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ironcamel: and probably all those people who used perl for their apps which can be exploited are to be blamed too.
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like the bugzilla team
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the CGI list behavior is just broken :)
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i couldn't watch it long enough to get to the CGI part. the CGI module is frowned upon by the perl community. almost no one uses it anymore.
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ironcamel: right ;)
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ironcamel: and DBI is probably also an unused module.
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you should at least watch until he comes to the CGI and DBI examples to judge the talk.
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and probably people write new scripts based on CGI.pm every day
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when a speaker begins his talk with "fuck perl", i have no desire to listen to much of what he has to say
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yeah, there are a lot of incompetent programmers
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no competent perl programmer would start a new project using CGI.pm
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but blame the user of the language instead of fixing it. :)
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it's no longer in the core
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ah well. since this year ;)
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if you dont want to learn from the video fine by me. :)
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morning
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Fun problem of the day: we have a "connection" relation
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and AR <= 4.2 defines its own "connection" method
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which delegates to class.connection
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which then fucks up everything
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which has been deprecated but not removed yet :<
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Ohai yorickpeterse
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hai
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Guys do you know of a way to stop `ruby ./minirake` inside of mruby from building all those additional binaries (like mirb, etc). Some of them fail because they try to link against i686 libs which aren't installed :/
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And it's a x86_68 system, I'm cross-building for 32bit
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actually mayve there's a clue inside of minirake
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Hmph. My rails app on 2.2 is consuming twice as much memory as on 2.1. That's not normal...right?
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ddfreyne >
Is there a Ruby 2.0 end-of-life date?
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jds: one would assume not
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Renewing SSL certificates: attempt #2
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already fucked up the first time by adding a challenge to the CSR
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yorickpeterse >
which AWS doesn't support
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I concur
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yorickpeterse >
There, SSL done
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yorickpeterse >
That only took well over an hour
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jds >
Can I find a list of objects that reference a given object?
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jds >
For GC-debugging purposes?
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jds: You can do it the other way around: find whatever an object references
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yorickpeterse >
require 'objspace'; ObjectSpace.reachable_objects_from(some_object)
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jds >
I'll give it a try, thanks
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yorickpeterse >
well
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yorickpeterse >
I am the only one left at the office
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yorickpeterse >
I guess I gotta tape people's mouses now
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yorickpeterse >
or fart on their chairs
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red_menace >
yorickpeterse: massive quantities of foam peanuts and creative rearranging of the office partitions are also good
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headius >
may be of interest
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lapide_viridi >
yorickpeterse, you once told me you used an IRC client with a detachable frontend. Was that perhaps Smuxi?
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lapide_viridi >
Or anyone else, for that matter. Can you recommend it? Hexchat works, but I don't like the looks of it. Also, I'd like to try a detachable one.
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|jemc| >
lapide_viridi: I believe yorickpeterse uses weechat (as do I)
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|jemc| >
I use dtach to detach from it
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|jemc| >
I think he might use tmux
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lapide_viridi >
Perhaps true. We had a discussion on it a few weeks back.
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lapide_viridi >
I just tried Pidgin, so I could add Facebook. The result was not very satisfying.
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|jemc| >
weechat is nice, if you want an in-terminal IRC client
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surrounder >
android client through weechat-proxy is awesome too
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waxjar >
do you mean znc lapide_viridi?
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lapide_viridi >
waxjar, znc?
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surrounder >
especially since you can easily tunnel through ssh
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|jemc| >
I use a docker container of weechat run on a VPS
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waxjar >
lapide_viridi: it's sort of an irc proxy, you connect to it from your normal client but it keeps the connection open for you
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surrounder >
waxjar: weechat can do that too, somewhat
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surrounder >
at least that's how the android client works
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lapide_viridi >
In terminal sounds like a bit of fun. I'm gonna look at it, but I don't think I'll take that one for now.
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lapide_viridi >
surrounder, don't tell me you use IRC on your phone.
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TheMoonMaster >
znc is great
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surrounder >
sometimes, when I had to use (irssi)connect bot it was a little annoying but with the weechat-client it's quite comfy when I'm bored somewhere
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TheMoonMaster >
Much better than using SSH to get to your client
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surrounder >
indeed
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headius >
lapide_viridi: I use znc on an EC2 micro as my bounce, and then any client works
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headius >
costs me like $4 a month to run that instance
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headius >
also use it for proxying connections on occasion
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lapide_viridi >
Until now, my setup has been HexChat in my Google Drive folder.
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lapide_viridi >
Guess it works, but I like to challenge myself with something new, although I don't like new stuff.
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surrounder >
it's nicer to have it running somewhere all the time imho
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headius >
yeah for sure
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headius >
I get all offline messages when I connect back in, and I'm just using a boring OS X GUI client
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headius >
works great
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surrounder >
aye, znc is nice
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lapide_viridi >
That's what I figured too.
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lapide_viridi >
But I don't think I'll kill myself with something advanced quite yet.
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surrounder >
don't use it anymore because the weechat proxy is good enough for me now but I used it quite some while when I was experimenting with clients
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surrounder >
lapide_viridi: well if you can manage in a terminal somewhat something like irssi or weechat isn't that hard really
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waxjar >
the nice thing about znc (and probably other irc bouncers) is that you can connect to the same session from multiple places
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waxjar >
no more lapide_viridi____ :P
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lapide_viridi >
Smuxi also lets me send messages trough Facebook, which can be handy sometimes. At least, that is my hypothesis.
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lapide_viridi >
surrounder, fraks to it, I need a link.
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surrounder >
to what exactly ?
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lapide_viridi >
Weechat and dtach it was?
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lapide_viridi >
Or znc?
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lapide_viridi >
surrounder, the thing you recommended
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surrounder >
I personally use weechat, tmux (when I'm behind a keyboard) and weechat-proxy and a tunnel from my android phone
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surrounder >
weechat and the proxy run on a vps
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surrounder >
within tmux
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lapide_viridi >
Weechat, I'll add it to my bookmarks for future reference.
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lapide_viridi >
Yup, thanks.
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|jemc| >
(if you don't mind using docker)
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lapide_viridi: screen/tmux to attack and dettach (I have no experience with dtach)
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surrounder >
lol, *attach
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lapide_viridi >
Everything must be more elegant that getting a package from portableapps.com and slapping it in my Google Drive.
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waxjar >
surrounder: is weechat-proxy a standalone program?
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surrounder >
no, it's part of weechat
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and the client on the phone can tunnel through ssh so quite secure
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Next problem will be convincing the IT-folks at school to let me use it.
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They know me quite well already.
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you might be able to run it over port 80 lapide_viridi :p
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waxjar, haha
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lapide_viridi: why? run it on a machine elsewhere and tunnel
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lapide_viridi: znc was super easy to set up
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School formed a special IT-class in collaboration with the local firms, who wanted to play a bigger role in hour education.
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Bottom line: The IT-folks did not want to give us admin rights, which are quite necessary.
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Just opening port 80 for some collaboration on WordPress was a spectacle from another world.
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Oh, that app looked quite nice! Too bad I will never use that on my phone. Tables perhaps.
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*tablets
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lapide_viridi: works great on a tablet too :)
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SSH-tunnel looks great!
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I already convinced them to get me Putty for the Raspberry Pis we got.
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nice :)
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Also, it might add up perfectly with my master plan.
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I'm sick and tired of the local firms taking initiative, but the schools IT-team opposing the entire idea. SO from now on, I run Ubuntu from a flash drive.
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always an option indeed
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lapide_viridi: JFYI: putty can do port forwardings too
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lapide_viridi: and juicessh for android is nice
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I've read Aimonetti's intro, but... ME WANTS MORE
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darix, what do you mean? Can Putty open up a port, or be used trough port forwarding? Or something in that manner?
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lapide_viridi: yes
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lapide_viridi: Putty's main feature is that it opens ports. :p But yes, you can bind ports with putty.
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port forwarding and other fun port binding stuff.
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Well, that certainly is the first web dev I've hear of, who hasn't done any port forwarding before.
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Article was great though, so thanks.
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So, basically yhis would enable me to tunnel IRC (if it were blocked) trough and SSL connection.
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lapide_viridi: through ssh
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lapide_viridi: but if you have working ssh
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you could just do screen/tmux + irssi/weechat :)
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Frak, why do I always write SSL?
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Could I use it for something else too? Like browsing webpages which would normally be blocked?
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Say, tunnel port 80 trough the SSH (NAILED IT) server?
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lapide_viridi: sure
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I can use my Raspberry as SSH server. I've got PuTTY setup already.
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lapide_viridi: but i would do a proxy like squid or so on the outside machine
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lapide_viridi: put a small proxy on the rpi
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then configure the local browser to use the forwarded port as proxy
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Practically, what would be the difference?
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lapide_viridi: if you just forward the port for 1 webserver
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you would also need to fake hosts entries to make named virtual hosts work
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but if only 1 app is running on the webserver it would work
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Interesting.
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That would enable me to view blocked websites?
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Now I almost wish the blocking was more strict!
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Too bad the setting for configuring proxy servers is blocked in IE.
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Which, in turn, nobody uses, except for some sorry teachers.
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in schools you would use proxy autoconfiguration
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so the browser loads the config from some central place
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darix, I'm going to do this, just for fun.
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The one thing I don't get is how the pages are blocked/not blocked.
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Is the schools proxy set up to deny certain requests to certain domains?
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Or is the data being checked, so the proxy would need to encrypt it?
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ok good thing is that mruby seems to have a very similar API as ruby does (lol big surprise there)
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