apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<slaveworx> hi everyone
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<slaveworx> guys, I have a question
<slaveworx> how can I use OCRA on linux?
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<slaveworx> is there any good alternative?
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<slaveworx> anyone's there?
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<womble> slaveworx: If you're referring to https://github.com/larsch/ocra/, doesn't look like it -- README says "Windows support only"
<slaveworx> womble , ty for the help
<slaveworx> do you know any alternative?
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<womble> No. I haven't touched a Windows machine in years.
<slaveworx> Me neither
<slaveworx> I'm on Xubuntu
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<slaveworx> but i need to build an exe
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* womble defaults to "no" just on principle
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<womble> Locke23rus_: What about that gist do you think would be a bug?
<wallerdev> bug is java is slow ;P
<Locke23rus_> womble: when you first time try to require not exist file it took too much time
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<womble> Locke23rus_: That doesn't seem like a bug to me. Just means you need faster disks.
<Locke23rus_> womble: ha! it's works as expected without rubygems %)
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<wallerdev> or to stop requiring files that dont exist lol
<womble> wallerdev: Madness!
<Locke23rus_> wallerdev: it's comes as bonus with gem "addressable"
<wallerdev> well that sounds like the real bug :)
<Locke23rus_> anyway it's slow!!! :)
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<slaveworx> guys, about packaging an ruby app for distribution, how do you usually do?
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<wallerdev> what kind of distribution?
<wallerdev> i think the majority of ruby apps are websites
<wallerdev> and those dont get packed up
<Locke23rus_> wallerdev: here a new project http://phusion.github.io/traveling-ruby/
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<slaveworx> I mean, I did a simple game
<slaveworx> one file game
<slaveworx> just to test some logic
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<slaveworx> now I want to package it into an .exe or .deb in order to be able to simply click the package and run
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<slaveworx> I mean, I don't want the people that will play it will need to manually install ruby for playing the game
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<nofxx> slaveworx, I've starred some stuff for that lemme check
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<nofxx> iirc it's atom, a gem they moved from it
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<nofxx> slaveworx, https://github.com/phusion/traveling-ruby there's another one wait
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<nofxx> ops.. other one is the same for nodejs
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ljarvis> moin
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<yorickpeterse> <3 pg window functions
<yorickpeterse> all this crappy Ruby code used for calculating percentages can be removed \0/
<tbuehlmann> \o/
<ljarvis> less rants?
<ljarvis> haha just kidding
<ljarvis> unpossible
<tbuehlmann> will be pg window function rants then
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<yorickpeterse> Actually I have nothing bad to say about window functions so far
<yorickpeterse> What does frighten me is that the more I see this code, the more I'm scared how this ever worked as a whole
<yorickpeterse> There are so many small, recurring patterns that really make you wonder if people were coding with their asses instead of their brains
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<ljarvis> if i could code with my ass, i would be rich
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<maloik> why is that? I wouldn't pay to see it...
<ljarvis> well that's because i haven't marketted it, so you're not drawn in
<maloik> yea I really don't think there's much you could do to sell that to me :P
<ljarvis> ohhh if only i had an ass that could type. You would see
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<TrebleChef> I cant seem to get my head around block variables, I have read many of the tutorials, but they all seems lacking in some element. I just don't understand how the block variable can be called before it is declared. Any help would be much appreciated
<maloik> better start practicing
<maloik> called before it's declared? what makes you think that's the case?
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<TrebleChef> it is my understanding that the block variable is whats between the pipes like |variable|
<maloik> gist an example of code you don't get :-)
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<TrebleChef> well from this "book", http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/book/chapter-3.html near the bootom it has a small stanza with "require 'net/http'" at the top
<maloik> in an example like my_array.each do |block_var|; ... ; end; the block_var is a variable containing one element of your array upon each iteration
<maloik> it's similar to "for each item in my_array..." that you'll find in a lot of other languages
<TrebleChef> right, and that seems to make sense to me, just as in any for each loop
<maloik> well that works in ruby as well, it's just not used a whole lot
<TrebleChef> I get your example maloik, I just don't get the one on the page ii referenced
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: https://eval.in/239838
<TrebleChef> yes, that is what I am used to.
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<maloik> oh I completely missed your link
<TrebleChef> hehe
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: the second example should explain what's happening
<TrebleChef> the block variable is |http| and if you change it, the entire thing breaks, which means it is referencing the "http" below it... not above
<TrebleChef> this is where my head asplodes
<ljarvis> no
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: that http variable is not the same one as below
<ljarvis> wait, i thought you meant outside the block
<TrebleChef> then how come if I change it, the code breaks? in any foreach loop, the name shouldn't matter
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: does my second example not make sense?
<maloik> TrebleChef: did you change the name of the variable as well as the place the variable is being used in the line underneath it?
<TrebleChef> yes, the link you posted at eval.in makes sense... I get it in when used as a foreach
<TrebleChef> yes, if I change it in BOTH places it works..
<ljarvis> right... the second example
<ljarvis> the one that actually explains how it works
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<TrebleChef> so, my lack of understanding is, apparently http is set equal to "print( http.get( '/en/about/license.txt' ).body )" after I have declared it in |http|
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<maloik> no, not at all
<TrebleChef> but ina foreach loop, its assigned it 1 at a time first...
<ljarvis> no
<ljarvis> my second example really clears this up...
<maloik> forget the each loop for a minute, take a good look at that other example
<TrebleChef> https://eval.in/239838 this one right?
<ljarvis> 'http' is whatever the Net::HTTP.start method has yielded
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: correct
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<TrebleChef> that's where I am confused, how can it be what it has yielded, before it has yeiled it.. sorry for being so dense
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: using some similar terminology https://eval.in/239839
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: the `do |...| ..` stuff is a block, something that is technically owned by the method. So the method can call it, with any variables it likes
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<ljarvis> so in my example, 'http' is the value on line 10 (an instance of HTTP). It's only available during this block
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<ljarvis> you can name it whatever you want. In this case, we've named this value 'http'
<TrebleChef> "you can name it whatever you want"..... well if I rename it from |http| to |dog| it does not work...
<TrebleChef> so where is the hook link between the word http and what it is referencing on line 10?
<ljarvis> sure it does, you just need to update your references to use the 'dog' variable, and not the non-existant 'http' variable
<TrebleChef> there is something fundamental I am missing..
<TrebleChef> refernces on line 10?
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: that value is being assigned to 'http' implicitly
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<ljarvis> TrebleChef: https://eval.in/239843
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<ljarvis> TrebleChef: we getting anywhere?
<TrebleChef> so sometimes bloack variables are the iterative individual elements like in a typically for-each loop (to me this is most intuitive). Other times, like in your example it wiil be the output or product on a stanza of code (this is where I struggle)... But I think I am getting it.
<[spoiler]> also make sure you check for the existence of a block in case your method modifies things *before* block is passed.
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: do you use any other languages?
<TrebleChef> powershell...
<[spoiler]> erm
<ljarvis> meh, yield raises an error itself
<[spoiler]> before control is passed*, sorry
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: just powershell?
<TrebleChef> yea...
<[spoiler]> yeah but if your `puts "called run()"` was something that modified stuff on the fs, or otherwise, it wouldn't be pleasant
<TrebleChef> I think I am struggling with the versatility of ruby, perhaps...
<ljarvis> TrebleChef: do you know of the concept of passing functions as arguments?
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<TrebleChef> loosely...
<ljarvis> ok we won't go down that road as it might get more confusing
<TrebleChef> I really appreciate all the help
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<TrebleChef> so the move data between pipes in pwoershell we use the "$_" which is whatever the last bit of code yeilded
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<TrebleChef> its starting to seem to me like in ruby, you can name it whatever you like, such as, |whatever| , where whatever is either the individual iterative element, or the product of the previous piece bit of code. In the manner you can use additional code in some manner.
<ljarvis> yeah that's unfortunately unrelated. Does this javascript code make sense? https://eval.in/239859
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<TrebleChef> yes
<ljarvis> ok so, this is possible because javascript has first class functions. In this case, 'x' is a function. Ruby does not, so it gets around that with a new syntax for passing blocks to methods. The same code in Ruby is https://eval.in/239860
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<ljarvis> so, instead of passing a method as an argument and then calling it in "do_x", we use a block. We then call that block with the yield keyword, passing the argument "foo"
<TrebleChef> okay, this is what I was looking for. I need to digest.
<ljarvis> and here it is in some weird ruby/js pseudo-code https://eval.in/239861
<ljarvis> take your time
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<TrebleChef> i cant believe i found someone able to understand that i didn't want to know what to do, but why I was doing it...
<TrebleChef> its starting to sink in
<workmad3> you can also pass lambdas and procs to methods in ruby (and also request a Method object and pass that)... leading to this code that is closer to the JS example ljarvis gave, but not particularly idiomatic ruby most of the time: https://gist.github.com/workmad3/c182ef09b3059bae72de
<ljarvis> dude
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<ljarvis> i was specifically trying to avoid talking about procs and lambdas :)
<[spoiler]> lambda and Proc might be overkill for now, let's stick to blocks. :-)
<TrebleChef> hahaha, yes
<workmad3> heh :) ok
* maloik gets out the mop to clean up bits of brain
<workmad3> ljarvis: I stopped short of &proc ;)
<TrebleChef> oh shit, using the keywords you gave me i found this http://www.sitepoint.com/functional-programming-techniques-with-ruby-part-ii/
<ljarvis> that was actually my next entry (capturing the block)
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<TrebleChef> next time you see someone like me here, try sending them to what i just linked. it explains what you just did, and you might save some keystrokes.
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<workmad3> TrebleChef: my experience with explaining blocks/procs/lambdas to newcomers to ruby is that explanations need to change quite a bit depending on which bit of common reference you can find with the newcomer :)
<[spoiler]> `Any return statements used in a Proc will also return from the method that called that Proc.` doesn't this throw a local jump error instead?
<[spoiler]> well raise
<TrebleChef> also, i just realized because i work with powershell, which DOES use first class functions it was making this harder to learn
<workmad3> [spoiler]: depends on whether that context has finished or not
<ljarvis> yeah more languages are less like ruby with this stuff
<ljarvis> then lets discuss returning and arguments in lambdas vs procs
<workmad3> [spoiler]: https://eval.in/239864
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<TrebleChef> no offense, but i do find that to be very useful in powershell.
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<ljarvis> TrebleChef: first class functions are great, i'd love ruby to sack off optional parenthesis and support them myself
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<[spoiler]> workmad3: oh that is a bit strange; didn't know it behaved like that
<[spoiler]> oh actually I guess it makes sense
<[spoiler]> lol, but it's still weird :/
<workmad3> [spoiler]: basically, return behaviour in a proc/block is intended to make something like this work 'as expected': https://eval.in/239871
<workmad3> [spoiler]: e.g. returning the value you want from an iteration
<ljarvis> i wish the eval.in website didn't look like shit
<[spoiler]> this makes more sense in the context of a proc https://eval.in/239875
<[spoiler]> ljarvis: agreed :P
<workmad3> [spoiler]: ok... now modify it to return -1 if nothing is found ;)
<[spoiler]> also, if you desperately want a return just use a lambda
<workmad3> [spoiler]: or otherwise execute some code after the find, only if nothing was found
<[spoiler]> yeah
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<workmad3> [spoiler]: tbh, I can't recall ever making any use of that behaviour in blocks/procs explicitly, mainly because Enumerable is so good in ruby
<workmad3> [spoiler]: and due to the habit in ruby of avoiding explicit returns :)
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<workmad3> [spoiler]: but afaik, the rationale for that behaviour in procs/blocks is so that constructs like .each behave more like a normal for loop
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<[spoiler]> Oh right. I get the reasoning behind it. I still find it awkward to use, personally
<maloik> sorry to be putting this here people, but #ror is being its usual helpful self... we have a view that takes forever to render, what tools can you recommend to profile the page and benchmark any possible fixes?
<brocktimus> maloik: stackprof if you're on MRI >= 2.1
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<[spoiler]> maloik: forever or just long?
<maloik> alright let's see what that gives me
<maloik> long :-)
<maloik> let's give these a go
<ljarvis> ^
<maloik> semi-related: I honestly can't remember the last time #ror has given me any meaningful help :(
<ljarvis> we use peek
<ljarvis> which uses a few tools
<maloik> you mean these projects? https://github.com/peek
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<ljarvis> yep
<yorickpeterse> I never had much success with stackprof and the newer MRI 2.1 tools
<ljarvis> they're pretty good
<yorickpeterse> e.g. stackprof would show the weirdest lines as being slow, when that was not the case
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<[spoiler]> aw I used peek, peek is cute
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<maloik> I really hope this view isn't just death by 1000 papercuts, and that I manage to spot a couple falling pianos as well
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<yorickpeterse> It's Rails, probably somebody is querying half the database in a view
<yorickpeterse> only to then use a single field
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<maloik> that's not it actually, the query is like 120ms or so
<maloik> the views take 19k ms
<maloik> well 13k by now... ish
<maloik> came from even more than that
<[spoiler]> Raisl: "Hello database. Yes, this is Rails, no it's-- oh you want a password? Yeah, sure. *tells the password* So um, I need something, but I don't remember where I put it, can you SELECT * FROM everywhere? Thaaaaankies! ~"
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<maloik> :D
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<maloik> ljarvis: seems peek doesn't really let you drill down a whole lot
<maloik> also, the mounted engine doesn't seem to work :(
<maloik> the route you install
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<ljarvis> tbh we did have to mess around with it quite a bit
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<maloik> it's mostly the drilling down that I need sadly
<maloik> like... it's pretty obvious that this specific partial is slow :D I need to know where it's coming from
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<DefV> maloik: if you find a good solution, let me know
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<DefV> so far my solution has always been putting <%= benchmark do %> blocks in my partial
<DefV> sectioning out
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<DefV> but, do enable GC logging
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<DefV> if you have a large view or a lot of partials GC may be a serious percentage of your request
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<yorickpeterse> MONGOID TO POSTGRES: FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY
<yorickpeterse> DO YOU DEFINE METHODS SUCH AS "FROM" ON YOUR MODELS? WELL SCREW YOU, THAT WON'T WORK ANYMORE
<yorickpeterse> ugh
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<apeiros_> interference with ORM methods?
<yorickpeterse> Yes, AR defines "from" as well
<yorickpeterse> (it's a class method in both cases)
<ljarvis> dont even mention your orm unless you're gonna show it to us apeiros_!
<apeiros_> ljarvis: you already mentioned it for me :)
<apeiros_> but namespace poisoning is a problem
<ljarvis> marketing 101
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<apeiros_> (not just for orms)
<yorickpeterse> there's this wonderful thing called "mirrors", but hardly anybody uses them
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<yorickpeterse> e.g. we have them in Rbx to fix cases like people overwriting random Array methods and expecting things to "just" work
<apeiros_> mind to explain how those work?
<yorickpeterse> In a nutshell: you have a String and a StringMirror
<yorickpeterse> The StringMirror defines whatever internals you need
<yorickpeterse> You then basically do something like StringMirror.new(my_string).some_method_people_mess_with
<apeiros_> I see
<apeiros_> the pattern I wish for inspection in ruby (so it could e.g. also work with BasicObject)
<yorickpeterse> It's a bit trickier for public APIs since you'd have to fetch the mirror every time you want to use an object
<yorickpeterse> e.g. for an ORM you'd have to first get a mirror for your model, then use that
<yorickpeterse> Granted in this case "from" was a stupid name anyway
<yorickpeterse> rarely used too by the looks of it
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<[spoiler]> Mirror, mirror, which is the prettiest method of them all?
<[spoiler]> Sorry for being so srandom today.
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<nofxx> Woa, what kinda of sourcery is this? ?\C-c , ?\M-c ?\(\w) returns the letter too
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<nofxx> only for keyboard stuff? Control Meta ?
<drbrain> nofxx: yep
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<nofxx> drbrain, hehe all letters works, like ?\a -> 'a' , but ?\x -> invalid hex escape
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<nofxx> >> \?C-c
<eval-in__> nofxx => /tmp/execpad-f9622cde26c9/source-f9622cde26c9:2: syntax error, unexpected $undefined ... (https://eval.in/239961)
<nofxx> >> ?\C-c
<eval-in__> nofxx => "\u0003" (https://eval.in/239962)
<nofxx> >> ?\x
<eval-in__> nofxx => /tmp/execpad-0df086d9d0ef/source-0df086d9d0ef:2: invalid hex escape (https://eval.in/239963)
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<waxjar> cool, didn't know it took those as well
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<nofxx> Is there a name? the why-slash operator ?
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<drbrain> maybe perl has a name for it
<drbrain> I don't recall seeing one
<waxjar> character literals? dunno
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<undead> hi guys
<undead> how to disable https in aws-sdk v2
<undead> maybe someone know
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