apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<zenspider> stupid git question: is it possible to check out a single file at a given hash?
<zenspider> trying to reproduce a build error on nokogiri that only seems to occur with a specific library in homebrew
<womble> zenspider: I'm pretty sure you can. Let me dig into the docs to find the right command...
<womble> I'll recognise it when I see it
<zenspider> I know you can do things like ^ to back up one
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<apeiros_> zenspider: only in a retarded way: git archive --format=tar -- yoursinglefile | <untar>
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<zenspider> hahaha
<womble> zenspider: git-cat-file
<apeiros_> womble: that's an additional executable, not part of git, right?
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<womble> apeiros: No, it's "Part of the git(1) suite"
<womble> It might be relatively new, though -- I don't know when it was introduced
<womble> Also, convincing it to dump one file out of a tree is a bit convoluted, from memory
<apeiros_> ah, no, I just tried to summon the help for it in the wrong way :)
<womble> But I'm about 99% sure I've used it to do exactly what I think zenspider needs
<womble> "Show me the contents of file X as at tree <sha>"
<apeiros_> well, I usually want dirs, not single files.
<zenspider> I have it
<apeiros_> or can cat do that too?
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<momomomomo> #git
<womble> apeiros_: I don't think it does dirs
<zenspider> #nokogiri :P
<womble> momomomomo: Apologies for getting in the way of your active Ruby-related discussions
<apeiros_> I like git. but its UI… meh
<womble> apeiros_: It's revision control for kernel hackers, by kernel hackers.
<momomomomo> womble: thank you
<zenspider> apeiros: yup. same boat
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<apeiros_> womble: indeed. for better and worse.
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<womble> For anyone who comes across this discussion later, the magic incarnation is git cat-file -p <sha>:<file path>
<womble> Where <sha> can be any tree-ish (ie a tree hash or a commit hash)
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<womble> Or a tag, branch name, what-have-you
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<womble> And we now return you to your regularly-scheduled Ruby discussions.
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<ReinH> zenspider: o/
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<RickHull> womble: quite the incantation
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<womble> RickHull: Just don't say it three times in front of a mirror at midnight.
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<RickHull> suddenly cats!
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<abder> I'm trying to install "rmagick". When I did the following: > gem install rmagick I got the following: ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'rmagick' (>= 0), here is why: Unable to download data from https://rubygems.org/ - SSL_connect retur ned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed ( https://api.rubygems.org/latest_specs.4.8.gz) How can I fix this issue? Thanks.
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<womble> abder: You probably need to install a set of root certificates.
<womble> Unless your clock is *waaaaaay* skewed.
<abder> womblw: can you kindly clarify that point? Sorry, I;m kind of new to that
<womble> abder: If your system's clock is incorrect (by *months*, in this case) it won't accept the server certificate because it's only valid from October 2014 to October 2015.
<womble> More likely, your machine doesn't have an appropriate set of "root certificates", which are the SSL certificates which are considered OK to sign server certificates. How you install those depends on your OS
<womble> On Debian/Ubuntu, `apt-get install ca-certificates` will do the trick.
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<abder> do you know how this can be made on window 8.1?
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<RickHull> format c: *runs*
<RickHull> sorry, bad joke. your certs *should* be up to date then
<abder> :-)
<abder> Yes, the issue is how to update that
<womble> abder: I have no idea whatsoever. The last version of Windows I did anything useful with was Windows 3.1.
<RickHull> only 5 years ago, come on!
<womble> It feels like it was so much longer...
<RickHull> i say down with the low natural number tyranny. there is no shame in installing Fedora 37
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<hahuang61> :q
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<ljarvis> tehe
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<tobiasvl> top o' the mornin' to you yorickpeterse
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<rbowlby> can ask a stupid question about monkey patching?
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<rbowlby> is there anyway to patch outside of the directly requiring class?
<tobiasvl> you can ask anything you want
<rbowlby> monkey patch*
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<rbowlby> there's a gem that's being called by a gem I am using
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<rbowlby> I would like to monkey patch the gem that the gem I am using is calling
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<rbowlby> say I'm doing someclassA.new and in that class it is requiring and instantiating someclassB from elsewhere. Is there a way for me to monkey patch that someclassB outside of the someclassA
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<apeiros__> rbowlby: classes in ruby are open. you can add methods to an existing class wherever you want
<apeiros__> note that you should generally not do that, and if you do that, you'd better know what you're doing.
<apeiros__> a better approach - if you use a modern ruby - is to use refinements.
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<rbowlby> I'm waiting on a PR. :(
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<whitequark> apeiros_: have you debugged code heavy on refinements?
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<apeiros_> whitequark: not yet. my new framework uses them. but I'm not yet a fan as it's difficult to compose refinements.
<whitequark> they why do you recommend them?..
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<apeiros_> why would I not recommend them?
<apeiros_> they're ruby's solution to local monkey patches. and until I have reason not to recommend them, I see no reason not to.
<yorickpeterse> wait wait wait
<yorickpeterse> somebody is actually using refinements?
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<zkkk> Hey guys, good morning. I'm getting an error when trying to start my service. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/190f91199b5d7bcba361 Not sure what am I'm missing here. What should I check?
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<ljarvis> zkkk: do you have a config.ru file?
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<yorickpeterse> Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day
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<yorickpeterse> Give a man an HTTP webservice and he'll send fucked up XML for years on end
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<zkkk> ljarvis yup, Want me to paste here?
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<ljarvis> zkkk: I'd set the path explicitly when you run unicorn
<zkkk> Let me give it a try
<zkkk> ljarvis, should I point to unicorn.rb or to config.ru?
<zkkk> when I run the command
<zkkk> ljarvis "unicorn_rails master -c /home/app/adsgold/config/unicorn.rb -D -E production"
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<zkkk> ljarvis unicorn_rails master -c /home/app/adsgold/config.ru -D -E production
<zkkk> either one returned the same error =/
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<ljarvis> zkkk: right, what did you set as working_directory though?
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<ljarvis> ie I think when your app starts it's maybe in the wrong directory so ./config.ru isn't picked up
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<zkkk> My working directory is in /home/app/adsgold and config.ru is there to be picked.
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<zkkk> ljarvis so I run the unicorn_rails ... in that directory
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<ljarvis> zkkk: then im not sure, sorry
<ljarvis> zkkk: maybe try #ror
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<zkkk> Oh, thanks. Will check with the guys.
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<ruby_n00b> Hi guys!
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<ruby_n00b> Can somebody help me with this? https://gist.github.com/cyniclimbu/99c01aa3c2b29239be50
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<ljarvis> ruby_n00b: im pretty sure you're missing some code
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<ljarvis> i.e what do you do with those threads?
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<ljarvis> what does the main thread do?
<ruby_n00b> Well I'm trying to make a loading screen.
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<ruby_n00b> One thread would be printing the loading animation 1..100 % while the other will install needed stuff like file, folders
<ljarvis> why not do the work in a thread and use the main thread to display loading information?
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<ljarvis> ignore me
<ruby_n00b> Sure, Although I think I tried many things but I'll try and get back to you.
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<ruby_n00b> Still waiting...
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<ljarvis> ruby_n00b: something like https://gist.github.com/leejarvis/7f72ee002bae5af63a75 might work
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<ljarvis> i.e run the loading thread until the worker is finished
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<ruby_n00b> Thanks, although I'm new to threading I appreciate it.
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<ljarvis> ruby_n00b: as i mentioned though, you only need to do the "worker" in the background, you can block the main thread unless you want it to do anything else
<ddd> ruby_n00b: can I suggest The dRuby Book as well? (Along with http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_Programming/Standard_Library/DRb and http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.5/libdoc/drb/rdoc/) The book was my main push to you, but since you said you were new to threading thought I'd push the other urls too :)
<ljarvis> this will start your worker on line 3, and start the loading on line 11, until the worker is complete
<ljarvis> the loading loop will block the main thread
<ddd> dRuby (drb) is part of the standard library, but the book is worth the time reading :) # just a friendly suggestion for getting up to speed
<ruby_n00b> Thanks.
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<ddd> np
<ddd> someone pointed me to it when I was dickin around with stuff like that, figured i'd pass it forward
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<ljarvis> im so confused about how druby helps here
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<ddd> ljarvis: drb is distributed ruby. its part of the standard lib now. seki wrote it orignally. he wrote a book on it called The dRuby book
<ddd> ohhh I see. totally my fuckup here
<ljarvis> I know what it is
<ljarvis> lol
<ddd> reread the convo, and I thought he said he was using drb
<ddd> god i feel like an idiot. lol. ignore me
<ljarvis> he wanted to learn how to ride a bike, you gave him a boeing 747 manual
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<ljarvis> :D
<ddd> yeah, i see what happened. totally sorry you two. i absolutely misread
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<ruby_n00b> lol I'm still trying to figure this out
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<ljarvis> what part?
<ruby_n00b> This drb thing
<ljarvis> yeah ignore that, ddd wrote it by accident
<ljarvis> i wouldn't look at that just yet
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<ddd> ruby_n00b: yeah ignore everything i said. i misread what you were using and chimed in. my apologies
<ruby_n00b> Do you have any good tutorials on threads or would you just go with what google gives?
<ljarvis> drb is cool, so just remember it for another day :P
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<ljarvis> this basically explains it
<ruby_n00b> *bookmarked*
<ljarvis> and the code I threw up on gist should be quite self explanatory
<ljarvis> happy to explain parts of it that might be confusing
<ruby_n00b> This is for version 2.1.4 right? Mine is ruby 2.0.0p598 btw
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<ljarvis> ruby_n00b: that's fine
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<ruby_n00b> Okay I'll be off for now. Bye
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<lapide_viridi> Erm, does one play sudoku with digits from one to nine, or with zero included?
<symm-> 1 to 9
<lapide_viridi> Oh
<lapide_viridi> Darn, that's not good.
<symm-> there are 9 cells in all, so 1-9 makes most sense
<lapide_viridi> Not if 10 was a cubic number.
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<lapide_viridi> Trying to learn Ruby, along with more problem solving math, the hard way.
<symm-> very nice
<symm-> what's the hard way?
<lapide_viridi> Telling myself that I should do this sudoku solver, without ever having played sudoku.
<lapide_viridi> Also, not very familiar with programming yet, so I need to find out the things I need to know.
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<symm-> ah, right
<symm-> also a good idea is to program something you're familiar with and like
<lapide_viridi> Ain't much of that, dude. Not as far I I know or can fin, anyway.
<lapide_viridi> I choose this language as I found it appealing and somewhat more readable than others.
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<lapide_viridi> The only real application it has is Rails, isn't it?
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<wnd> For what it's worth, I hated oo languages until I started a job at a Ruby house. We do use Rails for frontend, but luckily the backend I'm working with is free of that abomination.
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<symm-> yes, Ruby is appealing
<symm-> Matz made it for the express purpose of being pleasant to program in
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<lapide_viridi> oo languages?
<shawnacscott> object orienteed
<symm-> object-oriented
<lapide_viridi> Oh, right.
<lapide_viridi> It is pleasant to program in. But I'm starting to wounder what I should do with it.
<wnd> To me, the best part of Ruby is that it works the way I expect it to work. Also, things are called what I expect them to be called. Ruby is intuitive.
<lapide_viridi> Good argument.
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<lapide_viridi> As far as I know, I could have struggled with another language and still gotten more or less the same result.
<wnd> I tried to use Python before Ruby but I really couldn't stand it. I only used it because Python support on Maemo 4 was superior to that of Ruby.
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<lapide_viridi> I guess one can do much of the same in Ruby that one can with Python?
<lapide_viridi> Also, why should one not like oo-languages? Just askin'
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* symm- can't give a decent answer
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<symm-> to my understanding, some people feel that programming should be procedural
<symm-> which means "do an action to <this thing>"
<lapide_viridi> Think I get it. OO programming kinda lives its own life, right?
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<symm-> as opposed to "sending the object a command"
<symm-> "hey <this thing>, do this action to yourself"
<yorickpeterse> You won't find a language more dynamic (= easy to abuse) as Ruby
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* symm- coughs*lisp*
<yorickpeterse> Lisp requires eye insurance
<oleo> lol
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<ljarvis> if an encoder encodes and a decoder decodes, would could I name something that does them both?
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<wnd> ever heard of codec?-)
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<ljarvis> d'oh
<ljarvis> i knew i was missing something obvious
<symm-> lol
<ljarvis> ta
<ljarvis> naming stuff is my least fav thing to do
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<yorickpeterse> ActiveEncoding::EncoderDecoder
<ljarvis> ActiveCodec
<yorickpeterse> ActiveCodec::Base
<yorickpeterse> :D
<symm-> a bit like Art Vandelay
<symm-> Importer/Exporter
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<wnd> As for disliking oo, well, I used to write (and like) a lot of C and some assembler. Also, my first OO language was Java back in 1999. I can't say I enjoyed it.
<lapide_viridi> yorickpeterse, how does one abuse a language?
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<yorickpeterse> >> class TrueClass; def ==(other); false; end; end; true == rue
<eval-in__> yorickpeterse => undefined local variable or method `rue' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/231289)
<yorickpeterse> err
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<yorickpeterse> >> class TrueClass; def ==(other); false; end; end; true == true
<eval-in__> yorickpeterse => false (https://eval.in/231290)
<wnd> at first I couldn't wrap my head around OO/Java. Everything felt awfully limited and awkward.
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<wnd> I suppose things would have been easier if I had followed well established patterns and such...
<yorickpeterse> lapide_viridi: basically whatever you can think of, you can probably do it in Ruby
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<lapide_viridi> Isn't that positive?
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<wnd> it opens a path to a whole new world of untraceable code :-)
<wnd> (says someone who used to use Perl as his main scripting language before discovering Ruby)
<yorickpeterse> lapide_viridi: Yes
<lapide_viridi> Alright! Gotta try something...
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<lapide_viridi> Liars
<yorickpeterse> hm?
<lapide_viridi> I got a syntax error when writing "Ruby, go make me a sandwich!".
<lapide_viridi> Explain yourselves, because I shall starve now.
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<yorickpeterse> >> "Ruby, go make me a sandwich!"
<eval-in__> yorickpeterse => "Ruby, go make me a sandwich!" (https://eval.in/231297)
<yorickpeterse> works fine
<symm-> did you forget sudo
<yorickpeterse> :P
<lapide_viridi> Something is clearly wrong with your code.
<lapide_viridi> I should return "Sandwich".
<lapide_viridi> *it
<symm-> >> "Ruby, make me a sandwich".split(' ').last
<eval-in__> symm- => "sandwich" (https://eval.in/231298)
<yorickpeterse> >> %w{Ruby go make me a sandwich!}.each { |name| define_method(name) { |*| self } }; Ruby go make me a sandwich!
<eval-in__> yorickpeterse => main (https://eval.in/231299)
<yorickpeterse> well, you can do that in a more lazy way too
<symm-> haha
<symm-> nice
<yorickpeterse> >> def method_missing(*); self; end; Ruby go make me a sandwich!
<eval-in__> yorickpeterse => main (https://eval.in/231300)
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<withoutnick> Hey guys, could you recommend me some good dbal / orm that doesn't require rails?
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<pipework> activerecord
<pipework> sequel
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<withoutnick> thanks
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