Topic for #ruby is now Ruby programming language || ruby-lang.org || RUBY SUMMER OF CODE! rubysoc.org/ || Paste >3 lines of text in http://pastie.org || Para a nossa audiencia em portugues http://ruby-br.org/
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<UBUNTUKING> RUBY.
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<UBUNTUKING> for Christmas, i will give a Ruby to my friends.
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<UBUNTUKING> for Christmas, i will give a Ruby to my friends, as a present, for NEw Year i will buy them rubyonrails
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<shevy> lol
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<Avi`> hrmm. I have a select statement thats array.select { |x| x["state"] == 'Closed" and x["active"] == true }. so i need to modify it so the x["state] is closed OR verify AND active is true. so i just wrapped that in ( closed or open) and true.. and its not actualy working properly
<Avi`> it doesn't seem to be selecting as I'm mentally thinking it should
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<Aristata> can anyone see anything wrong with this: http://pastie.org/3029082 ?
<Aristata> i am only getting a $1
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<Aristata> assume the regex works
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<envygeeks> Aristata: "#a, b".match(/^#([a-zA-Z]+),\s([a-zA-Z]+)\s?/) => #<MatchData "#a, b" 1:"a" 2:"b"> works for me although I did change it a bit but meh
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<sparc> I was reading Test-driven Infrastructure Development, recently
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<sparc> and the natural language tests they have there, seem really verbose to me
<sparc> does anyone know of an alternative to writing stories, and definitions that support them, to system testing?
<sparc> I don't mind a more code / less languagy approach
<sparc> i should probably be in chef
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<envygeeks> sparc: it really depends on what you consider testing, BDD style testing (AKA cucumber) is just high-level testing for unit testing Cucumber would be horrible
<envygeeks> that's where you choose something like minitest
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<brendoberry> anyone familiar with narray ?
<brendoberry> getting the average of ruby arrays is slow, is there any way to speed it up?
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<kumiriko> what is the purpose of using ./configure --enable-shared
<kumiriko> I mean I have a general understanding of what a shared lib is vs a compiled in lib
<kumiriko> i've done some C and C++ before but it's been a long time
<kumiriko> do I, strictly speaking really need to use --enable-shared?
<kumiriko> i never do this on my linux boxes, but all the stuff I'm seeing about installing ruby via rvm on Mac OS X is suggesting to use --enable-shared
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<lokkju> got a weird issue - I'm on OSX Lion (10.7), running with the stock ruby. I'm trying to use the gtk2 gem, and though the gem list shows it, ruby says it can't find it. ideas? http://nopaste.me/paste/19867403954eec0c6ae47ce
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<kumiriko> how am I supposed to compile ruby when xcode4 only has an llvm gcc that can't compile ruby binaries or gems?
<kumiriko> :(
<abstrusenick> there is a gcc installer
<kumiriko> abstrusenick: you mean osx-gcc-installer?
<abstrusenick> i think so
<kumiriko> abstrusenick: mostly I just wanna know if osx-gcc-installer can be installed along side of and or in addition to Xcode4 without screwing up xcode
<kumiriko> or if I will effectively need to uninstall xcode
<kumiriko> can that even be done?
<kumiriko> how would I even go about uninstalling xcode?
<abstrusenick> i have installed Xcode 4.2 alongside with gcc installer
<abstrusenick> so far no problem with xcode
<abstrusenick> but i don't use Xcode much
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<kumiriko> abstrusenick: ok cool thx
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<liekzomg> Whenever I try to make a HTTP.get I get a ECONNREFUSED regardless of the url. Net::HTTP.get(URI.parse("www.google.com")) Anything wrong with that code that would do it?
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<liekzomg> okay it turns out i need http:// in the uri
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<countskm_> just picked up the rspec book from pragprog - very nice
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<davidcelis> rspec :\
<bjorkintosh> how is it that such a popular language has such a slow channel?
<countskm_> like a sharp ginsu knife.. it can be used for good or evil ;-)
<davidcelis> bjorkintosh: It's Friday night dude
<bjorkintosh> it's been like this for a few days.
<davidcelis> It's been Friday night for a few days dude
<countskm_> im calling it a night myself - have a good one!
<deryl> night
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<davidcelis> OMG
<davidcelis> deryl: UR IN HERE 2
<davidcelis> OMG
<davidcelis> besties!
<deryl> hehe. I 4 2 B everywhar!
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<Aristata> What is the best way to take an ending off of a string, providing you know the ending
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<Makoryu> Is there a preferred lightweight WEBrick configuration (or Rack app or whatever) for just serving static files?
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<mxweas_> is it possible to set a user-agent for open-uri's #open globally?
<mxweas_> so it affects all open() calls without having to specify the user agent for each one?
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<Mon_Ouie> Define your own open function in a module that calls open() with a specific user-agent?
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<mxweas_> Mon_Ouie: any reason I should use a module?
<mxweas_> wouldn't I still have to define a class to include it?
<Mon_Ouie> No
<Mon_Ouie> YourModule.open(…)
<Mon_Ouie> Use module_function
<mxweas_> but I'd still have to replace all occurrences of open() with MyModule.open?
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<mxweas_> jk
<mxweas_> thanks for the help!
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<c00kiemon5ter> hi all
<c00kiemon5ter> I'm really new to ruby, and I'm playing with Liquid and Jekyll here
<c00kiemon5ter> I'm not sure this is the right channel to ask, but maybe you can help
<c00kiemon5ter> I'm trying to do this: {{ "2011-12-17" | date_to_string }} , use the date_to_string filter for the given date (which is a string)
<c00kiemon5ter> but I get: Liquid error: undefined method `strftime’ for nil:NilClass
<c00kiemon5ter> also: Liquid error: undefined method `strftime’ for “2011-09-16”:String (when quotted)
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<Thor^^> I'm having some issues installing the pg 0.12.0 gem, I get this output: http://pastebin.com/pwhgzNiw, I'm relatively new to Ruby and the mentioned log file contains the exact same output
<Thor^^> Worth mentioning: platform is Mac OS X 10.6.8, PG and Ruby 1.9 installed through port
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<enikar> Thor^^: you have to locate the file pg_config.
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<Thor^^> enikar: when I did that I got "invalid option: --with-pg-config=/opt/local/lib/postgresql91/bin/pg_config" instead, tho when I invoke /opt/local/lob/postgresql91/bin/pg_config it does output the config
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<enikar> Thor^^: and have you try to put /opt/local/lob/postgresql91/bin/ in your path ?
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<Thor^^> enikar: thanks, that worked
<enikar> Thor^^: you're wellcome
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<iband> is there any way to insert value in array at index (and if there is an object at the index already the other indexes adds 1). do smth like
* iband array = [a, b, c, d, e]
* iband array.add_object_at(2) = 'new'
<iband> ==> [a, b, new, c, d, e]
<rippa> iband: array[2,0] = new
<baniseterfiend`> iband: insert
<stuntpixels> array.insert(2, 'new') ?
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<iband> stuntpixels: awesome. thanks
<iband> baniseterfiend`: thanks :)
<baniseterfiend`> iband: it's ok young lady
<iband> baniseterfiend`: lady?! ><
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<igel> samuelk|away: I worked some more on my TextMate thing, but I can't get it right. Here's the best I could do: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4524400/how-can-i-send-an-line-in-textmate-to-an-irb-process-running-in-an-terminal-wind
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<negaduck> hi! in groovy i can do smth like if(request?.image) ... Is there a similar op in ruby?
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<mikey> Hey
<mikey> Hows everybody doing?
<apeiros_> negaduck: you mean ?. like in groovy? no. active_support has .try(:image), but that's only similar.
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<shevy> LONG LIVE RUBY!
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<glacius0> hey guys
<glacius0> anyone awake
<glacius0> Guess Im the early riser
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<shevy> glacius0 ALL ARE DEAD
<shevy> THESE ARE ZOMBIES HERE
<shevy> zombies make for better coders. no sleep required, and very simply code produced
<shevy> *simple
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<AxonetBE> if I have this loop https://gist.github.com/1490252, how can I get rid of the comma after the latest object?
<shevy> right now you append the comma always
<shevy> you should not append the comma if the iteration reached the last element
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<shevy> I would make a new string altogether
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<chs> how to take integers as inpu in ruby ???? ... m a noob.. pls help !!!!!!
<chs> *input
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<nil> hi, how do I pack a very big number (> 128bit) as big-endian? Array#pack doesn't seem to support it...
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<nil> chs: gets.to_i
<chs> nil : thanxx
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<nil> uhm, got a solution for my problem. in case anyone's interested: http://pastie.org/3031527
<nil> no padding yet, though.
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<relix> hey guys
<relix> is there a way to "find out" or call the method I'm currently in?
<relix> I want to do recursion but I don't know the name of the method I want to recurse
<shevy> relix, Kernel.__method__
<relix> shevy: thanks!
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<smooth_p> hey, when writing to a ruby socket how can I make sure its flushed only on depmand/
<smooth_p> demand*
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<catphish> relix: having fun?
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<uatecuk> hi there
<uatecuk> i'm trying to install ruby 1.9.3 on my new mac using RVM
<uatecuk> i keep getting told that the compiler cannot compile executables
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<uatecuk> i've read about and seen thta this can be caused by not having Xcode installed, but I have installed it and launched it, but it is still not working
<relix> catphish: yeah it was pretty fun :P
<relix> catphish: I bet I'm the only one to recurse like that
<catphish> that's certainly one of the more interesting solutions, i'm not even sure i understand it )
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<catphish> relix: it's got pretty popular, should have started with a more interesting challenge
<relix> catphish: maybe yes, but it's good that you're able to solve it without spending hours on it
<relix> catphish: are you the creator maybe?
<catphish> i am
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<relix> catphish: excellent, because I can crash it with this line: [string.slice!(0..4), send(Kernel.__method__, string) unless string.empty?].join("-")
<relix> it gives a syntax error in irb, but your site gives the normal RoR error
<relix> when trying to submit it, that is
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<uatecuk> rvm install 1.9.3 --with-gcc=clang <-- oo this seems to work
<relix> just a heads-up :)
<catphish> oh yeah
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<shevy> a heads-up
<shevy> and thumbs-down
<shevy> INTO THE ARENA WITH YOU!!!
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<catphish> relix: half-fixed
<catphish> looks like syntax errors aren't being handled correctly though
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<relix> catphish: cool
<catphish> relix: try now :)
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<relix> nice :)
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<relix> btw for my submission, the line send(Kernel.__method__, stirng) is just a workaround because the method the code is executed in isn't actually called "to_licence_key"
<catphish> it's not, we thought nobody would care ;)
<relix> catphish: wel I did :P
<relix> but don't change it now! else I'd be a try hard :P
<catphish> lol
<catphish> probably won't change it
<relix> so I'm chopping off the first five chars of the string, and throwing the rest of the string back into the same method (recursing)
<catphish> ah i see
<relix> and then joining the that first part and the string I got back from the recursed method, with a hyphen
<catphish> __method__ is the current method
<relix> in the last iteration the "string.empty?" will return false and thus we'd get an array containing the last five chars, and "nil", and I'm removing that nil by using .compact
<relix> catphish: yep exactly
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<relix> catphish: but that's cheating :p
<catphish> yes, i suppose it is :)
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<relix> it's good to know that I can remove the Kernel though, I'll submit that too :p
<relix> ah, detected as similar code, nice one :)
<catphish> not at cheating at this ;) http://therubygame.com/challenges/1/submissions/3332
<catphish> *as
<relix> hehehe :p]
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<relix> catphish: a nicer challenge would have been if there where an unknown amount of characters in the license key
<relix> now the best results are just static code inserting 4 hyphens
<catphish> indeed
<catphish> the next one will be more steps
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<catphish> that was just a simple challenge to see how it would work
<catphish> seems popular
<relix> definitely
<relix> you'll be able to get sponsors for the next one
<catphish> actually it already has sponsors
<catphish> it was done on my company time :)
<relix> oh another tip: I'd like to see all my submissions, and I'd like a shortcut to the page in the ranking board to where my submission is located
<relix> now I had to step through every page looking for mine in the vicinity of the runtime it generated
<relix> catphish: ah nice :)
<catphish> check the footer :)
<rippa> lol @ fastest code
<catphish> yeah, we may add something like 'my submissions' to allow people so see how they've done and delete old attempts
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<catphish> hopefully can help promote ruby itself as well as our interests
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<rippa> catphish: I like this idea
<rippa> with challenges
<rippa> very cool
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<relix> it'd be cool to have a challenge every week, and the fastest, most elegant, and most quirky will get a price e.g. 6 month subscription to ryan's railscasts
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<Afal> woo I got into the first page of solutions without cheating \o/
<Afal> now it's on the second page D:
<catphish> haha, it is weekly, and we may award prizes
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<voodoofish> has anyone used the serialport gem before?
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<raincole> how to stop irb printing executed results?
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<rippa> if you want that for one line, put ; in the end
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<raincole> Oh, it works. Thank you
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<iamjarvo> what would be a good way to group these? http://pastie.org/3032275
<iamjarvo> i want the number in the middle of the numbers that have the same value to be grouped
<iamjarvo> so 211 will be grouped with 196
<iamjarvo> i think i will grab a group of 6 and compare the last two
<iamjarvo> if the last two are the same keep the 6
<iamjarvo> if not grab 5
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<burgestrand> iamjarvo: read one number, find the last (same) number, read all including that number into one group, repeat
<burgestrand> won’t be performant but it’ll be intuitive
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<seanp2k> is there anything like pyjamas for ruby?
<iamjarvo> burgestrand: so when i grab the last one get the key of that one and start at the next key
<burgestrand> yeah
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<shevy> dumdedum
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<gener1c> is there a way to get only the methods from the current inheritance level of an object?
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<shevy> gener1c not a simple one
<shevy> you could perhaps do something like "get all methods from child object" - "get all methods from parent object"
<apeiros> gener1c: obj.class.instance_methods(false)
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<gener1c> apeiros: you are truely a ruby guru :P
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<gener1c> so thats how you learn the api of an object right?
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<apeiros> only of its class
<apeiros> an object can have methods of its own
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<gener1c> wait what
<chs> how to take input a single word in ruby .. i mean something other than gets ???????????
<apeiros> chs: we might be able to answer your question if you add in a dozen more question marks.
<chs> apeiros: answer any way man ....
<apeiros> feeling entitled to it?
<chs> not really , your wish
<apeiros> see IO. it contains all the reading methods.
<apeiros> since there's no common notion of "word", you'll have to build a read_word on your own.
<apeiros> also, if you're reading from stdin, then you'll have to disable the line buffering of the input device (non-trivial)
<chs> k.. is that to be done using regExp ??
<apeiros> no, for a regexp to work you need the string, the string you only have after reading.
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<tigranes> Hi! This may be a wrong place to ask this, but I'm trying to write a very simple web app that will allow the user to log in and download certain files from a directory. I've been writing it with Perl & CGI, but thought maybe it would be a good little project to try Ruby. Alas, my web host does not support Ruby on Rails.
<tigranes> How painful would it be to just use Ruby through CGI?
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<apeiros> tigranes: not any more painful than perl
<apeiros> running as cgi, it works about the same as perl too
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<apeiros> I wouldn't use rails then, though. its startup time is prohibitive for that modus operandi.
<troulouliou_dev> hi i m migration a post build event on visual studio 2010 from powershell to ruby , however i get a permission denied when trying to delete a folder , is there a way to somehow upgrade the execution policy to admin ?
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<tigranes> apeiros: Ah, I see. So a comparison I've seen of Ruby+CGI being a unicicle versus Rails being an automobile is relative; got it :)
<apeiros> tigranes: it is relative, but not wrong. rails does give you a lot of power. a lot of repetitive things already done for you.
<apeiros> troulouliou_dev: I doubt that that's a ruby question…
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<shevy> tigranes you can do a lot with ruby + cgi too
<shevy> don't think many use .cgi scripts though in the days of huge ass frameworks
<shevy> I am still using .cgi though ;)
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<techhelp> ['A','B','C'].each {|x| x.new} doesn't seem to work for me. How do you instantiate a class dynamically?
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<apeiros> 'A' is a string, so 'A'.new obviously can't work. take a look at Module#const_get
<apeiros> the toplevel module is Object.
<apeiros> @ techhelp
<ilteris> has anyone have an experience installing ruby on osx using homebrew?
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<apeiros> ilteris: I prefer rvm
<ilteris> apeiros not familiar with it, let me google it. is it similar to homebrew?
<thoughtfusion> ilteris: rvm is short for ruby version manager, it's a shell script for managing ruby versions on os x. it simplifies installation of different versions or just one quite a bit.
<ilteris> oh
<ilteris> so it has nothing to do with homebrew
<ilteris> let me find out how to install it on my machine
<ilteris> can I install rvm through homebrew?
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<thoughtfusion> ilteris: it's a simple one liner, so no, that's not necessary - its as simple as executing this command: bash < <(curl -s https://raw.github.com/wayneeseguin/rvm/master/binscripts/rvm-installer )
<thoughtfusion> in order to install ruby versions, however, you need xcode or apple's devel tools
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<ilteris> thoughtfusion: I do have xcode. I am an ios developer who would like to dip his toes in ruby :P
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<thoughtfusion> okay, so that command will get you up and running with rvm :)
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<abstrakt> how do folks deal with getting ruby 1.9.3 installed on Lion with the latest xcode? cuz the latest xcode only has llvm gcc which can't compile rubies or gems. I've been told that osx-gcc-installer is an option, but will that conflict with XCode's gcc?
<ilteris> thoughtfusion: yeah it has installed, how do I run it?
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<thoughtfusion> ilteris: try ruby -v to check the system ruby version, and then if you're looking for a specific ruby version, try `rvm install 1.9.3-p0` for version 1.9.3-p0 (the very latest with some new syntax)
<thoughtfusion> or whatever you're looking for
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<ilteris> oh wow: ruby 1.9.2p180 (2011-02-18 revision 30909) [x86_64-darwin10.7.0]
<thoughtfusion> yeah
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<thoughtfusion> ruby is installed by default, so that's not really a surprise
<thoughtfusion> but rvm is still helpful if you need to switch between rubies or gemsets :)
<ilteris> oh gotcha. this is the version that comes with lion then
<ilteris> thoughtfusion: noted :) thanks a lot guys.
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<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: first, i'd install rvm (with the command ` bash < <(curl -s https://raw.github.com/wayneeseguin/rvm/master/binscripts/rvm-installer )`) and then run `rvm install 1.9.3 --with-gcc=clang`
<thoughtfusion> (got that from stackoverflow, so i can't personally vouch for it)
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<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, I am in fact using rvm
<abstrakt> i always use rvm
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<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, xcode's gcc will NOT compile ruby, from rvm or otherwise
<apeiros> abstrakt: you're talking about lion, yes?
<abstrakt> apeiros, yes
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, oh wait, I see... --with-gcc=clang
<apeiros> you can use the gcc installer (it's on github, I can get the link if you need) to install other rubies
<abstrakt> hmm, i wonder if that will help
<abstrakt> apeiros, yes I know, my question is: will the gcc installer conflict with xcode?
<abstrakt> will I screw up my xcode install?
<abstrakt> i still need to be able to do iPhone dev
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<abstrakt> apeiros, osx-gcc-installer is very slim on documentation
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<gener1c> how do you study a new ruby lib?
<gener1c> say i want to study nokogiri from top to bottom
<gener1c> what interface would i use?
<gener1c> to study its features and usage?
<abstrakt> gener1c, github
<gener1c> ri, rdoc, google
<abstrakt> gener1c, what do you mean by interface?
<abstrakt> gener1c, vim?
<gener1c> you go into the code?
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<abstrakt> gener1c, sure I suppose nokogiri probably has ri/rdoc
<abstrakt> gener1c, yes
<gener1c> and stuff that doesnt have ri or rdoc?
<abstrakt> gener1c, go look at the code... if as you say you want to "study from top to bottom"
<ilteris> thoughtfusion: unfortunately rvm install 1.9.3-p0 doesn't work
<gener1c> well not like that
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<abstrakt> gener1c, then the only way to do that is to read the code, which should be availalbe on github
<gener1c> i mean just the interface
<abstrakt> ilteris, are you on mac also?
<ilteris> rvm doesn't work to begin with. yeah abstrakt
<gener1c> the usage abstraction level
<ilteris> lion
<abstrakt> gener1c, uhh, if it doesn't have ri/rdoc then you absolutely will have to read the code
<abstrakt> gener1c, unless maybe there's a read me on github
<gener1c> ok
<abstrakt> ilteris, yeah XCode's gcc is LLVM only which means it can't properly compile ruby
<gener1c> thanks
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<ilteris> abstrakt: uh oh. what's the suggested way of installing rvm then?
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<abstrakt> ilteris, it looks like this is required instead: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer
<abstrakt> ilteris, uhh, well it's not a problem to install rvm
<abstrakt> ilteris, the problem is trying to use rvm to compile ruby
<ilteris> oh, not familar with rvm sorry for my n00b questions
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<gener1c> weird
<abstrakt> gener1c, yes, you are... next question :P
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<gener1c> do i need to create a database for ri?
<gener1c> using rdoc or something?
<abstrakt> gener1c, not that I know of
<gener1c> ri File
<gener1c> didnt work
<abstrakt> gener1c, when you gem install nokogiri
<abstrakt> gener1c, it should install ri and rdoc stuff if it exists
<abstrakt> gener1c, what OS?
<gener1c> and its an stdlib class
<gener1c> arch
<gener1c> in ubuntu it works
<abstrakt> gener1c, ok, how did you install ruby? is it from pacman?
<gener1c> yeah
<gener1c> they stripped the docs didnt they
<abstrakt> gener1c, is there a pacman package for ri or rdoc?
<abstrakt> gener1c, you might just need to install the appropriate pacman package
<gener1c> no rdoc pack
<abstrakt> gener1c, I think it's the same on ubuntu, I believe ri is a separate package
<gener1c> yeah i see it now
<abstrakt> gener1c, hmm, well I always use rvm anyway, so I dunno what to tell ya
<abstrakt> and I use ubuntu
<gener1c> ruby-docs
<gener1c> in extra
<abstrakt> i used arch many years ago
<gener1c> i love arch
<gener1c> and ubuntu
<gener1c> both are amazing
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: did that flag help at all?
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, I haven't tried it actually I will try it in a minute, sorry I'll let you know
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, I'm on my ubuntu system right now
<thoughtfusion> no problem, i just dont have a mac to test on :)
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: linux here, too haha
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, yeah sure... it sounds promising/like a good idea
<thoughtfusion> you might have to run `rvm get latest` as well if you installed rvm a while ago
<gener1c> ok so ri only gives me the instance methods
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, nah I just installed rvm last night
<gener1c> ah wait i didnt dig deeper
<abstrakt> so I'm pretty sure it's very recent
<thoughtfusion> okay, so then i assume that flag should work then :)
<gener1c> File::atime is the class method and File#atime is the instance method?
<gener1c> thanks i figured it out
<gener1c> :P
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<gener1c> rdoc says 14 classes arnt documented
<dekroning> I would like to use "ri" to look up the File#join documentation, but how can I do this, since ri File#join doesn't work
<gener1c> lol
<gener1c> there is no such method
<apeiros> dekroning: "does not work" sucks ass as a problem description. I'll go ahead and assume your shell treats # as comment, try: ri 'File#join'
<gener1c> wait
<gener1c> class methodf
<apeiros> oh, you want File::join actually.
<dekroning> apeiros: yeah sorry for that
<gener1c> ri says File#join doesnt exist
<gener1c> :)
<apeiros> would have gotten that earlier with an actually useful problem description…
<dekroning> "Nothing known about File"
<gener1c> yay i was helpful
<apeiros> then you don't have the docs installed
<apeiros> installed ruby with rvm?
<gener1c> just like i did
<dekroning> apeiros: yeah i used rvm indeed
<apeiros> rvm docs generate
<thoughtfusion> dekroning: os?
<gener1c> whats rvm?
<gener1c> ruby vm?
<thoughtfusion> ruby version manager
<apeiros> gener1c: ruby version manager
<gener1c> sounds legit
<apeiros> downloads and compiles your rubies for you. and rubies is intentionally in plural. I've got about 5 different versions on my machine atm.
<dekroning> apeiros: perfect thanks a lot
<abstrakt> gener1c, it lets you maintain multiple different ruby versions installed on the same machine
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<abstrakt> gener1c, it's fully legit, I pretty much always and only ever use rvm
<abstrakt> gener1c, I never use packages
<apeiros> I only wish I knew how to set a couple of things to default (was too lazy so far to look it up): always generate docs, always compile with readline
<abstrakt> gener1c, also it allows you to have different sets of gems, so that you can know that you have exactly replicated the production environment with the exact same versions of everything
<apeiros> since on OSX, default readline is actually editline, which sucks ass or worse.
<thoughtfusion> yeah, i find gemsets immensely useful
<abstrakt> gener1c, and you can just switch to a different "gemset" when you work on a different project
<dekroning> apeiros: I like your style ;-)
<abstrakt> yeah, fuck osx lol
<gener1c> omg
<apeiros> didn't know I had one…
<gener1c> how nice
<gener1c> but why not use the shabang magic?
<abstrakt> i probably should be careful about saying that in a ruby channel :)
<apeiros> but, thanks, I guess?
<dekroning> hehe :-)
<abstrakt> gener1c, what do you mean?
<apeiros> abstrakt: until somebody finally makes something better, I'll stick with OS X and all of its flaws :-(
<dekroning> generation of those docs will take a while I guess
<gener1c> #!/usr/bin/env ruby1.8
<gener1c> #!/usr/bin/env ruby1.9
<abstrakt> apeiros, so how do you compile ruby then?
<abstrakt> apeiros, or are you not on lion?
<thoughtfusion> apeiros: just out of curiosity, have you tried any flavour of linux?
<apeiros> abstrakt: kenneth reiz gcc installer mentioned above
<abstrakt> gener1c, yeah but i.e. on ubuntu 11.10, they're still only on 1.9.1 when 1.9.3 is out already
<gener1c> wait you can compile ruby to binary?
<abstrakt> apeiros, ok, and do you have xcode as well?
<apeiros> thoughtfusion: only on servers. there we had suse, ubuntu, redhat and gentoo so far.
<abstrakt> apeiros, I just don't want the gcc installer to screw up my xcode
<abstrakt> gener1c, rvm is basically like pacman/emerge/ports
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<abstrakt> gener1c, it downloads and compiles whatever version you ask it to
<gener1c> o
<gener1c> and how do i protect my code?
<abstrakt> gener1c, rvm does not have binaries
<apeiros> abstrakt: no (technically I have xcode, but 4.1, which is fine, and on one work machine with lion I don't have xcode but that gcc installers gcc)
<abstrakt> gener1c, it's like pacman for ruby
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: i'd compile it with a prefix it then (im assuming its not a binary or anything) so instead of the normal configure, try `./configure --prefix=~/custom-gcc` or something of the like
<gener1c> so whats gem?
<gener1c> rubygems*
<abstrakt> gener1c, that doesn't make sense, protect what code?
<gener1c> if i make code
<gener1c> and i sell it to someone else
<apeiros> gener1c: a .gem is just a tarball
<abstrakt> gener1c, rvm installs the latest gem for you when you install ruby
<gener1c> but i dont want him to resell it to a third party
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<thoughtfusion> apeiros: interesting, i use it full time after switching from os x and find it quite a bit better but it's obviously personal opinion
<gener1c> because i invented that algo
<tigranes> Hrmm... when doing CGI, is it better to have a bunch of little CGI files or one big one that has all the logic?
<apeiros> thoughtfusion: what do you use then?
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<abstrakt> gener1c, then don't use an open source stack for development would be my suggestion
<apeiros> tigranes: cgi is started up on every request - big ones take time to load…
<abstrakt> gener1c, write the portion that you want to protect in C or C++ or something
<gener1c> was just wondering if there is an option
<abstrakt> gener1c, and then link to it from a ruby gem
<tigranes> apeiros: Good point :D
<apeiros> tigranes: of course, you can always go fcgi or rack… but those have different development styles.
<abstrakt> gener1c, plenty of gems do this, nokogiri for one, mysql for example
<thoughtfusion> apeiros: i run ubuntu, and a little "server" (much more than that) that runs arch. since i mostly use the cli, i find myself often with a full screen terminal as the only window open other than maybe github/xchat :)
<apeiros> tigranes: rack is the defacto standard in the ruby community when doing webdev, tho
<apeiros> tigranes: about all frameworks support/use it
<gener1c> i need to learn how to do that , not only for algo protection but also for speed
<gener1c> i saw that Hpricot did that for speed
<toxteth> to chime in: you could always have the algo as a webservice and call it each time its used.
<gener1c> SaaS you mean?
<toxteth> yes
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, apeiros, yeah honestly OSX really annoys the piss out of me with the whole "we assume our users are retards going to fashion school" thing
<gener1c> ah ok
<abstrakt> no hidden files in the finder?
<abstrakt> wtf?
<apeiros> abstrakt: not entirely true. it wouldn't have Terminal.app otherwise.
<abstrakt> you absolutely cannot set the default view to be "list view"
<toxteth> that way you are not distributing the algo at all and can keep track of usage
<abstrakt> it is in fact, fucking impossible
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<abstrakt> yes you can pay fucking $30 for pathfinder
<apeiros> abstrakt: but I love to have an OS about which I (most of the time) don't have to worry at all. I don't have to hand-hold it for every stupid little busy-work task.
<toxteth> is pathfinder good abstrakt?
<abstrakt> apeiros, totally true, terminal.app kind of sucks too btw :P
<abstrakt> iTerm2 ftw
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt, `defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE && killall Finder` ;)
<tigranes> apeiros: Forgive the stupid question, but how would I check if Rack is available? My web host doesn't support mod_ruby or any kind of persistent processes like Ruby on Rails
<apeiros> abstrakt: iTerm fucked up seriously with swiss-german keyboard and utf last time I tried it…
<abstrakt> toxteth, yeah I like it
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, yeah but in Nautilus this is as simple as CTRL-h
<abstrakt> apeiros, ahh, you're swiss/german?
<apeiros> abstrakt: also, now that Terminal.app supports thousands of colors and tabs, I'm actually happy with it
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<apeiros> abstrakt: yes
<abstrakt> i'm from the USA so I guess I don't really care about i18n for the most part
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: true, but i never found myself using gui file management anyway
<toxteth> woah dual pane finder
<apeiros> abstrakt: what I *do* miss, and what iTerm probably won't help with - I want a real meta-key.
<apeiros> re-purposing any other key as meta-key leaves me with unreachable characters :-S
<abstrakt> apeiros, yeah well, I want a real gcc :P
<abstrakt> seriously, doing open source web dev is SO much more seamless on *nix than on OSX
<apeiros> abstrakt: back your machine up, install the gcc installer, see how it works.
<abstrakt> at least you can frigging compile *nix stuff on OSX and there's homebrew etc
<abstrakt> but it's still a far cry from how easy it is to get things working on ubuntu
<toxteth> does iterm work with visor?
<abstrakt> I can be happily coding off of a fresh ubuntu install in less than like 15 minutes
<tigranes> Err, nevermind, I think I figured it out.
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: ubuntu (and linux in general) was built for a broader community. mac was built as a personal computer. i would not consider the computer i'm currently using, a personal computer.
<abstrakt> not even close with OSX
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: it is simply a matter of terminology, of course
<abstrakt> MAMP is a PITA
<abstrakt> setting up a lamp stack manually (compiling) is a PITA on OSX
<abstrakt> it's just so seamless on *nix
<abstrakt> sudo apt-get install apache
<abstrakt> install rvm, rvm install whatever
<abstrakt> done
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, yeah, if you're too retarded to understand the difference between when you single click, double click and right click
<abstrakt> a mac might be a good choice :P
<abstrakt> hahah, I do miss having netflix though
<thoughtfusion> haha, mac just isnt built for developers. even when i had a mbp, i had a dual boot with os x and arch - didn't even bother with x for arch.
<abstrakt> yeah, I still like my gui
<dekroning> apeiros: so about that documentation lookup stuff with ri, what's exactly the difference between File::join and File#join ?
<abstrakt> there are things that are in fact faster with a GUI
<dekroning> besides that one works, and one doesn't ;)
<abstrakt> and there are things that are impractical without one
<abstrakt> photoshop comes to mind
<apeiros> dekroning: File::join is a class method, File#join is an instance method
<apeiros> File.join will look up both
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: there are, i just don't do them :)
<abstrakt> anyway, this is all rather OT
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, vim or emacs?
<abstrakt> maybe you get leet with ed? :)
<dekroning> apeiros: ah great, wanted to start using everything via terminal, and minimize lookup in books or google searches as much as possible
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: vim
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, as it should be :P
<abstrakt> <3 vim
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<Harzilein> too bad ri/rdoc does not get the same attention in distributions as perldoc does
<dekroning> abstrakt: with vim do you have some nice ways to do refactorings like extract method etc? or your on your own ?
<Harzilein> people readily accept having to go to rdoc.info, but a perl install with broken perldoc would be considered broken
<abstrakt> dekroning, not sure what you mean
<abstrakt> dekroning, probably not from the sound of it
<abstrakt> dekroning, vim doesn't parse languages really, but you could write a vim plugin in ruby to do that
<abstrakt> dekroning, regex is all I ever need, and the so called "refactoring" capabilities of eclipse/netbeans are a joke
<abstrakt> they don't even work
<thoughtfusion> dekroning, with vim? no. with the host of vim plugins available? highly likely :)
<abstrakt> dekroning, anything you could do/parse with ruby you can do with vim since vim is scriptable using ruby
<dekroning> abstrakt: ruby mine seems to have some good refactoring capabalities
<abstrakt> dekroning, I usually find that good project planning precludes the need for refactoring
<abstrakt> I just never have a need for language/parsing based refactoring tools
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<abstrakt> dekroning, the thing that makes vim awesome is the keybindings, and the vim philosophy is to be small and lightweight and be a good editor, and the idea is that you would offload other needs to other utilities
<abstrakt> dekroning, i use eclipse for debugging via DBGp for example
<dekroning> abstrakt: TDD and planning don't really go hand in hand (not saying you don't do planning when TDD'ing, just that you come up with solution that works for current context, and then refactor)
<abstrakt> even though vim has a debugging plugin
<abstrakt> cuz the vim debugger kind of sucks
<abstrakt> hah, well I don't really do TDD, lol... so, guilty as charged :)
<abstrakt> but my code still works fine
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: then, how do you know :o ?
<abstrakt> dekroning, the thing that makes vim awesome is the keybindings
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, cuz the software works and there are no complaints?
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt, i'd say something more like.. the software works NOW, but perhaps not later
<abstrakt> dekroning, I literally feel retarded when I have to use other editors
<gener1c> i dont get it
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt, obviously, it's more of a time will tell sort of thing, but i also think without tests a program is not a real program
<Harzilein> i like the idea of ver, as it already uses eventmachine and is modularized in a way that appears to make it not too hard to add a console interface
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, yeah yeah I know, I'm a heathen :P
<gener1c> how is File::SEPERATOR passed to File.join?
<apeiros> it isn't
<gener1c> wait its a constant i cant set
<apeiros> File.join uses it without you passing it.
<gener1c> yeah the coin dropped whie saying it
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: just so long as you know :)
<abstrakt> dekroning, if ruby mine has nice refactoring stuff I will probably take a look at it
<Harzilein> i'm a sucker for asynchronous editors. emacs letting you wait while it downloads your mail makes it clear that it is not really an order of magnitude more advanced than vim, people just have stuck more stuff in
<abstrakt> dekroning, and in keeping with the vim philosophy, I'll probably use vim as my editor, and then open ruby mine when I want to refactor
<abstrakt> dekroning, and then close ruby mine immediately after :P
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<gener1c> ok the file SEPERATOR is "/"
<abstrakt> there's really no debate in the vim vs emacs argument, because they're two almost completely different tools
<dekroning> abstrakt: to be honest, i also *really* love vim, however I sometimes doing large refactorings and it's a bit of a struggle, then I see other people doing things like "extract method" refactoring in ruby mine, and thinking damn that's really nice, if though I hate all that other crap :)
<abstrakt> one is an OS, one is a text editor :P
<abstrakt> and as such they usually attract two different types of users
<abstrakt> dekroning, yeah, sure, and that's the vim way, use a diverse toolkit of small utilities built to perform a specific purpose well
<abstrakt> and then combine them in myriad of ways to acheive WORLD DOMINATION MUWAHAHAH!
<abstrakt> er, I mean... have fun
<abstrakt> dekroning, maybe you should just write a vim plugin that has the "extract method" functionality :)
<abstrakt> dekroning, I'll let you have dibs on it... cuz if you don't want it I'll build it
<abstrakt> and then make lots o money and acheive WORLD DOMINAT.... er... I mean... have fun
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<dekroning> abstrakt: instrestting idea indeed
<dekroning> abstrakt: that making lots of money part
<dekroning> euhm I mean fun
<gener1c> is the class Class an instance of itself?
<gener1c> and if so why doesnt ruby turn into a black hole?
<apeiros> gener1c: rubys object model has a circular root
<apeiros> and yes, class Class is an instance of Class.
<gener1c> did you buy apeiros.com ?
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<apeiros> no
<{REEMA}25> hi
<apeiros> gener1c: I bought apeiros.me
<gener1c> yeah i am there
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<dekroning> abstrakt: so when do we start ? ;-)
<{REEMA}25> how register channel?
<apeiros> {REEMA}25: that's not really a ruby question. read freenode's website for that.
<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, fucking sweet man --with-gcc=clang did the trick
<abstrakt> that's awesome, thank you so much :)
<thoughtfusion> abstrakt: no problem :)
<abstrakt> dekroning, hahah, well I'm in #vim so we could start now if you want
<abstrakt> dekroning, I'm a bit distracted with this rvm + osx thing right now
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<abstrakt> {REEMA}25, /join #freenode
<{REEMA}25> but this what?
<{REEMA}25> ok
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<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, btw where did you find that suggestion again?
<thoughtfusion> stack overflow
<thoughtfusion> great resource for all programming stuff
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<abstrakt> thoughtfusion, sure... got the link handy?
<abstrakt> I'd like to bookmark it
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<xissburg> lol
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<shevy> stack overflow is nice
<shevy> except that I still have no karma there :(
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<shevy> hey
<shevy> there was this ... "Ansii colours on windows" thing for ruby
<shevy> a gem
<shevy> anyone remembers the name?
<shevy> *ANSI
<shevy> ah found it in my browser history
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<rockets> I'm sure this is a dumb question but what's the diff between ruby 1.9.3-p0 and 1.9.3-head?
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<alphabitcity> Is it possible to get the diff of an two arrays whose elements are hashes? For example, http://pastie.org/3033689 — first - second = result.
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