<joshu>
yes all five take calls and make calls. but making calls doesn't come into play in our discussion. It's the incoming calls during office hours that are the issue I'm trying to solve
<pontiki>
joshu: let me tell you something. the problem is a social one. it won't be solved by technology.
<joshu>
pontiki I totally agree with you
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<pontiki>
much as they may all like this notion of never having to log in/out, there will come a time if this is in place where it will not work for them in just as bad a way as whatever system is in place now
<pontiki>
so, i guess i feel a little sad for your situation
<pontiki>
right now, if i were The Doctor, i'd take your hand and yell "RUN"
<joshu>
pontiki It's stupid but it's not something I can control as much as I'd like. The previous system of logging/in out has been in place for almost 2 years and despite repeated reminders some not all forget to do it, so as the technical guy in charge I'm trying to find a technical solution which helps as best I can.
<joshu>
pontiki lol
<pontiki>
how secure is your employment? how secure do you need it to be? these are the questions
<pontiki>
i have the advantage of age and treachery
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<pontiki>
so it's kind of easy to tell people "this isn't going to solve your problem."
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<joshu>
so my system has been working ok for 2 weeks just that I need to recfactor the code in such a way that the time matching is not global as I have it now but user defined with the possibility of overriding when needed
<pontiki>
easy for me*
<pontiki>
yeah, ok
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<pontiki>
is this a web app?
<pontiki>
so, rails-ish?
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<pontiki>
doesn't have to be
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<joshu>
well I'm looking for new work opportunities but it's not due to this project specifically. I'm trying to get more into dev and leave sysadminish stuff behind but that's a different discussion ;)
<pontiki>
(and sorry for being all earnest hemingway with my lines. i'm just having bursty thoughts)
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<joshu>
no worries I appreciate the discussion!
<pontiki>
yupyup, good, we leave that one for laterz
<pontiki>
see, i'd do something like this:
<joshu>
at the moment it's a ruby app which is hosted in the telephony cloud provider Tropo.
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<pontiki>
right
<pontiki>
the shift start and end need some structure as well
<joshu>
I'm still unsure how each user's "shift" or office hours would be defined. If I understand your Shift structure then :shift_start and "shift_end would be some like :shift_start => 8:30 and :shift_end => 17:00. How would I "remove" the lunch hour 12:00 - 13:00 and specify different hours for different weekdays…hmm
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<pontiki>
not quite; but close
<pontiki>
that's what i was alluding to
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<pontiki>
you need basically you need the day of week, and the time for each end of the shift (start and end)
<pontiki>
and a method that will convert that into something that can be compared easily with the current date and time
<pontiki>
thinking as i type
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<joshu>
so the @shifts array is an array of Shift structs? so if we take User 1 that array would look like [ Shift.new(Monday, 8:30, 12:00), Shift.new(Monday, 13:00, 17:00) ]
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<sallybeckerman>
Can someone help me troubleshoot validating my Jekyll-based blog with Technorati? I'm placing the token on my blog but Technorati is not finding it still, for some reason. I can't isolate the problem.
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<sallybeckerman>
i've made a similar connection with a wordpress blog but can't seem to do it with jek
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<joshu>
ok i'm off to bed good night! Thanks pontiki for your help maybe we can continue tomorrow if you're around ;)
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<mostlybadfly>
hola
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<mostlybadfly>
i figured out my first few problems and having a good time lol
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<nogal>
hello.. im having a strange issue which i just cant work out. I have a line within a function which reads from a file. it works, however if i call that function from another function, it gives me a File not found... what was the way to fully inspect a variable as that is the only thing which could have possibly have an issue?
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<nogal>
i cant seem to locate it in the docs, but i know i used it a few months back
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<Rym>
nogal: are you looking for blah.inspect ?
<nogal>
quite possibly /me goes to check docs
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<nogal>
thank you!
<nogal>
i couldnt find that for the life of me
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<Rym>
:) no problem
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<ivanf>
Hiya all
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<ivanf>
<- Newbie here. I want to ask is Ruby a good programming language for a first timer who has just simple HTML experince and really not much more.
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<havenwood>
ivanf: Yes, perfect for that. There are some great starter guides and Ruby gives you tons of room to keep learning in the language.
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<Rym>
It's good for it, but if you've got friends who can program it might be worth picking up whatever they know, unless it's PHP, then you need new friends
<havenwood>
ivanf: A popular recommendation for folks just starting coding is Learn to Program by Chris Pine: http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
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<Chat7211>
hey
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<Dekade>
question: I'm trying to create a little app that will help me save some data so I can go through it more easy later, nothing big. For now I'm saving some key/value pairs in a hash and push it to an array. The thing I'm so bothered with is that I can't get the array to display all the key/value pairs without the brackets and stuff, I know pretty noobish :p I'm kind of new so.
<xybre>
Dekade: Why put it in an array? Keep it in the hash.
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<xybre>
Dekade: Then you can do this my_hash_of_stuff.each {|key, value| puts "My key: #{key}", "My value: #{value}"} to display it.
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<Dekade>
I understand, I was trying to do that on the array lol
<Dekade>
shouldn't that work also? like my_hash.each.each? or am I getting it wrong
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<Dekade>
ehh my_array.each.each*
<Dekade>
when I push hashes to my array?
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<xybre>
You don't use .each.each
<xybre>
MAybe an example of what you're trying to do would help. Gist?
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<pontiki>
joshu: still up?
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<pontiki>
guess they went to bed...
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<jerome__>
hello all
<staafl_123>
what's the most eloquent way to count gsub!'s substitutions
<jerome__>
someone now how to really delete a ref to an object from a variable ?
<bnagy>
staafl_123: use the block form and increment a counter?
<staafl_123>
bnagy, yeah, that's valid
<jerome__>
staafi, i think it is to create a method for do it easy
<bnagy>
jerome__: well you can set it to nil
<bnagy>
but if this is a GC question that won't automatically trigger GC
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<jerome__>
binagy, no, make it nil doesn't unref the variable
<jerome__>
and then, i can not do it from the object inside the variable
<jerome__>
.destroy not works
<bnagy>
uh
<bnagy>
a=b, a is a ref to b. a=nil -> "deletes" that reference
<bnagy>
or as close as you can in ruby
<bnagy>
if that's the last ref to b it's eligible for GC now, but no guarantees as to when it will happen
<jerome__>
the only way i arrived is to round the problem by, inside the object, make an other instance variable to nil and ask the instance method ".nul?" for this variable (from anywhere) question of the variable
<jerome__>
binagy, not really
<jerome__>
close same...
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<jerome__>
not really works, because all the other instance herit from other object stay, and the object inside is not really unreferenced
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<bnagy>
I don't know what you're talking about with 'object inside' etc
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<bnagy>
write some short code to illustrate?
<jerome__>
i have this problem from a code with wxruby2 that call a method (who is in an other file) from a class and attribute it to a instance variable of this class (this methode open a window)
<jerome__>
so, inside this instance variable, there is an object (a method) who contain all the windows and there own widgets and instances vars
<bnagy>
well with some C extension / FFI stuff you really have no choice but to manually free your unmanaged objects
<jerome__>
from this window, if i want to close, it is really complicate... seems like to closed visually, but in fact not really.
<bnagy>
but it depends how to extension / wrapper is written
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<jerome__>
i would like to not kill a proc for do it...
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<bnagy>
usually with wrappers around native stuff I just create a destroy or close or whatever method in the high level wrapper
<jerome__>
yes, sure, i do it also...
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<jerome__>
but in the reallity, the proc is always on the memory
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<jerome__>
and then, if you ask from class for the var class, it retrun a WXobject class
<jerome__>
and inspect it return all the other var wxobject and ruby object... but it said when error that there are deleted...
<jerome__>
strange
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<jerome__>
deleted, but present
<bnagy>
.. yeah code would definitely help here
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<jerome__>
do you want it ?
<bnagy>
basically, avoid trying to write ruby finalizers, they are a massive pain in the ass
<bnagy>
make sure your high level code tells the low level code to free stuff before it gets deref'ed
<bnagy>
then you should be OK
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<jerome__>
yes, it is not my level to arrived to do it easy.
<jerome__>
so, my apps works, but i see it is not clean due to the memory obstruction
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<bnagy>
you also have to be careful diagnosing 'leaks' because a lot of the time the combination of lazy ruby GC and lazy OS ( native ) GC makes it look like there are leaks when there really aren't
<bnagy>
I have wasted weeks like that
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<jerome__>
hat is not easy is because the code is divide by files... for cohesion and build comprehension acces...
<jerome__>
i'm on OSX
<bnagy>
you could try setting a test box to low memory and running your app in a loop for a long time, to see if it _actually_ runs out of memory
<bnagy>
or failing that, valgrind :/
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<jerome__>
i turn around it to limit the memory access by give the same ref to an other windows opened after close... like that, i'm sure there is not obstruction more....
<jerome__>
what is valgrind ?
<bnagy>
the trouble with ruby finalizers is that it's horribly easy to mess up and then the finalizer keeps a ref to the object, and so it can never get GC'd which makes the whole thing worse
<bnagy>
valgrind is a unix tool for identifying and troubleshooting all kinds of memory issues
<bnagy>
including leaks
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<jerome__>
ok thanks, i look for this tool
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<jerome__>
with my osx tools i can also see the use of proc memory... i do it
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<jerome__>
but maybe, i imagine that valgrind will be better for more precision
<bnagy>
yeah but that can be a bit deceptive, as I said
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<jerome__>
ok binagy, thanks for informations
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<jerome__>
so, except of this (due to MY low level knows), i'm really happy with ruby to be able with to write a GUI app with MySQL and WxWidgets (14 tables, also windows) quiclky and with not too much lines of codes (really good for this)
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<bnagy>
which gems are you using for the GUI stuff?
<jerome__>
i look this...
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<jerome__>
2.0.6 and ruby-1.9.3-p448
<jerome__>
for the compatibility with the only one wxruby top up i can find for my OSX i386
<jerome__>
and i see that is the optimal compatibility for other os
<jerome__>
really not easy to install it...
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<jerome__>
and to be working perfect with aptana/eclipse due to the all dependenses
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<jerome__>
and the lake of information in all the packages way...
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<jerome__>
i choose rvm to do it for the easy way to change the ruby versus with rails app
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<bnagy>
eclipse, rvm and rails
<bnagy>
good luck! :D
<jerome__>
yes
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<jerome__>
it works like a charm... after ONE WEEK of installation !!!!
<saml_>
system_orig = system ; def system(cmd) print cmd; system_orig(cmd) end
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<saml_>
how do I do this? it tries to call system on system_orig = system
<saml_>
i want to re-define function system. but still use original system
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<jerome__>
saml_, in ruby, all is object, so you need to find wich instance of wich object you need to do it, and then create a singleton to mount on the instance method you want to arrange
<saml_>
wat?
<jerome__>
yes, a function is an instance of an object... a method instance i presume for your use.
<bnagy>
system is defined in Kernel, but monkeypatching Kernel is a horrible idea
<saml_>
how can I re-define functions?
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<sevenseacat>
lol
<saml_>
i just want to print out what command this ruby script is actually running
<bnagy>
also, you can't just assign a method to a variable exactly like that
<bnagy>
you'd want to redefine system, do your print and then 'super'
<saml_>
is there set -x or similar?
<jerome__>
the best way will be, i think, to write an other one... like a singleton
<saml_>
in bash , set -x prints out bunch of stuff that its doing
<jerome__>
puts ?
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<saml_>
i'm no ruby programmer...
<jerome__>
or, verbos option in console mode...
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<saml_>
is it hard to actually do this?
<saml_>
could you show me plainly instead of quizzing?
<jerome__>
what is set -x ?
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<jerome__>
do you have an exemple
<jerome__>
?
<saml_>
script calls system(x) a lot
<saml_>
every time it calls, i want to print out value of x
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<saml_>
so i thought i'd redefine system()
<jerome__>
with a method or with a class ?
<jerome__>
from where ?
<jerome__>
that's depend from where...
<saml_>
within a method, it calls system()
<saml_>
i'll just s/system/mysystem/ and define mysystem
<jerome__>
do you need something like: var.function(x) (with return or not ?) or just a call
<jerome__>
create a module: module Name
<saml_>
i have no idea what that means
<jerome__>
and a instance method inside: def Name.what_i_need
* sevenseacat
gets popcorn
<saml_>
but thanks. sed -i 's/system/mysystem/g' x.rb and i put def mysystem(cmd) f(); system(cmd) end
<saml_>
that works
<jerome__>
and from out, you can call it like that: Name.what_i_need
<bnagy>
wtf you can't super in Kernel :<
<jerome__>
ok saml_
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<jerome__>
bnagy, what IDE did you use for ruby and rails ?
<jerome__>
which sorry...
<bnagy>
I don't do rails. I use Sublime Text, which isn't really an IDE
<bnagy>
few ruby people use IDEs
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<jerome__>
ok
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<jerome__>
and then, what did you do for debug easy or for see your vars in time ?
<bnagy>
p
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<SteveBenner9>
look at Jetbrains RubyMine
<jerome__>
you write codes inside, is it ?
<SteveBenner9>
for an IDE
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<jerome__>
are there free ?
<bnagy>
yeah p is short for puts someobj.inspect
<SteveBenner9>
no but its by far worth it. There is a cheap academic only version
<jerome__>
yes, i know
<SteveBenner9>
submlime you can evaluate for free
<SteveBenner9>
indefinitely
<sevenseacat>
lol rubymine
<jerome__>
i use it for read instance_methods
<jerome__>
and methods
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<SteveBenner9>
WAT sevenseacat
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<jerome__>
ok, i will take a look on rubymine
<SteveBenner9>
rubymine is the tits
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<jerome__>
SteveBenner... what did you said ?
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<jerome__>
rubymine is not free
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<jerome__>
and it is not my job... i'm just use ruby and coding like perl and C++ for my personnal use
<jerome__>
for make some apps who don't exist and who are more closed to what i want
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<jerome__>
so aybe aptana/eclipse is the only one... is it right ?
<jerome__>
or vim... for some are able to use it...
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<jerome__>
Paradox, i find the solution for adverts full post... i have a special box for them... and then, after, i bin all them directly (in there place). Before, i had time for resend it by "not in the correct adress" stamp... ads societies like it... lol
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<jerome__>
and ads are good for light the barbecue in summer...
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<jerome__>
ok... by all, have a good day.
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<bugrum>
This maybe off-topic, but to write native Ruby extensions, does one have to use mkmf to generate the makefile or is there a way to compile it properly as an so with an external build system like CMake
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<jrobeson>
bugrum, i wouldn't recommend using another build system unless the extension is only for your use
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<gr33n7007h>
Can someone help me out here I'm just writing a little BMI calculator but when I enter 88 for weight and 1.83 for height it results in 26.3 which would put you in the overweigh category, but it outputs "You are healthy, with a BMI of 26.3." http://paste.debian.net/28327/ ?
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<sevenseacat>
gr33n7007h: those ors should probably be ands - 26.9 is > 18.5
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<sevenseacat>
26.3 sorry
<jrobeson>
kinda weird to see printf in there..
<gr33n7007h>
sevenseacat, let me just justify 1 sec please
<jrobeson>
been awhile for me
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<sevenseacat>
justify? this will be interesting
<bugrum>
This is for an personal extension wrapping a set of native libraries that use CMake as their build system which is why I asked
<pontiki>
i do like printf when i'm doing a lot of constructed output
<gr33n7007h>
sevenseacat, It worked ;) looking at something for so long makes simple things hard to see thanks anyway dude!
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<sevenseacat>
np
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<Lewix>
Whenever we include a module that does not exist, it's supposed to return an error right?
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<Anticom>
hi all
<Anticom>
i'm totally new to ruby and gems
<Anticom>
i've installed a few gems now and some errors popped up on my cli. http://pastebin.com/Htmk0Enm just wanted to make sure it's nothing critical
<Anticom>
i'm running on winXP 32Bit
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<pontiki>
those shouldn't be a problem, Anticom -- those are generated by the document formatting process
<Anticom>
pontiki ah okay thank you
<pontiki>
which essentially means you won't have local versions of the gherkin documentation in those various languages
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<Anticom>
i can live with that
<Anticom>
^^
<Anticom>
I'm not interested in spannish and greek docs anyway ;)
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<pontiki>
or...
<pontiki>
wait, sorry, i'm looking at the wrong thing
<pontiki>
you won't have gherkin support for those languages
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<pontiki>
so you won't be able to write features in those languages
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<pontiki>
so no pirate features for you!
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<startling>
I want to 'export' some hashes from a module used as a namespace. How would I do it? Is this a crazy thing to want in ruby?
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<pontiki>
what does 'export' mean in this context?
<pen>
github is DOWN!!
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<startling>
pontiki, I have a module N; I'd like to access some hashes defined in the module body outside of the module body, especially in another file that 'require's the file the first module lives in.
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<startling>
pen, the real news is the adorable new 500 page.
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<pen>
startling: lol, yea
<pontiki>
startling, perhaps you want mattr_accessor
<pen>
github loves parallex
<pontiki>
so put mattr_accessor :hash1, :hash2, :hash3
<pontiki>
then you can access them as M.hash1 and so on
<pontiki>
of course you could just write module functions for that as well, if you want
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<startling>
pontiki, it looks like mattr_accessor is a Rails thing?
<pontiki>
oh, right
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<pontiki>
but you get the idea?
<startling>
I'm afraid not.
<pontiki>
module M; def self.hash1; @hash1 ; end def self.hash1=(hash); @hash1=hash;end; end
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<pontiki>
sorta like that
<startling>
pontiki, is "self" in the module body the module?
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<pontiki>
basically... although i'm not quite sure what 'body' means
<pontiki>
when you do def self.method in a module, it's no diferent than doing def M.method
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<pontiki>
it's creating a module function
<startling>
I mean "directly in between 'module Whatever' and 'end'".
<startling>
Right.
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<pontiki>
you can also do def method;end;module_function :method
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<jrp>
Hi, Im trying to figure out the logic behind rubys order of operations. for example, a = true and false
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<jrp>
why is a = true after that? I mean i understand whats happening, i just dont understand why ruby would choose to do it that way
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<startling>
OK. I guess my question, then, is: is there an idiomatic way to define module attributes?
<startling>
jrp, I think you want &.
<Nilium>
jrp: From the looks of things, "a = true" comes first, not after.
<jrp>
i understand how its evaluating, i just dont understand what = has a higher precedence than and
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<Nilium>
Are you asking _why_ && and and have differing precedence?
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<startling>
jrp, maybe "and" isn't boolean and.
<jrp>
Im asking why ='s precedence is higher than ands
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<Nilium>
Curse these damn bugs that come in and land on my screen at night
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<clocKwize>
jrp: i think and is more useful for doing multiple things in 1 line
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<clocKwize>
more than boolean operations
<jrp>
that was the only thing i could think of, doing something like "if a = 5 and bar()"
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<clocKwize>
render :some_other_action and return if some_special_case
<clocKwize>
tbh, I don't like it or use it
<clocKwize>
so I'm probably not the best to try explain good uses :)
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<clocKwize>
generally if I want to do what I just said, I'd write return render(:some_other_action) if some_special_case
<clocKwize>
which doesn't read as nice
<jrp>
does that code work? the first example
<clocKwize>
yeah should do
<clocKwize>
might need to be render(:some_other_action) and return if blah
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<jrp>
thanks all
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<Veejay>
Hello everyone, I'm experiencing a weird issue with the ENV variable where printenv defines RACK_ENV as production but inside a ruby script ENV['RACK_ENV'] is defined as staging, is ENV the proper way to access environment variables in a Ruby script?
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<Veejay>
I have defined RACK_ENV inside /etc/environment and I have executed source /etc/environment
<zeroXten>
anyone here used Fog much?
<Veejay>
printenv reports the proper values
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<MrZYX>
Veejay: so running ruby -e "puts ENV['RACK_ENV']" prints staging?
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<jrobeson>
hmm..
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<Veejay>
MrZYX: It actually prints production
<Veejay>
I think there's some strange interaction with the supervisor
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<Veejay>
Only when the script is started by the supervisor is the ENV badly set
<MrZYX>
then something in the way you start your application or even the application itself is overwriting it
<Veejay>
So I guess this is not a Ruby question
<Veejay>
Thank you MrZYX
<MrZYX>
you're welcome
<Veejay>
MrZYX: Indeed
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<Veejay>
MrZYX: To display the output of printenv from inside my script, puts system `printenv`?
<Veejay>
It displat true, which I guess might be a return code from the command or something
<MrZYX>
without the system
<Veejay>
displays
<MrZYX>
puts `printenv`
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<Veejay>
Ah `` is "execute the command already
<Veejay>
Gotcha
<MrZYX>
I'd be highly surprised if it reports anything different than ENV though
<Veejay>
It doesn't
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<Xeago>
would anyone frown about it?
<MrZYX>
begin foo; end while bar is valid ruby true
<MrZYX>
a bit
<MrZYX>
the modifier if is for single line statements IMO
<MrZYX>
since it's executed before the stuff it's modifying, I don't want to rethink all the lines I already read
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<shevy>
I use that a lot myself but it's harder to read Xeago
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<user78>
hi guys, i was wondering if any1 could help me with a basic ruby coding issue
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<clocKwize>
user78: of course, ask away
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<user78>
Well basically, i got this small program written in ruby and some part of it is used to store regexes and is something like this: coldfusion_errors = [ "example1". "example2" ] but i want to put a regex that contain [] like brackets inside brackets, is there any way to do it inside the code or i gotta make a new file that contain only regexs and point program to use that file?
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<MrZYX>
that should just work
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<MrZYX>
[/[abc]/, /[def]/]
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<Mon_Ouie>
No, [abc] is one character that's either a, b, or c
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<mostlybadfly>
shevy: that pine text has been a pleasure
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<mostlybadfly>
And I figures out my first error just using what I had learned I was cheesy lol
<shevy>
ok
<shevy>
do you understand keywords like "yield" ?
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<syed_>
sorry for popping in and immediately asking a question, but...
<mostlybadfly>
shevy: haven't gotten to that one yet
<shevy>
syed_ isn't that the point of IRC :P
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<syed_>
aw thanks shevy, you guys are awesome
<rcosta>
mostlybadfly: buy a book
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<rcosta>
that's what I did an don't regret it
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<syed_>
so i'm installing the pg gem, it only gem installs under sudo, anyway, i've build the pg_ext.so through ext_conf. long story short, can i install this gem and specify "please don't try to build native extensions, i've built it, here's the path, do what you need"
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<mostlybadfly>
rcosta: which do you recommend?
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<syed_>
so i'm hoping for a "gem install --dont-try-to-extconf --path-to-native-so='/path/to/my/lib.so'"
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<ChrisLE>
I have a created puppet doc file with == inside of it. I would like to convert it automatically to a markdown file. I have searched and I found rdoc and when I test it: rdoc myfile.txt all is ok and I got this message: Generating Darkfish format into C:/.... After this I see the folder doc with html things and so on. But I want to convert the file to markdown, is this possible with rdoc?
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<MrZYX>
if you're lucky pandoc supports rdoc
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<hanmac>
ChrisLE: there is a --markup= flag for this
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<hanmac>
ChrisLE: and there is this: "You can also set the comment format for a single file through the :markup: directive"
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<hanmac>
this infos was listed on the first google result
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<ChrisLE>
rdoc --markup?
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<hanmac>
ChrisLE: do "rdoc --help" and read about this
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<platzhirsch>
I am a bit unhappy with my class design. I have metrics which are used on a set of metrics to compute the scores. I access the score through an attribute. But effectively this means that I need to reset the score back to 0.0 every time I invoke compute()
<platzhirsch>
I guess the best to not store the score but return it at the end of compute..
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<ChrisLE>
hanmac: yeah I tried this rdoc --markup-markdown C:\Projects\myFileWhichIsGeneratedWithPuppetDoc.txt but no changes
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<ChrisLE>
it looks like before and the doc folder too
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<hanmac>
ChrisLE what is the diff between "--markup-markdown" and "--markup=markdown" ?
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<pothibo>
How would one use chruby with systemd?
<zendeavor>
depends what you really mean
<zendeavor>
they shouldn't interact at all
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<pothibo>
zendeavor: well, I need to start thin from a systemd service, and thin needs to have ruby in order to run
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<zendeavor>
probably use Environment directives in your systemd units
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<zendeavor>
chruby doen't enter this equation
<pothibo>
zendeavor: and hardcode ruby's version
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<zendeavor>
that's technically what you do with chruby too so..
<pothibo>
yeah I know
<pothibo>
just making sure I understood what you said
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<pisquanooo>
hi
<pisquanooo>
!list
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<zendeavor>
i just spent the past 2 days setting up a --user session in systemd206
<zendeavor>
instead of getting real work done.
<zendeavor>
it's so beautiful now tho
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<RantriX>
if anyone is here, i'd like to ask a quick question about rails and heroku. when you deploy on heroku what envrionment is heroku using? production or development?
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<jake_>
Is there anyone here that could assist me with regular expression building?
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<RantriX>
sure
<RantriX>
i can try
<jake_>
RantriX, Great :)
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<RantriX>
hit me with it
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<fryguy>
rubular
<jake_>
I want to match a string which has an X as long as it has an X before and after it [somewhere] in that string
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<jake_>
so jbacbXonoiubioubobXoinonbnoibX would match
<fryguy>
X.*X.*X
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<RantriX>
jake_: fryguy solved it lol
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<jake_>
So simple :-D I will give that a whirl and see how it goes - Cheers!
<RantriX>
jake_: but that wont work if you are looking for exactly 3 Xs only
<RantriX>
say XaaaXaaaXaaaX
<RantriX>
will match too
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<jake_>
will it get two matches on that string? Because that is what I need - it should get two results based on that sample string
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<canton7>
what matches do you want?
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<fryguy>
jake_: TIAS
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<RantriX>
jake_: can u provide an input example and the result u're looking for?
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<jake_>
XXXXX should match "x" three times. There are 3 X's in there with an X before and after.
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<RantriX>
XXXX #=> xxx?
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<canton7>
now I'm even more confused
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<jake_>
If there is an X before it (anywhere) and an X after it (anywhere) I want it to return a match. it = "X". If there is a string "XXXXX" there are 3 X's in there with an X before and after them. I want a result of X 3 times .
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<RantriX>
it seems like regex might not help you solve that problem
<canton7>
the problem is that your anchors - X's that exist before and after the middle X - are then capture at the same time as that middle X, and so can't form the middle X in another capture
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<canton7>
if ruby supported variably-width lookahead and lookbehind assertions, it'd be easy
<RantriX>
but i think u can just do 'string'.count(x) - 2
<RantriX>
lol
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<rippa>
guys, guys
<rippa>
don't fight
<rippa>
'xxxxx'.scan /(?<=x)x(?=x)/
<rippa>
=> ["x", "x", "x"]
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<canton7>
rippa, doesn't work if there are things between the X's
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<canton7>
hence my statement about ruby not supporting variable-width lookahead and lookbehind assertions :P
<hanmac>
canton7 make a feature request
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<canton7>
hanmac, I suspect it's easier said than done - from what I've seen from some quick googling, only a python library supports it - core python doesn't, perl doesn't...
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<rippa>
regexp with variable-width assertions is turing-complete
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<PapaSierra>
noob here. i have capistrano installed on my mac. i want to upgrade from 2.x to 3. how do i upgrade a gem?
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<giarc>
$gem help commands ( there you will find update )
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<PapaSierra>
giarc: ty, but unfortunately not that simple. initially chef installed capistrano for me. for this user the gem list is completely empty! (though i can use the cap command). so i cannot update it. best i can do is sudo gem install capistrano but then that installs it under the wrong user
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<zendeavor>
mmmm, indirection is my favourite
<zendeavor>
is there a chef user on your system?
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<PapaSierra>
we use vagrant and chef to spin up of dev VMs so that they match production
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<zendeavor>
k
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<zendeavor>
is there a chef user on the system
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<PapaSierra>
and installing capistrano is one of the tasks. which might have been wrong. but now there's a phantom installation of capistrano somewhere which is stuck at 2.14
<PapaSierra>
i'll check...
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<giarc>
@PapaSierra: wont ssh vagrant log you in as the correct user ?
<giarc>
..from the host
<PapaSierra>
giarc: yes, it logs me in as "vagrant"
<zendeavor>
don't do that
<PapaSierra>
which is the right user
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<giarc>
seems to me you should ask the dev/techops who created the guest machine how they've set it up…it could be so many ways
<giarc>
anything i can suggest is just guesswork
<PapaSierra>
hehe it was me ;)
<giarc>
hahah :-)
<PapaSierra>
i just did it as above ^^
<PapaSierra>
ah well, i'll just continue with the old version.
<giarc>
that gem is around someplace...
<giarc>
use find
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<PapaSierra>
the issue is more that i just don't get gems, so every time something like this comes up nothing works and google searching does not help. i.e. usually you find a handful of solutions to a problem. some are trash and some work. but with gems i have a 100% "does not work" ratio. even when getting the hints from official websites or groups like this
<PapaSierra>
so yeah, pretty confusing introduction to ruby
<zendeavor>
the #vagrant channel should be of utmost assistance
<PapaSierra>
zendeavor: understood
<zendeavor>
at least they won't have to guess as much
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<giarc>
( vagrant is sort of just a 'wrapper' around virtualized guests installs…its mostly still up to the chef/puppet/sh scripts to install the software stack )
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<tapioca_>
is there a framework for ruby like flask for python?
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<tapioca_>
a little more simple, but easy to great apps for?
<tapioca_>
but not really a huge mvc framework?
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<tapioca_>
I'm new to ruby, so Im not really sure how big rails is compared to django
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<jdenen>
tapioca_: sinatra
<terrellt>
tapioca_: ^ Sinatra's the light-weight framework for ruby.
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<terrellt>
Or at least the most popular one.
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<tapioca_>
thanks jdenen terrellt
<spundun>
hi guys
<gazarsgo>
sinatra is lighter than flask even, i would say
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<havenwood>
tapioca_: Sinatra is to Rails as Flask is to Django. Other Sinatra-like options include Cuba and Scorched, but yeah Sinatra is most popular.
<tapioca_>
is it well documented and popular?
<terrellt>
Sinatra? Yes.
<gazarsgo>
sinatra is very popular, has inspired frameworks in other languages
<tapioca_>
ok, thanks, i will give it a try
<havenwood>
Very popular. Not going anywhere.
<havenwood>
Every other language seems to be cloning it. :P
<sparr>
I am using Chef which includes an embedded copy of Ruby and a bunch of gems. I am modifying one of those gems but my modifications don't seem to be taking effect. Might there be some caching or refreshing requirement that I'm ignoring?
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<ryandeussing>
can someone remind me the proper syntax for installing a gem from a github repo (on the command line)?
<ryandeussing>
gem install new_gem (...)
<ryandeussing>
thanks in advance
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<banisterfiend>
ryandeussing you can't do that with 'gem' afark
<banisterfiend>
afaik
<banisterfiend>
you can do it in your Gemfile, but that's a bundler thing
<giarc>
@ryandeussing: i think you can gem sources -a http://some.url to add the github repo to the gem source list, then regular gem install
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<sparr>
ok, I simply deleted the file from the gem that's giving me trouble, and it STILL gives me trouble, so I am obviously missing some detail about caching
<ryandeussing>
(blabla is actually a gem name)
<terrellt>
Awesome.
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<Eiam>
I got into a disagreement with a co-worker the other day about some design patterns.. The issue was If we have an ORM and on any request, an instance variable is created that represents the model for a given front end request, e.g. Model A has many Item X. Item X is unique within a given model, but not unique within all Items. e.g. there could be many Item X, but within Model A, there is only one Item x. His stance seemed to be that "When talking to the
<Eiam>
ORM, you should use the DB unique id for Item X, instead of using the Model A instance to access Item X, that way you know its unique.
<Eiam>
My argument was that you shouldn't be passing database ID's out into the front end, and that people should either a) understand how the model works and use it properly b) use the instance variable provided to interact with Items, or c) write a soft wrapper that protects you from all those problems
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<ryandeussing>
@giarc i don't think that's possible now that github has deprecated gems.github.com
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<spundun>
you think an app deployed through sinatra will be faster (in terms of performance) than an app deployed through RoR? assume no views, a json based REST api, views in css/js and a database backend (say mongodb)
<terrellt>
Eiam: Wow that's a lot of filler. So this is the choice between user/1/candy/2 and user/1/candy, when a user can only have one candy?
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<Eiam>
terrellt: hmm, sure
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<Eiam>
I guess thats one way you could phrase it
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<terrellt>
I'd do user/1/candy.
<Eiam>
ugh me too =(
<Eiam>
meh.
<Eiam>
(thats how I designed it)
<giarc>
@Eiam: re: /user/1/candy.. is that the pk from teh db for the user?
<Eiam>
giarc: 1 is the unique identifier for the model, yes
<giarc>
…which would sort of moot your objection about leaking db ids
<Eiam>
so within the model 1, there can only be a single candy
<Eiam>
giarc: somewhat, yes. Ultimately, SOMEONE has to know "what we are talking about"
<Eiam>
but the fewer instances where that has to be provided the better
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<terrellt>
giarc: That's not the primary issue - to me it's more "should we give them this information when we've made the declaration that they'll never need to know what the child ID is - because they can only have one."
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<mostlybadfly>
Woo lunch
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<platzhirsch>
appending to_a to an array object is a nice alternative to circumvent a null check, nil.to_a is [], great :)
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<terrellt>
platzhirsch: Array() ftw.
<giarc>
@terrellt: i'd agree its not the primary issue, was just pointing out they are leaking DB ids either way...
<Eiam>
giarc: you have a suggestion to avoid leaking DB ids?
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<Eiam>
how would anyone know what model we are talking about if we don't track some sort of ID somewhere?
<giarc>
use a slug or hash
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<platzhirsch>
terrellt: yay
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<Eiam>
how is that any different from putting it in the route
<Eiam>
its still in the route.
<terrellt>
Eiam: If you want to make an argument for your case, the only one I have is this - the URL for a user's ONLY candy should be persistent, even if their candy changes.
<terrellt>
Eiam: So I should be able to bookmark /user/2/candy and it should give me that user's candy.
<Eiam>
right, and you can
<Eiam>
thats exactly how it works
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<Eiam>
the argument is that I should pass back /user/2/candy/5 to uniquely identify the candy among all candy, so that other developers internally don't do the wrong thing
<Eiam>
and assume candy is globally unique
<Eiam>
to which I said "Learn how the model works before you go fuck with the model"
<giarc>
@Eiam: and your right, IMO
<Eiam>
or "wrap the model in an object that simply provides an interface where you don't have to worry about the model, just say "add this candy" and it does the right thing
<Eiam>
which he was very much against
<gazarsgo>
sounds like you should switch to a document object store instead of an RDBMS, Eiam
<Eiam>
gazarsgo: meh, we just moved from couchDB to pgsql =p
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<gazarsgo>
'locally unique' is a terrible idea in an RDBMS imo
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<terrellt>
has_one is valid.
<gazarsgo>
terribly valid? :p
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<terrellt>
I gotta bail, last note though
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<terrellt>
Eiam: Service objects for interactions between multiple models is +10 from terrellt.
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<Eiam>
terrellt: by that you mean the wrapper?
<terrellt>
Yes, in Rails they're service objects.
<Eiam>
right
<Eiam>
well i feel somewhat beter
<Eiam>
going to resist making the change =)
<Eiam>
what good is a boss if you can't argue with him =)
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<terrellt>
Know when to lose the battle, too. ;)
<Eiam>
terrellt: I'll just keep putting more important work in front of it =)
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<Eiam>
"meh it works as is. I've got to support all these feature requests"
<Eiam>
thanks for the input
<Eiam>
see ya terrellt
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<noname-shaggy>
host ruby is required??? why does compiling from source require ruby?
<zendeavor>
evidently some ruby evaluations are required
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<mydog2>
hey guys... new to ruby.. not trying to be a dev. but i do have a couple of questions..
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<hanmac>
noname-shaggy: when you try to compile gcc you also need an c compiler ;P
<mydog2>
github has a number of ruby/gem apps that provide "social networking" functions
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<ni745223>
hi
<mydog2>
is it usually hard/easy to integrate functionality from one app to another??? i know, a really broad (almost meaningless) question..
<ni745223>
how are u?
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* hanmac
cant use social networking stuff because his "social" skill is not high enough ;P
<Morrolan>
mydog2: That really depends on how good the gem's API is. ;)
<Morrolan>
hanmac: You'd fit right in!
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* hanmac
has the idea to found an "asocial" network … if you add someone as your friend you get kicked out ;P
<noname-shaggy>
zendeavor: so you have to have ruby to get ruby?
<hanmac>
noname-shaggy: yep
<Morrolan>
'gemmy'? That sounds a bit like the name of a (potential) Ruby mascot. :)
<Morrolan>
Err, what, Ruby is a build dependency of Ruby?
<Mon_Ouie>
You need a C compiler to compile most C compilers too
<Morrolan>
Could've sworn I compiled it on a machine without Ruby, not too long ago.
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<hanmac>
Morrolan: that was the "baseruby" function is for … but some of them has some kind of "miniruby"
<giarc>
@hanmac: hatebook
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<ahgy>
exit
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<hanmac>
giarc yeah and it does not have like buttons, it has little icons with the grumpy cat ;P
<platzhirsch>
If you had a compute method which computes a score and an analysis object for the score (hash), would you rather return a Struct or simply two values (array with 2 elements)
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<noname-shaggy>
Mon_Ouie: sure, but ruby isnt a compiler its an interpreter, right?
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<Mon_Ouie>
noname-shaggy: It does compile code to bytecode at runtime
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<Mon_Ouie>
IIRC correctly the Ruby interpreter is actually used in scripts that generate repetitive C code for the VM
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<zendeavor>
the c in iirc stands for correctly >___>
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<mydog2>
Morrolan, - thanks dude!!!
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<Morrolan>
mydog2: Eh?
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<mydog2>
Morrolan, - you were mentioning the API of a ruby app..
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<mydog2>
anyone know of a good Forum app/plugin I can look at.. I see 100s of them.. but have no idea what's good/bad.. i know, subjective.. but opinions are good..
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<thoraxe>
hmm what am I doing wrong here? I know i'm clearly calling restclient with the wrong number of options, but i'm trying to send the data as json so that the data that comes back is json: res = RestClient.get "#{@infoblox_base_url}record:cname", data_to_send, {:accept => :json}
<banisterfiend>
spike|spiegel i know :) but how does #lazy specifically go there ? :)
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<thoraxe>
ArgumentError: wrong number of arguments (3 for 2)
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<thoraxe>
if i drop the content_type or accept from the end, it works find, but the other end returns xml because it doesn't think the content being sent is json, despite being encoded in json
<thoraxe>
if i do it with curl it works fine
<hanmac>
spike|spiegel: Ooo is a more cooler land ;P
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<havenwood>
thoraxe: You are using #get not #post.
<thoraxe>
i know i'm using get.
<Mon_Ouie>
w
<thoraxe>
because i'm not trying to update. i'm trying to receive.
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<havenwood>
thoraxe: What is your `data_to_send` doing with a GET request?
<havenwood>
thoraxe: I'm confused.
<thoraxe>
i'm confused with this silly infoblox api too
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<havenwood>
thoraxe: Does it work if you remove the `data_to_send` (makes no sense to me why it's there) argument?: res = RestClient.get "#{@infoblox_base_url}record:cname", {:accept => :json}
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<thoraxe>
when you call to record:cname and send an fqdn, it returns the reference id for the cname
<thoraxe>
if i don't send any data, i don't get any data back, even though it's a get
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<thoraxe>
well that's not true, i get all cnames back
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<thoraxe>
if I curl with a -d to send data (ex: -d name=foo.corp100.com) i get data back
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<thoraxe>
hmm i think i've got it, holdon
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<thoraxe>
ok figured out a fix
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<jhn>
x[0]["_ref"]
<jhn>
=> "record:cname/ZG5zLmJpbmRfY25hb…
<thoraxe>
ahh
<thoraxe>
lovely
<thoraxe>
why you have to create a hash with {} but fetch its values with []...
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<MrZYX>
because it is that way
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<MrZYX>
In theory you can create a hash with h = Hash.new; h[:foo] = "bar"; h[:bar] = "foo"; etc, { } is just the literal form, like "foo" is for strings or ['a', 'b'] is for arrays etc
<hanmac>
frguy, what in ruby does not fit into my three categories?
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<fryguy>
hanmac: i think "alias" is a counterexample
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<hanmac>
hm ok i thought that alias would return something
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<fryguy>
hrmm, i guess it does return nil
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<hanmac>
no it does not, try to make a "p" before it ;P
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<hanmac>
so there is object, turn-to-object, return-object, and soidberg, ah i mean alias
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<fryguy>
hanmac: BEGIN and END are probably in the same set too
<fryguy>
and maybe break
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<banisterfiend>
fryguy well ruby does have keywords..
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<hanmac>
banisterfiend: yeah but most of the keywords return objects
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<banisterfiend>
hanmac well they do, doesn't 'alias' return nil?
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<hanmac>
nope, "p alias …" does not work, just as "p break" in a loop, both does make some kind of syntax errors (different kind for some reason)
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<hanmac>
"void value expression" is also an very funny syntax error ;P
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<Mon_Ouie>
p alias … is because of precedence
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<Mon_Ouie>
Or I thought it was, might be something else
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<code_nigga>
howdy
<code_nigga>
:)
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<platzhirsch>
code_nigga: I find the last part of your name offensive :|
<code_nigga>
platzhirsch: we are all code niggas :)
<platzhirsch>
sigh
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<hanmac>
Mon_Ouie: even p(alias) does not work because its an syntax error (the alias was unexpected)
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<banisterfiend>
Mon_Ouie do you find his nickname offensive too?
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<havenwood>
I think a ban is appropriate for nicks with sexist or racist connotation. Makes for a hostile environment for some even if the intention is innocent.
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<havenwood>
Choosing a nick without sexist/racist derogatory terms isn't too onerous.
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<tbjers>
I do not have access to where the class is instantiated, so I need to mod the defaults in order for this to work
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<Eiam>
banisterfiend: pry hates it when I have variables named "edit" =)
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<banisterfiend>
Eiam: Yeah, you can use them if you write <space>edit = blah or whatever
<banisterfiend>
commands only execute if they're hard against the left margin
<Eiam>
ah good to know
<Eiam>
i was doing "pp edit"
<Eiam>
just to see it =)
<Eiam>
now i can do " edit"
<banisterfiend>
Eiam: Alternatively, you can set a command prefix, which will force commands to only execute if the prefix is first entered, e.g: Pry.config.command_prefix = "%"
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<banisterfiend>
then you have to type: %edit blah.rb
<banisterfiend>
to use edit, for example
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<banisterfiend>
You can put that in your .pryrc, to permanently set it
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<Eiam>
cool thakns
<giarc>
@havenwood: re: GEM_ROOT, no, it's not set… i ended up rm -rf .rbenv/versions/2.0.0-p247/ and re-installed
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<giarc>
its interesting to me that now, gem list reports no gems, yet, after gem install rails i cant remove ALL the gems, as some are reported as default
<giarc>
not sure how that makes sense
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<giarc>
aha! reload/reset the shell, gem list shows them now…makes more sense
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<lectrick>
Can the .new of a method return a new instance of a *subclass*?
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<lectrick>
Basically, I have an adapter that I want to delegate to other adapters based on configuration info
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<Mon_Ouie>
new is a regular method, you can redefine it to make anything, although that might be confusing, and it might be preferable to use another method for that
<giarc>
w/o the shell reset, gem list is showing system gems( or the lack thereof, system ruby 1.8.7 doesn't have default gems.. )
<starfox21>
hey guys, I have been trying trying to look at how ruby implements certain things in order to learn more about the language. I have been trying to use pry to look at the source. But often times when I do $ <class>.<method> I get a C implementation of that method. Is there any way to get the ruby implementation?
<havenwood>
Will be out soon enough. :)
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<Mon_Ouie>
starfox21: That method is implemented in C
<havenwood>
starfox21: You can often do so by looking at the Rubinius source in Pry.
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<starfox21>
havenwood: how do I do that?
<havenwood>
starfox21: Those methods in Ruby that are C are only in C.
<havenwood>
starfox21: Install Rubinius, install Pry gem for Rubinius, then look at source.
<havenwood>
starfox21: Which Ruby version manager do you use?
<starfox21>
rvm
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<havenwood>
starfox21: rvm install rbx
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<havenwood>
starfox21: Then switch to rbx, install pry, go into pry, check source from there.
<aedorn>
I've been very uninspired to do anything today. Hate days like that, but what can you do ...
<starfox21>
havenwood: thanks
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<gazarsgo>
is there a cleaner way to do a projection from an object hierarchy than collect/concat ?
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<shevy>
aedorn on these days I usually fix bugs, or improve docu
<shevy>
or add small new features or improve existing ones
<shevy>
small things though
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<pontiki>
write tests
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<pontiki>
break stuff
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<shevy>
hehe
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<Eiam>
hmm, am I missing something obvious here? I want to get the difference between two arrays but I don't want to have to minus the larger from the smaller. e.g. b-a gives a different answer than a-b. If I do a reject I get the same issue
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<Eiam>
can't union, can't intersect
<Eiam>
NOt intersect
<Eiam>
xor?
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<MrZYX>
well define difference
<Mon_Ouie>
a - b is all the elements that are in a but not in b — which is why it's not symmetric
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<MrZYX>
but probably xor
<Eiam>
MrZYX: the difference would be if a = [1,2,3,4] b = [2,3,5] i'd want to know both 5 and 1
<Eiam>
yeah apparently array doesn't support xor
<havenwood>
Eiam: Are the Arrays' items unique? So never a [1, 1, 2, 3]?
<MrZYX>
yup, that's xor
<Eiam>
havenwood: yah
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<MrZYX>
then feed them through Set
<Mon_Ouie>
Set#^
<havenwood>
Eiam: Set :)
<Eiam>
hmm or a+b - (a&b)
<Eiam>
which I seem to recall is faster than Set
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<Rager>
howdy - I'm trying to iterate through the instance variables in my class to output them, but I end up with @'s in the var names, like so: {"@id":"realm1:1","@body":"wut","@recip_id":"hayy","@sender_id":"boyy"}
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<Eiam>
Rager: hmm, okay so..
<graft>
okay, so i have class Test1; class << self; attr_accessor :blah; end; end, and i have class Test2 < Test1; end - Test2.blah and Test1.blah are different
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<Rager>
ok, so I substr
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<graft>
what should i use if i want to inherit those?
<Rager>
what does that @ mean?
<Eiam>
Rager: that its an instance variable?
<Rager>
ok
<Eiam>
Rager: all that method does is list the instance variables on your class, then convert them to strings, then remove the @ from the strings
<Eiam>
its a fairly stupid way to do it
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<Rager>
how stupid are we talking - stupid enough it shouldn't happen, or stupid as in "stupid simple"
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<Eiam>
also I'm not sure I understand why you'd want to output ALL your instance variables.
<Eiam>
Rager: how are you generating that example above?/
<giarc>
@Rager: pastebin your class
<Eiam>
where'd you get your instance variables from
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<Mon_Ouie>
Eiam: From a quick benchmark I just ran, the array version is faster when you have few elements in both arrays, but slower when you have many of them
<Eiam>
Mon_Ouie: okay, knew I saw a benchmark about this somewhere. I'm going to be less than 100 items. Not that I particularly care bout performance in this case
<Eiam>
Mon_Ouie: I think its just easier for me to say "I'm going to xor this lazily with a + - & than convert the objects all to Sets and xor them
<Eiam>
its bitten me a few times that Array supports some Set operations but not others
<Mon_Ouie>
What we're suggesting (or at least what I was), is to work with sets from the beginning
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<Eiam>
e.g. it supports Union and Intersection
<Eiam>
Mon_Ouie: why? The data is already in an array
<Rager>
should I take the comment from you to mean that everything's wrong and nothing can be right about what I'm doing?
<Mon_Ouie>
"already" from what point?
<Eiam>
Rager: I'd go with more that "I don't really write ruby like that and I'm not very bright"
<Rager>
I'm new to Ruby
<Rager>
so I don't know what the "ruby way" is
<Eiam>
Mon_Ouie: its an array that just gets mapped into an array of id's
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<Rager>
but I know that I don't really care for AR-patterend stuff
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<Eiam>
my_array.map {|x| x["id"]}
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<Mon_Ouie>
But since it seems you want to perform set operations on it anyway, using the right data structure would make more sense
<Mon_Ouie>
Unless somehow the order matters
<Eiam>
order doesn't matter, but the array object already exists =0
<Eiam>
why pay the price of creating a new object?
<MrZYX>
Rager: uhm, args is undefined in your first method, I'd also use attr_accessor
<Rager>
I am using attr_accessor
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<Mon_Ouie>
You don't have to create an array object to begin with
<Eiam>
Mon_Ouie: I do, its used elsewhere in the method, so I'm just reusing the objects again
<Rager>
this seems to work
<patrikf>
Eiam: keyword: premature optimization
<Eiam>
I can't stand by the argument "If you want to do set operations, use a set"
<Eiam>
when Array clearly supports two set operations out of the box
<Eiam>
its built right in
<patrikf>
why would you care about the "price" of creating a new object? it's nanoseconds and a couple of bytes! if you're a kernel developer, that might matter. if you process huge amounts of data, that might matter. if you have 100 elements, you probably want to write straightforward code and forget about low-level optimizations
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<Eiam>
ruby has this weird thing to make numbers easier to read
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<havenwood>
Eiam: Yeah, like a ',' in English.
<havenwood>
2,000
<Eiam>
is that a 2.0 thing?
<Mon_Ouie>
It was already there in 1.8.*, probably before that too
<Eiam>
ah, just not used to seeing it
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<havenwood>
Eiam: Looks like the point of inflection where Set becomes more efficient is somewhere around an Array size in the double digits.
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<arooni-mobile>
let's say i have a method that is trying to send a HTTP request; i have begin/rescue clause because this site isn't always the most reliable. when i rescue the exception; how can i retry the same request a set number of times? i'm catching the exception within the method. should i throw the exception to the calling method and from there have a counter until i reach the point ill just give up?
<arooni-mobile>
another approach?
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<Rager>
thanks, guys
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<havenwood>
arooni-mobile: You can put an `n.times do;end` around your `begin;rescue;end` block to just run it `n` times. Or do a `begin;rescue;retry;end` and manually set the number of times to retry.
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<arooni-mobile>
havenwood, i guess i didnt know iwhat id put in the trtry block
<arooni-mobile>
retry block or even that it was possible
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<havenwood>
arooni-mobile: Yeah, you can set a `tries = 0` and then `retry if tries < 5`.
<havenwood>
Or whatev.
<arooni-mobile>
havenwood, and it will just run the part of the code of the begin loop
<havenwood>
arooni-mobile: yup
<arooni-mobile>
if it encounters that caught exception
<arooni-mobile>
didnt know that was part of the structure; cool
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<havenwood>
arooni-mobile: Or `require 'retriable'; retriable(tries: 3) { begin;rescue;end }
<havenwood>
`
<arooni-mobile>
havenwood, ive also heard of attempt
<arooni-mobile>
another gem wrapper
<havenwood>
Seems excessive to need a gem but I guess if you were doing it many times in a project?
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<arooni-mobile>
i seem to have a bunch of begin/rescue loops due to this sites flakiness
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<havenwood>
I think for simply trying multiple times i'd use just `retry`.
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<havenwood>
Well, actually - `n.times` for simplest I think.
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<arooni-mobile>
the only reason i kinda liked attempt gem is it had a built in definable amount of time to wait to retry
<havenwood>
Wait, that would run it even if it succeeded - that's no good.
<havenwood>
Yeah, rescue with retry.
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<havenwood>
arooni-mobile: Ahh, yeah if that is the requirement either `attempt` or `retriable` gems look good. I didn't know either existed.
<havenwood>
Good to know!
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<arooni-mobile>
glad to help in some way with my noobish questions
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<havenwood>
arooni-mobile: PS - Say if you're gunna cross-post to #ruby-lang, or OP may temp ban for rules.