<rickrobs>
hey all, I'm using the ruby daemons gem to run some background processes. It is working great when I go into the dir and run the command to start the process
<rickrobs>
but when I try and start it from any other directory it doesn't work
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<rickrobs>
any idea what that could be?
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<rickrobs>
"ruby server_control.rb start" works fine but "ruby bin/server_control.rb start" doesn't start the process
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<bitflipping>
rickrobs: does something in the program kick out due to not being able to find a file?
<bitflipping>
it might have different relative access paths if you run it from a different base directory?
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<rickrobs>
wow @bitflipping
<rickrobs>
you are probably right
<rickrobs>
nice call. Thanks!
<bitflipping>
I've had problems with that type of thing when setting up build environments, no prob man
<bitflipping>
good luck
<rickrobs>
thanks
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<bitflipping>
and thanks bnagy
<bitflipping>
sometimes after a while I start thinking, man I should have responded to that haha
<bnagy>
haha, it's ok I was cooking (again)
<bnagy>
that's a pretty impressive beginner project though. Are you upstreaming your changes?
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<bnagy>
s/beginner/ruby beginner/
<bitflipping>
github.com/jgleesawn
<bitflipping>
4 commits with some rough descriptions of what was done
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<bnagy>
if you forked it then you can just send them a PR
<bitflipping>
made a pull request, but it probably needs some touching up before its accepted
<bitflipping>
I was adjusting my tabstops in vim throughout so the spacing isn't consistent with the original master
<bitflipping>
and I made some interior structural changes? all in all I sent a pull request for input/review
<bitflipping>
thanks though, I think I learned a bit more than I had planned on about ruby by doing this
<bitflipping>
Everything I said earlier could probably be compressed to "I'm not sure its idiomatic Ruby so I'm absolutely open to making changes where requested." haha
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<yorickpeterse>
cloudfront -> edit distribution -> edit behaviours
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<ljarvis>
aha
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: nice one, ta
<ljarvis>
actually i dont think that's what i want :(
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<yorickpeterse>
If the origin sets the headers this should allow Cloudfront to pass them along
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<yorickpeterse>
Unless you want Cloudfront itself to set the headers dynamically
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<ljarvis>
i just want cloudfront to re-use my Content-Encoding header
<ljarvis>
this seems like it forwards headers TO the origin
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<darix>
ljarvis: CF and amazon doent have to use the came content-encoding header
<darix>
dont ...
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: hm
<ljarvis>
darix: huh?
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<darix>
ljarvis: encoding can be handled at the proxy level and the proxy can send the decoded stuff
<darix>
?
<darix>
content-type is what they should preserve
<darix>
ljarvis: why content-encoding do you set?
<ljarvis>
darix: its for gzipping assets, it needs to be set at CL level to work properly
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<darix>
maybe you can configure it again on the CF level?
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<ljarvis>
that was my question to yorickpeterse, but alas it seems there is no place to configure such a setting
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<ljarvis>
which makes sense, since my assumption was that it would reuse the headers from the origin (after all, that's what a good cache would do)
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<yorickpeterse>
hm
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<darix>
ljarvis: content-type yes. encoding can be unpacked on the proxy e.g.
<ljarvis>
OH
<ljarvis>
I think I figured it out
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<ljarvis>
darix: CL should use the same Content-Encoding.. there is no reason it should not unless I tell it to
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<ljarvis>
my endpoint circumvents nginx
<ljarvis>
LOL
<yorickpeterse>
how do I HTTP
<darix>
o.O
<ljarvis>
the on I gave CF is the "raw" url
<ljarvis>
i.e the aws endpoint
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<ljarvis>
(the elb endpoint, to be specific)
<ljarvis>
sighh
<ljarvis>
http, not even once
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<[spoiler]>
Does anyone here use weechat?
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<darix>
irssi 4 life :p
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<surrounder>
[spoiler]: I do
<[spoiler]>
Would you recommend it, surrounder?
<workmad3>
darix: or at least until you can get that IRC neural implant, eh? :)
<surrounder>
[spoiler]: yes
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<darix>
workmad3: i like the possibility to be offline at times. no need for that.
<surrounder>
I mainly went for it after a break from irssi and after that losing my config
<[spoiler]>
Is it true that there's a lot of initial configuration that needs to be done or something?
<surrounder>
less than with irssi imho
<workmad3>
darix: I'd be very surprised if an IRC neural connection didn't allow you to go offline :P
<darix>
[spoiler]: irssi and weechat both have sane defaults.
<workmad3>
darix: it would just avoid all the annoying typing :)
<surrounder>
also the builtin scriptmanager is easy as cake and the weechat-proxy is really nice in combination with the android client
<darix>
workmad3: and just push out all the things i think. ;)
<darix>
workmad3: not a good idea
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<darix>
irssi can proxy too. ;)
<darix>
just saying
<darix>
also
<workmad3>
darix: it would make it more fun :D
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<darix>
who needs a proxy when you can just use juicessh to connect via mosh to your host :p
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<[spoiler]>
lol
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<[spoiler]>
I do that with irssi (use juicessh)
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<surrounder>
darix: yeah that works too, I prefer the native android client though
<workmad3>
darix: what? you mean you don't use the tor hidden service for freenode? :)
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<darix>
[spoiler]: any specific reasons why you want to switch?
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<[spoiler]>
darix, I use hexchat on windows, xchat on linux, irssi on the server. I kinda wanted to unify it all, and someone told me about weechat (and there's an Android client)
<surrounder>
yeah that android client is really nice
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<[spoiler]>
I wanna ditch it all and just use 1 client + 1 the android client
<surrounder>
builtin option for ssh tunneling too
<darix>
[spoiler]: if you want to unify that ... quassel is imho better
<[spoiler]>
oh nice
<darix>
also irssi has proxy support as well
<[spoiler]>
*googles quassel*
<surrounder>
darix: yeah but I don't think irssi's proxy will work with the weechat android client
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<darix>
surrounder: so use any other available irc client for android?
<[spoiler]>
does quassel have a CLI?
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<darix>
no idea
<darix>
does it matter? you can connect with a gui from each host
<surrounder>
darix: nah, I'm golden with my current setup
<darix>
to your quasssel core running on the server
<[spoiler]>
darix, but what id I don't have a GUI available
<surrounder>
[spoiler]: it sounds like weechat really might be what you're looking for
<[spoiler]>
Quassel *does* look nice, though
<surrounder>
irssi-like on the cli and a really handy android client
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<darix>
[spoiler]: i think i would just drop all those xchat clones and use putty e.g. to get your irssi on the windows hosts.
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<[spoiler]>
darix, yeah but WeeChat allows for Ruby plugins, which means I could ditch the perl ones (they are fairly simple, but I wanted to write more and I cba with Perl) :D
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<surrounder>
that too
<darix>
well
<darix>
window_switcher is a killer script for me
<darix>
and also
<darix>
xmpp support sucks in weechat
<[spoiler]>
oh idc about xmpp, to be honest
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<darix>
idc?
<surrounder>
I don't care
<darix>
thanks
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<yorickpeterse>
hgngngngngn I get to spend the rest of the day writing Mongo migration scripts
<yorickpeterse>
yay for actually being on time for a chance
<yorickpeterse>
* change
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<[spoiler]>
surrounder, hmm. Have you used RVM and weechat? I think cmake can't figure out RVM's rubies lol
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<surrounder>
[spoiler]: I have not
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<yorickpeterse>
Hm, this DB has some data from 1919
<yorickpeterse>
I doubt that's correct
<yorickpeterse>
since there were no online guest reviewsin 1919
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<DefV_>
as far as YOU know
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<bradland>
i've been writing online reviews since 1809 - dorian gray
<[spoiler]>
yorickpeterse, I'm sure George V made online reviews back in his day
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<yorickpeterse>
I doubt they're on Booking.com, TripAdvisor and the likes
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<ddd>
GOOD MORNING RUBYLANG! (said in the voice of Robin Williams)
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<BenginnerRuby>
#rubyonrails
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<matti>
ddd: You should be doing GOOOOOOODDDDD ... ;]
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<ddd>
matti, lol! I am, I am! You?
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<matti>
ddd: I mean, the Rob Williams thing ;]
<matti>
ddd: I am good, a bit tired, but good ;]
<ddd>
yeah I knew what you meant. :)
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<matti>
ddd: ;D
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<ddd>
matti, well, yet another drive by HEY! accomplished. back to fixing my wife's website, then on to my own studies. But we're gonna have to sit some time and just chat. its been awhile
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<matti>
ddd: Hehe :) Indeed.
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<ddd>
:thumbs up:
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<ndrst>
happy friday!
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<headius>
we want to update again and have worked around the absolute path issue, but I was wondering if anything changed in RG regarding this
<headius>
our hack isn't beautiful but neither is the way we load exts
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<ljarvis>
bootstrapped compiler developers are so selfish
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<bitflipping>
It looks like I need to somehow get my ruby program into an exe? any suggestions/preferred methods?
<bitflipping>
gDEBugger, an opengl debugger, can only specify executables, I don't think it can attach to running processes
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<|jemc|>
bitflipping: in linux, you can run *gdb* on the ruby binary with your filename to load after "--args"
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<|jemc|>
bitflipping: I don't know if this helps or not on windows with gdebugger
<|jemc|>
(never used gdebugger)
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<darix>
bitflipping: you probably want to do something similar on your windows machine. run the debugger against the plain ruby binary and tell it to exec your script
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<ruby-lang921>
hello kaaaahirul
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<amsi>
bitflipping: if you installed Ruby with RubyInstaller, you can execute your .rb file directly by double clicking it or typing the file name in the terminal
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<ruby-lang432>
hi
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<bitflipping>
thanks |jemc| darix and amsi I'm kind of bumbling along, my ruby development is in an msys2 environment and I'm not sure that carries to the files when gDEBugger tries to load a file haha.
<bitflipping>
I had come across ocra/crate etc links on a page, but wasn't able to get ocra to work immediately so I took a break
<bitflipping>
I figured if I stuffed my program into an executable I could just bind to that haha
<bitflipping>
all the gems being installed in msys2 having an impact on what I'm able to do as well
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<SkyDriver2500>
Anyone can tell are the requesites to start learning exploit development with metasploit?
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<apeiros>
a computer, internet access and brains?
<SkyDriver2500>
thank you mate
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<bitflipping>
SkyDriver2500: maybe look through patches fixing the type of exploit you'd like to learn about
<bitflipping>
download the source from before the patch and compile
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<bitflipping>
you can with then set up a controlled environment you can poke around in, instead of poking around in the "dark"
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<bitflipping>
(poking at stuff you're not even sure would have an exploit to be taken advantage of)
<bitflipping>
SkyDriver2500: if you have friends that are interested, you could each set up a system with exploits and make a game, either competitive or not as to who can get further into the other's system
<bitflipping>
point system for depth of penetration or breadth of penetrations?
<bitflipping>
totally up to yall
<bitflipping>
or just for messing around so you're given a system you know has exploits, but you're not sure what they are
<mustmodify>
using very small words to accommodate my (apparently) small brain, can someone explain why, given `class Fu; def self.baz; "baz"; end; end;`, Fu::baz apparently does the same thing as Fu.baz ?
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<bitflipping>
what is the difference between . and :: ?
<mustmodify>
is that meant to be a clarifying question, a rhetorical one, or genuine curiosity?
<bitflipping>
the third
<bitflipping>
I've used them interchangeably in my program for class methods, I've not found an instance where one works and the other doesn't
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<bitflipping>
I don't have a wide berth of experiences with it though
<mustmodify>
bitflipping: well, this doesn't work. `class Fu.Bar; end;`
<bitflipping>
so it seems to me that :: is used for scoping, hence can be used for definition or calling
<bitflipping>
while . can just be used for calling?
<bradland>
bitflipping: i think it's because the method name is capitalized
<bradland>
which is a horrible crime against rubymanity
<mustmodify>
Rubymanity
<mustmodify>
genius
<bitflipping>
I can't say class Fu.bar; end;
<bitflipping>
with capital or lowercase
<bradland>
wut?
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<bradland>
sry, i misread earlier
<bradland>
i thought you were trying to call a class method: class Fu;def self.Bar;end
<bradland>
er something
<bradland>
man, you managed to pick a project that runs in to all sorts of ugly ruby, bitflipping :)
<bitflipping>
haha, this is just trying to answer mustmodify 's question :p
<mustmodify>
yeah, I don't have that in my code, I just accidentally stumbled upon the fact that it worked, which disturbed me.
<bradland>
ah, scrollback
<bradland>
i have irssi running in a very tiny window
<bitflipping>
lol
<bradland>
:: can be used with class methods, but it's not preferred
<bradland>
there are also strange cases where i think it's reuired
<bradland>
like if you have a method that is capitalized?
<bradland>
Foo::Bar()
<hal_9000_>
actually, i asked the same question long ago — as i explored, it turned out there were good reasons it worked that way, though I can’t recall now
<bradland>
psh, reasons
<bitflipping>
bradland: that breaks
<bitflipping>
but Foo.Bar() works
<bradland>
ok, so it's the opposite
<mustmodify>
bradland: I think that's where I saw it... some gem was doing that. It looked like black magic.
<hal_9000_>
what do you mean, it breaks?
<bitflipping>
but you can access class constants by Foo::ConstVar
<bitflipping>
but not Foo.ConstVar
<mustmodify>
Happy belated birthday, hal_9000_
<hal_9000_>
you can say def Foo::Bar, right?
<bradland>
my rule: don't capitalize methods, cuz that's weird, and people will know you're weird.
<hal_9000_>
mustmodify:
<hal_9000_>
Wow, you are knowledgeable :)
<mustmodify>
bradland: people will know you're incompetent and should be avoided. Hopefully.
<hal_9000_>
sometimes methods are capitalized
<mustmodify>
hal_9000_: It was on my calendar. I'm a nerd.
<bradland>
i'm a real treasure trove of 3rd grade-level knowledge
<hal_9000_>
mustmodify: i guess u know the city and state too then
<mustmodify>
hal_9000_: Yes, sometimes methods are capitolized. And sometimes people are dumb. And sometimes people are in Congress. But I repeat myself.
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<bitflipping>
hal_9000_: you can define it that way, but you can only call it with Foo.Bar, Foo::Bar complains
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<bitflipping>
about an uninitialized constant
<hal_9000_>
Foo::Bar() works i think?
<bitflipping>
oh look at that
<bitflipping>
haha
<hal_9000_>
there are times when it’s entirely appropriate to capitalize a method name
<hal_9000_>
it’s in the ruby core
<bradland>
is there?
<bradland>
shows what i know
<hal_9000_>
Integer() for example
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<bradland>
yeah, but that's sneaky
<bradland>
it's like it's masquerading
<hal_9000_>
it feels a little funny, but it’s pure ruby
<bradland>
Array()
<bradland>
etc
<hal_9000_>
that too yes
<mustmodify>
hal_9000_: The folk on #rubinius would say that just because it's in the Ruby core doesn't mean it was intentional or a good idea. :S
<hal_9000_>
:) well, that’s rubinius
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<bitflipping>
so mustmodify it seems if you don't have paren, then Foo::Bar will toss an error because its looking for a constant; and Foo.Const will toss an error because its looking for a method
<mustmodify>
it's a good project.
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<headius>
well, hard to argue that it was unintentional ;-)
<hal_9000_>
“good idea” is debatable, but i think it’s intentional
<headius>
someone had to add the method binding
<hal_9000_>
no, it just happened ;)
<mustmodify>
bitflipping: Yeah, I noticed that. Seems like the parser should throw it out on the grounds of pure chaos rather than calling it a method. "Hey, dumb dumb, methods and classes aren't really the same."
<bitflipping>
oh all of this was within the realm of a class, I don't know if its different for modules
<hal_9000_>
no, you can also have variables and methods named the same,
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<hal_9000_>
distinguished by context
<mustmodify>
headius: You just like to argue. :P But I meant, "may not have been the intent of the community."
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<hal_9000_>
:) “the community” didn’t create ruby, they just use it
<mustmodify>
the community of contributors.
<hal_9000_>
*we
<mustmodify>
like
<hal_9000_>
well, matz has ultimate veto power - if it’s in there, he approved it
<mustmodify>
one crazy developer or even Matz when tired and frustrated.
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<mustmodify>
hal_9000_: Matz seems like a cool guy, and too kind to throw stuff out the way Torvalds would. "This is dumb. No."
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<hal_9000_>
haha, matz has thrown out many things, but politely :)
<headius>
mustmodify: that's not true at all, I just like to make sure people tell the truth
<headius>
you're buying into a lot of FUD
<mustmodify>
hal_9000_: right. I'm saying I bet there are many instances where he's like, "Well, this isn't great, but ok."
<headius>
"I bet"
<headius>
don't spread more FUD
<hal_9000_>
it might be true, but i’ve never heard anything like that from him :)
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<mustmodify>
headius: Which part is FUD? It's kind of my enemy... FUD. So I'm interested in validating whether I'm spouting it.
<headius>
well, you don't have any evidence that matz does that and you're saying "I bet he does"
<mustmodify>
hal_9000_: I'm just speculating based on the few times I've met him at conferences.
<headius>
and you're theorizing that Array might not have been intentionally added because Rubinius folks say that's how things happen...hearsay at best
<mustmodify>
headius: sure, but I'm not saying, "He does."
<hal_9000_>
he is more open to discussion in person, yes
<headius>
you could say "I bet he beats puppies" too
<mustmodify>
headius: fair point, but I would retort that it was fully qualified with "I think" and "i bet" rather than "Hey here's what happened."
<hal_9000_>
but on the mailing lists, he’s more of a polite dictator
<headius>
it doesn't make it right to say it just because you aren't using absolute statements
<mustmodify>
headius: Hm... I could say that but it would not match my experiences...
<headius>
share your experiences then
<mustmodify>
headius: Now you on the other hand seem like kind of a frustrated guy.
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<headius>
not bets
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<hal_9000_>
well, if it’s base on experiences, that is different yes :)
<mustmodify>
all: I bet headius beats puppies.
<hal_9000_>
only when they spread FUD
<headius>
I'm frustrated with people slandering MRI
<headius>
that's what I'm frustrated with
<mustmodify>
headius: and the puppies. But you should stop that because they're helpless.
<headius>
and I'm sorry you are the lucky one I saw do it today :-)
<bitflipping>
so, offtopic, but related to "just because it's in the Ruby core doesn't mean it was intentional or a good idea." I had remembered reading this a while ago "The committee shall make no rule that prevents C++ programmers from shooting themselves in the foot."
<bitflipping>
thought that was funny
<headius>
bitflipping: nice
<hal_9000_>
funny on more than one level yes :)
<hal_9000_>
but also a little serious - because “with great power comes great responsibility” - to wuote a fine arachnid-American
<mustmodify>
headius: I certainly don't mean to 'slander' mri. If you want a more complete, albeit only moderately more educated view, I think MRI could do with a comprehensive test suite... say one like ruby-spec.
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<bitflipping>
lol
<hal_9000_>
or Dave Thomas: “Java is the ‘blunt scissors’ of programming.”
<headius>
MRI's test suite has more assertions and better coverage than rubyspec
<hal_9000_>
or Matz: “Ruby is a language for grwnups.”
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<hal_9000_>
i think most of us agree ruby has its flaws - we just don’t always agree on what they are
<headius>
indeed
<headius>
there's things I don't like too
<hal_9000_>
i recall a rant about indentation from a pythonista - “python got this right, why can’t ruby?”
<hal_9000_>
the principal things I dislike are the things that i just can’t *remember*
<bitflipping>
so bad they wiped your memory? :p
<hal_9000_>
like differences between Proc and lambda, or how Dir[] works
<headius>
mustmodify: seriously though, nothing against you...I'm just sensitive to some of the rumors you were unintentionally spreading
<bitflipping>
despite a lack of experience and not being very good at it, I am pretty pleased by ruby. Probably the most by reading about DSLs the other day, still kinda sitting in the glow of how cool that is.
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<bitflipping>
sidenote: something is hearsay until someone omits that part in their recollection
<headius>
bitflipping: yeah exactly why it's a bad thing to base conclusions on
<bitflipping>
kind of a, if this were to get repeated and a random amount of information were to be lost, how close would it remain to the initial intentions
<headius>
so many politicians that leverage that
<headius>
say something that's not true enough and people will believe it's true
<bitflipping>
aye
<headius>
like the myth that MRI has no test suite
<bitflipping>
haha, googling for that, the first page that pops up is your post
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<headius>
bitflipping: nice
<headius>
bbl all
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<mustmodify>
headius: I guess the rumor I'm spreading is that Matz is a nice guy and that I don't get while Fu::bar is a valid way to call a method.
<|jemc|>
mustmodify: so use the Rubinius VM to build your own language and make the rules yourself :D
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<mustmodify>
|jemc|: I'm happy to live with not understanding :: rather than building my own language. :)
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<|jemc|>
mustmodify: it's actually quite a fun way to vent your frustrations creatively
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<mustmodify>
building a language?
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<whitequark>
granted, the approach Ruby takes with regards to syntax and stdlib alike ("accept as much input as possible") isn't a very good one
<whitequark>
it leads to ridiculous corner cases in the parser and stdlib
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<|jemc|>
whitequark: but it's not like you have to deal with parsing
* |jemc|
runs
<yorickpeterse>
what's going on here
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<|jemc|>
yorickpeterse: I'm stealing your gimmick of running is what
<yorickpeterse>
slandering MRI..rubyspec...meh I'm back to fixing JITs
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<yorickpeterse>
while we're at it, there's a huge difference between "slander" and "criticism"
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<yorickpeterse>
also assertions have fuck all to do with test quality
<yorickpeterse>
I could write `true.should == true` 15 times, that doesn't make something better
<|jemc|>
also coverage percentage is also unrelated to quality
<|jemc|>
although both are important
<yorickpeterse>
headius: also nobody is saying MRI has no tests. Something about spreading FUD/rumors I guess?
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<yorickpeterse>
|jemc|: coverage percentage is only meaningful if it covers directly executed code
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. a test running method A that calls method B will also result in B being "covered"
<yorickpeterse>
(without B being explicitly tested)
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<yorickpeterse>
There are also plenty of cases where rubyspec did cover things MRI's test suite doesn't, so merely talking about "coverage" as a whole is not very useful
<yorickpeterse>
Since I'd argue that the end coverage % would be similar
<yorickpeterse>
errrr * since I think
<yorickpeterse>
or something like that
<yorickpeterse>
simple, random example I can think of: Thread::Backtrace::Location#path has exactly 0 specs in MRI
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<yorickpeterse>
same for #absolute_path
<yorickpeterse>
or well, anything of the entire class
<yorickpeterse>
durr wait that's not entirely true
<yorickpeterse>
There are some tests for it, but I can't really tell if they test the class' behaviour or just Kernel#caller_locations
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<ljarvis>
hm
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<mustmodify>
I see some weird error messages but this is one of my favorites. "comparison of BigDecimal with BigDecimal failed"
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<mustmodify>
Could have a better error message, but it makes sense that you can't do ["NaN", "0.0"].min
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<nofxx>
is there any rake built in or gem helper to preprocess (as in change <<WHATEVER>> syntax in a bunch of files)
<nofxx>
as in #define FOO
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<nofxx>
it's a js app (phonegap) at least my toolchain will be rake, hehe
<ljarvis>
nofxx: it's called sed
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<nofxx>
ljarvis, you get what you need ;) Just checking, maybe there was some env handler stuff I didn't knew
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<svajone>
svajone has returned. :D
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<svajone>
I have a question, say I have a hash, obj[:key]. How do I pass it as a parameter both key and value?
<ljarvis>
svajone: key, obj[key] ;P
<svajone>
just key?
<ljarvis>
I don't know exactly what you want from your question
<svajone>
What if I use it in conjuection with CSV.foreach?
<svajone>
So I have a hash, say meme = { :key => ‘value’ }
<svajone>
If I did meme[:key] it would return ‘value’ for me. What if I want to get the key as well? Meaning, get key and value?
<ljarvis>
svajone: you already have the key
<ljarvis>
if you didn't, you wouldn't be able to get the value
<ljarvis>
svajone: no? :)
<ljarvis>
anyway, you can do `key, value = hash.assoc(key)` but still a bit confused since you have key already so what's the point
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<svajone>
I know, but I need to pass both key and value to a function that is why I needed that method. :D
<svajone>
Thanks ljarvis !
<ljarvis>
svajone: but.. you have the key already, so you'd do my_function(key, obj[key]) :D
<ljarvis>
but yeah, no worries
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<svajone>
Thanks. :)
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