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<xybre> So I need to use some JS utils in my project, and I'm wondering if there's any "gotchas" for therubyracer vs just using node.js? (I'm not using Rails)
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<Gecko> Hi, I'm gettin' started on ruby and I'm wondering which would be a good framework for blogging. I just found octopress.org, what do you think about?
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<xybre> Octopress is basically Jekyll now, maybe Jekyll is enough?
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<Gecko> I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking :P What do you think would be better (and easier) xybre?
<Gecko> Btw, thanks xybre :)
<Nilium> Got bored, found a use for sinatra. I'm pleased with myself.
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<xybre> I'm using Sinatra on my site, I like it so far.
<Nilium> I used it for a file tagging utility so I could preview the file I'm tagging while tagging it.
<Nilium> I'm only allowed to run rails on my site, so I don't.
<xybre> I threw in all the templating languages I'm used to using and put it up behind Unicorn and Nginx, ands fast and simple.
<Nilium> Instead, I just generate static content for my site using oaktree.
<Nilium> Then rsync it up.
<xybre> Gecko: I can't recommend more than that, I use Tumblr or build my own blog apps. Jekyll is also good because GitHub hosts your pages with it.
<Nilium> I use my own tools that I would never actually recommend anyone else use
<Gecko> Ok xybre. I've got a lot of work to do and stuff to learn, haha. Thanks again!
<Nilium> I should probably rewrite my blog tool from the ground up.. it's kind of horrible.
<Nilium> Like it works for me, but still, horrible.
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<pontiki> Gecko: i'm liking octopress pretty well, but their default theme sucks rocks
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<Gecko> pontiki: Haha, I have to see that!
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<Gecko> pontiki: Are you already using it online?
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<pontiki> yeah
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<pontiki> Gecko: PM incoming
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<ziggles> Hi guys, could someone give some direction on how i should test my "page_content" method? http://pastebin.com/jtuKqchj
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<rgbdev> What does the " ||= " when setting a variable do?
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<alpha123> rgbdev: It's short for "var = var || whatever"
<alpha123> (i.e. it assigns var to `whatever` if var is a falsey value)
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<rgbdev> Thanks guys!
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<pontiki> should make "What does ||= do?" a trigger or sumpn
<sevenseacat> i can do that in #rubyonrails, not here >_>
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<pontiki> yer
<pontiki> someone was asking what it did in #chef
<pontiki> is it the season?
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<jrobeson> pontiki, a season for people who can't read documentation?
<jrobeson> that's every season :)
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<shevy> if only we could specify a kernel written in ruby
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<goleldar> I am using the gmail gem but it affects the entire thread
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<jhn> I'm trying to follow a redirect with Faraday but the problem is that the page returns a 200 initially and only after 3 seconds it does a redirect.
<jhn> How can I tell Faraday to wait and follow that last redirect?
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<patrikf> jhn: are you writing a scraper? if so, you might want to use mechanize instead
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<jhn> patrikf: Yes. I actually already have it working using mechanize, but just wanted to know how it'd possible with faraday/net_http.
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<waxjar> aren't those "after x seconds redirects" HTML things rather than HTTP headers?
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<MrZYX> or javascript
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<vjacob> so many #ruby channels!
<matti> vjacob: -lang is more about language itself.
<vjacob> aye
<vjacob> just doing a Rails example from a book - and I keep getting an error like this: .rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p448/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.9.1/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:51:in `require': cannot load such file -- script/../config/boot (LoadError), when I run a simple generate script - any ideas why?
<vjacob> as far as I know I should be using 1.9.3 not 1.9.1 so why is it looking for rubygems in such a directory? Also, how do I learn which gems to install if this is a case of missing gems?
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<MrZYX> 1.9.1 is the ABI version, not the ruby version, so that's fine. This is more a #RubyOnRails question for the rest part
<vjacob> ok
<vjacob> cheers
<vjacob> what is the difference bwteen #ruby and #ruby-lang?
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<vjacob> (I'm guessing it's not the first time the question is asked, but it's not clear from the channel name or description)
<Xeago> vjacob: #ruby-lang is the official channel
<vjacob> grand.
<jhn> MrZYX: What does ABI stand for?
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<banister_> jhn: google is your fren
<jhn> banister_: IRC too.
<banister_> sometimes
<MrZYX> jhn: first time service, second time goes through lgmtfy.com, third to last time the answer is "google/rtfm"
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<matti> Eh.
<matti> Pressing ESC while in Google Docs.
<matti> Yeah... VIM... thanks...
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<matti> ;s
<jhn> MrZYX: I did google for 'ruby abi' before asking. Didn't get any clear results (try it yourself). That's why I asked.
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<MrZYX> A good place for acronyms is typing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/acronym directly
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<jhn> yeah, but I thought it was a ruby-related acronym, that's why I didn't bother.
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<babykosh> simple question.. I want to divide two values as I extract them from my database. how should I be writing this?
<babykosh> <% @rows.each do |thing| %>
<babykosh> <td><%= thing.value_one / thing.value.two%></td>
<babykosh> <% end %>
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<sam113101> what's thing?
<sam113101> an array?
<babykosh> ah thing is an integer
<babykosh> no sorry
<babykosh> thing is an array
<babykosh> value_one is integer
<babykosh> value_two as well
<babykosh> so thing.value_one == 10
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<sam113101> thing[0] thing[1]
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<babykosh> and thing.value_two == 5
<sam113101> not sure what's the problem
<babykosh> well when I run it as is I'm getting…undefined method `/' for nil:NilClass
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<jhn> babykosh: as an aside, if you care about the decimal part, you shouldn't divide two integers directly because you're going to get an integer as a result.
<sam113101> <%= thing[0] / thing[1] %>
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<babykosh> ah
<sam113101> <%= thing[0].to_f / thing[1] %>
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<MrZYX> >> [ 10/3, 10/3.0, 10/(3.to_f), (10/3.0).round(2), "%.2f" % [10/3.0] ]
<eval-in> MrZYX => [3, 3.3333333333333335, 3.3333333333333335, 3.33, "3.33"] (https://eval.in/42484)
<MrZYX> but that error tells you that value_one isn't always what you're expecting (an integer) but nothing (nil) instead
<babykosh> MrZYX ahhhhhhh
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<babykosh> thanks ruby gods
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<shevy> ruby needs to take over the world
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<blackmesa> Hi all. Before I save a title to the db I strip it to 250 chars. def xxx; self.title = self.title[0..250] ; end
<blackmesa> is there an alternative way?
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<pandawarrior> the new osx 'maveriks' preview looks really nice, wonder how it will effect my development set up.
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<apeiros> blackmesa: 0..250 is 251 chars
<apeiros> since it's str[offset..offset] - you probably wanted str[offset, length]
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<blackmesa> apeiros: thx
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<fuzzy_> Does anyone know how if it's possible to pool database connections with unicorn and sinatra?
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<epitron> fuzzy_: wouldn't you just use a global variable? :)
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<fuzzy_> I never considered the thought, I thought each unicorn process was it's own world
<fuzzy_> and that it was starting and restarting them after each socket connection
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<Fractional> Wow. There's quite a lot of people here.
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<MrZYX> hm, I think we peaked to around 900
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<Fractional> Compared to how many there's at #gosu I'm surprised :P
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<apeiros> Nilium: hm? what's wrong with gosu?
<Nilium> Nothing in particular, I'm just building stuff to try to make it useless.
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<shevy> hehehe
<shevy> what are you building Nilium?
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<Nilium> Little thingies for building games in Ruby.
<shevy> hmm I know of #gamebox and of #rubygame (but the latter was abandoned)
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<Nilium> Going to be quite a while before anything I do is a replacement for gosu
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<Nilium> Reminds me, I should probably add some things to my repo..
<shevy> gem!
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<Nilium> I'm trying to avoid pushing the gem because it's very, very not ready
<Nilium> I think the only thing I've pushed was a gem to reserve the name
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<Nilium> Ok, pushed. Would've forgotten to do that, normally.
<Nilium> Pushed to github, that is.
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<Fractional> Cool. How long do you think that could take Nilium? :)
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<Nilium> Not a clue.
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<Nilium> https://github.com/nilium/ruby-gametools ← Code's currently over there, so at the very least, you're free to contribute/fork/criticize/etc.
<Nilium> Also just noticed my cache object's define_reinitializer method is made of stupid.
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<Fractional> Need help with Chingu Text. Would be appreciated!
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<Fractional> Daniel @ It-Gymnasiet.se - - - -
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<kpaxx> Is collect the same as map? They seem to be, but it doesn't explicitly say in the docs like it does for most aliases.
<kpaxx> On Array and Range I mean
<patrikf> kpaxx: yes
<patrikf> ri1.9.1 shows me map and collect at the same time when I request docs for one of these, too
<havenwood> It does show #map and #collect interchanged it looks like: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Enumerable.html#method-i-map
<kpaxx> Ok, I guess the subtlety of using the same code example for each as a way of indicating equivalence was lost on me.
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<kpaxx> And for the flat variants, it has a weird "supplemental notes" that I've never seen before - very strange.
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<codebrah> brahs is it best practice to use lambdas or proc
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<banister_> codecop: proc
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<fryguy> i disagree
<fryguy> lambdas have more consistent, less surprising behavior with regards to input parameters and return statements.
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<MrZYX> and fancy syntax!
<banister_> fryguy: considering blocks are used absolutely everywhere, and people are used to this behaviour i would say proc behaviour is less surprising
<banister_> fryguy: also, you can't just use a lambda in instance_eval, that's annoying
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<ziggles> If i'm going to allow my class to be initialized with a hash of options, should force the required stuff to be regular parameters and keep the optional parameters in the hash? For example: Car.new(vin,{ color: 'red' } ) vs Car.new({ vin: '1345', color: 'red'}) etc
<ziggles> that's a shitty example, but i hope it conveys the point
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<SmoothPorcupine> Does /anyone/ else see no reason an Exception shouldn't have a backtrace until it /actually/ starts collapsing the stack?
<SmoothPorcupine> And that, when it hits a rescue, it will only have as much stack trace as it /actually/ traversed?
<zendeavor> say that again without double negatives
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<SmoothPorcupine> ... lots of backtrace-generating code ....; raise rescue $!.backtrace.length #=> 1
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<MrZYX> I'd expect a raise immediately followed by a rescue to have backtrace length of one
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<SmoothPorcupine> Even if caller.length > 0?
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<MrZYX> there are no even ifs in the example you posted
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<MrZYX> if you mean def foo; raise; end; begin foo; rescue => e; e.backtrace.length; end, then write that
<SmoothPorcupine> No.
<SmoothPorcupine> "... lots of backtrace-generating code ....;" is pretty clear.
<popl> no it isn't
<popl> lots is ambiguous
<SmoothPorcupine> Luckily the amount is irrelevant to the message.
<popl> ok
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<SmoothPorcupine> MrZYX my friend, so you do agree with the idea that an exception only gathers backtrace as it's thrown?
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<SmoothPorcupine> Er, raise'd*
<troulouliou_dev> hi is it possible with bundle to acquire a gem from a github location ?
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<popl> troulouliou_dev: what happens when you try?
<troulouliou_dev> popl, i just want to create a fork in github and somehow tell the Gemfile to get that specific gem from my fork
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<SmoothPorcupine> Man.
<SmoothPorcupine> I would /so/ override Kernel#raise if Ruby exposed legitimate stack information.
<pontiki> SmoothPorcupine: all the backtrace info is available via caller
<SmoothPorcupine> That's not legitimate stack information.
<pontiki> no, it's not
<pontiki> but it's what backtrace produces
<SmoothPorcupine> s = binding.stack;s = s.parent until s.rescue?
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<SmoothPorcupine> Or more likely Binding#scope.
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<pontiki> it would be awesome to have more info in some cases
<banister_> pontiki: what kind of info do u want
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<SmoothPorcupine> binding.scope.parent.method.name
<pontiki> mainly instance variables
<banister_> SmoothPorcupine: what is 'scope' there?
<SmoothPorcupine> Actually binding is pretty much scope.
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<banister_> SmoothPorcupine: well look here: https://github.com/banister/binding_of_caller
<banister_> SmoothPorcupine: binding.of_caller(1).eval("__method__")
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<banister_> should be equivalent to your binding.scope.parent.method.name, assuming i understand what that means
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<SmoothPorcupine> Banister, I'd have had it Binding::
<SmoothPorcupine> Yeah.
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<SmoothPorcupine> Wait no.
<SmoothPorcupine> The way you did it names sense.
<SmoothPorcupine> Yes...
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<SmoothPorcupine> def parent;of_caller(1);end
<troulouliou_dev> how can i detect where a constant is already defined ?
<banister_> troulouliou_dev: const_defined?
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<troulouliou_dev> banister_, but how can i find the exact module where it is defined ?
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<pontiki> when you say "where" , are you referring to which file it's defined in?
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<pontiki> or just what module it's in?
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<troulouliou_dev> pontiki, the module
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<pontiki> i'm way tired
<troulouliou_dev> pontiki, why ?
<pontiki> but i can't think of a reason you wouldn't know based on the constant's namespace
<pontiki> i just spent about 4 hours shopping at 4 different stores
<SmoothPorcupine> makes*
<troulouliou_dev> pontiki, ha ok :) that hard
<SmoothPorcupine> troulouliou_dev my friend, making another IRB?
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<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, not really just have some warning already defined CONSTANT xxx
<troulouliou_dev> at irb level
<banister_> troulouliou_dev: it's not so easy to find out
<SmoothPorcupine> I recommend ditching IRB.
<banister_> in fact in the general case, i would say it's impossible
<pontiki> everyone move to pry
<SmoothPorcupine> But, ObjectSpace.eachobject(Module).select{|m|m.const_defined? :DERP}
<SmoothPorcupine> each_object*
<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, thats the 1 liner i was lookink for i guess
<troulouliou_dev> pontiki, really need to test pry
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<SmoothPorcupine> I had to make my own.
<SmoothPorcupine> Nowadays I just use ruby -e.
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<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, i jsut use ruby every 2 month ;( need to relearn each time :)
<SmoothPorcupine> Then you're not really /using/ it.
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<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, no i just love it :)
<SmoothPorcupine> Absence makes the heart grow fonder?
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<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, i just think it is the most clever language/framework available
<troulouliou_dev> Just need some people at work to understnadthis :)
<SmoothPorcupine> The main advantages it has over C for me are string manipulation, hash tables, and blocks.
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<SmoothPorcupine> In that order.
<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, string manipulation is awesome; was even better in 1.8.7 when all where binary strings :)
<SmoothPorcupine> Yeah.
* SmoothPorcupine laments false progress
<SmoothPorcupine> ?0.class #=> ANYTHING BUT Char
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<troulouliou_dev> SmoothPorcupine, no identation nazi requirement is good too :)
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<SmoothPorcupine> You've clearly never seen my code.
<troulouliou_dev> i use them too but a small puts "debug stuff" in the beginning of a newline never hurts
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<troulouliou_dev> bed time see you thanks for help
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