd have to ask ruby-core guys. with inject, it's a major use-case.
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<apeiros> Papierkorb: & in front of an argument instructs ruby to treat it as a block
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<apeiros> Papierkorb: if the argument is not a Proc instance or nil (the only ones which can be converted to a block), then ruby will try call to_proc on the argument first
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<apeiros> and :+ is a Symbol, so it calls :+.to_proc
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<apeiros> which essentially returns proc { |receiver, *args| receiver.send(:+, *args) }
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<Papierkorb> Okay, why again is python more popular?
<themadcanudist> hey guys, question about Rakefiles. It appears that all ruby code within a namespace is always executed, even if another task outside the namespace is called
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<themadcanudist> does that sound like expected behaviour?
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<Papierkorb> it's scary, I mean, when I need to do something, knowing barely any ruby functions, to just type what I'd hope to exist and it just does what I want
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<apeiros> Papierkorb: being a japanese invention, it wasn't well known in the west for years
<apeiros> ruby is almost as old as python/java. there's afair ~2y between those three
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<Papierkorb> apeiros: at least caused a bunch of gems to have nicer names :P
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<pipework> Ruby is as old as python, iirc.
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<apeiros> it depends on what you still consider "as old", and which dates you use for release. but even in the worst case it's iirc less than 2y. so I'd agree with "as old".
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<weaksauce> python 91 and ruby 94 according to wikipedia. but that could have been early 94 and late 91
<Papierkorb> At least rails' rise was fun to watch from the outside. Everyone was like "Oh with python we have django it's so awes.. fuck it RoR is way more awesome"
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<sevenseacat> i keep meaning to learn django, at least a little bit. i tried before i learnt rails, but python didnt make much sense to me back then
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<mozzarella> sevenseacat: you know what django has that I wish rails had?
<sevenseacat> whats that
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<mozzarella> I've never used it so I could be wrong, but from what I've seen, you describe the fields your models have, and the migrations are generated for you
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<sevenseacat> yeah i think you define the fields in one place, in your model
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<weaksauce> mozzarella yeah.
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<weaksauce> I had used it a while ago and it's kind of a pain actually
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<weaksauce> mozzarella why do you want that feature?
<centrx> mozzarella, How is that different from Rails migrations?
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<weaksauce> centrx it is declarative and inside a model file
<centrx> Needing to explicitly define every field in your model is a defect of Python
<centrx> Doesn't seem like a plus
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<apeiros> weaksauce: I'm curious as I do it that way - what did you experience as painful with that way?
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<weaksauce> apeiros just tedious to do and clutters up the model file.
<weaksauce> very verbose as well.
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<weaksauce> I have a project where I am using the annotate gem and you get the best of both worlds.
<themadcanudist> how does rails get away with not having to do that? the fields are an important property of the model, no?
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<apeiros> I understand the "clutters up the model" part, but how is it tedious? I mean you don't have less work with a migration?
<weaksauce> tedious because of python's syntax
<apeiros> ah, ok
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<themadcanudist> can you post an comparison example?
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<Papierkorb> um does anyone know how to use bundler with rubinius (rbx) without rbenv and friends?
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<pipework> I thought there was a post that showed that both python and ruby started in the same year because each author said they started in that year.
<apeiros> weaksauce: personally I like having the fields in the model. too often I go check schema.rb and/or the db in rails
<pipework> Like really old mailing list posts.
<pipework> I'll look.
<weaksauce> apeiros have you tried annotate?
<postmodern> Papierkorb, should work normally
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<apeiros> weaksauce: no
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<weaksauce> themadcanudist that link was for you
<themadcanudist> weaksauce: /nod - sorry, but i'm ignorant to rails. Where are the field definitions?! How can you use an orm without those properties?
<Papierkorb> postmodern: I do "bundle exec rbx" but it complains that I should run bundle install
<weaksauce> it doesn't need them themadcanudist
<Papierkorb> postmodern: I'd need to tell bundle install to target rbx
<weaksauce> it uses the very dynamic nature of ruby to define them on the fly when you use them
<apeiros> themadcanudist: depending on the db driver it queries the database and/or infers from the data returned by queries
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<postmodern> Papierkorb, rbx -S bundle install
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<themadcanudist> interesting
<themadcanudist> so new code can generate new fields, does that require a migration? that sounds confusing.
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<themadcanudist> or does rails do a schema migration on the fly?
<Papierkorb> postmodern: thanks
<weaksauce> migrations can make changes to the database
<apeiros> themadcanudist: a migration means your db changes
<apeiros> themadcanudist: but your db does not change when you start a rails app
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<themadcanudist> ok
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<weaksauce> pretty neat gem.
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<weaksauce> you can set it up to automatically update on a migration
<apeiros> weaksauce: ok
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<apeiros> weaksauce: https://gist.github.com/apeiros/27b7473b5deb33e59731 that's how it looks in my framework (a bit older, but stuff is mostly still like this)
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<weaksauce> ah I see apeiros. how does it work?
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<apeiros> weaksauce: a DSL class collects all data, constructs Struct classes from the definition and mapping classes for DB<->Model and Params<->Model
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<weaksauce> and that's a lot more lightweight than django's way
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<apeiros> those resulting classes are then stored in the model class
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<weaksauce> I guess I don't really need the model fields because I have a irb session open and the columns are just a ModelName.first away
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<weaksauce> and naming of things is fairly consistent
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<apeiros> weaksauce: or Model.column_names
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<apeiros> or with a good toolset, just plain Model ;-)
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<weaksauce> yeah. first is easier to type :)
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<weaksauce> even with a poor toolset ;)
<apeiros> but what if you have no data for ModelName?!?
<apeiros> you'll be lost!!!!!
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<apeiros> ok, too many !, time to go to bed :) good night!
<weaksauce> I suppose it would be a long trek to the model or schema.rb file :)
<weaksauce> night
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<pontiki> hello/
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<Brozo> hi pontiki
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<Nilium> Skeletons. So many skeletons.
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<mozzarella> sorry for my late response, I was eating lasagna
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<Nilium> Give it to me
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<mozzarella> centrx: you don't have to look at your schema file to know what's in your model, that's one, and then the fact that's easier to edit your model than creating a new migration to modify your tables
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<diegoviola> what's the difference with Proc and lambdas?
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<diegoviola> you can call #call in both
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<centrx> diegoviola, a lambda is a special kind of Proc
<diegoviola> yes but that's not saying much
<diegoviola> special kind of Proc, how?
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<mozzarella> weaksauce: yeah, python is painful, but ruby would make it much better ;3
<diegoviola> a Proc is a procedure, iirc
<Brozo> ruby master rae
<diegoviola> so is a lambda, right?
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<centrx> diegoviola, lambda validates the number of arguments, and a return in a lambda returns from the lambda, not the enclosing
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<diegoviola> centrx: now that confuses me
<diegoviola> ELI5, anyone?
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<Brozo> eli5 lambda would be greatly appreciated
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<centrx> diegoviola, "A return in a Proc returns from its enclosing block/method, while a return in a lambda simply returns from the lambda."
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<mozzarella> >> proc { |a, b| }.call
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<ruboto> mozzarella # => nil (https://eval.in/321952)
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<mozzarella> >> lambda { |a, b| }.call
<havenwood> diegoviola: From within a method you call a lambda and you call a proc. You then `return` from within the lambda and proc. The lambda keeps running the rest of the method but the proc returns from the method right then and there.
<ruboto> mozzarella # => wrong number of arguments (0 for 2) (ArgumentError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/321953)
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<diegoviola> thanks guys
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<diegoviola> I guess I'll need to write some code and see
<jbc_> heyas
<Brozo> hey jbc_
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<diegoviola> havenwood: thanks, that makes sense
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<havenwood> >> def example; lambda { return :foiled }.call; :diegoviola end; example
<ruboto> havenwood # => :diegoviola (https://eval.in/321954)
<havenwood> >> def example; proc { return :foiled }.call; :diegoviola end; example
<ruboto> havenwood # => :foiled (https://eval.in/321955)
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<diegoviola> havenwood: I see, thanks
<havenwood> diegoviola: de nada
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<jbc_> is there a nicer pattern for delimited-field munging than |line| (foo, bar, bat)=line.split(/:) ...
<diegoviola> :D
<jbc_> * /:/
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<mwlang> what could cause ruby to read a file as US-ASCII instead of UTF-8, esp. if the file was originally created with Ruby?
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<Radar> local encodings
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<Radar> Encoding.default_encoding
<mwlang> hmmm….
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<mwlang> Radar: Encoding.default_encoding seems to be non-existent
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<mwlang> perhaps Encoding.default_external => #<Encoding:US-ASCII>
<Radar> there you go
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<mwlang> heh. Let me change that and see what happens.
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<Radar> mwlang: You can put an encoding comment at the top of your file too
<Radar> # encoding: UTF-8
<mwlang> actually, no…let me just read with UTF-8 encoding.
<Radar> That should change the encoding
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<mwlang> I know I have UTF-8 when I save it…it shouldn’t be bouncing to US-ASCII
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<pipework> mwlang: Ruby sees a series of bytes, not a string with the encoding you saved it as.
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<mwlang> hmmm…let me double-check how I’m creating the file…could be my mistake on that particular file.
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<pipework> mwlang: The way you create the file is irrelevant. Unless you instruct ruby to interpret a series of bytes its reading as a certain encoding, it will assume default.
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<mwlang> pipework: I guess I think it’s my fault because I created ~10 files..9 are fine, this one is not.
<pipework> There are many ways to instruct ruby to do so, but one of them is not by saving a file as utf-8.
<pipework> mwlang: 'fine' in that it reads it in and the encoding is utf-8 when you query the string for the encoding?
<mwlang> this solves it: File.read('paramedic_care_principals.txt').force_encoding(Encoding::UTF_8)
<pipework> I'd need to see some code.
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<pipework> mwlang: If you know for sure that UTF-8 is the right encoding for that file, forcing the encoding probably won't hurt.
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<mwlang> pipework: yeah, all the others show UTF-8 when I do contents.encoding inspects
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<pipework> However, it could cause some huge problems as well.
<mwlang> well, like I said, I created ‘em. I’m setting up some fixtures in text files I’m creating.
<mwlang> they’re not going to change once I get ‘em “right"
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<mwlang> I’m basically setting up some fixture files that contain HTML that I sanitize. the files have the input HTML then a line with just “~~~” and then the expected sanitized HTML.
<mwlang> so I was just doing File.read(fixture_file_name).split(“~~~”) to get the two parts
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<mwlang> all the others worked fine until this one file.
<pipework> mwlang: You might want to not use force_encoding and use something that will try to encode as utf-8 and fail when there's something wrong.
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<pipework> Because if you force it, you might end up using bad data and that might bite you in the ass.
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<mwlang> pipework: true. The onlything I can see that’s jumping out at me is that <p>&nbsp;</p> is in the incoming HTML and the sanitized HTML is <p>\u00A0</p> which, in my textmate editor looks like <p> </p>
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<mwlang> heh…converting that \u00A0 back to “&nbsp;” after sanitizing the HTML and then saving to the file solve the whole encoding problem.
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<mwlang> it’s coming out of the sanitize gem which is using the google gumbo parser for html5 which, unfortunately does convert perfectly fine html entities into their literal unicode characters.
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<mwlang> meh, sometimes you just gotta think outside the box. I gsub’d all ‘&’ with “%AMP%” then sanitized the HTML then gsub’d %AMP% back to “&”. Keeps the perfectly valid HTML entity codes and avoids the whole unicode/us-ascii mess.
<mwlang> this is mostly stemming from HTML that got created from Microsoft Word.
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<mwlang> you know… the whole left curly quotes (&#8220;) becoming unicode sequence \u00E2\u0080\u009CH and such
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<mwlang> pipework: thanks for your feedback…the end solution ends up being a much better answer to the problem set.
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<pipework> mwlang: What'd you end up doing?
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<pipework> huh.
<mwlang> a bunch of divs in the fragments lead to a bunch of blank lines, hence the shift and pop loops
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<mwlang> anyway, avoided the issue altogether by not translating &nbsp; and the likes to unicode.
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<mwlang> which I didn’t want anyway. main goal was to strip tags we didn’t want and strip attributes off the remaining tags.
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<mwlang> I’m off to bed. cheers!
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<pussygla2iator> yo I know this is like asking christians whether or not another religion is better
<pussygla2iator> but hear me out
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<pussygla2iator> I want to play with a level-language to make "interesting" apps quickly, should I learn ruby or python?
<pussygla2iator> It is nothing serious, just for leisure and experience
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<sevenseacat> what type of apps?
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<sevenseacat> web apps, desktop apps, cli apps?
<pipework> pussygla2iator: How interesting?
<baweaver> Flip a coin, both can do pretty much anything
<pussygla2iator> Web / desktop
<baweaver> It's just as to what style.
<sevenseacat> ruby isnt so great for desktop gui stuff.
<pussygla2iator> pretty much anything I want to do at that particular moment
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<sevenseacat> afaik. i only build web apps.
<pipework> pussygla2iator: The only thing I dislike about python is the weak lambdas.
<pussygla2iator> something that is well-supported and cross-platform
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<baweaver> Python is more rigid with forced rules, structure, and standards. It's motto is there should only be one correct way to do things.
<pipework> Both python and ruby suck at desktop graphical apps, though you can actually make them with either, they aren't as easy as with things like Javafx.
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<baweaver> Ruby is more flexible, with emphasis on reading naturally and programmer happiness
<baweaver> Python tends to lean more imperative, and Ruby tends to lean more functional in style
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<pussygla2iator> would it be fair to say ruby is somewhat of a toy language
<pussygla2iator> not in the literal sense
<pipework> Not really, no.
<baweaver> no
<pussygla2iator> but its not going to be efficient
<ruby120> had a quick qudstion. i want to build a regex that matches exactly this format: .3519 The numbers can be any digits 0-9, but it stars with a . and has exactly 4 digits. i came up with this, but it doesn't seem to work just right.. ^\A.\{4}\z
<pussygla2iator> but it'll be very nice to work with
<pussygla2iator> and fun
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<pipework> ruby120: escape the dot
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<fowl> ruby is a toy yes
<baweaver> ruby120: http://www.rubular.com
<dudedudeman_home> pipework: would escapging just be adding in another \?
<baweaver> ah fowl
<dudedudeman_home> baweaver: i built what i had so far on that site(love it). jsut hung up on that dot
<fowl> ah
<baweaver> >> '.3519' =~ /^\.\d{4}/
<ruboto> baweaver # => 0 (https://eval.in/321969)
<baweaver> >> '.3519' =~ /^\.\d+/
<ruboto> baweaver # => 0 (https://eval.in/321970)
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<fowl> >> %%%%%%%%%
<ruboto> fowl # => /tmp/execpad-4dd8363b3bab/source-4dd8363b3bab:4: syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting key ...check link for more (https://eval.in/321971)
<baweaver> well I can't regex today.
<fowl> >> %%%%%%%%%%
<ruboto> fowl # => /tmp/execpad-3216930705a6/source-3216930705a6:2: unterminated string meets end of file ...check link for more (https://eval.in/321972)
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<pipework> Anything is a toy if you play with it or receive it in a meal meant for a child that you receive from a fast food establishment.
<dudedudeman_home> >> '.2356' =~ ^\A.\{4}\z
<ruboto> dudedudeman_home # => /tmp/execpad-400a41caa874/source-400a41caa874:2: syntax error, unexpected '^' ...check link for more (https://eval.in/321973)
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<dudedudeman_home> >> '.2356' =~ /^\A.\{4}\z/
<ruboto> dudedudeman_home # => nil (https://eval.in/321974)
<baweaver> Ah, 0 is true in ruby
<dudedudeman_home> >> '.2356' =~ /^\A\.\{4}\z/
<ruboto> dudedudeman_home # => nil (https://eval.in/321975)
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<baweaver> derp
<dudedudeman_home> hmm
<pipework> baweaver: The only falsy objects are false and nil
<baweaver> why the \{4}
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<baweaver> I know
<baweaver> Too much JS lately
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<baweaver> shouldn't that be \d{4}
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<dudedudeman_home> ooo. possible. i'm new to regex, and this one is hanging me up. lemme go try that
<baweaver> >> '.3519' =~ /^\.\d+/ ? :yep : :nope
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<ruboto> baweaver # => :yep (https://eval.in/321976)
<baweaver> >> '.3519' =~ /^\.\d{4}/ ? :yep : :nope
<ruboto> baweaver # => :yep (https://eval.in/321977)
<baweaver> >> '.359' =~ /^\.\d{4}/ ? :yep : :nope
<ruboto> baweaver # => :nope (https://eval.in/321978)
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<dudedudeman_home> so to escape a character in regex, it's just \ \
<baweaver> >> 'e' =~ //
<ruboto> baweaver # => 0 (https://eval.in/321979)
<baweaver> >> 'e' =~ /./
<ruboto> baweaver # => 0 (https://eval.in/321980)
<baweaver> >> 'e' =~ /\./
<ruboto> baweaver # => nil (https://eval.in/321981)
<baweaver> >> '.' =~ /\./
<ruboto> baweaver # => 0 (https://eval.in/321982)
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<dudedudeman_home> baweaver: ^\.\d{4} is exactly what i needed
<dudedudeman_home> ^\.\d{4} vs my old one ^\A.\{4}\z
<dudedudeman_home> so i basically didn't need to worry about starting a new line, and i wasn't escaping the .
<dudedudeman_home> bah.
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<dudedudeman_home> and ugh, i guess i wasn't even properly asking for any digit with d
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<dudedudeman_home> thank you baweaver!
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<dudedudeman_home> i just realized i was using rubular entirely wrong as well
<dudedudeman_home> i should have put my test string in first, and then built my regex to match it. makes so much more visual sense in doingso
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<baweaver> not a problem
<baweaver> pretty much
<dudedudeman_home> or do it like you did, and build it character by character
<dudedudeman_home> i now have learned 2 things tonight
<dudedudeman_home> :)
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<baweaver> named capture groups are awesome as well for later.
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<dudedudeman_home> wat
<dudedudeman_home> lol
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<dudedudeman_home> oh. just googled that. that looks really nifty
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<dudedudeman_home> and really confusing...
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<baweaver> >> match = 'www.google.com' =~ /www\.(?<name>.+)\..{3}/; match[:name]
<ruboto> baweaver # => no implicit conversion of Symbol into Integer (TypeError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/321986)
<baweaver> >> match = 'www.google.com' =~ /www\.(?<name>.+)\..{3}/
<ruboto> baweaver # => 0 (https://eval.in/321987)
<dudedudeman_home> and then you can use match[:name] wherever?
<baweaver> >> match = 'www.google.com' =~ /www\.(?<name>.+)\..{3}/; Regexp.last_match[:name]
<ruboto> baweaver # => "google" (https://eval.in/321988)
<baweaver> there it is.
<baweaver> I lose track of it sometimes.
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<dudedudeman_home> eh, that was actually kind of cool, because i got to see you take it from not working to working
<baweaver> >> /www\.(?<name>.+)\..{3}/.match('www.google.com')[:name]
<ruboto> baweaver # => "google" (https://eval.in/321989)
<baweaver> I tend to screw around in a REPL a lot.
<baweaver> (think pry or irb)
<dudedudeman_home> right. read evaluate print .. something
<dudedudeman_home> loop
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<dudedudeman_home> i should work on making that a habit, because it's like a comptuer representation of playing with a rubix cube. you have a problem, you need to solve it, but you need to figure out which steps will get you there
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<neohunter> on the documentation it says that time#strftime uses %L to show milliseconds but instead it prints a L letter, why?
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<baweaver> What code are you using?
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<baweaver> >> Time.new.strftime "%L"
<ruboto> baweaver # => "370" (https://eval.in/321990)
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<baweaver> >> Time.new.to_i
<ruboto> baweaver # => 1430454313 (https://eval.in/321991)
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<baweaver> neohunter: ^^^ That work for you?
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<neohunter> baweaver just found the issue, is not available on 1.8.7
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<baweaver> 1.8.7 is way old mate
<neohunter> to get ms i can use ms = Time.now.to_f.to_s.split(".").last[0..2]
<baweaver> 1.9.3 is end of life
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<baweaver> 2.2.x is current
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<baweaver> You should really upgrade that if at all possible.
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<neohunter> baweaver unfortunatelly i cant :(
<baweaver> Why's that?
<neohunter> its a web page used by a good number of users...
<baweaver> Cite massive security holes
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<neohunter> and its pretty complex
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<neohunter> and code is done in a poor way
<neohunter> basically to upgrade i have to rewrite everything
<baweaver> You're going to have to pull the bandaid at some time
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<baweaver> better now than later.
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<baweaver> besides, don't you have a dev or staging environment for testing thigs?
<baweaver> things*
<neohunter> yes
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<neohunter> in fact we already tried to upgrade
<neohunter> but ... we give up xD
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<baweaver> So largely used site
<neohunter> hey before_filter and append_before_filter is the same right?
<baweaver> with a massive security hole
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<baweaver> and probably using an earlier version of Rails.
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<neohunter> yep 2.3
<baweaver> Upgrade and be done with it
<baweaver> Even if it involves a rewrite, that level of tech debt will screw you in the long run.
<sevenseacat> i updated a really crufty rails app from 1.8.7 to 2.2 - took a couple of weeks, including a rails upgrade in there
<sevenseacat> you really need to do it.
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<baweaver> pain from treating a wound is better than pain of gangrene setting in if you wait too long from infection.
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<neohunter> yes im thinking in lauch a beta version of the site
<neohunter> and migrating feature by feature
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<baweaver> Just do it all at once
<baweaver> feature by feature is going to get you very little very slowly.
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<sevenseacat> upgrade ruby. see what breaks. fix what breaks. i hope you have a decent test suite.
<baweaver> halt new features and upgrade. Yes, it'll make a few investors / managers mad, but something like this should have been taken care of a few years ago before it ever got that old.
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<neohunter> i agree
<neohunter> gentlemen, one question.. if there a way to force a before_filter set in application controller be executed before a before_filter in the real contorller that is handling the request?
<baweaver> neohunter: gender neutral pronouns
<sevenseacat> yes please.
<baweaver> for all you know I'm a woman
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<neohunter> my apologies !
<baweaver> I'm not, but not the point.
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<neohunter> oh , lol but ok
<baweaver> Just something to watch out for
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<mozzarella> bros and sisses
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<blahwoop> if i have a bunch of cuisines each with a different recipe e.g japanese1 japanese2 korean1 korean2 korean3 how would i go about maximizing the randomness given n number of cuisines over n number of days
<baweaver> People, Humans, etc.
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<blahwoop> trying to figure out how to approach the problem
<baweaver> blahwoop: Read into Ruby Enumerable, there's a method in there
<baweaver> it starts with an s
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<mozzarella> what if I'm a dog?
<blahwoop> shuffle?
<baweaver> Welcome to San Francisco
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<baweaver> sample
<neohunter> ok, beings, please.
<baweaver> or Tumblr, your pick.
<baweaver> thinking neohunter
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<baweaver> the other question was just an easier one.
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<baweaver> You know how hooks work?
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<baweaver> define one in your app controller's before_filter to do something before that if it's set in a controller
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<neohunter> can i call a method inside a module without including into a class?
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<blahwoop> baweaver: how about if the type of cuisines matter? where i dont want a japanese meal to be picked again the next day
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<baweaver> >> module Foo; def self.bar 1 end end; Foo.bar
<ruboto> baweaver # => /tmp/execpad-3b53110b55a7/source-3b53110b55a7:2: syntax error, unexpected tINTEGER, expecting ';' or ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322002)
<baweaver> >> module Foo; def self.bar; 1 end end; Foo.bar
<ruboto> baweaver # => 1 (https://eval.in/322003)
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<baweaver> semicolons on here...
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<sevenseacat> blahwoop: thats not really random then
<baweaver> Keep state of what the last meal type was.
<baweaver> that too
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<AirStar> when ruby is used mainly?
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<baweaver> AirStar: Look it up on Google, that's too broad of a question.
<blahwoop> sevenseacat: thats true. maximum randomness is the goal. and not being too predictable
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<AirStar> yeah
<baweaver> like having different providers than yesterday?
<AirStar> :(
<baweaver> AirStar: Better question is what are you trying to do
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<baweaver> narrow the scope of your questions a bit.
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<blahwoop> sevenseacat: there are different amounts of the cuisines so it could be 10 itialian 2 british 5 chinese 2 korean. try to make a menu of 1 meal a day where it is spaced out enough that it isn't repeated too quickly. recipes can only be used one
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<AirStar> i don’t know baweaver, i have no idea now. just studying
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<baweaver> You need to find that answer first.
<baweaver> Then we can help more.
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<baweaver> blahwoop: So not random then
<AirStar> yeah
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<baweaver> AirStar: www.codewars.com/r/tEVjnQ
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<blahwoop> yes baweaver
<AirStar> baweaver: what is it?
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<neohunter> I need to call a code in ApplicationController before all the beforeFilters, what can i do
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<sevenseacat> append_before_filter .
<sevenseacat> prepend, sorry
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<baweaver> AirStar: a code problem site to train a bit on
<baweaver> get a feel for the language
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<AirStar> thanks baweaver
<baweaver> then decide what sounds like fun to try doing after getting familiar with it
<neohunter> sevenseacat thanks, yes think is in that some controllers I already have prepend_before_filter, and those actions seems to be executed befoer the one I define on applicationController
<sevenseacat> then order matters
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<sevenseacat> ones defined earlier will be run earlier
<sevenseacat> and stop getting into filter hell
<neohunter> sevenseacat: can i add it to initialize method of application controller?
<sevenseacat> time to refactor! :)
<sevenseacat> no.
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<baweaver> blahwoop: then keep a state going of the last meal served
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<baweaver> >> meals = {american: [1,2,3,4], thai: [1,2,3], korean: [1,2,3]}; last_m = :american; meals.reject {|k,v| k == last_m}
<ruboto> baweaver # => {:thai=>[1, 2, 3], :korean=>[1, 2, 3]} (https://eval.in/322009)
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<baweaver> then do some sample / pop action on the meals
<baweaver> and meals wasn't modified by that reject
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<coetry> If i assigned a new proc to a variable and i would like to have several procs assigned to variables and feed them through a list which i enumerate and then call inside a block, how may i do so?
<coetry> like if name = Procc.new {|name| puts "Whattup #{name}"}
<coetry> %w(name).each {|x| x.call "param"}
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<Radar> coetry: [name].each
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<Radar> coetry: %w() is for strings in an array
<Radar> >> %w(one two three)
<ruboto> Radar # => ["one", "two", "three"] (https://eval.in/322016)
<coetry> Radar, ahh that makes sense, hmmm
<coetry> is there syntactic sugar for a list of functions?
<coetry> i'm feeling lispy
<coetry> :)
<Radar> Everything in Ruby is an Object
<Radar> There is only sugar for a list of objects
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<Radar> [name, something, something_else]
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<coetry> thank you
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<baweaver> >> p1=->x{x+1};x1=->x{x*1};[p1,x1].reduce(5){|a,fn| fn[a]}
<ruboto> baweaver # => 6 (https://eval.in/322017)
* baweaver whistles
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<baweaver> >> stream = -> fns, i { fns.reduce(i) { |a,fn| fn[a] } }; stream[[->x{x+1}, ->x{x*2}], 5]
<ruboto> baweaver # => 12 (https://eval.in/322018)
<baweaver> coetry: ^^^
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<baweaver> https://github.com/baweaver/streamable - also that, because fun.
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<pipework> coetry: methods are objects too.
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<neohunter> in string is << equal to += ?
<neohunter> im adding to a string 10000 times using += and it take about 11 seconds, and adding with << takes less than the half
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<sevenseacat> theyre not equal, no.
<sevenseacat> one creates a new string, one does not.
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<apeiros> neohunter: << mutates the existing string
<apeiros> >> a = "hi"; b = a; a << " there"; b
<ruboto> apeiros # => "hi there" (https://eval.in/322027)
<apeiros> >> a = "hi"; b = a; a += " there"; b
<ruboto> apeiros # => "hi" (https://eval.in/322028)
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<zotherstupidguy> i would like to capture all () () () inside a string "hello (data1) cool (data2) sfsf (data3) sfasf"
<zotherstupidguy> best way to do it, regex?
<mozzarella> yes
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<zotherstupidguy> i got this \((...)\) so far , but it only captures the last ()
<jhass> [^)]+
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<zotherstupidguy> jhass doesn't work
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<apeiros> zotherstupidguy: what method do you use?
<jhass> sure it does
<apeiros> and jhass means /\([^)]+\)/
<zotherstupidguy> no method, i am working on the ruby regex, later shall use gsub?
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<apeiros> i.e. [^)]+ instead of ...
<jhass> >> "someone is (inthe) super (owsdf) trying to (Ddf)".scan /\(([^)]+)\)/
<ruboto> jhass # => [["inthe"], ["owsdf"], ["Ddf"]] (https://eval.in/322029)
<zotherstupidguy> jhass well thats awesome! such a sheer power =) =)
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<zotherstupidguy> ok, i almost forget why i wanted to extract them in the first place, but now i know how lol
<zotherstupidguy> how can i learn more about ruby regex?
<apeiros> ri Regexp
<apeiros> you know ri, right?
<zotherstupidguy> yea
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<zotherstupidguy> but i kinda thought it is limited??
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<apeiros> and how many things do you know which are not limited?
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<zotherstupidguy> good point, still regex is a mystery,
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<apeiros> ri Regexp in newer rubies is quite extensive
<zotherstupidguy> can't i open it in vim and read?
<zotherstupidguy> regex crosswords :D
<apeiros> zotherstupidguy: the docs are generated from source - so if you have the sourcecode, sure
<zotherstupidguy> i have the source
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<apeiros> by the power of the source, you have the power!
<zotherstupidguy> lol
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<zotherstupidguy> now wht shoul i grep from the source?
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<emocakes> grok everything
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<apeiros> zotherstupidguy: presumably a file with "regex" in its name :)
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<shevy> yoooo
<shevy> how is everyone!
<shevy> jhass are you still on crystal or already on crack now :>
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<jhass> rack for crystal? yeah I thought about doing it
<apeiros> oh my, lol
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<pontiki> o/
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<shevy> lol
<apeiros> howdy pontiki
<gizmore> i smoke beer!!! *kiddings*
<shevy> didn't know of that name before.... c from crystal, rack from ruby ... crack \o/
<pontiki> hard to roll one
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<zotherstupidguy> shevyyy =)
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<shevy> hey other guy
<shevy> your nick is awfully long man
<zotherstupidguy> its kinda stupid
<shevy> hehe
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<pontiki> it's kinda funny
<jhass> zosg - just abbreviate it
<zotherstupidguy> i take maintaing my cyber identiy very seriously
<zotherstupidguy> i like it long and stupid
<zotherstupidguy> but you are welcome to call me zosg =)
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<hanmac> shevy call it "rgwca" = "rubygem without cool acronym" ;P
<pontiki> julie brown fan?
<shevy> zotherstupidguy I shortened mine a while ago from shevegen to shevy. I think short is beautiful when it comes to IRC nicks
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<zotherstupidguy> well mine was theotherstupidguy, then i discovered that some services doesn't allow such a long name, so i had to go with the z
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<shevy> jhass is short, hanmac is short, apeiros is beginning to oversize though... but it's still ok. pontiki - same amount of characters as apeiros so same verdict (actually, apeiros sometimes enlarges his nick by appending a _ thus making an apeiros clone... the apieroses blues brothers)
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<shevy> yeah they tell you "man it's too long!"
<zotherstupidguy> we are comparing nick sizes :D
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<tamouse__> this is my other nick
<shevy> there was some wiki... moinwiki I think. or php-wiki
<shevy> I had to use one capitalized character in the middle
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<hanmac> shevy: hm is the plural "apieroses" or more "apierosi" ? ;P
<shevy> so my login back then was: "SheVegen" I hated that I was forced to such an upcased variant
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<shevy> hanmac probably with the i
<shevy> mafioso ... mafiosi!
<shevy> apeiroso... apeirosi!
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<pontiki> but this is what i use now
<shevy> pontiki so a mouse nick
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<zotherstupidguy> nothing beats, havinwood
<hanmac> shevy hm that maybe is not a coincidence ;P
<shevy> don't let sevenseacat find out that you are a mouse in disguise
<shevy> zotherstupidguy havenwood? :D
<zotherstupidguy> yeah
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<pontiki> pontiki means "mouse" in greek
<shevy> hmm
<pontiki> not so disguised
<shevy> I always thought pontiki was some native american
<zotherstupidguy> pontiki are you from greece?
<pontiki> i am not
<shevy> but perhaps I mix that up with pocahontas... who probably was not even a native american either...
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<zotherstupidguy> there is no plato on irc?
<pontiki> it's actually ποντίκι
<apeiros> shevy: apeirae is the plural of apeiros, afaik
<pontiki> but anglicised
<sevenseacat> damn i wish true and false responded to .true? and .false?
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<zotherstupidguy> alias method and you got it
<apeiros> sevenseacat: refinements to the rescue?
<zotherstupidguy> is refinements still in?
<apeiros> yes
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<apeiros> I'm just using them for the first time in a project. I have my issues with them, but I want to see how it works out.
<pontiki> a monkey with a monocle and top hat :)
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> we should not use monkeys
<shevy> we should use fierce animals like lions, tigers and mice
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<pontiki> mouse patching just doesn't have the same cachet
<shevy> the syntax for refinements put me off so far :(
<shevy> haha true
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<zotherstupidguy> you guys wanna see somthing really werid?
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<zotherstupidguy> writing this code should be delegated to programs not humans
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<ddv> provide a patch, zotherstupidguy
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<zotherstupidguy> for what, sanity?
<talus46> greetings
<shevy> YES
<shevy> sanity wants to be patched as well man
<pontiki> patching sanity could possibly seen as engaging in denialism :D
<zotherstupidguy> i wonder who commited this =)
<pontiki> that module has some astounding regexen
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<zotherstupidguy> pontiki YEAH!
<zotherstupidguy> both contributors are from japan
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<mpycio> HI all, I’m trying to write a capistrano recipe but failing sith simple if staement, ruby begineer
<shevy> if is simple
<shevy> if condition
<shevy> do_something_here
<shevy> end
<shevy> well, I almost got the indent right ;)
<mpycio> I’m trying to detect if stage is equal to a string, so stage is a symbol :stage, but :stage.to_s == “testing” is always false, but “#{stage}” shows testing
<pontiki> !code
<helpa> We cannot help you with your problem if you don't show us your code. Please put it on http://gist.github.com and give us the URL so we can see it.
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<shevy> you can call .to_s to convert an object into its string representation mpycio
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<shevy> however, :stage.to_s will always be "stage" and never "testing"
<shevy> perhaps you meant stage.to_s?
<pontiki> symbols are not variables
<mpycio> maybe I do, let me check :-)
* pontiki pontikificates
<shevy> in ruby you need sharp eyes, there is only one char difference between :stage and stage
<zotherstupidguy> * lol
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<shevy> my favourite typo is this one here:
<shevy> def intialize
<zotherstupidguy> def init works?
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<mpycio> I don;t understand why it is false in output as in gist?
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<shevy> zotherstupidguy hmm no... only "def initialize" works
<zotherstupidguy> shevy yeah i checked
<shevy> or you could "alias init initialize"
<mpycio> I’m just being silly, used branch where I wanted stage symbol
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<zotherstupidguy> shevy exactly, wanna patch it ?? =)
<shevy> well mpycio
<shevy> it really is simple
<shevy> the check you use here:
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<shevy> stage == "testing"
<shevy> means that stage is not "testing"
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<jhass> mpycio: use .inspect / p
<shevy> that also means that:
<shevy> stage = "#{fetch(:stage)}"
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<shevy> can not have returned the string "testing"
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<shevy> so you should find out what: fetch(:stage) actually gives you
<mpycio> yes I did convert it to string, is this best way to compare strings though?
<jhass> mpycio: puts and #{} don't show the actual value, use p / .inspect
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<shevy> mpycio yeah. if you use #{} then it automatically calls .to_s on it
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<mpycio> cool, thank you shevy, I think I got it all working now
<shevy> so quickly?
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<shevy> you can't be a newbie then :-)
<mpycio> interesting idea those symbols
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<shevy> symbols will always have the same object_id
<mpycio> my background is php :-) not used to cool languages like ruby
<shevy> >> :foo.object_id.to_s + :foo.object_id.to_s + "foo".object_id.to_s + "foo".object_id.to_s
<ruboto> shevy # => "417458417458539508030540876780" (https://eval.in/322032)
<shevy> oops
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<shevy> that wasn't a good idea for formatting hahaha
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<shevy> I used php before too
<shevy> I was more productive in php than I was in perl :)
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<shevy> ruby is a lot more adaptable than php though
<shevy> alias e puts; e 'Hello world!' or as I also do, use e for colour-related output on the commandline
<shevy> KDE konsole allows R,G,B values, which makes for nice colours
<Selinda> Do you use unless instead of if ! in Ruby?
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<pontiki> if it reads well, Selinda
<pontiki> and there's no else clause needed
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<zotherstupidguy> shevy i don't think this is kde-only thing
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<shevy> zotherstupidguy hmm which terminals have R,G,B support too? I tried with xterm but it did not seem to work
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<zotherstupidguy> colors can be generated easily in any console, it just ascii thing
<shevy> for RGB colours? are you sure?
<jhass> Selinda: and if there's an else clause it's usually better to swap them instead of using if !
<pontiki> just the 16 ansi colours
<Selinda> jhass, What do you mean?
<mpycio> shevy , I’ve tried learnig perls as my first language. 2nd chaprer was about regular expressions I gave up programming for 2 years agter that :-)
<apeiros> 256 colors on better terminals
<zotherstupidguy> shevy what i remmber is i wrote some commandline tool that generated colorful output, it worked well in gnome-terminal and lxdtermal , also backcolor can be doen in ascii
<jhass> Selinda: if !c; do_a else do_b end -> if c; do_b else do_a end
<shevy> Selinda I usually prefer "if", and also "if !" because it negates with one char.. and is shorter than unless. but I also use unless sometimes, so it is strange....
<pontiki> xterm-256color
<zotherstupidguy> mpycio whats the name of hte book?
<shevy> I found that my brain takes longer at "unless" rather than "if !"; but actually, I try to use only "if" is possible, and then an "else" for the other condition, if that works
<Selinda> jhass, I asked if unless is used instead of if !
<Selinda> shevy, Ah I see.
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<shevy> pontiki hmm good idea... I am going to test this today with xterm-256color :)
<mpycio> that was almost 15 years ago , but I think that was the O’Reilly animal series L0(
<pontiki> i was just echoing apeiros
<jhass> Selinda: yes, and you've been told that it's the case unless there's an else, and I added to that
<zotherstupidguy> shevy can you do copy/paste in xterm?
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<shevy> zotherstupidguy how do you mean, the coloured output from that script?
<shevy> or the ascii values
<shevy> let me check anyway
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<Selinda> jhass, There is no need to add, I have been using ifs for the past decade.
<shevy> puts "\e[38;2;106;90;205mhello world\e[39;49m"
<shevy> ^^^ this should be slateblue "hello world"
<shevy> oh cool
<shevy> that string seems to work in xterm
<shevy> now I am confused
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<pontiki> shevy: echo $TERM
<shevy> yeah, outputs just "xterm"
<shevy> I could wear this did not work a year or two or so ago.... hmm
<shevy> *swear, not wear
<jhass> Selinda: forgive me that I don't do extensive stalking before giving advice then
<shevy> zotherstupidguy hmm these colours there seem to be the standard though, right?
<shevy> but slateblue is non-standard, and also works. I am really confused
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<shevy> oh no wait
<zotherstupidguy> the link on top is down, but i think you can do a lot
<shevy> I am so dumb...
<shevy> it does not work
<shevy> :)
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<shevy> oops
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<zotherstupidguy> jhass lol
<shevy> slateblue is like royalblue, so at least TERM=xterm does not work
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<zotherstupidguy> are we sure it is not a shell thing ?
<shevy> what do you mean
<shevy> those are the 16 default colours right?
<shevy> with the default "html colours", like slateblue, in RGB form, I already have 138
<zotherstupidguy> ok,
<shevy> http://shevegen.square7.ch/screenshot.png now with numbers :)
<shevy> however you are also right
<shevy> that article mentions 256 colors
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* zotherstupidguy the BBT epidode where they never got anything done because they always branch to a sub problem =)
<shevy> so it must be possible. I'll find out later the evening, now I'm going to eat something
<zotherstupidguy> big bang thoery fan?
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<pontiki> zotherstupidguy: that's just yak shaving
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<zotherstupidguy> pontiki what does yak shaving mean?
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<zotherstupidguy> pontiki wow
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<zotherstupidguy> pontiki thank you for that,
<zotherstupidguy> pontiki do you know what catch-22 means?
<pontiki> good lord
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<pontiki> do you know the *author* of catch-22?
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<zotherstupidguy> i know there is a book, but i didnt go as far as who the author is
<pontiki> alright then tell me the main character's name
<zotherstupidguy> no no, i never read the book
<pontiki> author: joeseph heller
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<pontiki> character: yosarian
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<zotherstupidguy> you liked the book?
<pontiki> the catch-22 was also the inspiration for corporal klinger in M*A*S*H
<pontiki> eventually
<pontiki> heller's not an easy read
<zotherstupidguy> its all about the content
<zotherstupidguy> i find it hard to read 10 thousand years of solitude, but easy to read philosphy books
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<pontiki> zotherstupidguy: you should probably stay away from thomas pynchon, then
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<zotherstupidguy> pontiki never heard of him O.o
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<pontiki> author of "Gravity's Rainbow". some call it the best american novel ever written. most find it difficult to read, most never finish it
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<zotherstupidguy> i read comics sometimes! transmetropolitan comic
<pontiki> oh gods, that's the BEST
<zotherstupidguy> i recommend it =)
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<DaniG2k> hey guys I am creating a ruby gem locally and I'd like to push it to my git repo
<pontiki> HST as reimagined by Ellis
<DaniG2k> do i need to first make the repo on github?
<DaniG2k> and then push?
<DaniG2k> or is there a command that will automatically create the repo for me?
<pontiki> DaniG2k: take a look at 'hub' -- basically a git that includes github control
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<pontiki> you can say `hub create` within your local repo and it will create the github repo for you
<zotherstupidguy> DaniG2k you don't push a gem to the repo you push the gem source. gems goes to somthing like rubygems.org
<pontiki> they don't have to
<DaniG2k> zotherstupidguy: right, id like to push the gem source
<pontiki> you can bundle a gem from github, too
<DaniG2k> zotherstupidguy: how can I do that? Create the git repo and then git init and push?
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<pontiki> i must be on /ignore
<zotherstupidguy> yeah you can do your own gemserver! but pushing the .gem files not recommended
<DaniG2k> pontiki: i read it ;) Thanks
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<zotherstupidguy> DaniG2k the only way i know how is from github's UI, you just create a repo , then get the ssh url of it, the do ` git clone (url)`, then add your files then done.
<DaniG2k> zotherstupidguy: ok cool :) thats all i wanted to know
<DaniG2k> thanks
<zotherstupidguy> also you can create a repo, then update your remote repo url in the gitconfig file and push to it
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<zotherstupidguy> if there is a way to create a github repo from console, let me know =)
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<pontiki> jeepers
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<zotherstupidguy> pontiki nice!
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<pontiki> like i said back here:
<pontiki> 04:40 < DaniG2k> or is there a command that will automatically create the repo for me?
<pontiki> 04:40 < pontiki> DaniG2k: take a look at 'hub' -- basically a git that includes github control
<zotherstupidguy> yeah sorry we missed that
<zotherstupidguy> https://hub.github.com/
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<zotherstupidguy> its very interesting gem!
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<zotherstupidguy> should been made by github!
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<pontiki> zotherstupidguy: it was...
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<platzhirsch> Guys, what would you say are the coolest changes in Ruby since 1.9.3 ? Like the top three
<apeiros> yo girl, for me it's probably kwargs and GCable symbols. refinements still have to prove their worth.
<platzhirsch> kw args?
<apeiros> keyword arguments
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<platzhirsch> thanks
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<platzhirsch> what about lazy evaluation?
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<apeiros> almost never use it and could do before when needed
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<quazimodo> hrm
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<quazimodo> ls
<quazimodo> oops
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<quazimodo> hey can we notify of method call without monkeypatching or overriding?
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<quazimodo> kind of like observer pattern minus the def whatever; super; notify_boobs; end
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<apeiros> quazimodo: the "boobs" part is unnecessary. please don't do that.
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<apeiros> and to answer your question: I'm not aware of a way without either redefining the method or wrapping the object
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<quazimodo> apeiros: that.... is unfortunate
<toretore> def send?
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<toretore> __send, public_send, whatever
<quazimodo> toretore: talking to me?
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<toretore> >> class Foo; def bar; p 'hello'; end; def __send__(*a); p a; super; end; end; Foo.new.bar
<ruboto> toretore # => /tmp/execpad-7cf445c9fb47/source-7cf445c9fb47:2: warning: redefining `__send__' may cause serious pr ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322055)
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<apeiros> toretore: __send__ is not invoked in normal method dispatch
<toretore> i guess not
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<apeiros> there have been plans for def meth:pre, meth:wrap and meth:post, for AOP style programming. but nothing came of this :(
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<quazimodo> apeiros: i don't know if it's a good idea
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<quazimodo> i suppose it opens up the option of weird sideeffects
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<quazimodo> coincidentally
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<toretore> also an extra step to each method call, making everything slower
<quazimodo> how does one replicate the arg signature of a method that we override?
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<apeiros> I don't think it'd be any slower than say inherited methods
<apeiros> quazimodo: def foo(*args, &block); original(*args, &block); …
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<SuperTaz> I've generally done what you want with a little pseudoprogamming magic, basically a method that creates a hidden method from the original and replaces the original with a method that calls the new method and the callback handler for the observer
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<SuperTaz> it requires some knowledge of pseudoprogramming, but you can basically write a method that allows you to transparently apply the pattern to any method on any object
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<apeiros> SuperTaz: I think the term you want is metaprogramming, not pseudo- ;-)
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<SuperTaz> yes...it's 5am
<SuperTaz> 4am
<SuperTaz> lol
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<SuperTaz> looking for an example of how I did it...it's been a while
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<SuperTaz> I think I did it in attribute-kit
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<SuperTaz> I think I did it in attribute_hash.rb in attribute-kit
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<SuperTaz> anyway, have a look, it's well-documented and does some metatprogramming magic that should get you started with how to do it, even though, on review, I don't think I did exactly what you're looking for in that project
<SuperTaz> keep in mind it's also old
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<SuperTaz> okay...heading to bed now, since my brain is apparently not using the words I intend it to ;) nite nite!
<apeiros> gn8
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<SuperTaz> should quazimodo return, feel free to indicate s/he should scroll or regurgitate the URL
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<shevy> how long does it take you guys to find a bug in your codebase in ruby (if it is a big codebase), and how long to fix it then?
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<apeiros> shevy: so far I've had everything from knowing immediately upon reading the exception to ~2 weeks.
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<shevy> apeiros hmm in your own codebase though? what was the problem with the bugs that took you longer to find?
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<apeiros> ~200k lines of potentially offending code
<apeiros> and the bug being threading related
<shevy> whoa
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<shevy> ok... then I am nowhere close to that yet, I think the biggest library or rather collection I have was around ~10k codes maximum
<apeiros> actually more, since it wasn't clear whether it was an active record bug, an oci8 (oracle driver) bug, an oracle-advanced adapter bug, or a bug in our code base.
<apeiros> no idea how many lines of code AR + oci8 + oracle-advanced adapter is, though
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<jlbhshluekg> .
<jlbhshluekg> did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
<jlbhshluekg> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
<jlbhshluekg> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
<jlbhshluekg> .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
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<apeiros> !kick jlbhshluekg wrong channel
<helpa> apeiros: No.
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<Papierkorb> /r/conspiracy
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<jlbhshluekg> .
<jlbhshluekg> did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
<jlbhshluekg> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
<jlbhshluekg> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
<jlbhshluekg> .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
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<Papierkorb> what's a ruby 'unit spec'?
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<jhass> nothing clearly defined, what's the context?
<Papierkorb> http://www.zenspider.com/Languages/Ruby/QuickRef.html talks about using it in tests
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<hanmac> Papierkorb: hm it could be explained better, but that means testing with the "rspec" gem
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<hanmac> as far as it seems
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<jhass> hanmac: Papierkorb no, that's minitest
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<jhass> Papierkorb: do you know unit tests?
<hanmac> hm i not like minitest ... i prefer test-unit or rspec
<Papierkorb> jhass: From other languages, yes
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<jhass> Papierkorb: you could say spec is a DSL to write them
<Papierkorb> ok, thanks
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<jhass> hanmac: isn't test-unit just a wrapper around minitest these days?
<hanmac> jhass: hm i dont think so ... i need to checkout ... but test-unit GEM is way more power full than minitest
<jhass> I bet zenspider concurs :P
<apeiros> hanmac: test-unit is dead, though
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<hanmac> apeiros: it its? hm okay i didnt know about that ... but imo minitest are way to powerless for me ... then i would prefer rspec
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<jhass> hanmac: what do you miss from minitest?
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<apeiros> afaik minitest has all that test-unit had
<jhass> and half of what rspec has :D
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<jhass> (read, all you gonna need regularly)
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<jhass> hanmac: that seems to be a long search...
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<shevy> I wanna do something silly
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<jhass> shevy: okay, did you watch salad fingers yet?
<shevy> hmm no... but the title alone scares me
<shevy> salad ...
<jhass> hf
<shevy> I am a bit scared to click on that... hanmac could you do for me please? :)
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<shevy> last time I clicked on a link from banister, I had nightmares for days to come
<sevenseacat> lol
<shevy> on a side note, do we have any statistics about ruby users + their editors?
<shevy> sevenseacat what editor do cats use?
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<sevenseacat> sublime text.
<sevenseacat> there was a question on the ruby survey about editors iirc
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<hanmac> for small stuff i use gedit, for big stuff i use eclipse
<cats> idk I use Atom ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<shevy> hanmac eclipse for ruby?
<sevenseacat> question about editors on there
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<shevy> cool link, thanks kittie
<shevy> "What is your indentation preference?"
<shevy> 6% unbelievers!
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<hanmac> shevy yes because my project is 90% C++ and 10% ruby
<shevy> wow, 36% sublimists
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<sevenseacat> \m/ sublime
<shevy> 38% vimsters, almost 5% emacsters
<wasamasa> shocking
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<shevy> even more use atom than emacs... now that is interesting
<shevy> "How would you rate your Ruby expertise?"
<shevy> ok guys
<shevy> who of you here is not yet an Expert?
<sevenseacat> <--
<cats> not me definitely lol
<Papierkorb> used ruby on and off for a good month
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<shevy> me neither... I would be too embarassed when being unable to answer some interview question
<shevy> Papierkorb one month? but you have used another programming language before?
<cats> my biggest problem is writing unclean code
<shevy> hehe
<cats> my code is just so...messy lol
<shevy> yeah
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<Papierkorb> shevy: A ton of languages tbh, but I stuck with C++/Qt for the past 4 or 5 years
<shevy> cats I still feel in many ways similar, but I think what helps is discipline and consistency
<Musashi007> that’s funny - one of my favorite things to do is clean up code
<cats> yeah
<shevy> pretty high adoption rate
<shevy> "What version of Ruby are you currently using?"
<shevy> in 2015 already, 41.4% use ruby 2.2.x
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<Papierkorb> Does actually the editor matter a lot for ruby? I mean without code completion I'll stick to Kate ..
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<jhass> it doesn't
<shevy> dunno, but someone on #emn wanted to change editors recently, and found an editor "brackets" some days ago; and found sublime just today
<Papierkorb> For typed languages there's a huge difference, and I wish I had a IDE which would just tell what I can do ..
<shevy> Papierkorb I use a crappy editor myself, kate may possibly be better. I don't know why I did not use kate, I think I used it last in the kde 3.x era and hated the whole feel of it
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<shevy> I'd love to be able to cherry pick features from different editors
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<Gondei> Do you use #!usr/bin/env ruby anymore on the top of your files?
<jhass> Gondei: I use #!/usr/bin/env ruby for the very few that should be executables
<Gondei> jhass, Hm, what does that mean?
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<jhass> it means that I write little ruby code that I want to run directly as ./foo
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<Gondei> jhass, I see
<Gondei> I kinda like Ruby currently learning it
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<Gondei> So much easier than the other languages, or at least how it currently feels.
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<Papierkorb> dafuq, Celluloid decided to create 1000 native threads.
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<shevy> Gondei I use a hardlink towards /System/Executables/ruby which is a symlink towards /Programs/Ruby/VERSION_HERE
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<jhass> Gondei: ignore ^ though, it'll only ever work on shevy's system
<shevy> it will work on all gobolinux setups
<shevy> and how can you infer that any other system must have /usr/bin/env anyway? :>
<jhass> somebody besides you runs that?
<jhass> shevy: isn't that POSIX?
<shevy> unfortunately not enough
<shevy> no it is not POSIX
<shevy> show me where :>
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<jhass> gnu coreutils at least
<jhass> and FHS
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<shevy> FHS yes
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<shevy> I wonder how nixos solve this
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> looks as if they have a /usr/bin/env ... perhaps
<shevy> <Fuuzetsu> shevy: /usr/bin/env is the only thing under /usr/bin so they may
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<shevy> they also have had some other compatibility link for /bin/bash I think
<shevy> "The Open Group Base Specifications Issue 7"
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<Gondei> jhass, An irrelevant question, but can I start with rails if I know little ruby?
<shevy> what you all do find jhass - I never even heard that before :)
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<jhass> Gondei: yes you can, but I would only recommend that if you have prior experience with MVC based webframeworks, else you have to learn too many new concepts at once and can't properly digest what's rails and what's ruby
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<Gondei> jhass, Unfortunately I have not have experience with MVC :/ What would you suggest?
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<jhass> learn Ruby first
<Gondei> jhass, To what degree?
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<jhass> be at least confident about what classes, modules, objects, blocks & procs are
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<Gondei> jhass, I have previous experience with classes from other languages.
<jhass> also be confident with Array, Hash & Enumerable
<Gondei> jhass, Also arrays.
<Gondei> And enums.
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<jhass> enums != Enumerable
<jhass> the replacement concept for enums in Ruby are Symbols, largely
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<Gondei> jhass, I see. Well, how many years should I give ruby you think?
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<Gondei> jhass, Oh okey :)
<jhass> and I mean the specific classes, Ruby puts a lot of power into them
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<jhass> eloquent ruby is a generally recommended book, I didn't read it personally
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<Gondei> jhass, I see. Well, do you think there will be need for multiple books? I just ordered this one.
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<Gondei> jhass, If I'm interested in rails.
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<jhass> a rails book can't harm, though the online guides will get you up and running
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<Gondei> jhass, I was referring to ruby. I just bought Eloquent ruby and wonder if I will need more books than just this one to get me started with rails.
<jhass> probably not
<Gondei> jhass, Also want to say that I have previous experience in programming.
<Gondei> jhass, I see.
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<BlaXpirit_> What is a thorough overview of the features of the language? I don't want: beginner tutorials, interactivity/exercises, rails
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<ruboto> jhass, I will remember that quickref is http://www.zenspider.com/Languages/Ruby/QuickRef.html
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<jhass> BlaXpirit_: ^
<BlaXpirit_> thanks
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<BlaXpirit_> hmm, I'd like something more detailed
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<jhass> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.2/ check the Files section and Array, Hash & Enumerable as the most important classes that make Ruby powerful
<BlaXpirit_> I guess what I really need in addition to this is the most important functionality of the standard library
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<quazimodo> can someone humour me
<quazimodo> i've been thinking abouth this for a few hours and haven't even dented the problem
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<quazimodo> what's the most non invasive way to be notified of a method being called?
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<sevenseacat> quazimodo: wrap it with your own method?
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<jhass> ^ + possibly observer pattern
<havenwood> quazimodo: Familiar with Observable?: http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib/libdoc/observer/rdoc/Observable.html
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<colorisco> what means this error
<quazimodo> sevenseacat: so i'm either subclassing or decorating
<colorisco> PG::ConnectionBad: PQconsumeInput() server closed the connection unexpectedly This probably means the server terminated abnormally before or while processing the request.
<colorisco> why does it appear
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<sevenseacat> huh, i didnt know observable was in the stdlib
<jhass> colorisco: inform me if you find out! Somebody else had it recently and we couldn't figure out
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<quazimodo> is it possible to dynamically rename a method?
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<sevenseacat> i've only ever seen that error when i was sharing a db connection in rspec tests
<jhass> quazimodo: sort of, you'd alias_method it and then remove_method or something
<sevenseacat> not a good idea, sharing a db connection
<greedo> yes quazimodo
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<jhass> quazimodo: though look into Module#prepend as a possibly better alternative to renaming
<colorisco> jhass, full error stack http://pastie.org/10123663
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<jhass> greedo: huh? that code runs?
<ytti> they should have used ruby, would have avoided this bug!
<greedo> yup jhass
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<ytti> clearly 32b signed counter, at 1/100th of a second, which overflew
<jhass> greedo: test.rb:10:in `<main>': undefined method `yo' for #<Shoutout:0x00000000f94318> (NoMethodError) like I expected
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<greedo> hold on jhass
<greedo> I have a version that works I believe
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<greedo> but i think you get the idea
<jhass> not quite tbh
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<jhass> greedo: well, the interesting part is how to call the original method
<greedo> ?
<quazimodo> back
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<greedo> that example works
<quazimodo> I don't have the opition to wrap
<quazimodo> so i must do something
<quazimodo> i need to replace
<greedo> ah
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<quazimodo> greedo: sure
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<quazimodo> ok how about this
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<quazimodo> hrm
<quazimodo> you guys are cool
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<quazimodo> i think i'm learning
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<quazimodo> module#prepend will work!
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<shevy> anyone of you using ruby on windows a lot?
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<shevy> I wonder what all I should do to make ruby nicer to use on windows... it feels so awful compared to linux
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<jhass> quazimodo: had some fun :P http://paste.mrzyx.de/pzrzwp0g6
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<dudedudeman> shevy: if i had to use ruby on windows, i would just keep doing what i'm doing, and thgat's using cloud9 as my 'ide'
<jhass> shevy: install virtualbox & a linux vm
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<greedo> very nice example jhass
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<quazimodo> jhass: i want to override any method a user declares, and observe it
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<quazimodo> that way I can get it to communicate to my observer
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<quazimodo> jhass: almost exactly that
<jhass> do observe_calls *instance_methods(false) below the method definitions :D
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<quazimodo> jhass: maybe
<quazimodo> i need to see what observable's doing
<shevy> dudedudeman hmm I am not sure I understand this. cloud9 as IDE?
<quazimodo> i dont know how it works internaly
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<dudedudeman> shevy: c9.io
<jhass> it's just the observer pattern
<quazimodo> and i'd like to try it without using observable
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<quazimodo> jhass: man
<quazimodo> that's exactly what i was gonna do
<quazimodo> make a new module
<dudedudeman> shevy: it's basically just a vm that you can set up a development environment in, but it's a full fledge text editor as well. has vim modes, sublime modes, all sorts of features.
<quazimodo> define instance methods
<quazimodo> plonk them ontop of the original object
<quazimodo> via prepend
<quazimodo> damn you so much faster programmy than I
<jhass> yap, Rails 5 will drop alias_method_chain in favor of Module#prepend
<jhass> it's great
<quazimodo> still dno why we need observable here
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<jhass> so the logic doing the overloads doesn't need to know who's interested
<quazimodo> whatcha mean?
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<jhass> you don't really need it, it just decouples that code from anything else
<quazimodo> hrm ok
<shevy> dudedudeman hmm and it is easy to setup and use? I can setup things on linux these days, but I am too dumb for windows unless it's like a click event
<quazimodo> i'll read it
<shevy> dudedudeman oh wait, that is in the browser?
<shevy> because if so then I can manage
<quazimodo> jhass: right i see
<quazimodo> you include observable so that you can just do notify_observers
<jhass> yup
<greedo> this is a better design pattern than I had
<quazimodo> jhass: *hug*
<dudedudeman> shevy: yep! it works really well out of the box, and they have a free option. i use it exclusively because i work at home, and on downtime at work
<quazimodo> i dnot know if I'll need t
<quazimodo> but
<quazimodo> awesome stuff
<quazimodo> *big hug*
<jhass> yw, and yeah it's a bit contrived but fun :D
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<quazimodo> hrm
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<quazimodo> do i need to defin ethe original methods argument signature?
<jhass> no, *args, &block takes it all
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<quazimodo> and the call to super passes whatever super actualy wants
<quazimodo> cool
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<jhass> quazimodo: more dark magic :D http://paste.mrzyx.de/pfddwppfo
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<centrx> Stalker Observes Thingy
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<quazimodo> jhass:
<quazimodo> it's working!
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<jhass> quazimodo: I'm still not sure I'd like to see it in prod code tbh :D
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<apeiros> I would
<apeiros> but then again, I just want to see it all crash and burn :D
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<Papierkorb> Anyone knows how I could terminate the process when all Celluloid actors are finished?
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<apeiros> `kill -9 #{$$}`
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<quazimodo> jhass: i don't get it
<quazimodo> define_singleton_method
<apeiros> Papierkorb: which process? why do you need to manually terminate it? context man!
<quazimodo> does that define on the eigenclass?
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<jhass> quazimodo: yes, and let's call it singleton class since that's what core calls it these days
<quazimodo> eigenclass is more mathemagical sounding :(
<quazimodo> but yeah
<Papierkorb> apeiros: The ruby process. I have something like the 'main' actor doing stuff and then it starts a bunch of other actors from a pool. So, when no actor is doing anything anymore, I want that the ruby process exits
<quazimodo> jhass: so, we werecreating a new module each time before
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<quazimodo> so that we didn't gummy up the "ObservableMethods" module
<apeiros> Papierkorb: I bet it's documented by celluloid how to spin it down.
<quazimodo> here we're making one mod = Module.newthough
<jhass> quazimodo: for each observe_calls, yeah
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<Papierkorb> apeiros: You'd think! They only tell you how to keep the main thread open so the process doesn't quit though
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<quazimodo> oh yes
<apeiros> Papierkorb: then stop keeping the main thread open?
<quazimodo> each object that includes ObservableMethods will get a new module
<quazimodo> so
<Papierkorb> apeiros: then the process quits immediately
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<quazimodo> why are we defining on the singleton rather than on the mod directly?
<apeiros> Papierkorb: sounds like what you wanted?
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<Papierkorb> which takes everything down, including the non-finished actors
<apeiros> Papierkorb: so your "the ruby process" was unspecific and you have more than one?
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<quazimodo> oh wait
<Papierkorb> apeiros: I have one process but many threads.
<quazimodo> jhass: is this working for *all* method calls?
<apeiros> Papierkorb: you realize that threads != processes?
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<Papierkorb> apeiros: .. that's what I'm saying?!
<umgrosscol> Oh jeeze... we're back to this again.
<apeiros> Papierkorb: what you say is contradicting itself
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<jhass> quazimodo: the hook is defined on the singleton class of the class we're included into
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<Papierkorb> apeiros: Huh? If the main thread, which is the process, exits, the system throws out the process and kills every resource it still holds, in my case, all running threads
<apeiros> 17:43 Papierkorb: Anyone knows how I could terminate the process when all Celluloid actors are finished?
<apeiros> 17:46 apeiros: Papierkorb: then stop keeping the main thread open?
<apeiros> 17:47 Papierkorb: apeiros: then the process quits immediately
<jhass> quazimodo: so it's triggered for all instance methods that are defined on the class after the hook was put in place
<quazimodo> jhass: nice
<umgrosscol> Papierkorb: Why is your main process terminating before it's threads are done working on whatever they were doing?
<quazimodo> not useful to me actually
<quazimodo> but nice
<quazimodo> i don't full yunderstand it actually
<Papierkorb> apeiros: apparently MRI and rbx behave differently than expected. sorry.
<apeiros> Papierkorb: look, you IMO don't do a good job explaining what you want to do and where you're stuck
<apeiros> I'm off to other stuff now
<apeiros> but you might want to give another try at phrasing your problem so others can actually help
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<jhass> quazimodo: so, we place a hook for when a new method is added to the class we're included into, we keep an anonymous module around that's prepended to the class we're included into, then in the hook we define a new method in the anonymous module for each method that's added to the class we're included into, effectively overloading it
<quazimodo> jhass: ok, i need to try to understand this 'hook' synta
<quazimodo> x
<jhass> quazimodo: the define_singleton_method call uses the closure to capture a reference to the anonymous module and make it available to the method added hook
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<jhass> quazimodo: it's the same as def self.foo, it's a regular method defined on an objects singleton class, in this case of an Class instance
<quazimodo> i don't know what the method_added hoook is
<quazimodo> is that a native ruby thing?
<jhass> it's called when a new method is defined
<quazimodo> gotcha
<quazimodo> 1so what's :_observable_overloads again
<jhass> >> class Foo; def self.method_added(method); puts "#{method} defined"; end; def foo; end; end;
<ruboto> jhass # => foo defined ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322148)
<quazimodo> oh
<quazimodo> right
<quazimodo> it returns mod
<quazimodo> :D
<quazimodo> :D
<jhass> yeah, so I don't consume an instance variable :D
<quazimodo> it's beter i guess
<quazimodo> yo udon't create many mod modules
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<jhass> well, the previous solution would have a single observe_calls call per class too ideally
<quazimodo> my version, each method gets a new mod
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<quazimodo> i'll switch to yours
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<jhass> dunno, in prod code I'd probably be explicit and write a decorator by using the fact that def returns a symbol nowadays
<jhass> observable def foo
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<jhass> or better yet use a delegator/decorator based on SimpleDelegate
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<jhass> quazimodo: btw watcha doing with that anyway?
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<quazimodo> jhass: so we have some fairly big projects
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<quazimodo> hundreds of models
<quazimodo> lots of business rules
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<quazimodo> so i'm given a new feature, i take a model, which may/maynot be AR and do stuff with it, save it, whatever
<quazimodo> in doing so, i had *no idea* that, for example, every time a Ticket is changed the dude who pays us to write this software wants to get an email
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<shevy> spam him!
<quazimodo> a Ticket being a model in the app
<shevy> you can send automatic emails quite easily or? via ... sendmail + ruby too
<quazimodo> so i save my Ticket instance, later i get an angry call... but i had no idea that 2 years ago some dev had decided this with him, and written a service object to save and email
<shevy> I tested it by spamming my gmail account
<quazimodo> shevy: contrived example
<quazimodo> what i want to do
<quazimodo> is to register the "responsibilities" of an action on Ticket on ticket, without a callback
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<quazimodo> active_record's after_save implies actions
<quazimodo> i don't want actions
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<quazimodo> i want
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<quazimodo> whinge_after(:save, responsiblities: [EmailOwnerClass])
<quazimodo> so that if I ever call ticket.save as a dev, and run a spec or test or whatever, i'll get a notification
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<quazimodo> EmailOwnerClass will have a WHINGING_DOC constant
<quazimodo> that'll explain the business procedure
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<quazimodo> so if I do .save, i'll soon know to do EmailOwnerClass.new(ticket).call or whatever
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<quazimodo> Not sure if it's a successful idea, but i'm going to trial it
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<quazimodo> first step was removing callbacks in our apps, we're doing that now
<quazimodo> shit's mad clean
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<quazimodo> but things that used to happen automatic, even if the intern did some coding, don't any more
<quazimodo> we have clean ass code with customers asking why things aren't happening like they asked at some point
<quazimodo> makes sense?
<jhass> mh, yeah
<quazimodo> specs are good for if I change old code, obviously
<jhass> interesting Rails 3 had Observers for models inbuilt, Rails 4 dropped that in favor of Concerns
<quazimodo> but they don't help in creating new code
<quazimodo> jhass: honestly, I'm not a fan of either
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<quazimodo> observers create sideeffects you can't predict
<quazimodo> Concerns seem to be catchall stockpiles, like helpers
<quazimodo> i'm in favour of poros, mostly
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<quazimodo> no weird structures or programming paradigms
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<quazimodo> jhass: so if _observable_overloads has been defined on my base objects singleton, how do I refer to if from my modules ClassMethods ?
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<jhass> you should be able to just call it
<quazimodo> module ClassMethods; def do_stuff; <how to get at mod via _observable_overloads?> end; end
<quazimodo> jhass: makes sense
<jhass> extend is basically an include into an objects singleton class
<jhass> yup, still works
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<quazimodo> like that
<quazimodo> failing for some reason, not sure why
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<jhass> weird, seems to work here
<quazimodo> show me your codes
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<apeiros> silly wizard hat…
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<quazimodo> _observable_overloads.send(:define_method, method)
<quazimodo> i'm not doing that
<quazimodo> i'm doing
<quazimodo> _observable_overloads do define_method
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<quazimodo> which should work, it did for Module.new do
<quazimodo> i guess maybe not?
<jhass> no
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<quazimodo> yeah doesn't make sense to work
<jhass> base.define_singleton_method(:_observable_overloads) do |&block| mod.instance_eval(&block); end, perhaps class_eval, those still confuse me
<quazimodo> .new probably uses the block somehow
<quazimodo> hrm
<quazimodo> that's interesting
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<quazimodo> so
<quazimodo> you'd do
<jhass> both seems to work for define_method
<jhass> for def to work you need class_eval I think
<quazimodo> yeah
<quazimodo> can you show me yorus working
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<quazimodo> instance_eval worked
<quazimodo> nice
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<quazimodo> i'm using class eval
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<quazimodo> erm
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<quazimodo> instance_eval
<quazimodo> what the hell
<quazimodo> both work
<quazimodo> 0_0
<jhass> yeah the diff is weird, iirc instance_eval changes just self but keeps the definee and class_eval changes the definee too
<quazimodo> wha
<jhass> define_method is a method call, so it relies on self
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<jhass> def is syntax, so it relies on the definee
<quazimodo> which should I use here?
<quazimodo> to avoid fudging things
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<jhass> at least so my memory, as said I'm still always unsure about those too
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<jhass> and I'd go for class_eval, if my explanation is correct
<quazimodo> yeah use class eval
<quazimodo> instance eval puts stuff on mod's eigenclass
<quazimodo> makes no sense
<quazimodo> we want them on mod itself
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<jhass> mh, is that so?
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<jhass> p Thingy._observable_overloads &:instance_methods returns [:do_y] here when using instance_eval too
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<jhass> ah, because that's run in the singleton class too
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<jhass> mh, no
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<jhass> what am I missing that this doesn't defeat that claim?
<quazimodo> jhass: i have absolutely no idea
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<dudedudeman> are any of you guys participating in this today? https://modelviewculture.com/news/lets-talk-about-pay
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<atmosx> dudedudeman: that's interesting
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<dudedudeman> following along with it on twitter has been interesting
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<dudedudeman> it's a trending topic now, too
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<shevy> dudedudeman what are you actually coding lately?
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<Senjai> dudedudeman: Nope
<Senjai> dudedudeman: Those conversations are silly.
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<dudedudeman> shevy: still working on that monitor app! the mentor guy i have at work and i have been working on it so we can eventually deploy it at work and put it in production
<dudedudeman> Senjai: i somewhat agree. what's your take on them?
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<dudedudeman> i've also been working on solving fizzbuzz in a couple different ways
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<Senjai> dudedudeman: Agreeing on a wage is a choice, its not forced.
<Senjai> dudedudeman: You want more money? Ask for it, or earn it. Or go somewhere else where you can make what you -----think----- you deserve
<dudedudeman> yeah, that's kind of my thing. often people making a certain amount complain it's too. i'm curious if they've tried to move somewhere with higher pay or ask for it at their current company
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<GaryOak_> If your situation makes it easy to do that, then you can, but otherwise it's not easy
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<dudedudeman> certainly. relationships, health, cost of living, contracts, kids, there are so many variables
<Senjai> GaryOak_: Right, and if you have no alternatives, you're at a disadvantage unfortunately, and you can be played on that. All boils down to choices
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<atmosx> I seriously don't know if it's a good or bad conversation. But it's interesting. Some people are able to monetise the shit out of everything. That's easier in the US but generally speaking we can't all monetise our skills equally. I get that's a soft-skill too.
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<dudedudeman> GaryOak_: Senjai, if you don't mind me asking, where are you guys at career wise? senior? mid? owner?
<havenwood> Doctors and lawyers have powerful lobbies that get legislation passed protecting profits. Programmers have companies illegally conspiring to keep wages low.
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<GaryOak_> I'm currently like a mid level dev, I've been out of college for 4 years now
<Senjai> dudedudeman: I'm a self taught mid level developer
<Senjai> at a consultancy
<havenwood> Vote for me for higher programmer wages and free pie!
<dudedudeman> havenwood: can cheesecake be on the agenda?
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<dudedudeman> Senjai: GaryOak_ that's awesome.
<dudedudeman> i'm jealous of you both. lol
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<GaryOak_> I was doing webdev for 3 of those years, and it was awful, I finally got out and am doing non-web ruby
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<dudedudeman> dev ops?
<GaryOak_> Custom server application
<dudedudeman> nice
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<GaryOak_> yep
<Senjai> dudedudeman: Find a good company that is well respected
<Senjai> dudedudeman: Where are you located?
<dudedudeman> Dallas
<GaryOak_> But most jobs have no wage negotiation
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<Senjai> GaryOak_: Sure they do
<GaryOak_> Programmers are lucky to be in high demand
<Senjai> All jobs do dude
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<Senjai> We'll give you $11 an hour, uhmm.. actually I was thinking more of ..
<dudedudeman> there's a GREAT ruby community here. i go to three meetup/hacknights a month with them, and the first one of the month is bit more formal and they bring in companies in the area that are ruby shops and they're always looking to hire. there were three at the last one
<Senjai> minimum wage jobs really aren't negotiable
<GaryOak_> All jobs where you are OK with being fired, or not getting hired
<Senjai> GaryOak_: Gotta find the fit. Not getting the job is never a big deal
<Senjai> there are so many positions
<dudedudeman> i'd currently love to move to the ruby team here at the company i work for as the lead guy there is awesome and has been patiently training me in ruby for months now
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<dudedudeman> but i'm curious if they'd leverage my current pay against me if i moved to a junior role
<shevy> havenwood you have my +1 vote for free pie, especially with sugar coating
<Senjai> And programmers will still be in high demand, because of all the crappy work programmers do that other programmers have to fix
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<GaryOak_> Senjai: that's a very privileged attitude, as a programmer you might not need to take a job, but for others it's not like that
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<Senjai> GaryOak_: That's fine, everyone has circumstances.
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<Senjai> but its not a priviledged attitude, I'd much rather go hungry then work at some place were I'd hate my life. But that's just me
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<dudedudeman> Senjai: i'm very in to finding the right fit for the first ruby company i work for. i do not wnat to start working somewhere where i end up getting burned out and frustrated before i even have a chance to fully grasp the type of work i'll be doing long term
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<quazimodo> does yield return a value
<quazimodo> can one do
<quazimodo> "some string #{yield if block_given?}"
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<Senjai> Yes
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<Senjai> I would be very suprised if that wasnt the case
<quazimodo> why am ionly getting true i wonder
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<atmosx> What does 'doxxing' means?
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<atmosx> Doxing (from dox, abbreviation of documents),[1] or doxxing,[2][3] is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting personally identifiable information about an individual.[3][4][5][6] The methods employed to acquire this information include searching publicly available databases and social media websites (like Facebook), hacking, and social engineering. It is closely related to cyber-vigilantism and hacktivism.
<atmosx> okay
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<quazimodo> so i wanna execute my own block, but also define amethod that takes a block, like so
<quazimodo> what's wrong here?
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<quazimodo> Testy.howl_around(on: :save, with: "test_responsibility") do |action, on, with| action.call end
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<quazimodo> that sort of thing
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<jhass> quazimodo: that yield calls the inner block
<jhass> outer_block.call(->...
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<quazimodo> yeah i solved it :D
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<quazimodo> jhass: i'll show you what i'm up to tomorro
<quazimodo> pretty cool
<quazimodo> bbl
<jhass> looking forward, still not entirely convinced all that indirection will make the code easier to follow but heh :P
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<Parsi> i want to remove ruby2 and keep ruby1.9.3 in ubuntu
<Parsi> would you please help me?
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<Parsi> ruby 2.2.1p85 (2015-02-26 revision 49769) [i686-linux]
<centrx> Parsi, Try #ubuntu
<Parsi> err ok
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<jhass> Parsi: note that Ruby 1.9 has no official security updates anymore, it's dead
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<Parsi> jhass, yes but awestruct supports 1.9
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<hanmac> Parsi: any same reason why to use 1.9 and do not update your software?
<havenwood> Parsi: It appears it supports 2.2 as well. Ruby 1.9 is past end-of-life. Do not use it.
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<Parsi> havenwood, when i'm running 'awestruct -d' it says: /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/tilt-2.0.1/lib/tilt/redcarpet.rb:2:in `require': cannot load such file -- redcarpet (LoadError)
<Parsi> as i remember it was working with 1.9
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<havenwood> Parsi: You just didn't `bundle install` with 2.2?
<Parsi> yes i did
<jhass> ah, global RVM install, hf
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<Parsi> havenwood, i have no idea what bundle is, i just jumped into it
<havenwood> Parsi: gem install bundler && bundle
<Parsi> have you tried awestruct before?
<havenwood> Parsi: no
<Parsi> what these gems are actually?
<havenwood> Parsi: what gems?
<havenwood> Parsi: awestruct's dependencies?
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<Parsi> a "gem"
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<havenwood> Parsi: http://guides.rubygems.org/
<jhass> a library
<havenwood> Ruby software packages
<tuelz> anyone know of a good resource for learning how to use UPS soap endpoints? First time using soap and their docs are garbage for my use case.
<tuelz> wanting to pring shipping labels programmatically for end users.
<havenwood> tuelz: Is there a non-SOAP option or stuck with SOAP?
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<tuelz> havenwood: all soap afaik
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<tuelz> I'm using savon which seems to be a legit soap gem - problem is I have no idea what info to provide in my requests because soap is hard and docs are bad.
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<Parsi> still i get this error: /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.2.1/gems/tilt-2.0.1/lib/tilt/redcarpet.rb:2:in `require': cannot load such file -- redcarpet (LoadError)
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<havenwood> Parsi: What command are you running?
<Parsi> havenwood: rake
<havenwood> Parsi: And the bundle installed fine?
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<Parsi> yes,, with no error
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<havenwood> Parsi: On Ruby 2.2.1?
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<Parsi> yes havenwood, ruby 2.2.1p85
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<havenwood> Parsi: Do you see redcarpet locally?: gem list redcarpet
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<havenwood> Parsi: Where is it?: gem which redcarpet
<Parsi> havenwood, no
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<havenwood> Parsi: Are you in the project directory with the Gemfile?
<Parsi> i think so
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<havenwood> Parsi: ls Gemfile
<havenwood> Parsi: Gemfile or no such file?
<Parsi> havenwood, it exists
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<Parsi> there is a Gemfile
<havenwood> Parsi: Just confirm this fails?: bundle exec rake
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<Parsi> havenwood, yes it fails
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<havenwood> Parsi: My wild guess would be that the dependency on redcarpet is just missing from the Gemfile.
<Parsi> havenwood, how can i fix it?
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<havenwood> err, actually i may be looking at the wrong Gemfile here... what's in the Gemfile you're looking at?
<havenwood> I don't know awestruct.
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<Parsi> should i install redcarpet manually?
<havenwood> Parsi: Won't hurt to: gem install redcarpet
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<havenwood> Parsi: But if a dep is missing from the Gemfile...
<Parsi> havenwood, could it be a PATH related problem?
<havenwood> Parsi: Dunno. What's in your Gemfile?
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<Parsi> nano Gemfile?
<atmosx> vim Gemfile
<havenwood> emacs Gemfile
<atmosx> Ggxwq:
<Parsi> okay gimme a sec
<\13k> "nano", man? :D
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<atmosx> pico
<jhass> ed
<atmosx> ed, I never used ed
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<\13k> ed is like interactive sed
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<havenwood> joe Gemfile
<atmosx> a sounds cool.. but since vim can handle fairly large files, I rarely used sed :-( always had to spent time to get the syntax right
<helpa> Hi Parsi. We in #ruby would really appreciate it if you did not use pastebin during your time with us.
<helpa> Pastebin is not good because it loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting. Please use Gist (http://gist.github.com) or Pastie (http://pastie.org) instead. Thanks!
<ruboto> Parsi, we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, I reposted your paste to gist for you: https://gist.github.com/0113ee4bec763412151e
<ruboto> pastebin.com loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting.
<jhass> !mute helpa
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<jhass> apeiros: ^ since you didn't PR yet..
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<havenwood> Parsi: See the portion under: FIXME
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<Parsi> what should i do with guys?
<atmosx> can you do things like this: '<,'>s/$/: '',/g in nano?
<atmosx> Parsi: have sex?
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<Parsi> atmosx, :{
<atmosx> Parsi: j/k ... I don't know what you're talking about
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<apeiros> jhass: right
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<Parsi> havenwood, what should i do?
<havenwood> Parsi: Seems there are... things that need fixing in this gem. Try uncommenting the lines below FIXME and see if it magically works. >.>
<Parsi> ok
<havenwood> Parsi: Uncomment those "gem ..." lines then run: bundle
<havenwood> Parsi: ^ and try again
<atmosx> apeiros: does ruboto have a list of nicknames from which to accept cmds hard-coded or does it query to test if the user has 'op' in the #?
<Parsi> havenwood, woops! no it says: Could not find gem 'coffee-script (>= 2.2.0) ruby' in any of the gem sources listed in your Gemfile or installed on this machine.
<apeiros> atmosx: some commands are public and some commands require you to be authenticated and your authname to be in a hard coded list
<Parsi> i ran "rake update"
<Parsi> seems it's installing gems
<atmosx> apeiros: nice
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<apeiros> atmosx: public commands will soon only be available to registered/authenticated people. private commands will pull from /cs access list
<Parsi> for sake of God, why developing under linux is such a pain! :{
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<apeiros> atmosx: oh, actually ruboto already pulls from /cs access list
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<shevy> Parsi nah it is easy on linux
<atmosx> apeiros: how many lines of code is that bot as of today?
<shevy> you just need to avoid bad software
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<apeiros> atmosx: sloccount says 724
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<Parsi> havenwood, thank you so so so much
<Parsi> you saved my ass
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<atmosx> apeiros: do you record time worked on project, with something like 'wakatime' ?
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<apeiros> atmosx: no
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<apeiros> I don't track hours I don't bill.
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<Synthead> if I do foo.send(:a, :b), it only delivers :a to foo (and ignores :b). Is there a way I can do a send() with multiple arguments?
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<djellemah> Synthead: foo.send(:a, :b) is the same as foo.a(:b)
<al2o3-cr> >> class Foo; def add(a,b); a+b; end; end; Foo.new.send(:add, 2,3)
<ruboto> al2o3-cr # => 5 (https://eval.in/322177)
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<Synthead> djbender: that's what I've read, but for some reason, foo.send(:a) and foo.send(:a, :b) are doing the same thing in my case
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<djellemah> Synthead: Probably your method definition for a has at least one argument?
<Synthead> oh, I misread what you said
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<Synthead> my goal is to do something synonymous to foo.send(:a).send(:b)
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<djellemah> Synthead: For that, your method a on foo will have to return an object which has a method b
<Synthead> djbender: exactly
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<Synthead> djbender: sorry
<Synthead> djellemah: ^
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<djellemah> [:a,:b].inject(foo){|obj,arg| obj.send(arg)}
<djellemah> [:a,:b].inject(foo){|obj,method| obj.send(method)} is better
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<hanmac> djellemah: hm for inject use the shortcut variant
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<hanmac> djellemah: [:a,:b].inject(foo,:send) should do what you want
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<djellemah> hanmac: Yeah, that's shorter. Hopefully Synthead will see it.
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<tuelz1> thor doens't seem to be behaving like a regular ruby file. I'm trying to require dotenv and then load it, but dotenv doesn't see the .env or it isn't loading the env variables at least
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<yh> I probably should have added that my issue (https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a0b8a1fc35962e19ea8d) is a failing RSpec simplified case, I'm the perfect question-asker ;)
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<tuelz1> yh: you need to define the method inside a class
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<yh> tuelz1: I don't see how it being inside a class is really relevant (it's not - with the benefit of the doubt, I moved it into one with no effect)
<tuelz1> yh: I just copy/pasted your code and it works inside a class
<tuelz1> I have no idea why, I presume it's something to do with rspec
<yh> tuelz1: how strange, could you gist your version?
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<al2o3-cr> yh: abort_on_exception is a class method
<yh> al2o3-cr: also an instance method - http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Thread.html
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<al2o3-cr> yh: oops :)
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<djellemah> Either way, abort_on_exception will kill the process if an exception is raised in the thread.
<yh> djellemah: the process, or the thread it occurs in?
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<djellemah> The process AFAIK
<yh> djellemah: I couldn't help but notice it does say _all_ threads. Perhaps that's simply where it was copied from the class method and not corrected (a bug in documentation?)
<djellemah> ruby -e "Thread.new{sleep 1; raise 'oops'}.abort_on_exception = true; loop{sleep 0.2; puts 'tick'}"
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<al2o3-cr> require 'thread'; Thread.new { raise "whoa it worked" }.abort_on_exception = true
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<al2o3-cr> >> require 'thread'; Thread.new { raise "whoa it worked" }.abort_on_exception = true
<ruboto> al2o3-cr # => (https://eval.in/322222)
<al2o3-cr> yh: anyway, it works here
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<al2o3-cr> keep forgetting threads a forbidden syscall :(
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<yh> al2o3-cr: forbidden syscall?
<al2o3-cr> yh: yeah, when using the bot to evaluate
<yh> ah, I see
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<yh> al2o3-cr: could you show me the spec passing, please?
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<al2o3-cr> yh: didn't write a spec just a quick test to see if #abort_on_exception worked
<djellemah> yh: Probably what you want: expect { Thread.new{raise}.join }.to raise_error
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<yh> djellemah: I'm trying to get it to work when the method under test creates a thread - without the luxury of creating it in the spec directly
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<yh> A small modification to https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a0b8a1fc35962e19ea8d demonstrating a pass would be awesome
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<djellemah> yh: You might have to do something funky like redefine Thread.new
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<yh> I don't see why that should be necessary
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<djellemah> yh: It will be interesting to see your solution ;-)
<yh> djellemah: ha, I cannot promise one. I'm really at a bit of a roadblock with this one.
<al2o3-cr> yh: change it to this: Thread.new { raise "whao it worked" }.join.abort_on_exception = true and rspec will pass
<yh> al2o3-cr: unfortunately, immediately joining it inside the method completely negates the purpose of threading off :)
<yh> Joining it in the spec, outside of the implementation, is acceptable however
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<yh> In interest of disclosure: also going to ask in #rspec :)
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<eam> anyone know why yaml.rb produces ASCII-8BIT strings?
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<yh> It seems a little crazy that nobody can solve this..
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<al2o3-cr> yh: i've tried everything if you don't join that thread in foo it will not pass why I don't know :(
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<al2o3-cr> must be some thread ninjas in here :)
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<al2o3-cr> like you said it should raise when you do Thread.list.map {|t| t.join unless Thread.current }
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<al2o3-cr> yh: good luck and hope someone can give you the answer
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<yh> al2o3-cr: well it could well raise before that part; the only reason I'm joining is to prevent RSpec terminating the example before the thread completes
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<al2o3-cr> ok
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<djellemah> yh: You have to join (or value) a thread to get the exception raised.
<yh> djellemah: why would that be?
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<djellemah> In the meantime the thread which called Thread.new in the first place is carrying on doing its thing. Where else would it make sense to raise the exception?
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<djellemah> Thread.new{raise} will do nothing
<djellemah> Thread.new{raise}.join and you will get the exception
<djellemah> from the point of view of the current thread, that is.
<havenwood> yh: compare to: expect { foo.join }.to raise_error
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<havenwood> yh: ^ where it won't immediately return from #foo without an error yet being raised before you even try joining.
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<havenwood> yh: or for that matter, just for demonstration: expect { foo; sleep 1 }.to raise_error
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<yh> havenwood: I tried the latter, and see; I guess I thought when the thread aborted, it somehow joined onto the main one at that point (to notify of failure)
<havenwood> yh: the expectation passes the instant the method returns without an error raised
<yh> havenwood: yeah, that's why I saw joining or sleeping as the way to stop that happening
<havenwood> yh: it happens when #expect returns, the it block isn't relevant
<yh> I preferred join as it minimised the time waiting rather than simply fixing one unreliability
<yh> unreliably*
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<yh> oh!
<yh> That is ridiculously obvious in retrospect.
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<djellemah> yh: Yup ;-) think of other_thread.join as a way of telling *this* thread to wait for other_thread to finish.
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<yh> havenwood: yet, the spec realises a RuntimeError happened
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<yh> perhaps just where it happened inside the it
<abyss> I have following code: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/434494dde381e5ac8007 I'd like to sort hash first by keys and second by values (datetime). Could someone help me how to achieve that? The output of session looks something like this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9005546800c614e1d14f
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<yh> havenwood / djellemah: unfortunately, foo threads off, so foo.join wouldn't work
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<djellemah> because of abort_on_exception = true, foo returns true.
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<abyss> oh, ok sorry now it doesn't make any sense... I have to revise my code and I have put sessions to another hash and then sort by datetime...
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<yh> djellemah: besides sleeping, I'm not really sure what the solution is
<yh> sleeping in specs is terrible, and unreliable
<djellemah> yh: you don't have access to the thread object that's created inside foo ?
<havenwood> yh: do your thread joining inside the expect block
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<abyss> Maybe someone could help? I have apache accesslogs and every line (it's not true but let simplify this) has session id (it's a number and word like jkfdajfk3235kfdf) and each line has when the request start. So I'd like to put make something like this:
<havenwood> yh: ThreadGroup will have even the Threads that a Thread spawns, just for you to consider
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<al2o3-cr> ruboto: give havenwood cookie :)
<abyss> session[thesameid]=20150202:04:04, session[thesameid]=20150202:04:05. How to do it the right way? Because I can't put sessions to key because this will erase last data? Any ideas?
<havenwood> can still return before they make it into the ThreadGroup though, depends
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<yh> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10dbe7ca73778b9c725a <- I'd have thought this would work?
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<yh> It calls join on the other thread, inside the expectation
<havenwood> yh: works on my machine
<yh> havenwood: ooh!
* yh tries another Ruby implementation
<havenwood> in rspec or minitest
<djellemah> session[thesameid]=[20150202:04:04,20150202:04:05] maybe
<al2o3-cr> hmm strange doesn't work on mine
<yh> havenwood: that is funny.
<yh> al2o3-cr: perhaps you're using JRuby as I was :)
<yh> havenwood is likely using MRI (or just: not JRuby)
<al2o3-cr> no standard cruby 2.2.2
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<havenwood> yh: it passes on jruby-9.0.0.0.pre2 ;)
<havenwood> or ruby-2.2.2
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<abyss> djellemah: but then I have to sort it by time and do some ugly stuff with that, do you think that way will ease this? I will try;)
<al2o3-cr> ah,shit it does i was missing .to raise_error :)
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<yh> havenwood: my JRuby isn't a 9000 one :)
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<havenwood> yh: i can reproduce failure on 1.7.19
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<djellemah> abyss: What I mean is: think about session[thesameid] as being an array. It might help to use ||= and << ;-)
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<abyss> djellemah: yeah I have now session[thesameid] = [array of datetimes], but how I can sort this datetimes now?;)
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<abyss> now I have something like this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9b89032182770ab679f3
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<abyss> adding to line 12 time.sort will be enough? It will sort datetime as well?
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<dreinull75> sometimes (like now) my ruby behaves weird. Apps start up extremely slowly, are slow to stop and every call takes seconds. Is there some kind of cache that needs clearing? I'm running Ruby 2.2 and 2.2.2
<djellemah> abyss: you have all session keys with the same value - the time array
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<djellemah> abyss: yes, Array#sort will also sort DateTime instances
<jhass> dreinull75: the rest of your OS is responsive though?
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<dreinull75> jhass yes
<jhass> nothing hogging memory, CPU and/or IO?
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<dreinull75> I'm restarting the db which is on another system to double check it's not on that side
<dreinull75> jhass no
<jhass> and even a simple thing like ruby -e "p 'hi'" takes seconds?
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<dreinull75> jhass no, just DB calls, but always loads of objects are created locally
<abyss> djellemah: ok I get it I should get rid of that variable time and put to session[matches[2]] << DateTime.strptime(matches[1], "%d/%b/%Y:%H:%M:%S")
<abyss> right?
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<jhass> dreinull75: well, then it's network or the DB
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<djellemah> abyss: you're on the right track. What happens the first time a particular session id is found? That is, matches[2] has a value that isn't already in session.
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<jhass> dreinull75: or if either the DB or the ruby process run in a VM it could be that another VM or even the host system gets overloaded, which is likely not visible in your VM
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<dreinull75> jhass the db restart seems to have worked for now. Have to rely on a cygwin mysql instance which may or may not be the problem. thanks though.
<jhass> sounds horrible :P
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<dreinull75> jhass you have no idea what my alternatives are. This is heaven.
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<jhass> and I don't want to then!
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<Gondei> Do you prefer to go with == or ?
<abyss> djellemah: could you check this out: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/50d280dc1acd90067007 What you think about that?:) Thank you.
<Gondei> like until (a = b) == nil or until (a = b).nil?
<dreinull75> while (a=b)
<jhass> Gondei: until a
<jhass> er, yeah, while a
<jhass> no parens, no assignment
<jhass> no explicit nil check as long as possible (as long as false is not a valid value)
<Gondei> jhass, Do you prefer == or ? this was just an example to demonstrate the difference
<jhass> a bad one then, I can't come up with another two expressions that would be equivalent
<Gondei> jhass, A bad one? This is from Eloquent Ruby book lol
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<jhass> and it doesn't specifically talk about nil checks there?
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<yh> havenwood: you have any idea why it might not have worked on the earlier jrubies?
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<djellemah> abyss: Looks like it will work, but calling .sort for every line will slow down to a crawl once you have a decent number of entries for a particular session id.
<djellemah> abyss: date_time, session_id = parseapache.match(line)
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<djellemah> abyss: sorry, date_time, session_id = parseapache.match(line)[1..-1]
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<djellemah> abyss: or date_time, session_id = parseapache.match(line).captures
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<abyss> djellemah: I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean by that: date_time, session_id = parseapache.match(line)[1..-1]... that parseapache.match collect two things, sessionid and time
<djellemah> abyss: yes
<djellemah> >> a,b = 1,2
<ruboto> djellemah # => [1, 2] (https://eval.in/322243)
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<djellemah> >> date_time, session_id = [DateTime.now, 'your session id']
<ruboto> djellemah # => uninitialized constant DateTime (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322244)
<djellemah> >> date_time, session_id = [Date.now, 'your session id']
<ruboto> djellemah # => uninitialized constant Date (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322245)
<djellemah> >> date_time, session_id = [Date.today, 'your session id']
<ruboto> djellemah # => uninitialized constant Date (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322246)
<al2o3-cr> djellemah: require it first :)
<abyss> ah, ok, I should do it in one line! Ohhh i get it:)
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<abyss> but what will do that for me? It will expidite code to use date_time, session_id instead of matches[1] and matches[2]?
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<abyss> *expedite
<djellemah> abyss: much easier to read.
<abyss> ok. Thank you very much. You're
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<abyss> *you're right I will add this as well and I will think about moving sort to somewhere else and call it only once for each session:) Thank you.
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<djellemah> >> require 'date'; date_time, session_id = [DateTime.now, 'your session id']
<ruboto> djellemah # => [#<DateTime: 2015-05-01T21:51:54+00:00 ((2457144j,78714s,94777511n),+0s,2299161j)>, "your session id ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322247)
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<havenwood> yh: afk for another few minutes, but it works with: export JRUBY_OPTS=--2.0
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<abyss> djellemah: I will just add: session.each { |key| key.sort!} yeah?
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<djellemah> abyss: Well, you want to sort the array of times, not the key ;-)
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<shevy> let's do another round of ruby quiz
<shevy> In Ruby, for class Array, what is the difference between using .push versus <<
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<jhass> arity
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<abyss> djellemah: session.each { |key, value| session[key].sort! } ?;)
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<shevy> yeah jhass
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<jhass> shevy: my turn: what's the difference between include and prepend
<djellemah> abyss: you don't need to look up value, it's already right there.
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<shevy> include includes a module
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<abyss> djellemah: when I try something like this: session.each { |key| session[key].sort! } I get: parselog-good:22:in `block in <main>': undefined method `sort!' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
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<jhass> >> {a: 1, b: 2}.each do |key| p key; end; # abyss
<ruboto> jhass # => [:a, 1] ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322248)
<jhass> >> session = {a: 1, b: 2}; session.each do |key| p [key, session[key]]; end; # abyss
<ruboto> jhass # => [[:a, 1], nil] ...check link for more (https://eval.in/322249)
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<abyss> q
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<dudedudeman> r
<jhass> ö
<al2o3-cr> is this the new invisible hangman?
<abyss> jhass: session.each { |key| key.sort!} didn't work... But of course I can do p key... So I don't get it;)
<rgb-one> any free ruby resources you guys recommend?
<jhass> abyss: did you even look at the output?
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<jhass> key is not the key
<jhass> you just called it that way
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<ruboto> jhass, I will remember that links is http://ruby-community.com/pages/links
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<abyss> jhass: ok, but you wrote it because it something wrong with |key, values| session[key].sort! ?
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<jhass> abyss: |key, values| is not what you wrote
<jhass> abyss: be pedantic, read carefully. Ruby does too
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<djellemah> abyss: remember key, value = ['your session', ['time','later time', 'further along']]
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<abyss> yes, exactly
<djellemah> So what happens when you say key = ['your session', ['time','later time', 'further along']]
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<djellemah> abyss: Another hint
<djellemah> >> {a: 1, b: 2, c: 3}.map{|key| key}
<ruboto> djellemah # => [[:a, 1], [:b, 2], [:c, 3]] (https://eval.in/322250)
<djellemah> >> {a: 1, b: 2, c: 3}.map{|key,value| key.to_s + value.to_s }
<ruboto> djellemah # => ["a1", "b2", "c3"] (https://eval.in/322251)
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<abyss> so |key, value| session[key].sort! should be ok? ;)
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<baweaver> don't use bang methods
<baweaver> you're asking for a mess.
<jhass> abyss: what does session[key] return?
<xxneolithicxx> \o/ TGIF, ello
<djellemah> abyss: Well, it will work. But it's doing more work than it has to.
<Senjai> bang methods are fine
<Senjai> when you know what you're doing
<baweaver> sessions.map { |k, v| [k, v.sort] }.to_h
<baweaver> that second part is what screws most people
<Senjai> But if you subscribe to the "EVERYTHING IS IMMUTABLE" philosophy, you will hate them
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<baweaver> I subscribe to most everything is immutable
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<baweaver> unless needed
<baweaver> which is admittedly rare and far between
<baweaver> makes it a lot less annoying to test later.
<djellemah> baweaver: context
<baweaver> then again I spent a bit too long around Haskell and Scala
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<baweaver> djellemah: is pretty clear. What's confusing?
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<baweaver> If you're using reduce on a hash, it's normally safe to use #merge! on the accumulator as it's a loop variable, and it's a lot faster
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<abyss> errr I put this session.map to my script;) It works;) Thank you. djellemah so how I should it right?;)
<djellemah> abyss: it will also work.
<jhass> abyss: you should use something you can explain how it works
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<jhass> not only what the result is but also how that result is achieved
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<rgb-one> any free ruby books?
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<abyss> jhass: that |key, values| works for me as well;) But you both said it wrong;) This map do the same thing but without ! (to_h I don't know what for but I suppose this map reduce hash to array, so next I need to make this array again hash...
<jhass> rgb-one: chris pine's learn to program has a free version, learn ruby the hard way too
<jhass> codeacademy has a free course
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<rgb-one> What of pdf/epub books any free ones?
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<baweaver> >> {a: 1, b: 2}.map { |k,v| [k, v + 3] }
<ruboto> baweaver # => [[:a, 4], [:b, 5]] (https://eval.in/322253)
<baweaver> >> {a: 1, b: 2}.map { |k,v| [k, v + 3] }.to_h
<ruboto> baweaver # => {:a=>4, :b=>5} (https://eval.in/322254)
<baweaver> that's why
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<baweaver> most Enumerable functions will change a hash to an array
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<abyss> djellemah jhass baweaver - thank you for your help. The worst thing is that it's the beginning of my script;) Have a nice night! :)
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<baweaver> abyss: Not a problem mate. Read into Ruby's Enumerable library, it'll help a lot
<baweaver> your best friends are map, reduce, select, and find.
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