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<nobitanobi>
hihi
<xibalba>
byebye
<nobitanobi>
:(
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<DouweM>
aw
<DouweM>
hi nobitanobi
<nobitanobi>
DouweM, hi!
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<bbloom>
a year or two ago, i read an article containing graphs of dynamic/metaprogramming construct usage over time. it showed that over the initial period of time, ruby programs do a lot of metaprogramming, but eventually stablize to something relatively static.
<bbloom>
does anybody know where i can find that article?
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<IceDragon>
"Ruby: You shoot yourself in the foot and then have to justify it to all your friends who are still naively using Perl."
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<tjbiddle>
Anyone know how to disable debug ERB logging?
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<RubyPanther>
bbloom: I don't know the article, but I remember in the past at one of the Ruby conventions, a bunch of smart people sat down and created a resource injection system for Ruby, then they went home and decided Ruby could already meet the use cases with mixins.
<bbloom>
RubyPanther: i'm mostly interested from a VM-designers perspective. this idea that most of the time code takes the fast-path after some initial "settling" period is interesting to me. was hoping to find those graphs to illustrate that point
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<user4599>
Hey, is anyoen here?
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<user4599>
Hello is anyone out there?
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<pontiki>
shades of The Wall
<pontiki>
o/~ All alone, or in twos / The ones who really love you / Walk up and down outside the wall / Some hand in hand / Some gathering together in bands / The bleeding hearts and the artists / Make their stand // And when they've given you their all / Some stagger and fall after all it's not easy / banging your heart against some mad buggers Wall ~/o
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<user5555>
Hey, is anyone here?
<sevenseacat>
no.
<user5555>
Is thsi the freenode for ruby coding?
<user5555>
I am trying to decide whether to learn ruby or go with python?
<user5555>
Do you know which would be better?
<sevenseacat>
thats a loaded question
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<user5555>
I already paid for a ruby course and am about to finish it.
<jrobeson>
neither are better.. they are both good
<pontiki>
yes
<jrobeson>
in different ways
<sevenseacat>
asking which language is better in a channel dedicated to one of the two
<pontiki>
it's better to learn ruby or go with python
<jrobeson>
hah :)
<havenwood>
user5555: learn Ruby
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<havenwood>
user5555: forsake the snake
<jrobeson>
python is nice.. don't so so mean to it!
<user5555>
Well, does anyone know where I could learn to build bots with ruby by chance? I'm eventually wanting to build websites, and I heard RoR was good for the backend, no?
<pontiki>
learn as many languages and frameworks as you can
<pontiki>
what kind of bots?
<jrobeson>
oh pontiki .. hi btw
<user5555>
I'm new to programming, I can't afford to go back to college for CS so have to teach myself.
<jrobeson>
user5555, it's possible that there are better libraries for interacting with reddit in python
<pontiki>
go ask it in a #java forum and they'll tell you java
<pontiki>
ask it in a Go forum and they'll tell you Go
<jrobeson>
but we wouldn't know.. none of us have looked
<jrobeson>
if some people are actually going to help you with your bot..and they use python, and you want their help
<pontiki>
user5555: what would be the downside of just starting
<jrobeson>
then python would be better
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<jrobeson>
but if you plan on figuring stuff out yourself.. just pick one..
<user5555>
pontiki: I dont know how to really start I guess.
<user5555>
IDK.
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<pontiki>
user5555: the key thing you need to learn, then, is how to come up with a problem, and break it down
<pontiki>
this has absolutely nothing to do with the language you choose to implement in
<user5555>
IC.
<user5555>
Ok, I will try to figure it out I guess.
<user5555>
I'm going to code.
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<user5555>
I think maybe that is best plan.
<pontiki>
i'm going to suggest you pick up "Think Like a Programmer" by Anton Spraul.
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<user5555>
Animawish, you go to University of Utah?
<Animawish>
yessir
<Animawish>
are you an IP wizard
<user5555>
I graduated from there.
<pontiki>
Also, "The Pragmatic Programmer" by Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt
<Animawish>
what year?
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<user5555>
2011.
<user5555>
pontiki: I'm not ignoreing you btw :P.
<Animawish>
sweet
<pontiki>
it's ok
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<Animawish>
i'm starting up in the EAE program. not totally sold on it but since I plan to work on games and it's technically a CS major i figure why not :p
<pontiki>
Another, if you can find it, is "Programming Pearls" by Jon Bentley
<user5555>
pontiki: Can I ask about those two books?
<user5555>
Are those two focused on ruby?
<pontiki>
ask away
<pontiki>
no
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<pontiki>
they are focused on the craft of software engineering
<user5555>
Ok, then I guess what would be the benefit (not questioning it, just curious).
<user5555>
Animawish: What year are you?
<Animawish>
freshman
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<user5555>
IC.
<Animawish>
my first semester here
<pontiki>
ok, so, user5555, bear in mind this is my opinion
<user5555>
pontiki: ok
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<pontiki>
but to me, software engineering, the craft of writing good software applications that do what you want them to, that work for others, has very very little to do with which language you pick, and very much to do with how you understand how to solve problems.
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<pontiki>
learning a syntax of a language is probably the easiest part of it all
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<sevenseacat>
ive heard good things about chris pine's "learn to program"
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<user5555>
pontiki: So, basically, I should stick with ruby, learn to program and think about programming, and then after doing that, it shoulnd't matter the langauge.
<pontiki>
i have as well; i just have not read it
<pontiki>
that's a start
<Animawish>
did you graduate in CS user5555?
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<pontiki>
do not ever learn or rely on a single language
<user5555>
Animawish: No.
<pontiki>
nor a single framework
<pontiki>
goodness
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<Animawish>
ballet then?
<pontiki>
i'm sound rather like the diserada now, arent i?
<Animawish>
I hear we've got a great ballet program
<user5555>
pontiki: Its ok, its undertandable.
<user5555>
pontiki: basically learn to program, don't worry about the language.
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<user5555>
pontiki: I guess I will just build shit and move on from there.
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<user5555>
pontiki: I guess asking questions like this is stupid.
<pontiki>
user5555: here's what i see. you've made an initial investment in learning ruby. it's worth your time honing your expertise in that language, and understanding how to solve problems in it
<pontiki>
and eventually, pick up python.
<pontiki>
and perl
<pontiki>
and lispo
<pontiki>
s/o$//
<user5555>
pontiki: One last question, are there any sites that go over things to build. Like goals and you find way to build it with ruby?
<lewellyn>
and C and...
<user5555>
pontiki: Puzzles I guess.
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<pontiki>
ruby koans still about, folks?
<pontiki>
project euler
<ddd>
yedp
<ddd>
s/d//
<pontiki>
pick up an old textbook on data structure and algorithms, and implement them in ruby
<pontiki>
lipschutz's book is still around someplaces
<user5555>
IC, so go with ruby koans and then go project euler.
<user5555>
Then maybe build some stuff too.
<pontiki>
don knuth's books are epic
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<user5555>
THen move onto ruby on rails and build stuff.
<pontiki>
it's a start, hey
<pontiki>
be curious
<pontiki>
make something every day
<pontiki>
read a lot
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<pontiki>
i need to stop now because all i'm doing it pontificating and offering platitudes
<user5555>
I wish I could, but I'm limited on time.
<ddd>
invest time and effort. get skills in return
<user5555>
I work a full time job now. I want to move into programming though.
<user5555>
But, I make time after work.
<user5555>
I have PTO this week, that is why I can chat.
<pontiki>
you'll either do it, or you won't
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<pontiki>
i'll never be a good painter because i only have time for it 2 hours a week in class
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<user5555>
pontiki: I think that if that is all the time that person has, its better than doing nothing.
<pontiki>
bingo
<user5555>
pontiki: The painter that is.
<pontiki>
me,
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<pontiki>
i'm the painter
<ddd>
either its a passion or its not. invest your time in passions. not passing personal fads
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<pontiki>
good words
<user5555>
pontiki: Fair enough, I'm going to go code now unless you have any last thoughts or advice.
<pontiki>
nope
<pontiki>
oh maybe
<pontiki>
don't trust anything you hear on irc
<pontiki>
do your own research
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<pontiki>
there i'm done
<ddd>
computers for me are a passion. all things computers. its the one thing that I *always* return to of all the different things I try or have tried in my life.
<user5555>
pontiki: This is doing research in a way :). Anyhow, see you and thanks for the chat.
<ddd>
thats a passion. i invest my time and effort in that. I do diesel mechanic studies because its what's needed where i live. I invest every other waking moment to computers in some form or another
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<ddd>
thats how you know what your 'calling' is. invest in that
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<user5555>
IC.
<user5555>
Ok, well, going to do that now.
<user5555>
Going to go program.
<user5555>
See you all.
<ddd>
later
<user5555>
Thanks again.
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<pontiki>
best of
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<i8igmac>
can some one help me with a little socket error handle
<i8igmac>
s=TCPServer.new('localhost',80); rescue, 'port already in use'
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<i8igmac>
how can i report the error of s=TCPServer.new('localhost',80); rescue
<i8igmac>
if its permission denied
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<bnagy>
look at the exception?
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<bnagy>
or use multiple rescue statements
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<Guest72999>
d
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<MrLinuxSwigger>
:)
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<MrLinuxSwigger>
i guess being a Software Designer is being in the same vein as a engineer
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<Demerzel>
trying to get that nickname? method to be private but not having any luck
<LadyRainicorn>
class << obj
<LadyRainicorn>
private methname
<LadyRainicorn>
end
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<Demerzel>
LadyRainicorn: that worked! What does that do exactly?
<LadyRainicorn>
It opens obj's singleton class and declares methname private.
<Demerzel>
not sure about the class << object_instance do ... end syntax
<LadyRainicorn>
There's no do.
<Demerzel>
oh right
<Demerzel>
will that affect any future instances created from the class?
<Demerzel>
e.g. from my pastebin, if nickname? wasn't private and I used that syntax, would it make all future Person's have a private nickname? or only the instance I just changed?
<Demerzel>
time to experiment!
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<Demerzel>
holy crap
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<Demerzel>
it just affects the instance
<Demerzel>
good to know :-)
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<LadyRainicorn>
Yeah, that's what you want right?
<Demerzel>
thanks LadyRainicorn
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<Demerzel>
yup
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<LadyRainicorn>
ok np
<pontiki>
nini
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<xfce-x64>
Can some1 please make program for me to add two input from user .. I want to try on my own webserver ..
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<sevenseacat>
make it yourself?
<sevenseacat>
a program that adds two inputs is kinda trivial
<LadyRainicorn>
??+p
<LadyRainicorn>
@xfce-x64
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<xfce-x64>
sevenseacat, Please do it
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<xfce-x64>
I want to test
<LadyRainicorn>
xfce-x64: ??+p
<sevenseacat>
lol
<bnagy>
guess it's homework season again
<LadyRainicorn>
Your question has been answered.
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<apeiros>
xfce-x64: this channel is to help, not to do your work. if you want work done for you, pay someone.
<bnagy>
what's ??+p, anyway?
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<LadyRainicorn>
It's a dc program that takes two user inputs, adds them, and outputs the result.
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<bnagy>
ahhh dc. Wow. Haven't used that in.. nevermind
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<lewellyn>
let's not start the bc vs dc holy war ;)
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<LadyRainicorn>
RPN is the one true notation!
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<LadyRainicorn>
I actually still use dc for command line math stuff
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<LadyRainicorn>
It works fairly well.
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<Garo__>
Hello. I have a library which contains functions inside a module (Opscode::Aws::Ec2). In other block, I can list the functions with Opscode::Aws::Ec2.instance_methods(false) which prints [:ec2] (ec2 is the function). How ever if I try to execute the ec2 function I get this error: "undefined method `ec2' for Opscode::Aws::Ec2:Module". Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
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<LadyRainicorn>
You can't execute the methods of a module without including it in a class or object.
<LadyRainicorn>
Well you're ignoring failure to load a dependency, which is bad.
<LadyRainicorn>
And you should do that at the top.
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<LadyRainicorn>
And you probably want a class.
<Garo__>
LadyRainicorn: care to elaborate?
<LadyRainicorn>
It is not good for modules to have state.
<LadyRainicorn>
Look at your ec2 function.
<LadyRainicorn>
rescue logs an error and continues.
<LadyRainicorn>
This is bad.
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<Garo__>
yeah, I know that it has a state. It's not my module and not my function. The aws cookbook is a commonly used cookbook in the Chef community and in my case I can't do any changes to that, but I just have to use it as-is.
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<Garo__>
well I suppose that I could fork that module into my project and fix these problens if I don't find any other choises
<LadyRainicorn>
The specific problem here is that new_resource is not defined.
<LadyRainicorn>
I get the feeling you are using this in a way it qasn't intended to be.
<LadyRainicorn>
This looks like a module meant for inclusion in a specific class.
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<Garo__>
yeah, that might very well be the case and that my poor Chef knowledge is shooting me in my foot :(
<LadyRainicorn>
First, the code is shit.
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<LadyRainicorn>
Second, you need to instantiate whatever thing this is meant for and use that.
<LadyRainicorn>
This module just doesn't contain the required code anywhere.
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<Garo__>
LadyRainicorn: ok, thanks. Seems that I have to revisit my plan and learn how this module was supposed to be used in the first place and then think if I should reimplement it so that it would be better code in terms of error handling etc
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<Garo__>
LadyRainicorn: your input was greatly appreciated :)
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<LadyRainicorn>
np
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<vifo>
Hey guys. I am quite new to ruby and struggling a bit with "nil"ness and "empty"ness.
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<tobiasvl>
vifo: fire away
<vifo>
Say i have a variable a, possibly nil. Is there a better way to check for emptyness that "if (@a.nil? == false and @a)"?
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<shevy>
this is awful
<vifo>
I mean @a.
<shevy>
what is "emptyness" btw?
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<vifo>
emptyness here: variable a == "", so a is a string or undef
<vifo>
nil i mean.
<shevy>
ok, so with emptyness you mean an object taht is either nil, or a string object without size
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<vifo>
yes, for this particular case
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<shevy>
puts 'Exists. ' unless @a.nil? or @a.empty?
<vifo>
Okay, but still two comparisons are needed?
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<shevy>
well you want to check on two different conditions
<shevy>
first you need to check nil vs. non-nil
<shevy>
seconds you want to check if the string object has size 0 or not
<vifo>
Exactly.
<shevy>
I think rails has some addition
<avril14th>
you have Rails::blank for strings, but nothing like nil or empty for arrays
<shevy>
yeah
<avril14th>
blank is nil or ""
<vifo>
I understand that nil cannot provide .empty?, thought there would be some magic though
<tobiasvl>
vifo: not sure what languages you know, but in ruby empty strings are not falsy, so you do need two checks
<shevy>
vifo yeah, rails magic :D
<avril14th>
you do do try vifo
<avril14th>
if array.try(:empty?)
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<avril14th>
this is a two in one
<shevy>
what is #try ?
<vifo>
tobiasvl: Perl, for >10 years now. So ruby seems both familiar and completely different to me :)
<shevy>
it attempts to take over the world, I think
<RubyRonin>
using rails, attempting to pull each payment out of the payment table
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<shevy>
RubyRonin when you have code like this, something seems to not make sense. why would you want to iterate when you then call other methods anyway
<shevy>
@customer.payment.each do |payment|
<shevy>
@customer.payment.all
<shevy>
besides
<shevy>
where do you use |payment| ?
<LadyRainicorn>
I am pretty sure that's not taking over the world.
<shevy>
hehe
<RubyRonin>
I don't, I tired and it didn't work
<RubyRonin>
tried
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<shevy>
RubyRonin tried where or how?
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<shevy>
RubyRonin there is no Object#all btw and if it is rails specific it would have to go into #rubyonrails - if I were you, I would write a method that will do the <tr><td> generation inside of it, and you should then only feed it the array you want to display
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<lewiz>
I'm looking at some Ruby code that is trying to read from a file: cache_path + user_path. e.g. this might be /myapp/cache/usr/scripts/scriptname. On UNIX this works okay but for Windows we fail as: C:\myapp\cache\c:\usr\scripts\scriptname is invalid due to the c: in the second path. Is there a function I can use that will sanely sanitise the name?
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<oddalot>
maybe regex?
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<lupine>
File.join generally
<lupine>
lewiz, although it might not work for this specific case without making user_path relative
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<Jdubs>
Hello! o/
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<Jdubs>
Anyone awake enough to help me out? :)
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<canton7-mac>
Ask, and there's a chance you'll receive :P
<lewiz>
lupine: I see. Do you know of a good way to make user_path relative? I know I can just detect "n:\" and strip it by hand but it seems there might be a "correct" way?
<Jdubs>
Sweet!
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<Jdubs>
Okay: I'm deleting an object from a group of objects that are used to make a table. I've checked the store to make sure it gets deleted, and it does. However, the list doesn't update :( Any idea?
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<canton7-mac>
context? database?
<Jdubs>
I'm using deleteRecord if that's what you mean?
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<canton7-mac>
deleteRecord on *what*. What is it that you're calling deleteRecord on?
<Jdubs>
an item in a collection of models
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<canton7-mac>
who defined the method 'deleteRecord'?
<Jdubs>
they are used in an {{#each }} to make a table
<canton7-mac>
what library are you using?
<Jdubs>
ember data
<Jdubs>
aww crap
<Jdubs>
LOL
<Jdubs>
im in the wrong room
<Jdubs>
sigh
<Jdubs>
Sorry it's late :(
<canton7-mac>
heh, no worries
<Jdubs>
wow its 4am
<Jdubs>
why am i working :/
<Jdubs>
still at the office too lol
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<Jdubs>
canton7-mac: so what are you doing up so late :P
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<Rydekull>
late? it has just been lunch
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<Jdubs>
where are you?
<Jdubs>
its 4am here
<Jdubs>
lol
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<canton7-mac>
Jdubs, lunch is just coming up
<canton7-mac>
GMT here
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<Jdubs>
you in the uk?
<canton7-mac>
yeah
<Jdubs>
cool
<Jdubs>
I'm getting married there this month!
<canton7-mac>
ooh very nice! whereabouts?
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<Jdubs>
Clearwater castle in glouchestershire (however you spell it)
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<canton7-mac>
cool, looks like a nice place
<workmad3>
Jdubs: gloucestershire
<workmad3>
Jdubs: pronounced 'glos-ter-shire'
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<Jdubs>
My family lives in swansea area
<workmad3>
Jdubs: and not (as I have heard once) 'glue-chester-shire' :)
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* workmad3
grew up in gloucestershire
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<Jdubs>
workmad3 I haven't seen the castle in person, have you ever seen it?
<workmad3>
nope
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<Jdubs>
I got really bad news about the wedding the other day
<workmad3>
I didn't realise there was a castle nearby :)
<Jdubs>
apparently i have to give a speech :(
<Jdubs>
i don't do speeches...
<workmad3>
me neither
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<workmad3>
I managed to avoid speeches at my wedding (apart from a very brief one from my best man)
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<Jdubs>
man, im just afraid im going to freak out or break down or something
<Jdubs>
only speech i ever gave in college was to about 10 people, and i was shaking
<Jdubs>
and my voice was quivering
<Jdubs>
this is going to be like 50+ people
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<workmad3>
just thank everyone for coming, say that you hope they're enjoying themselves and pass on to the best man
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<workmad3>
and remember that it's your wedding, not theirs ;)
<Jdubs>
That's only slightly true lol
<Jdubs>
The wedding is more for everyone else than it is for us
<Jdubs>
we already got married, this is for the families
<pontiki>
workmad3++
<pontiki>
that is cool, Jdubs
<Jdubs>
Yeah, it will be nice though
<Jdubs>
We are going on honeymoon in the maldives
<Jdubs>
Anyone ever been there?
<Jdubs>
I hope it's nice
<shevy>
no mosquitoes?
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<pontiki>
omg, it's so lovely
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<pontiki>
i've not been, yet, but it's one of my hoped-for destinations
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<pontiki>
do you like to dive, Jdubs ?
<Jdubs>
used to be a certified scuba diver many years ago
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<pontiki>
cool
<pontiki>
the water is supposed to super clear, like the carribean
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<pontiki>
and warm :)))))
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<Jdubs>
sweet!
<Jdubs>
i think we are going to go snorkling when we aren't busy ;)
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<pontiki>
well, best of, congrats, and all that
<pontiki>
and really, workmad3 is so right about the speech
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<pontiki>
keep it very simple, short, people will love you for it
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<workmad3>
yeah, leave the long speech with inappropriate jokes up to the best man
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<Jdubs>
Thanks guys :)
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<Jdubs>
i miss working with ruby
<Jdubs>
they moved me from backend to frontend :(
<workmad3>
Jdubs: boo :(
<workmad3>
Jdubs: compile a ruby interpreter with emscriptem and write your code using ruby? :)
<Jdubs>
lol
<Jdubs>
:P
<workmad3>
Jdubs: how about coffeescript? :)
<Jdubs>
yeah im using cs
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<Jdubs>
Ember is a harsh mistress ill say that
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<vlad_starkov>
Question: anyone know how to properly set ruby environment variables to run .rb scripts from Automator app in OSX Mavericks?
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<kraljev>
hello, File#each_line
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<kraljev>
only gives one line per iteration
<kraljev>
how can i get, let's say 100?
<kraljev>
it has to be lazy, of course.
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<kraljev>
anyone?
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<olivier_bK>
give me one minute
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<cbetta>
How do I make a function like belongs_to for my class that gets inherited? Aka I want something like: class B < A; do_something :foo; end
<cbetta>
What would A look like?
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<niop>
hi folks, the jruby channel is typically rather quiet. I have a simply but frustrating issue if commment might be made on it here. When I run this code:
<niop>
require "java"
<niop>
java_import "java.io.File"
<niop>
puts ::File.expand_path 'myfile.txt'
<niop>
an error is produced:
<niop>
NoMethodError: undefined method `expand_path' for Java::JavaIo::File:Class
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<KevinSjoberg>
I would love some help with this. I have this {"E1"=>0.4875, "E2"=>0.4875, "E3"=>0.0075, "E4"=>0.0175} which defines a key with a defined probability of likelihood to be picked. I now want to get a random key according to the rules of probability.
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<cbetta>
niop ruby version?
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<KevinSjoberg>
Could I maybe the the probabilities and make a new array of cumulative sums and then binary search that array for a random value between 0 and 1? Given that the probabilities sum up to 1?
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<KevinSjoberg>
take*
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<niop>
cbetta: great, just sitting waiting and thinking about KevinSjoberg's issue. ruby version is the one that comes with jruby, which is 1.9
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<cbetta>
so jruby 1.9?
<niop>
jruby 1.7.5, with ruby 1.9.3
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<niop>
possibly jruby came with that version of ruby, forgotten now.
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<niop>
but it must have else it would be more recent version of ruby.
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<cout>
KevinSjoberg: total_weight = h.values.reduce(:+); r = rand(total_weight); t = 0; h.each { |value, prob| t += prob; return value if r < t }
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<cout>
I needed exactly what you asked for a few months ago :)
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<Hanmac1>
KevinSjoberg:
<Hanmac1>
>> data={"E1"=>0.4875, "E2"=>0.4875, "E3"=>0.0075, "E4"=>0.0175};i=0;p r= rand(); data.find {|k,v| r > v + i ? (i+=v;false) : true}
<cout>
yeah I guess mine expects whole number probabilities
<cout>
since that's what I needed when I wrote it
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<maasha>
Hi
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<KevinSjoberg>
Hanmac1, cout: Thanks, I'll look into that.
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<niop>
cbetta: solved in jruby. JavaFile = java.io.File to prevent java import clobbering the ruby class of the same name.
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<niop>
*#jruby channel
<cbetta>
aha
<cbetta>
makes sense
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<mboyd>
ah nuts, I'm having trouble with proxying a call to instance_eval again. it seems that when instance_eval is called it actually has access to the scope it is being called from - and if you proxy the call to instance_eval it no longer has access to the scope it was originally called from
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<banister>
mboyd not sure what u mean by that, you probably need to show some code :P
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<mboyd>
banister: yeah, good point
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<shevy>
mboyd is the magic of ruby confusing you? :>
<mboyd>
it is!
<mboyd>
:)
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* IceDragon
sprinkles some magic dust on shevy
<IceDragon>
morning
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<shevy>
mboyd it's for me as well, ruby can become very complex
<shevy>
method_missing is the devil
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<IceDragon>
shevy: you mean any of the *_missing methods
<shevy>
I dont know any other
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<IceDragon>
const_missing
<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
aha
<shevy>
a hook
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<shevy>
I even wrote it down
<IceDragon>
:P
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<shevy>
never saw it in use so far
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<IceDragon>
I've used it once
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<IceDragon>
to cheat a module with constants: so it called the method with the same name
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<maasha>
workmad3: hrmph. I still don't get it. I better take a break.
<workmad3>
maasha: that implementation doesn't actually call commands
<workmad3>
maasha: that wasn't something I bothered with
<workmad3>
maasha: the idea was that .call would execute a command, returning the result
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<workmad3>
maasha: and the PipelineChain .call method would chain them together
<IceDragon>
workmad3: can I adopt your code?
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<workmad3>
IceDragon: sure, go for it :)
<IceDragon>
ヽ(＾ヮ＾)ﾉ♪
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<maasha>
workmad3: Right. However, I guess my problem is that I would like to process each line/record one at a time and thus avoid reading in all data in memory.
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<workmad3>
maasha: you'd need to alter that a bit, probably with some block yielding, but it's still doable ;)
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<workmad3>
maasha: remember, that was just a PoC for the basic pipeline, not a full implementation
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<maasha>
workmad3: yup, some clever Enumerator - but I have been stuck with this problem for a while now.
<workmad3>
shouldn't need clever enumerator stuff
<workmad3>
you just need to use the Popen3 stuff to get the streams you need
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<workmad3>
hell, with popen3 stuff, you could probably connect the input/output streams up directly, so you'd yield the output from command1 and pass it into command2 as the input, and so on down the chain until you get to your 'final' block, where you can just pull out the results :)
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<maasha>
workmad3: ah, the commands cat, cut, grep are just place holders for ruby methods I want to use. So no popen3
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<PPH>
warjar I know I'm trying to work this around too
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<PPH>
I will try to refactor it in small methods, with short lines, maybe everything will clarify :)
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<waxjar>
PPH, i don't actually know what the class's supposed to do, but usually when you need to know a lot about the the attributes/state of another object, something's wrong.
<waxjar>
i think they call it "tell, don't ask"
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<PPH>
waxjar, yeah I feel some of these lines aren't in the good class
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<shevy>
PPH you should first analyze what you got here
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<shevy>
your constructer accepts one argument
<shevy>
so this is the only bottleneck you really depend on
<shevy>
the rest of the code in initialize could reside in other methods too
<PPH>
shevy, ok
<shevy>
I usually bundle it into the run() method
<shevy>
or rather, the run() method calls the respective separate methods
<PPH>
shevy, I see
<shevy>
which are small, and do the work
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<PPH>
ok
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<olivier_bK>
i get an error with my ruby script for backup mysql
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<adac>
is it possible to check if a linux process is running from ruby via ruby code?
<hoelzro>
adac: sure
<hoelzro>
what's the use case?
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<peb7268>
Hi, im trying to use capybara for some tests but they only pass when my window is maximized. Has anyone else seen this issue? I googled it but maybe I didnt type the right query bc I didnt see much on it.
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<adac>
hoelzro, just wanted to check if a linux process is running or not
<hoelzro>
adac: right, but why?
<hoelzro>
you can use /proc
<hoelzro>
but there might be better tools depending on the situation
<hoelzro>
or there might a better way to do what you're trying to do
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<adac>
hoelzro, I have to go now. Be back online bit later. Thank you and see you then!
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<peb7268>
Anybody got any guesses?
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<niop>
hi folks, having issues with require on a subfolder containing rb files. it should just be require "subfolder" to load all the ruby modules, and then module.function()?
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<niop>
when i try that i get: LoadError: no such file to load -- subfolder
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<DouweM>
you can't just require a directory, you need to require a file. that file can then require the other files. or you can loop over all files in a directory, and require all of them
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<niop>
ahhh ic. so the practice then would to have a directory initaliser that requires modules in the directory. why didn't i think of that.
<olivier_bK>
ity to get the return valu of my command @mysqldump
<shevy>
LadyRainicorn knows what's evil - she was forced to code in PHP!
<LadyRainicorn>
Redefining instance_eval is *evil**.
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<mboyd>
I'm trying to do it to work around an issue with proxying instance_eval
<kenichi>
haha, yes ok instance_eval is
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<DouweM>
wut. who wants to redefine instance_eval
<DouweM>
that's black magic
<LadyRainicorn>
There is no legitimate reason to do that ever.
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<lupine>
that's a dangerous statement
<mboyd>
heh
<DouweM>
right. who's looking to do that? mboyd?
<LadyRainicorn>
Yep.
<DouweM>
WHY I ask of you
<mboyd>
yeah, me
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<shevy>
WHY
<IceDragon>
mboyd: are you sure there is no other way to solve the problem?
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<shevy>
LET'S BURN HIM
<LadyRainicorn>
Agreed.
<IceDragon>
shevy: can frost burns work?
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<shevy>
IceDragon nah we need a certain temperature
<IceDragon>
ahhh
<DouweM>
let's ddos his computer and hope it explodes
* IceDragon
droops
<mboyd>
IceDragon: everything else I've tried has not worked - and I think the issue is that in the case I'm running into, instance_eval actually needs to be executed in the specific scope that has access to the variables being referenced to work, passing instance_eval through the method_missing method loses that scope
<IceDragon>
!
<IceDragon>
O:
<DouweM>
what's the problem you're trying to solve?
<IceDragon>
I just remembered something
<shevy>
he wants to write the ultimate AI in ruby
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<mboyd>
hah
<IceDragon>
mboyd: eval has a second argument, binding
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<mboyd>
yeah, I've looked at that
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<IceDragon>
however the binding for an Object is private..
<h0rrorvacui>
He wants to write ruby code that writes ruby code?
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<shevy>
yeah
<_br_>
... meta programming
<shevy>
that is the meta of all the metas
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<LadyRainicorn>
There is no highest order of meta.
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<_br_>
meta's all the way
<DouweM>
mboyd's meta programming is getting dangerously close to instanity
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<yfeldblum>
mboyd: instance_eval is a simple way of getting a binding and evalling in the context of that binding
* Hanmac
's mind is gone thanks meta programming ... that coward runs away ;P
<LadyRainicorn>
mboyd's issue is that instance_eval is defined.
* IceDragon
hangs unto Hanmac's foot
<LadyRainicorn>
He would need to undefine it in the proxy class.
<IceDragon>
come back!
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<zener79>
\whois
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<LadyRainicorn>
(I am not sure if remove_method or undef is the right way to do that, and I haven't a console handy.)
<shevy>
you just like to watch misery and pity, admit it h0rrorvacui
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<atrli>
hi
<mboyd>
every time I try that I get worse failures :/
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<shevy>
GOOD
<shevy>
you are on the right way
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<shevy>
3 hours down the road you will have realized how evil it all was
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<mboyd>
hah
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<atrli>
I dunno why when I do a "bundle install" I get an error like this: "Can't find the postgreSQL client library (libpq) I have installed libpq-dev but I get the same, any ideas?
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<mboyd>
ok, so can someone tell me how to take a method from one object and assign it to another, so that a.methodname actually points to b.methodname?
<mboyd>
I'm pretty sure that would solve the issue, is it possible to do in ruby?
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<h0rrorvacui>
call the other method in another method?
<mboyd>
I think I've done it in python :/
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<workmad3>
atrli: do you get anything if you do 'which pg_config' ?
<LadyRainicorn>
Are the objects of the same class?
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<mboyd>
h0rrorvacui: if I do that I lose the scope with the variable being used in the instance_eval
<LadyRainicorn>
If not, this is very very very dark magic.
<LadyRainicorn>
If so, it is dark magic.
<workmad3>
mboyd: that isn't your problem there, tbh
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<mboyd>
they are not, and yes, it probably is dark magic
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<workmad3>
mboyd: your problem is that you're using the string version of instance_eval rather than the block form
<LadyRainicorn>
Are you really, really sure you want to do that?
<atrli>
workmad3: /usr/bin/pg_config
<mboyd>
workmad3: yes, but that's not a problem I can solve
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<IceDragon>
mboyd: I tested it this time
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<IceDragon>
:)
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<IceDragon>
the method will do "nothing" if the instance_eval isn't set
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<platzhirsch>
So guys, what language to exercise interview questions?
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<_br_>
assembly
<hoelzro>
English?
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<rdark>
yiddish
<popl>
Deutsche
<IceDragon>
Haskell ?
<popl>
!
<_br_>
Svenska!
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<platzhirsch>
okay, very good suggestions so far
<platzhirsch>
IceDragon: and you are out
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<IceDragon>
:O But the functional goodness man
<Hanmac1>
platzhirsch: depends how nerdy the job is ... it could be Klingon ;P
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<platzhirsch>
C and Java seem reasonable. I started with Python, but some implementations for instance linked lists seem kind of awkward and out of place
<platzhirsch>
maybe this is better in Ruby
<_br_>
alternative Dothranki
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<platzhirsch>
oh is it spelled with an n?
<platzhirsch>
I always heared Dothraki
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<_br_>
No, you are right, my fingers are just to big ^^
<platzhirsch>
xDD
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<mboyd>
IceDragon: new code, new error!
<mboyd>
by the way, i appreciate your help looking at this :)
<IceDragon>
o_o but but but
<IceDragon>
my code is bullet proof!
<IceDragon>
well
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<IceDragon>
I forgot to give it a kelvar helmet
<IceDragon>
BUT STILL
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<IceDragon>
mboyd: can you give me the test code as well?
<IceDragon>
Whatever tid bits you where using to test it
<mboyd>
let me see if I can get it down to the bare minimum
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<lxsameer>
does gemcutter is the old name of rubygems.org
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<mboyd>
IceDragon: bre minimum is posted
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<mboyd>
*bare
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<IceDragon>
O: AHA!
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<IceDragon>
Meta Programming strikes again!
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<IceDragon>
mboyd: Okay this is the last push :D
<IceDragon>
try it now
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<mboyd>
IceDragon: not going to work, you changed the test!
<IceDragon>
wouldn't work
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<mboyd>
but it does for the first one: real.instance_eval "puts test"
<mboyd>
try it
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<mboyd>
that's my whole problem
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<havenwood>
magz: rvm actually even supports chruby, with rvm you get mrvm (mini-rvm) that uses chruby to select your Ruby and just installs Rubies with rvm.
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<magz>
seems interesting, havenwood
<havenwood>
But I think most chruby users use ruby-install or build Ruby themselves.
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<kraljev>
Hey, how can I make ruby desktop app
<kraljev>
in HTML5, using probably webkit
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<shevy>
in html you use javascript
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<kraljev>
I'd like to call ruby functions in javascript
<kraljev>
exactly
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<shevy>
we all would love to but a browser like firefox knows only javascript
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<havenwood>
kraljev: platform agnostic or particular to one?
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<kraljev>
preferably agnosic
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<kraljev>
i have been doing similar things with C++ and qt-webkit
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<kraljev>
javascript could call C++ functions
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<havenwood>
kraljev: about a year ago i was playing around with manually creating an OS X app with Sinatra and Webkit, kinda insane but work: https://github.com/havenwood/sinatra-dot-app
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<havenwood>
kraljev: uses apache-callback-mac
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<havenwood>
kraljev: yeah, i dunno
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<havenwood>
kraljev: maybe check out decaf, ship that with your app so you can use Ruby entirely and just not javascript at all: http://trydecaf.org/
<havenwood>
:P
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<kraljev>
is it in a gem form?
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<shevy>
cool
<havenwood>
kraljev: oh dang, it is OS X only as well >.>
<h0rrorvacui>
havenwood awesome I didn't even know decaf existed
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<havenwood>
kraljev: but no, it isn't a gem, only ships as an .app
<Hanmac1>
kraljev: i like to use C macros to bind C++ functions to ruby methods ;P
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<kraljev>
Apparently TideSDK is the only option, then
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<lewiz>
h0rrorvacui: I have some existing code that generates pathnames with / and I'm compare those strings with the output of a stat which uses \ names.
<atraa>
is there a way to read the whole content of a file? I'm using a iterator with the file.each_line to read all the content
<atraa>
can I do it in one step ?
<MrZYX>
atraa: File.read
<cout>
lewis: will File.absolute_path or File.expand_path give you a canonical pathname?
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<bnagy>
no
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<atraa>
oh nice thanks you MrZYX
<cout>
rubyhacker1 is the one you want to ask
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<bnagy>
anyway as far as ruby is concerned / is canonical
<lewiz>
cout: I'll check now, thanks
* Hanmac1
point and laugh about windows path names
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<lewiz>
cout: Yes, I think that does what I need. Thank you
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<bnagy>
wtf
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<Hanmac1>
bnagy there is File::Separator, but i didnt see a ruby where its different than "/"
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<bnagy>
it never is
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<cout>
Hanmac1: have you tried running ruby on System 6? I think there it would be |
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<cout>
(if one were to be silly enough to write a port)
<Hanmac1>
ther is also File::SEPARATOR #=> "/" and File::ALT_SEPARATOR #=> nil
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<h0rrorvacui>
File::ALT_SEPARATOR is for platform specific seperators
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<h0rrorvacui>
Ruby just converts for the platform and uses "/" internally?
<cout>
I see, it's hard-coded to / in file.c
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<cout>
but that's because nobody has done a port to a platform that doesn't support / in the C library
<Hanmac>
its funny that you can create directories with windows that you cant delete anymore because of broken path ;D
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<h0rrorvacui>
For the windows retarded, how do you do that?
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<cout>
Hanmac: Alt-255?
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<Hanmac>
hm i need to look for that video again ... but i was some kind of shell command that you can add something in the path that you can not delete the path again anymore in windows (you need a linux to delete that specific path)
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<maasha>
suggestions for a way to concatenate lazy enumerators (Ruby2 here with lazy)
<maasha>
?
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<MrZYX>
maasha: example?
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<xeno>
So, there appears to be nothing on the internet about --user-install except a passing reference to it without explanation on how to use it. How do you use it?
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<Moca_lambda>
xeno it is likely used in the commandline
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<xeno>
For instance, this fails for me: $ gem --user-install crack ERROR: Invalid option: --user-install. See 'gem --help'.
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<waxjar>
xeno: gem help install
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<xeno>
Yes, I don't see it there either. Perhaps it's gone in 2.0.0.
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<waxjar>
it's not :)
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<Moca_lambda>
waxjar wil you be able to take a look at my error log?
<waxjar>
note that gem works with "commands" like git does, so it'd be gem install crack --user-install.
<gr33n7007h>
What the difference between system(), ``, %x()?
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<waxjar>
Moca_lambda: just ask the question if you have one :)
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<Moca_lambda>
my build of gitlab is failing because a library of some sort is not installing. I can't figure out why it isn't installing though'
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<xeno>
Well, I installed a gem in a local area ~/a/mygems, and put $HOME/a/mygems in my $PATH, but my script doesn't see it. There must be another configuration requirement.
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<waxjar>
ruby searches $LOAD_PATH for dependencies, iirc.
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<waxjar>
that's a global variable, btw, not an environment variable
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<entropy1995>
Has anybody done Test First Ruby?
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<Hanmac1>
$LOAD_PATH is also an magic variable because its read-only ;P
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<xeno>
Nope, it still doesn't see ~/a/mygems after I set export LOAD_PATH=$LOAD_PATH:$HOME/a/mygems.
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<waxjar>
<waxjar> that's a global variable, btw, not an environment variable
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<waxjar>
i forgot the one-liner to add something to it, but It's easy to find on google.
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<xeno>
Ok. Sorry. I got several distractions here. My apologies.
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<entropy1995>
Anyone wanna help with Rspec?
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<MrZYX>
entropy1995: ask your real question and you might find out
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<entropy1995>
it "converts freezing temperature" do
<entropy1995>
ftoc(32).should == 0
<entropy1995>
end
<entropy1995>
I'm a bit confused with how I can make this portion of the spec pass?
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<MrZYX>
what version of RSpec are you using?
<Hanmac>
ask wikipedia about the curect formula, and turn it into ruby code
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<entropy1995>
2.14.1
<momomomomo>
entropy1995: ftoc(32).should eq(0)
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<momomomomo>
floc is pretty vague, though, I'd rename it :p
<momomomomo>
ftoc*
<momomomomo>
float to char~?
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<entropy1995>
ftoc is fahrenheit to celsius
<momomomomo>
temp_ftoc would be obvious
<momomomomo>
entropy1995: der, from your current example
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<momomomomo>
temp_convert_f_to_c
<momomomomo>
bleu I'm nitpicking and it's not even my code :o
<MrZYX>
entropy1995: since you're using 2.14 and are learning rspec I'd recommend to start with the new expect syntax: expect(ftoc(32).to eq(0)
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<MrZYX>
but it should work already, what's your issue with that test?
<entropy1995>
I keep getting syntax errors and was confused with .should
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<MrZYX>
make a gist of all your code and errors
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<MrZYX>
entropy1995: so the second "type" of methods, class methods, can be called directly on the class, like Temperature.ftoc(32)
* Hanmac
still knows the greeting sentence of the Tavern in old Tristram ;P
<MrZYX>
Moca_lambda: well, it might not have all required headers available, don't fear to open a ticket in their bug tracker
<entropy1995>
ok, but would I be using "expect(ftoc(32).to eq(0)" this ?
<Moca_lambda>
MrXYZ that is what I think is the issue. Something that needs root installation is missing
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<MrZYX>
entropy1995: not exactly, if the method should be contained in a class you have to call it in one of the ways I've shown, that's not different in a test
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<MrZYX>
Moca_lambda: since you have shell access you could probably hack it in with something like the toast package manager, but yeah, try to get support from the team directly
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<h0rrorvacui>
it would be expect(ftoc(32)).to eq(0)
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<Moca_lambda>
MrXYZ I don't get why they don't allow root access. This is a fun way to learn Ruby :P trying to hack something to work
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<MrZYX>
Moca_lambda: it's container stuff as far as I understood it, so with root access you'd be able to tamper with other users gears
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<MrZYX>
since you could write all sorts of stuff to the shared kernel and what not
<entropy1995>
I've got this so far "class Temperature
<MrZYX>
entropy1995: start by learning ruby, you seem a hell lot confused by rspec in the process of that
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<Moca_lambda>
Mr XYZ so basically they're running one giant application spread across either 1 linux or many linux instances, where the OpenShift application with root access grants you universal rights to everyones stuff
<MrZYX>
entropy1995: you don't use rspec to _define_ methods, you use it to _test_ methods
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<h0rrorvacui>
It looks like you are wanting to define your specs inside of the class definition
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<Moca_lambda>
*correction: unix not linux
<MrZYX>
entropy1995: I'd suggest you to just forget all the rspec stuff for now
<ace_striker>
learning "tricks" and getting "tips" then you need to throw your mone
<ace_striker>
*money
<Moca_lambda>
h0rrorvacui : 12/03/2011: This book is in the very preliminary stages. None of the content is guaranteed to be thorough or accurate. See the About Page.
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<h0rrorvacui>
So, its still great
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<ace_striker>
app academy was recently featured on Tech-crunch
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<Moca_lambda>
entropy1995 are you 18?
<entropy1995>
yeah
<Moca_lambda>
are you planning on building stuff in Ruby on Rails?
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<entropy1995>
that's the goal but it's difficult learning on my own
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<Moca_lambda>
Do you understand programming basics?
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<entropy1995>
I understand the very basics, yes
<h0rrorvacui>
No offense but he was mixing his test inside is production code. I think he'd best be served with a ruby lesson before stepping into Ruby on Rails.
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<h0rrorvacui>
Just learn ruby.
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<h0rrorvacui>
so you don't mix rails and ruby
<Moca_lambda>
If you understand the basics of coding, I would just work through rails tutorials that teach you the stuff beyond conditional statements, etc.
<h0rrorvacui>
I'd not do that :P
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<entropy1995>
why not ?
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<Moca_lambda>
but h0rrorvacui makes a good point. learn ruby itself first
<entropy1995>
How long should I focus on Ruby before Rails ?
<h0rrorvacui>
If you do know the basics of programming then ruby will be a quick learn.
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<wald0>
checking for ruby/thread.h... no
<wald0>
i have this error trying to gem install mysql2 in debian wheezy
<ace_striker>
wald0: install sql-dev first
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<Hanmac>
wald0 have you the ruby-full package installed?
<ace_striker>
most gems need them
<Moca_lambda>
entropy1995 if you are comfortable learning at a fast pace, try to learn Ruby in a week, but that means like 12 hour sessions each day. Optimally you'd want at least a couple hundred hours mastering a language, but with time, I'd say 60 hours would be a decent amount
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* wald0
installing ruby-full
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<wald0>
i can rm -rf /var/lib/gems to cleanup everything ? i mean, its safe ?
<ace_striker>
wald0: it will sudo apt-get will take care ..
<entropy1995>
what do you guys think of coding bootcamps?
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<ace_striker>
bootcamps are good for generating ideas and getting exposure to good coding habits
<Moca_lambda>
<h0rrorvacui>: Do you code for a living?
<h0rrorvacui>
Yes
<ace_striker>
h0rrorvacui: what's wrong in alabama ?
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<momomomomo>
ace_striker: s/he's forgotten about the good food apparently
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<h0rrorvacui>
I live in an extremely rural area. The stacks here are .net. I have no where I can code ruby. :(
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<h0rrorvacui>
But yeah we do have good food.
<ace_striker>
momomomomo: you name reminds me of food though ..
<Moca_lambda>
At least your stack isn't JavaScript everywhere
<h0rrorvacui>
It makes you fat though.
<Moca_lambda>
fried chicken?
<momomomomo>
my name is just my name * 5
<ace_striker>
yes..no issues with that..
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<momomomomo>
:o
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<ace_striker>
h0rrorvacui: one don't need a place..one just a irc,pc,and internet to get going.
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<ace_striker>
one can do freelancing from anywhere these days.
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<h0rrorvacui>
Yeah, but I've found already that my degree and location turn clients off.
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<h0rrorvacui>
ace_striker you from Alabama?
<Moca_lambda>
ace_striker I disagree somewhat. Coding on your own is possible, but networking is great too. People can teach you things tutorials can't
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<ace_striker>
yes...then probably if you got good skills ..you should get yourself hired by some company ..there are lot of need for RoR and ruby developers in san fran.
<ace_striker>
h0rrorvacui: ^^
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<h0rrorvacui>
Yeah, I've always coded solo except a few projects in college.
<momomomomo>
Aye, it's easier to get interviews there if you live there for a while anyhow
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<Moca_lambda>
Or you can just start building some food/animal/chat related app, let some old guy give you $100,000 and code Ruby/Rails for 3 months
<ace_striker>
Moca_lambda: it agree with you..isolation is not a solution ..but to learn something one needs space and isolation....
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<h0rrorvacui>
I don't think I've met another programmer in person in months.
<Moca_lambda>
ace_striker true. a mix of both is best then.
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<ace_striker>
railsyard is giving 500 hours of free hosting
<ace_striker>
launch an app there..apply for googleadsense and get paid..
<Moca_lambda>
ace_striker do you know any other free hosting services? OpenShift has failed me with a lack of libraries
<Moca_lambda>
<h0rrorvacui> I am working on something where people can collab remotely.
<momomomomo>
well, h0rrorvacui do some googling, and make a trek if need be; but don't lament that there's nothing around there
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<ace_striker>
h0rrorvacui: one has to reach the threshold ..to make things easier...(It's like raise your standard or find something easy like wood cuting ) no offense though
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<h0rrorvacui>
Absolutely nothing but some kayaking club.
<h0rrorvacui>
lol
<h0rrorvacui>
Closet things are in Atlanta.
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<bnagy>
#firstworldproblems
<Moca_lambda>
I've never been to a meetup before either.
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<Moca_lambda>
I mean a meetup.com meetup
<ace_striker>
remember : one thing :: always be with open source ..
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<momomomomo>
didn't I just link to a JS, OSS, startup, and mobile app meet ups in/near birmingham h0rrorvacui ? http://tinyurl.com/llv4v44
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<h0rrorvacui>
I don't live near birmingham thats hundreds of miles away and my primary vehicle is a motorcycle.
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<h0rrorvacui>
I'm fine a lone atm. I'm arranging to move to the Tampa, FL area if things work out.
<ace_striker>
h0rrorvacui: believe me..keep building stuff and within 6 months ..you will be in san fran
<h0rrorvacui>
I don't want to live in san fran
<ace_striker>
who wouldn't...kill me.
<h0rrorvacui>
I'm apparently 1/million
<Moca_lambda>
motorcycle? In summer, you must have a lot of joy riding all around
<ace_striker>
it's serious business..common.
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<Moca_lambda>
I wouldn't wanna live there either. It rains practically year round
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<ace_striker>
we got 2/million
<h0rrorvacui>
I don't joy ride. My dad's friend was just killed by a car.
<h0rrorvacui>
I drive a motorcycle because its cheap.
<Moca_lambda>
you're better off in silicon valley if you want to travel all the way to CA
<jblack>
ace_striker: There's a lot more than just san fran. the seattle area comes to mind quickly
<h0rrorvacui>
I'd only visit Cali. I like the east coast.
<ace_striker>
jblack: then there is NY too.
<Moca_lambda>
NYC has a startup scene.
<h0rrorvacui>
Maybe Arizona. I visited Scottsdale and liked it.
<Moca_lambda>
Wait, you live near Atlanta? Doesn't Atlanta have a tech scene too?
<h0rrorvacui>
Yeah a nice one too.
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<jblack>
There's also research triangle in north carolina
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<h0rrorvacui>
I like Cary, North Carolina
<ace_striker>
problem is not..what you like..
<h0rrorvacui>
I know.
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<ace_striker>
problem..is your are in remote location..and we are looking for round-about to fill that gap.
<ace_striker>
probably ..you should attend hackathons..they are generally free..and lot of prizes to win.
<Moca_lambda>
lol ace_striker I don't think horror is in a 'problem' situation just yet. Seems like he has .NET work streaming in.
<h0rrorvacui>
I don't code in .net.
<h0rrorvacui>
I don't use .net.
<ace_striker>
.net sucks
<h0rrorvacui>
I make my money doing frontend work.
<Moca_lambda>
oh my bad, somebody else said they use .net just now
<ace_striker>
UI/UX right.
<h0rrorvacui>
Or CMS for the local mom and pop
<h0rrorvacui>
I spend more time doing JS or PHP
<h0rrorvacui>
PHP!!
<h0rrorvacui>
I hate php
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<ace_striker>
h0rrorvacui: http://www.mhacks.org/ ..this hackathon will help you in networking..and filling the gap..
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<ace_striker>
probably.
<jalcine>
Php isn't that bad
<Moca_lambda>
ace_striker seems really bent on helping you, not many people like that in the world today
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<Moca_lambda>
jalcine until you have to manage 100,000 lines of PHP code
<ace_striker>
Moca_lambda: what exactly you mean ?
<Moca_lambda>
ace_striker I mean that you are going out of your way to assist someone else. People don't do that often
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<emocakes>
php is amazing
<ddd>
far more often on the ruby chans than you might think
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<ace_striker>
Let's starts that from now..
<momomomomo>
#rubyonrails is the one where I get most of my headaches