#ruby on 2013-12-25 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-11-22 18:06 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

00:00 <jxport> benzrf: unless I've misunderstood, that's another language that it, when provided a stringification method

00:00 <jxport> does it*

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00:00 <canton7> jxport, java's strongly typed as well. it won't auto-convert an int to a string, or vice versa

00:00 <jxport> h0rrorvacui: which is?

00:00 <h0rrorvacui> Well before my biggest complaint was no namespaces

00:00 <jxport> canton7: if there is a toString() method, it will be invoked and its return value used

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00:00 <h0rrorvacui> but I think that is fixed

00:01 <canton7> jxport, some with #to_s being invoked automatically in some cases

00:01 <canton7> *same

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00:01 <canton7> jxport, but 3 + "4" fails in java, I suspect?

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00:01 <jxport> canton7: OK - I'm trying to work out what those cases are. Because benzrf seemed to be saying there weren't any cases

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00:01 <canton7> >> i = 3; puts "#{i} is a string"

00:01 <eval-in> canton7 => 3 is a string ... (https://eval.in/82667)

00:01 <jxport> canton7: yes, because 3 is a primitive and therefore has no toString()

00:02 <jxport> Is to_s only invoked when inside #{ } ?

00:02 <canton7> puts will invoke it, and other string-formatting stuff

00:02 <jxport> Ooh ok. Apparently not print

00:02 <canton7> print will?

00:02 <h0rrorvacui> jxport don't try to do java in ruby :P

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00:03 <canton7> >> class Test; def to_s; "CALLED; end; end; print Test.new

00:03 <eval-in> canton7 => /tmp/execpad-0dadb6a3554a/source-0dadb6a3554a:7: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/82669)

00:03 <canton7> >> class Test; def to_s; "CALLED"; end; end; print Test.new

00:03 <eval-in> canton7 => CALLEDnil (https://eval.in/82670)

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00:05 <h0rrorvacui> he is probably doing something like this

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00:05 <h0rrorvacui> >> a = 1; print (a + "hello")

00:05 <eval-in> h0rrorvacui => String can't be coerced into Fixnum (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/82671)

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00:05 <canton7> yeah

00:05 <h0rrorvacui> very java-ish

00:05 <canton7> jxport, in that case, a + 'hello' is evaluated before print gets its hands on it, so print has nothing to do with calling or not calling #to_s there

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00:09 <jxport> canton7: is that the nature of print, itself?

00:09 <jxport> h0rrorvacui: what would be /not/ so 'java-ish'?

00:09 <canton7> 'print' will call #to_s on whatever its given is my understanding, yes

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00:09 <jxport> >> a = 1; print (a.to_s + "hello") # ?

00:09 <eval-in> jxport => 1hellonil (https://eval.in/82672)

00:10 <h0rrorvacui> jxport just use #{}

00:10 <jxport> Gotcha

00:10 <jxport> That's what I do generally do - I guess I was lazy that particular time -- I'm glad, it taught me

00:10 <canton7> or, indeed, a = 1; print "#{a}hello"

00:11 <canton7> if you're doing string interpolation, use string interpolation. it's clearer and faster

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00:11 <jxport> h0rrorvacui: by the way. PHP's namespaces, in identifiers, are delimited by \

00:11 <jxport> Yes, \ -- horrible!

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00:11 <jxport> There had to be *something* wrong with PHP's implementation

00:11 <canton7> cos, y'know, a dot wouldn't do it

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00:12 <h0rrorvacui> Ohh I see \ is an escape sequence

00:12 <h0rrorvacui> I was wondering for a second whats wrong there.

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00:13 <canton7> jxport, seen http://news.php.net/php.internals/70691 ?

00:13 <canton7> that made me laugh and cringe at the same time

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00:14 <h0rrorvacui> makes me appreciate other languages

00:15 <apeiros_unid> php - pretty horrible ???

00:15 <canton7> pretty horrible preprocessor

00:15 <canton7> better than php hypertext preprocessor :P

00:15 <apeiros_unid> ^^

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00:19 <jxport> canton7: that is amazing. I have bookmarked this to show some of the freakish PHP devouts I work with

00:19 <h0rrorvacui> I remember reading somewhere that there is a conspiracy that php is hindered on purpose so that the Zend guys make more money.

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00:20 <h0rrorvacui> It sounds crazy but I kinda like a good conspiracy.

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00:20 <jxport> Same. What's the actual status of PHP as a project, source control wise?

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00:20 <jxport> Is the project and its code/structure being ruled by an iron rod by someone that's resilient to change etc. ?

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00:21 <h0rrorvacui> Seems so but idk tbh.

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00:21 <canton7> iirc, votes by a committe who really, really hate new stuff

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00:29 <haukur> I'm trying to write a DSL that has nested blocks, how do I accomplish that? the inner blocks don't seem to be run

00:29 <apeiros_unid> canton7: re your link about php internals - IMO not that horrible. but IFF they'd replaced that like around 1996 and began deprecating inconsistent function names along with it…

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00:30 <apeiros_unid> haukur: well, you're in charge of running them

00:30 <apeiros_unid> haukur: the method taking the block must invoke it

00:30 <haukur> apeiros_unid: okay, how?

00:30 <h0rrorvacui> .call

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00:31 <haukur> h0rrorvacui: I'm not sure where I would do that

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00:32 <apeiros_unid> haukur: as all blocks - you either use yield or you capture them as a Proc (via &block arg) and call it / pass it on to something which calls it.

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00:33 <apeiros_unid> haukur: again - in the method which receives the block

00:33 <apeiros_unid> since that's the one responsible for actually invoking the block

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00:33 <haukur> so the outer block method should be calling the inner methods?

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00:34 <apeiros_unid> no. and that's not what I said either.

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00:34 <apeiros_unid> the inner block doesn't care that there is an outer block

00:34 <apeiros_unid> neither does the outer block care that there is an inner

00:34 <apeiros_unid> the rules for "inner" blocks are all the same as for outer blocks

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00:34 <apeiros_unid> so if you managed to get the outer block to run, then you shouldn't really have any trouble running the inner blocks…

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00:35 <haukur> apeiros_unid: okay, thanks!

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00:40 <jtal> I just installed rvm, gem, rails; created a new project, tried to start it up

00:40 <jtal> and I get an error could not find a javascript runtime

00:41 <jtal> I havent written any code or done any config

00:41 <h0rrorvacui> jtal you have a lot of options

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00:41 <h0rrorvacui> install node

00:41 <h0rrorvacui> is one

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00:42 <jtal> ok, it seems to be starting up now

00:42 <jtal> is it not a dependency because you might want a different one?

00:42 <jtal> I dont even know of another

00:42 <h0rrorvacui> jtal

00:42 <h0rrorvacui> you can also use the ruby racer

00:42 <h0rrorvacui> just uncomment it in your Gemfile

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00:46 <mdev> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/12/24/1826204/is-ruby-dying

00:46 <mdev> some claim it is because markeshare dropped(dropping?) on netcraft, what are your guys thoughts

00:46 <haukur> apeiros_unid: I don't know why I thought it was so complicated ._.

00:46 <haukur> thanks for the help again

00:46 <mdev> seems to be ruby is getting more popular but I don't know

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00:47 <jtal> how does node fit into rails?

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00:47 <jtal> I've only used node express...I cant imagine how that is a competitor to ruby/rails

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00:48 <h0rrorvacui> jtal you need a javascript runtime

00:48 <jtal> no, I'm past that now

00:48 <jtal> I'm talking about mdev's link

00:49 <mdev> jtal I think they mean ruby devs jumping ship to do node.js instead

00:49 <mdev> idk

00:49 <jtal> thats weird, I dont see them as having the same purpose

00:49 <apeiros_unid> haukur: you're welcome, have fun ;-)

00:49 <jtal> I write little things when its important to get done quick rather than be something I can rely on for the next several years

00:49 <mdev> jtal well with node.js lets you us js server side as well as client

00:49 <mdev> so touches both sides

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00:50 <jtal> yeah, I'm just saying I cant imagine doing a big production project in node

00:50 <jtal> although I havent done one in rails yet so we'll see :>

00:50 <mdev> me either, I recently replaced 800 lines of C code with < 100 lines in node.js for a simple networking project for a client, but javascript for me is far too limiting for most things, given the callback nature and no multi-threads

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00:51 <h0rrorvacui> node.js is lucrative to startups because if they are lucky they can hire for full stack javascript developers.

00:51 <mdev> ruby seems like it'd be more indepth

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00:53 <h0rrorvacui> and by lucky I mean competent javascript developers

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00:54 <jtal> hm I wonder what they use for db layer

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00:54 <mdev> not sure

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00:55 <mdev> node.js at least has built in stuff I never really researched it

00:55 <jtal> thats the main thing drawing me to rails I guess; I have been using play and an ORM that is starting to disappear into thin air

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00:55 <h0rrorvacui> http://sequelizejs.com/

00:55 <h0rrorvacui> is popular

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00:56 <h0rrorvacui> I don't like spending much time in javascript though so don't ask me anything about it

00:56 <jtal> huh interesting

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00:57 <jxport> ok hmm

00:57 <jxport> so i think i've implemented game of life

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00:57 <mdev> h0rrorvacui I take it you don't do any front-end dev work :)

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00:58 <h0rrorvacui> nope

00:58 <h0rrorvacui> lol

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00:58 <mdev> for awhile i did lot of stuff in raw javascript, was incredibly dumb given how easy and powerful jquery is, and lets you do so much more with much little effort

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00:59 <mdev> i'm very new to ruby

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01:04 <mdev> ruby jobs seem to pop up on elance so figured i'd learn the language

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01:04 <mdev> some companies when they get their mind set on ruby, it's all about ruby, I don't really see that much with php

01:05 <h0rrorvacui> I don't know I've seen some php zealots as well. I do believe the cooler looking places to work seem to be node.js/ruby/django shops

01:06 <h0rrorvacui> Besides would you rather look at php or javascript/ruby/python?

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01:06 <h0rrorvacui> Maybe not good to lump javascript with ruby and python

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01:09 <Zhwazi> I would much rather learn any of the latter three than the first of the four

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01:34 <shevy> mdev because ruby is elegant

01:34 <shevy> unlike php which is burned spaghetti

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01:36 <h0rrorvacui> I think you figured out why php is so prolific. It looks like a flying spaghetti monster and therefore people mistook it for a religion.

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01:36 <shevy> hehe

01:37 <shevy> and it's easy to use on the web!

01:37 <shevy> unlike plain ruby out of the box which sucks for the web

01:37 <h0rrorvacui> that too

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01:58 <shevy> hmmm

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03:13 <krakenr> I have a question on open uri vs net-http

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03:14 <krakenr> the headers I'm getting back are different when I use open uri vs net-http; open uri is missing a few headers

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04:21 <kooper> how do I find out which libraries are being used to compile an rvm installed ruby?

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04:24 <jrobeson> kooper, asking in #rvm would likely get a better response if google doesn't help

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04:29 <Fuzai> is there a way to delete the file behind an open file based on its open file handle?

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04:39 <unstable> Fuzai: Are you using temp file? or you just want to delete any file?

04:39 <pontiki> ...

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04:40 <Fuzai> it's a temp file handle passed to me by sinatra

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04:42 <Fuzai> i want to delete it after i've used it for reading

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04:43 <unstable> Fuzai: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2806053/how-can-i-delete-a-file-in-sinatra-after-it-has-been-sent-via-send-file

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04:44 <unstable> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18232088/in-ruby-on-rails-after-send-file-method-delete-the-file-from-server

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04:45 <Fuzai> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11090525/sinatra-file-deleter <-- would this not work?

04:46 <unstable> Fuzai: I have no idea. I'm just giving you links from things I Google. You can try #sinatra also

04:47 <unstable> I've never used sinatra before, I barely know what it is. Though I know how to delete files with regular ruby.

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05:57 <KK4MGV> POD is to perl as ??? is to ruby

05:58 <KK4MGV> what's ???

05:58 <KK4MGV> i really like how pod is embeddable, so you ship one file and it serves as documentation too :)

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06:22 <mr_snowf1ake> h0rrorvacui, i'm quoting you on that flying spaghetti monster

06:22 <mr_snowf1ake> comment

06:23 <h0rrorvacui> its public domain :P

06:24 <mr_snowf1ake> and let's ignore the fact that that comment was from hours and hours ago :P

06:24 <mr_snowf1ake> excellent :)

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06:36 <b00stfr3ak> I have a class file that will load the appropriate database gem(pg,mysql,sqlite) but when I require './filename' it calls all gems. Is there a way to only call the gem when the class is called?

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06:57 <wiiw> a = [Time.now].to_json ; JSON.parse(a).class != Time # why ?

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06:58 <wiiw> a = [Time.now].to_json ; b=JSON.parse(a) ; b[0].class != Time # why ?

07:00 <mr_snowf1ake> wiiw, because the output type of JSON.parse is of type String

07:00 <mr_snowf1ake> are you trying to get a Time object out?

07:00 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: yes

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07:00 <mr_snowf1ake> a = [Time.now].to_json ; b=Time.new(JSON.parse(a))

07:01 <mr_snowf1ake> sorry, typo

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07:01 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: why use Time.new ?

07:01 <mr_snowf1ake> wiiw: a = [Time.now].to_json ; b=Time.new(JSON.parse(a)[0])

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07:02 <mr_snowf1ake> oh

07:02 <mr_snowf1ake> hmm

07:02 <mr_snowf1ake> that's still wrong

07:02 <mr_snowf1ake> sorry, just tried it, the output was not right... one sec...

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07:04 <wiiw> require 'time' ; Time.parse b[0]

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07:04 <mr_snowf1ake> wiiw, sorry, yeah, that's right

07:04 <wiiw> ...

07:05 <mr_snowf1ake> :P

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07:06 <wiiw> a = [Time.now].to_yaml ; b = YAML.load a ; b[0].class # guess b[0].class ?

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07:07 <wiiw> b[0].class == Time

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07:09 <mr_snowf1ake> but you wouldn't expect that behavior for YAML.parse

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07:10 <mr_snowf1ake> though JSON.load doesn't do that either

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07:12 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: JSON.load give me a String , not Time . YAML.load is right.

07:13 <mr_snowf1ake> wiiw, yes

07:13 <mr_snowf1ake> is it just me, or does the documentation for JSON.load makes it seem like it should return a Time object?

07:14 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: sure

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07:17 <mr_snowf1ake> so wiiw, your original question was with regards to this inconsistency?

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07:19 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: not sure

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07:25 <mr_snowf1ake> wiiw, could be due to a historical difference; it seems Ruby's YAML support comes from https://github.com/tenderlove/psych

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07:26 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: yes , from ruby's obj to yaml , and from yaml to ruby's obj

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07:31 <mr_snowf1ake> anyway, i've finished wrapping gifts and it's quite late... wiiw, good luck on that, and good night and a merry christmas to everyone!

07:32 <wiiw> mr_snowf1ake: ...

07:33 <mr_snowf1ake> wiiw, what can i say, it's 2:30 and i'm not thinking straight :/

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07:36 <wiiw> merry christmas ...

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07:43 <KK4MGV> does ruby have an equivalent of C's warn(3)?

07:43 <KK4MGV> err, i mean warnx()

07:43 <KK4MGV> from err.h

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07:45 <KK4MGV> where it prints {name of program}: {your formatted warning} to stderr

07:45 <KK4MGV> Kernel#warn doesn't do the first part

07:46 <wiiw> KK4MGV: p caller.grep /[^gems]/

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07:48 <dseitz> probably write warnx using STDERR.print File.basename($0), ': ', msg, ':

07:48 <dseitz> and whatever else you want

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07:52 <KK4MGV> hmm, what's the deal with STDERR vs $stderr

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07:54 <wiiw> > STDERR == $stderr

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07:54 <dseitz> STDERR is a constant; $stderr is a global variable and can be redefined (to pipe to another area perhaps)

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10:06 <hakunin> I wonder does ruby have an array method that returns an element you supply if it's in the array or nil? Something like [:foo, :bar].get(:foo) # => :foo, [:foo, :bar].get(:x) # => nil, without the whole [:foo, :bar].find{|e| e == :foo} or :foo if [:foo, :bar].include?(:foo)?

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10:08 <hakunin> seems too simple an operation for such complex expression…

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10:24 <SergeyPenkin> What is bundler setup? I am trying to run an application on RoR and getting the error 'cannot load such file -- bundler/setup'

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10:24 <SergeyPenkin> I am a newbie in Ruby, please do not throw feces at me.

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10:26 <Hanmac> SergeyPenkin: #bundler #rubyonrails

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11:04 <shevy> test

11:05 <alexherbo2> is there an equivalent of Regexp#scan which returns MatchData llist, instead of String llist?

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11:05 <shevy> SergeyPenkin are you a human being

11:05 <shevy> alexherbo2 hmm how about using []

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11:06 <SergeyPenkin> shevy, are you a gay?

11:06 <DouweM> SergeyPenkin: mind your manners

11:07 <shevy> though actually

11:07 <shevy> that won't return an array

11:07 <shevy> probably there is not

11:07 <shevy> SergeyPenkin oh I just wondered because you keep on adding "I am a newbie"

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11:07 <SergeyPenkin> DouweM, what's the matter? I am just asking.

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11:08 <SergeyPenkin> Don't tell me about manner.

11:08 <DouweM> SergeyPenkin: I doubt you were actually interested in shevy's sexuality

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11:09 <shevy> :D

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11:10 <alexherbo2> shevy: ?

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11:10 <robertjpayne> 2.1 releasing today hopefully :) woo hoo

11:10 <SergeyPenkin> DouweM, who cares what you doubt. He asked stupid question, he got one. Balance.

11:11 <Hanmac> alexherbo2:

11:11 <Hanmac> >> "abc".to_enum(:scan,/\w/).map {$~}

11:11 <eval-in> Hanmac => [#<MatchData "a">, #<MatchData "b">, #<MatchData "c">] (https://eval.in/82764)

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11:11 <shevy> alexherbo2 I don't think there is an equivalent to Regexp#scan returning MatchData objects

11:12 <DouweM> SergeyPenkin: he asked a stupid question, he got a derogatory remark. that's not balance, that's disrespectful

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11:12 * Hanmac thinks that he means String#scan because Regexp#scan does not exist

11:12 <shevy> SergeyPenkin the point is that this is the second time you add that you are a newbie

11:12 <DouweM> SergeyPenkin: but hey, I don't have any punitive powers here anyway, so I'm fine if we leave it at this

11:13 <shevy> SergeyPenkin you then insinuate that "feces" could be thrown at it. now I am curious for your upcoming next question

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11:14 <SergeyPenkin> So he's question wasn't deragotory? And yeah, thank God you don't have such a power because you have a biased opinion to others.

11:14 <SergeyPenkin> That's probably why you don't have it.

11:14 <DouweM> Says the person asking people if they're gay :/

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11:14 <DouweM> But yeah, I'm probably not the person best fitted for op rights

11:15 <SergeyPenkin> Exactly

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11:17 <Hanmac> apeiros_unid: did you know the first time i read your "new" nick i read it as "uuid" and i was wondering: "why does apeiros need a uuid?" ;P

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11:18 <DouweM> apeiros_unid: what's up with that new nick anyway?

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11:19 <Hanmac> i think he forgot his password and cant identify anymore :(

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11:21 <apeiros_unid> I never knew my password. That's what I have a keychain for. But my laptop with the keychain on it is currently in repair and the backup is a bit difficult to access ATM.

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12:04 <alexherbo2> Hanmac: thanks :) https://bitbucket.org/alexherbo2/dotfiles/commits/53d73fd0b3b0911722e1d3bde2287e02a1dc3eb6

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12:08 <Hanmac> hm imo there should be MatchData#named_captures or something similar

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12:12 <apeiros_unid> Hanmac: agreed

12:12 <apeiros_unid> Hanmac: also there should be a matching mode where quantified captures return an array of captures

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12:12 <apeiros_unid> e.g. "foo".match(/(o)+/).captures # => [["o", "o"]]

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12:18 <shevy> Hanmac file an issue at the bug tracker!

12:18 <shevy> and document wxwidget bindings!

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12:57 <alexherbo2> Hanmac: MatchData#named_capture_groups added https://bitbucket.org/alexherbo2/dotfiles/commits/6b84debbca00b803a3c8dce34b1f42558c32e193 +Thanks

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12:58 <Hanmac> you dont need self. at this place but it does not hurt

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12:59 <Hanmac> apeiros_unid: i think MatchData#captures is broken when a regexp has both named and unnamed capture groups

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13:05 <shevy> anyone of you being a super good user of sublime text

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13:07 <DouweM> shevy: I'm definitely not, but what's your question?

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13:08 <shevy> DouweM I need a smart guy using sublime ;) I need to estimate whether switching to another editor is worth it. my current one is rather limited, it's now becoming clearer when I want to edit large files with parsing of the buffer and assigning colours to that buffer - a file with like 12.000 lines, a total of 1.2 MB, takes about ... 20 seconds to load up

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13:08 <pontiki> you are editing a 1.2 MB file??

13:09 <pontiki> why?

13:09 <pontiki> no editor is going to work with that quickly

13:09 <shevy> pontiki man please

13:09 <shevy> pontiki vim loads up like instantly

13:09 <shevy> and my editor does the same if the colour parsing isn't enabled

13:09 <pontiki> vim is loading a fraction

13:09 <shevy> please man

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13:10 <yxhuvud> emacs handles that fine as long as it is not on one long line.

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13:10 <yxhuvud> actually 1mb is probably not big enough to be really troublesome.

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13:12 <shevy> DouweM what editor are you using when modifying ruby files?

13:12 <DouweM> shevy: Sublime

13:12 <DouweM> shevy: I never have to work with 1.2MB files though, so I have no idea how it would perform in that situation

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13:13 <shevy> hehe... I also have another one that is 14M

13:14 <DouweM> what the hell kind of files are you working with?

13:14 <shevy> all of them!

13:14 <shevy> there are small ones and large ones

13:14 <shevy> actually, the 14MB one is a log file

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13:15 <shevy> the 1.2 one is a ruby module which gets auto-populated with new data

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13:20 <DouweM> shevy: wait, you have a .rb file that is autopopulated with new data? Why are you storing the data inside the file? Why not use a different file or even a database?

13:21 <shevy> how would you get the data again?

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13:21 <DouweM> shevy: read the file using Ruby? I would really need to see an example though

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13:21 <shevy> DouweM you mean with File.readlines() ?

13:22 <DouweM> or any other File method

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13:24 <shevy> hmm one problem is that the file is split up into several sub-categories so I would have to manually parse the data that any File method would give me

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13:25 <shevy> and if I would use something like sqlite, I would lose the ability to modify that file directly in an editor. It does not only get autopopulated sometimes, I also sometimes manually modify it

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13:58 <kure> Damn, I'm running ruby 1.9.1 on Windows and even when requiring 'net/http' it gives this shitty NameError on Net::ReadTImeout

13:58 <kure> Linux/MacOSX works alright

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14:29 <tangrim> hey folks...is there any good docu / tutorial for ajax on rails ?

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14:37 <Hanmac> tangrim: #rubyonrails

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14:37 <tangrim> Hanmac: i asked there no reply yet

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14:38 <Hanmac> kure show me your gist, and compare the versions from windows and the other, maybe the linux version is newer than the windows one?

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14:39 <kure> Hanmac, thanks for the attention! It's the same version - I'm making a gem `quickpress` and the Net part works fine there. I'll go grab it

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14:40 <Hanmac> kure: are you sure about the version? try "ruby -v"

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14:40 <kure> Hanmac, you were right! On linux is 2.0.0 and on windows is 1.9.3

14:41 <Hanmac> tangrim: and why do you think that we have earlier answers? its like asking about "green" in the "#green" channel and then ask in the "#red" channel because the other didnt answer fast enough :-

14:41 <kure> It messes up here, at `rescue` https://github.com/alexdantas/quickpress/blob/master/bin/qp#L689

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14:41 <kure> even requiring net/http gives me that NameError on Net::ReadTImeout... Is that a ruby version issue then?

14:42 <Hanmac> yeah, 1.9.* didnt had ReadTImeout ... moment i look for the right thing

14:43 <kure> Hanmac, thanks a lot! Strangely I couldn't find it anywhere. Will look for alternatives

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14:45 <Hanmac> kure: good that i log this channel ;P at the 10.12.2013 someone had a similar poroblem:

14:45 <Hanmac> begin ... <code> rescue Net.const_defined?(:ReadTimeout) ? Net::ReadTimeout : EOFError; end

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14:47 <kure> Hanmac, I'll start logging myself too. Thanks for the contribution! Will credit you at the repo :)

14:47 <Hanmac> you dont need to but i cant stop you if you want ;D

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16:49 <havenwood> Merry Christmas! Yay for Ruby 2.1! \o/

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17:03 <shevy> Hanmac1 is it easily possible to freeze a variable but not running into a runtime error when trying to modify it?

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17:04 <Hanmac> i dont think so, but you can try some kind of delegator class

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19:13 <kate_r> with oauth2, would it be relevant if the API is to be used by the developer's own app? that is, client ID would seem to be redundant because there's only one available client. is oauth2 needed if the client is to be trusted?

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20:39 <lewix> merry christmas

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20:44 <atmosx> https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide

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20:44 <atmosx> merry christmas

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20:46 <havenwood> Merry Christmas!

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21:06 <michael_____> hey all, how do I check within rspec a called method for a specififc argument?

21:06 <Jamo> mock it?

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21:17 <shevy> lick it

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21:42 <shevy> any of you guys here using ruby-gnome?

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21:51 <unstable> shevy: nope, I looked into ruby bindings for fun. Though it seems like the lag to keep up with the latest widget libraries is too high.

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21:52 <unstable> My suspicion is you need to pick a library/binding set that is widely used, by a main stream/reputable source.. to guarantee your project components don't go defunkt.

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21:52 <unstable> eg, pygtk/pyqt are in ubuntu by default iirc. So those are likely to live on for awhile.

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21:53 <unstable> I don't even think anything in the default ubuntu relies on ruby

21:53 <unstable> let alone ruby-gnome

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21:55 <Xeago> ruby-qt is quite ok too

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21:59 <unstable> I think that doesn't use the latest version of qt last I checked.

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21:59 <unstable> versus pyqt which has qt4 and qt5, iirc.

21:59 <shevy> yeah unstable

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22:01 <unstable> pyqt won wrt the network effect afaict

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22:02 <shevy> :(

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22:19 <alex88> hi guys, I've this line googleResponse.answer.map { |answer| answer[2].kind_of? IN::A ? answer[2].address.to_s : answer[2].to_s } and I'm getting undefined method `address' for #<Resolv::DNS::Resource::IN::CNAME>, why is it calling address for the class which isn't an IN::A?

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22:23 <pontiki> alex88: it's not

22:24 <alex88> pontiki: now I'm getting kind_of?': class or module required (TypeError) on a Resolv::DNS::Resource::IN::A object, maybe I'm confused about some things :D

22:24 <pontiki> but i'd throw some parents around the kind_of? argument

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22:24 <pontiki> so: kind_of?(IN::A)

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22:25 <pontiki> i think you're getting an operator precedence syntax error

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22:26 <alex88> you are right man

22:26 <alex88> that worked perfectly ;)

22:26 <alex88> thanks a lot!

22:26 <pontiki> parens* .. not parents :) lol

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22:26 <shevy> so you throw your parents around

22:26 <shevy> rather brutal of you man

22:26 <pontiki> blv i just corrected that girl

22:27 <alex88> lol

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22:38 <shevy> Hanmac1, why aren't you using ruby-gnome btw? or rather why are you using wxwidgets

22:38 <shevy> ack

22:38 <Hanmac1> i dont remember the reason anymore ...

22:38 <shevy> rubyforge.org

22:38 <shevy> "RubyForge will be shutting down on May 15 2014."

22:38 <emocakes> merry xmas shevy <3

22:39 <shevy> hey emocakes

22:39 <shevy> merry emoxmas!

22:39 <emocakes> n'awww

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22:45 <shevy> in australia presents are brought not by santa but by kangaroos right?

22:45 <emocakes> what do you mean in australia?

22:45 <emocakes> isnt it that way everywhere else?

22:45 <emocakes> :o

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22:48 <shevy> no ... in europe they dress up old fat hobos as santas and send them around town ... :P

22:49 <emocakes> ohh

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22:52 <shevy> how do you guys document a method in a .rb file

22:53 <havenwood> shevy: with the code itself

22:53 <havenwood> :P

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22:53 <shevy> yeah, I meant

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22:54 <shevy> do you use something like a standard template? some convention? like "title of the method first, synopsis of arguments + explanation next, finally the description of what it does, then a newline or decorator"

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22:55 <havenwood> shevy: TomDoc seems nice: http://tomdoc.org/

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23:45 <Nowaker> ConditionVariable#wait used to have two method arguments in ruby 2.0: mutex, timeout=nil

23:45 <Nowaker> in ruby 2.1 there's only one: mutex

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23:46 <Nowaker> what should I use now if I want to wait for mutex to release, with a timeout of 60 seconds?

23:46 <Nowaker> the previous code was: mutex.synchronize { condition.wait mutex, 60 }

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23:53 <havenwood> Nowaker: Are you sure you're in 2.1 not 1.8? :P

23:53 <havenwood> Nowaker: RUBY_VERSION

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23:55 <havenwood> Nowaker: It does work in 2.1 but you'd expect the error you got in 1.8.

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23:59 <Nowaker> havenwood: actually, it works, just checked it. but when I check the source of ConditionVariable, I clearly see this: def wait(timeout = nil)

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