apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<weaksauce> I mean't lately
<weaksauce> the guy was/is difficult to work with so he got what he gets I suppose.
<zenspider> you forgot "/always will be" :P
<weaksauce> true
<weaksauce> ha
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<diegoviola> I'm glad because I don't like some of those ideas about Rubinius X personally
<diegoviola> "purge the perl"
<diegoviola> I mean, really?
<waxjar> i need to perlisms for codegolf! :P
<diegoviola> yeah let's turn ruby into another python, good idea
<zenspider> diegoviola: yeah. but rubiniusx != rubinius
<weaksauce> what perlisms did they want to remove?
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<diegoviola> zenspider: right
<weaksauce> ah I see magic globals.
<weaksauce> I agree with them there actually. a lot of perl is bad news bears
<ljarvis> perl is glorious
<weaksauce> for the most part ruby picked and chose well.
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<waxjar> the only thing i don't really understand is why not clean up the MRI tests, from what I gather they're the biggest problem
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<|jemc|> waxjar: it all depends on how much "cleaning" one thinks they need
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<zenspider> also depends on how you define biggest problem. imho, the tech isn't the biggest problem
<|jemc|> I'd think we all can agree that maintaining rubyspec without the blessing and active participation of the team driving changes to the language (MRI) is an uphill battle, and many would agree it's too much resistance to be worth it
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<|jemc|> how or why that blessing and participation was lost is another question
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<darix> ljarvis: you saw the talk about perl lists and fun in function calls and hashes?:p
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<ljarvis> darix: the one you linked? yeah
<darix> i am glad i havent found such broken things in ruby yet :)
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<[spoiler]> mruby question: If I had a few "independent" ruby scripts (ie individual plugins), would I need to create multiple mrb_state or would multiple just contexts suffice? I'm not entirely sure how much is shared between what. There are common things between them, but they are essentially stand-alone.
<[spoiler]> I suppose I could test it out, but meh lol
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<[spoiler]> oh ok the context is something entirely different from the state, lol
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<GBrawl> I am having a bit of trouble using a gem, it says it can't find it
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<GBrawl> okay it's fine I forgot to install a particular gem
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<GBrawl> I want to make a list of tuples from a text file, where the tuples are seperated by a ","
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<ledestin> GBrawl: there’s no Tuple class in Ruby
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<apeiros_> GBrawl: you mean the tuples in the file are separated by a ","?
<GBrawl> yeah but it's fine, I just made a new class myself
<GBrawl> but that's what I meant indeed
<ledestin> tuple == record?
<apeiros_> ok. so you don't need help anymore?
<apeiros_> ledestin: from WP, "A tuple is an ordered list of elements.". in ruby, the primitive representation of tuples is an Array
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<apeiros_> of course you can use various classes to represent tuples.
<ledestin> ok. I tend to use word “record"
<apeiros_> terminology of those tends to be fuzzy, so I wouldn't argue it to be wrong. but http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4212265/tuples-vs-records might be helpful to figure what others mean.
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<ledestin> apeiros_: interesting, thanks
<apeiros_> yw
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<aaaaa> hello everyone
<aaaaa> first time i come there
<aaaaa> someone so kind to help me answer a question about ruby config on c extension on opensuse?
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<apeiros_> aaaaa: (not that I could) ask your question and see
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<aaaaa> nice
<aaaaa> i try to install with jruby 1.7.18 and i have the error "mkmf.rb can't find header files for ruby at /opt/jruby/lib/native/include/ruby/ruby.h" building native extensions
<aaaaa> someone had this issue?
<apeiros_> *jruby*?
<aaaaa> yes
<apeiros_> jruby shouldn't need ruby.h?
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<apeiros_> hm
<darix> aaaaa: what are you doing *exactly*?
<apeiros_> ah, you want to install a native extension with jruby, and then it needs ruby.h which fits jruby
<aaaaa> ye apeiros
<darix> aaaaa: which gem/library are you trying to install?
<aaaaa> the command is "jruby -S gem install tabula-extractor"
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<darix> that looks like a pure ruby extension
<godd2> darix the github repo claims it works with jruby 1.7+
<darix> headius might know more
<darix> aaaaa: jfyi we might integrate jruby in the normal ruby packaging this year. but we havent gotten around to that yet.
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<aaaaa> i notice ruby.h is installed on my system (via ruby20-devel package)
<darix> aaaaa: that wouldnt match your jruby
<aaaaa> but the folder is /usr/include/ruby-2.0.0/ruby.h
<darix> yes
<darix> ignore that
<aaaaa> ok
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<darix> the problem is probably the curses dependency of trollop
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<darix> that will require building a native extension
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<aaaaa> any doc to do it?
<darix> i dont think you can
<darix> what you can do is
<darix> jruby -S gem install --force tabula-extractor
<darix> which will not install trollop or curses
<darix> from a quickview it only breaks the bin/tabula tool the library itself should be fine
<aaaaa> im trying+
<aaaaa> nope .. same error
<darix> huh
<darix> then your jruby install might be broken
<aaaaa> i just donwloaded it
<aaaaa> maybe i can try
<godd2> it also possible that tabula only works with older 1.7 versions of jruby
<aaaaa> with the package installation of opensuse
<aaaaa> the dev team said 1.7 and above
<darix> opensuse has a jruby package?
<darix> that would be news to me
<darix> oh some people really packaged it already
<godd2> I know they *said* that, but its possible a newer 1.7 version of jruby came out and caused a problem
<darix> aaaaa: is there a jruby-devel package then by any chance?:)
<aaaaa> no there isnt :P
<darix> aaaaa: from which repository did you install the jruby rpm?
<aaaaa> i downloaded it from website
<aaaaa> in tar format
<aaaaa> the binary
<darix> aha
<darix> well #jruby then
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<aaaaa> the only config has been the path
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<aaaaa> ill try to change th group and ask there
<aaaaa> thanks to all
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<fluffypony> I have an urgent piece of work if anyone is interested - it's modifications to a jekyll plugin, so knowledge of Jekyll and Liquid is useful. Urgent as in asap, and it's (relatively) small - under a week's worth of work, I reckon. Oh, and it would be terribly useful if it could be paid for in Bitcoin, but I'm open to suggestions. pm me if this sounds like your cup of tea.
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<ruby-lang673> im trying to establish a user with many thermometers. i add the validation has_many under the users model and the belongs_to validation under the thermometer model. I can now create users and they can create thermometers, but the thermometers do not belong to a particular user. what am i missing?
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<havenwood> ruby-lang673: The best place for Rails questions is #rubyonrails. Nick registration requires: /msg NickServ help REGISTER
<havenwood> required*
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<notchinyourbedpo> can anyone help explain an error I have?
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<havenwood> notchinyourbedpo: what's the error?
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<notchinyourbedpo> trying to run a file and I get permission denied/load error
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<notchinyourbedpo> i tought it was my computer but it still occurs on another one, so obviously its my brain
<[spoiler]> don't load code into your brain, it's undefined behaviour
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<havenwood> notchinyourbedpo: Show the actual error to give us some clues as to the file, etc?
<[spoiler]> notchinyourbedpo: What's the full error message, though? Also, could you show us the result of `ls -al filename` (or w/e equivalent on that OS is)?
<notchinyourbedpo> the whole error is ruby: Permission denied -- c2f.rbn <Load Error>
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<notchinyourbedpo> minus that n
<[spoiler]> okay
<[spoiler]> how are you loading the file?
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<notchinyourbedpo> ruby c2f.rb
<[spoiler]> hmm, what does `ls -al` say?
<[spoiler]> Do you have read permissions for the file?
<havenwood> notchinyourbedpo: What OS?
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<notchinyourbedpo> windows y
<notchinyourbedpo> 7
<[spoiler]> oh
<notchinyourbedpo> and no permissions,
<notchinyourbedpo> and it doesn't work on 8 either
<notchinyourbedpo> windows 8
<notchinyourbedpo> no permissions, just plain old text file
<[spoiler]> all files have permissions afaik, even on windows
<[spoiler]> do you own the file? are you perhaps reading it from a flash drive?
<[spoiler]> I know I *always* had issues with opening files from those USB drives
<notchinyourbedpo> it's not on flash drive, does the file need to be in a specific folder by my program files?
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<[spoiler]> no idea, it's probably a permission thing. Try running the command prompt as admin
<[spoiler]> and then executing the script
<notchinyourbedpo> still denied :(
<[spoiler]> oh damn
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<[spoiler]> idk try waiting maybe someone will know, I am clueless; or you can try asking in #ruby
<notchinyourbedpo> wait, how do I add a file to directory?
<notchinyourbedpo> i think it worked on one of the computer
<[spoiler]> on windows?
<notchinyourbedpo> yes
<[spoiler]> drag and drop it, I guess?
<notchinyourbedpo> i meant ruby directory.. like mkdir somehting
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<dnrce> I'm having a weird issue with Ruby 2.2.0 where my sort order is different between Linux and OS X.
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<dnrce> Minimal test is [[1, 1], [2, 2], [3, 2]].sort{|x,y| y[1] <=> x[1]}
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<dnrce> On OS X (ruby 2.2.0p0 (2014-12-25 revision 49005) [x86_64-darwin14]) it evaluates to [[3, 2], [2, 2], [1, 1]]
<dnrce> On Linux (ruby 2.2.0p0 (2014-12-25 revision 49005) [x86_64-linux]) it evaluates to [[2, 2], [3, 2], [1, 1]]
<mistym> >> [[1, 1], [2, 2], [3, 2]].sort{|x,y| y[1] <=> x[1]}
<eval-in__> mistym => [[3, 2], [2, 2], [1, 1]] (https://eval.in/239315)
<apeiros_> dnrce: your sort order is not defined for the first two items
<apeiros_> so that's not really a bug in ruby, it's a bug in your sorting algorithm
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<dnrce> I assumed it would still be deterministic, and that would not differ across platforms
<dnrce> What might account for the difference?
<apeiros_> you said it quite correctly, you assumed.
<apeiros_> can be anything
<apeiros_> ruby used qsort last I checked. probably different implementations on osx and linux.
<yxhuvud> anyhow, there are no guarantees it is a stable sort.
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<dnrce> Interesting. Guess I'll have to adjust my logic a bit.
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<yxhuvud> you could try .sort_by(&:reverse)
<yxhuvud> a bit wasteful though.
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<apeiros_> interesting. looks like at least 2.2 uses its own qsort implementation.
<apeiros_> ~150LoC in util.c, ruby_qsort
<apeiros_> and they still use that horrible mix of tabs & spaces for indent. :-x
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<dnrce> I'm actually sorting ActiveRecord objects by a count of their dependent objects. I think I'll sort on ID as well to make it predictable.
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<apeiros_> you shouldn't sort them in ruby. let the db do that.
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