apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<hakunin> wonder if i'm losing it
<hakunin> def foo; true && return(true) end
<hakunin> SyntaxError: unexpected (, expecting keyword_end
<hakunin> why
<hakunin> return with argument can only be at the start of a line? really?
<hakunin> 7 years of ruby…
<hakunin> e.g. this works: def foo; return(true) if true end
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<hakunin> parenth don't matter either: >> def foo; true && return true end
<hakunin> raises SyntaxError: unexpected keyword_true, expecting keyword_end
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<hakunin> yet for some reason this works: >> def foo; true && return end
<hakunin> would be surprised if i stumbled upon a ruby bug
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<|jemc|> this works okay: def foo; true && (return true) end
<|jemc|> hakunin: looks like a bug to me - I'd say file a ticket
<red_menace> looks like maybe just a grouping issue
<|jemc|> I'd expect this to work okay and be unambiguous: def foo; true && return(true); end
<hakunin> first time ever i found a legit bug in ruby
<red_menace> is return even a method?
<hakunin> (well, unless there'a a good explanation why it doesn't)
<hakunin> red_menace: no
<|jemc|> definitely not a method, but the syntax with parens is valid
<red_menace> then it is probably seeing (true && return) (true)
<hakunin> red_menace: return does take arguments however
<hakunin> so lexically it should behave like one
<hakunin> i think the intention was for it to behave like one at least
* |jemc| wonders how jruby handles it
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<|jemc|> rbx fails - which is to be expected because it uses the the grammar.y from MRI
<nofxx_> wmoxam, around?
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<red_menace> it doesn't look like return takes arguments so much as the group after the keyword
<red_menace> the grouping of the operators seems consistent to me
<hakunin> red_menace: hm, i just wonder what the intention is, pols considered
<|jemc|> red_menace: in what other syntax do you ever see a group of expressions separated by commas inside parentheses, though?
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<|jemc|> red_menace: so `return (true)` may make sense in that context but `return (1,2,3)` does not
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<|jemc|> because (1,2,3) doesn't make sense as a "standalone" expression
<hakunin> |jemc|: i believe it doesn't even work with (1,2,3)
<red_menace> return (1,2,3) doesn't work for me
<hakunin> has to be [1,2,3]
<hakunin> wow
<hakunin> so what red_menace says starts to make sense but, while my pols bar is extremely high, it's hitting it hard
<|jemc|> red_menace - my apologies - I thought I remembered that working and didn't actually try it - you are correct
<|jemc|> glad I could ferret out the counter example so quickly though :)
<red_menace> to me, it still looks like it is evaluating the expression to be (true && return)(true)
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<|jemc|> red_menace: yes, I agree now
<|jemc|> and I agree that it's not buggy
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<hakunin> |jemc|: fyi, if you replace && with and, it bumps ruby to view return(…) as one thing
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<venture37> hi
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<venture37> I'm having some issues getting ext/dbm.c building from 1.9 & newer on OS X Tiger PowerPC, though Berkley DB is bundled with Tiger (libdb) both ndbm.h & db.h need to be included hence the test code generated from extconf.rb fails
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<venture37> I tried to edit the headers array in extconf.rb & adding ndbm.h to "db", but it didn't make any difference http://svn.ruby-lang.org/repos/ruby/trunk/ext/dbm/extconf.rb
<venture37> failing with invalid application of 'sizeof' to incomplete type 'conftest_type'
<venture37> If I take the generated code & ammend it manually & run it, it compiles without issue
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<Eising> yorickpeterse: morning, and merry christmas
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<ljarvis> moin
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<yorickpeterse> ho ho ho
<yorickpeterse> I have christmas presents at the office
<yorickpeterse> and a tree
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<tbuehlmann> moin
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<wnd> I think I need to go to our office and loot a working monitor. My primary display is going through rough times and prefers not to switch on. I should've seen this coming as it has shown the symptoms (requiring two presses of the power button, coil whine kind-of-sound while doing so) for some time now. It's probably just a flaky capasitor or such as the thing works flawlessly once you manage to switch it on.
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<rubyguy> How do I create a proxy website (something like this one : https://www.freeyoutubeproxy.org/) using Ruby (with Rails/Sinatra/..) ?
<rubyguy> I just need some pointers.
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<yorickpeterse> rubyguy: you install Squid http://www.squid-cache.org/
<yorickpeterse> :>
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<rubyguy> yorickpeterse: yosquid is a caching proxy, I need to implement a web proxy (Anonymous HTTPS proxy).
<face> you can use cache deny all in squid.conf to disable all caching
<yorickpeterse> rubyguy: it's a proxy
<yorickpeterse> It does both
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<rubyguy> ok, thanks.
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<yorickpeterse> You can write proxies in Ruby (e.g. using EventMachine) but it's not the easiest thing to do
<rubyguy> I found this library in ruby (uses EM) : https://github.com/igrigorik/em-proxy
<rubyguy> Is that something I need to build a web proxy service ?
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<[spoiler]> rubyguy, yes and no. You don't need it, but you could use it.
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<uberjar> can anyone help me with a metaprogramming task ? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/514046b5fffb9476d4ac
<uberjar> TLDR; Object.const_get can't seem to get objects that are nested inside a module.. surely there's a way
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<uberjar> ahh I just figured it out… Instead of Object.const_get I should be using Foo.const_get
<uberjar> although, by the way I do think this violates the "principle of least surprise"
<uberjar> maybe I'll submit a pull request
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<uberjar> def get_whatever(str)
<uberjar> obj = nil; str.split("::").each_with_index { |c, idx| obj = (idx == 0) ? Object.const_get(c) : obj.const_get(c) }; obj
<uberjar> end
<bradland> uberjar: i don’t think const_get understands the namespace specification Foo::Bar
<bradland> Foo exists under Object, because it is a top level object
<uberjar> bradland: yea that was the gist of my question.. I just figured it out
<uberjar> that method ^ is able to resolve it
<uberjar> I recommend one of you put it in a pull request to extend Object or Kernel :)
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<bradland> not sure if serious :)
<nofxx_> wmoxam, around?
<uberjar> lol me neither but it's just crazy enough to work
<uberjar> it'll need a better name though
<bradland> i don’t see that making it in to core
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<uberjar> bradland: why not ? It helps Ruby stop violating the principle of least surprise.. when I ask Object for a particular object I expect to get that object
<uberjar> no matter how deeply nested
<uberjar> *shrug*
<bradland> maybe least surprise for you, but not at all for me
<bradland> i wouldn’t expect the receiver to know about constants defined it its children
<bradland> if i want to know the constants defined in Foo, i’ll specify Foo as the receiver
<uberjar> well I expect my objects to be introspective whenever reasonable.. to be as intelligent as possible at all times
<bradland> they are introspective
<uberjar> then why is it unreasonable to expect an Object to know about it's ancestors ?
<bradland> Object does not about its ancestors
<bradland> sry
<bradland> Object does _know_ about it’s ancestors
<bradland> what you’re saying is that const_get should understand the namespace string specification
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<uberjar> sure why not.. after all isn't that how objects are described in Ruby ?
<uberjar> thats the approprate naming convention
<uberjar> I'm just arguing for Objects to become slightly more intelligent
<bradland> sigh
<uberjar> I have high expectations of them :)
<bradland> that does not make objects more intelligent
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<bradland> read the docs for const_get
<uberjar> you're saying that I shouldn't be able to ask an object for one of it's ancestor objects by name
<bradland> I’m saying that if you know the ancestor, just ask it
<uberjar> lol yea but
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<bradland> but nothing
<uberjar> lol
<bradland> you’re talking about complicating const_get
<bradland> which is part of Module
<bradland> which is at the very core of ruby
<bradland> to what end?
<bradland> so you can type Object.const_get(“Foo::Bar”) instead of Foo.const_get(“Bar”) ?
<bradland> what is the expense involved in making Module#const_get parse namespace strings?
<uberjar> basically one shoudln't umm care where the improvement is in the codebase.. if it's an improvement it's an improvement
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<uberjar> it's not a huge expense it just walks the graph
<uberjar> it's 1 line of code
<uberjar> but it makes the thing "just do what is expected"
<uberjar> if anyone ever hands it that kind of string
<bradland> ok, you go ahead and make that one line change
<bradland> i’ll keep an eye out for the PR
<uberjar> :) right on.. yea it's hard to find a reason where you'd *need it*
<gchristensen> what if Foo is a module and Bar is a class, what is the expected behavior?
<uberjar> but it'd be interesting to see what people think about the PR.. I'll drop the link in here
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<uberjar> then it should return Foo:Bar (the class)
<gchristensen> oof
<uberjar> oh wait.. is a Class an object in Ruby ?
<uberjar> hrmm
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<uberjar> Class.class.class => Class
<uberjar> weird
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<uberjar> I always thought it was Object all the way down *sigh*
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<bradland> i’m not even sure what you’re talking about now
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<yorickpeterse> Class is a class that inherits from Module, which inherits from Object
<bradland> Object > Module > Class
<yorickpeterse> Class.class.class gives you the class of the singleton class of Class
<uberjar> OHhhhh
<yorickpeterse> >> Class.class.class.class.class.class.class.class
<yorickpeterse> ... fkn bot
<uberjar> my bad.. I get it.. then yea absolutely gchristensen, Object.const_get_whatever("Foo:Bar") should return Bar (the class) since Bar the class is an ancestor of Object
<bradland> here let me eval that for you lol
<uberjar> lol
<bradland> uberjar: what version of ruby are you using?
<bradland> because based on what I see here, const_get already understands the namespace specification
<uberjar> bradland: jruby 1.7.13 (1.9.3p392) 2014-06-24 43f133c on Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 1.6.0_65-b14-462-11M4609 [darwin-x86_64]
<bradland> in 2.1.5
<gchristensen> oh wow
<bradland> ok, so MRI ruby already supports what you’re looking for
<uberjar> omg
<uberjar> this is a JRUBY bug ??!!
<uberjar> lol
<gchristensen> also 1.9.3p392
<bradland> i was looking at the docs and the source code, and started scratching my head
<bradland> i’m like, “wait, this actually works”
<uberjar> hahahah
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<uberjar> I'll figure out then if this is supposed to work in the latest jruby (after I install it) then if it is.. I'll submit the PR to jruby core
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<yorickpeterse> uberjar: No, JRuby just doesn't support it yet
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<uberjar> is there something I can use like alias_class_method to you know.. alias a class method ? (I want to monkey-patch this into Jruby)
<uberjar> oh nvm.. alias_method works the syntax is just different.. I need to use class << self to be in the right scope
<uberjar> am I missing something obvious here ? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/91973a05185a0f2bab51 => SystemStackError: stack level too deep
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<venture37> Where can I find build documentation for ruby, I'm having issues getting the dbm extension building on OS X
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<havenwood> venture37: Have you already installed the brew or ports package for gdbm
<havenwood> ?
<pipework> Did you try turning it off and leaving it, taking the kids and the dog, and watching it descend into depression before one final attempt at wrangling control in its life by ending it all? Or just turning it back on again, whatever.
<havenwood> venture37: Here's a list of dependencies by OS: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/wiki/Ruby
<pipework> havenwood: I think I'm far funnier than I actually am. :(
<havenwood> pipework: haha
<havenwood> pipework: :)
<venture37> havenwood: I'm trying to build it via pkgsrc, any reason why gdbm? the source code supposidly supports berkley db from libc through to v5
<havenwood> venture37: ah, interesting. i've only heard rumor of pkgsrc on OS X, never actually seen it
<havenwood> venture37: sorry, no deps for pkgsrc listed
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<venture37> I'm trying to revive the PowerPC support, 1.8 builds fine but 1.9 through to 2.1 are marked broken as the dbm module isn't building
<havenwood> we should fill in the BSDs, maybe i'll get around to doing that soon :)
<havenwood> venture37: ah, neat!
<venture37> the test is kinda broken on Tiger, as it needs to include db.h & ndbm.h
<venture37> the source kinda hints at this but I can't find any documentation on building or expected dependencies
<venture37> API, not a problem :)
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<Con7e> Good evening!
<Con7e> I am at my first ruby lines and I'm having some troubles understanding the "for" in ruby
<Con7e> registry.each do | reg | bla bls
<Con7e> I don't understand what "reg" in between || is
<Con7e> Or, at least, how do I read this conceptually
<pwnz0r> .each is an iterator
<pwnz0r> so you are trying to iterate each object in a registry object
<pwnz0r> and each passes that object in as a parameter to a block
<pwnz0r> |var| var is the parameter and || is where you put the params
<pwnz0r> so in your case reg is a parameter to a block
<pwnz0r> do starts the block
<pwnz0r> end
<pwnz0r> ends it
<Con7e> Uhm
<pwnz0r> confused?
<Con7e> I come from python
<Con7e> I don't feel this way of writing "natural"
<Con7e> Uhm
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<pwnz0r> its a bit wierd at first
<bradland> Con7e: you know how you’d pass a function name to an iterator in python?
<bradland> i’m not a pythonista, but IIRC, iterators usually take a callback function. is that right?
<Con7e> registry.each do | reg | bla bls > for reg in registry: ...code...
<Con7e> That's how I'd write that in python
<bradland> blocks are just anonymouse functions, so when you write `do |arg| foo(arg); end`, you’re just defining a function
<bradland> sory, i don’t know what the pipe is used for in python
<bradland> in the limited amount of python i’ve written, the iterators accepted a callback function
<bradland> the “reg” between the pipes is just an argument
<bradland> take array.each for example
<bradland> it accepts a block with one argument
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<bradland> that argument will be assigned the array element on each iteration
<bradland> does that make sense?
<pipework> Con7e: Have you read any guides or getting started stuff?
<Con7e> I did
<Con7e> But I can't retain sh*t
<Con7e> I need to do some kind of progect
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<pipework> So, the reg is a block variable, and it's the value that the block is yielded from the enumerable when you call #each
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<Con7e> I thought of translating a python one I made
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<bradland> blocks are a really, _really_ important part of writing idiomatic Ruby
<bradland> once you understand how they work though, you’ll see why
<bradland> they’re all over the place in ruby
<pipework> So if you had an array, and you pass a block whose block variable is registry, then `registries.each do |registry|` would be the particular object at that point in enumerating the collection.
<pipework> Con7e: Read the docs for Enumerable.
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<pipework> In ruby we tend not to use `for` because of the leaky scope.
<Con7e> Uhm, I better read more docs before asking
<bradland> Con7e: have you used irb yet?
<bradland> it’s the Ruby REPL
<Con7e> Nope, just editor > interpreter
<bradland> fire up irb and try out some iterators
<bradland> here’s the most basic one i can think of
<pipework> >> %w|hello there Con7e|.each {|word| word.to_sym}
<pipework> >> %w|hello there Con7e|.each {|word| puts word.to_sym.inspect}
<pipework> Damnit botjerk.
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<bradland> pipework: doubt he’ll know the %w construct for arrays yet
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<pipework> bradland: Egh, doesn't matter. It's showing how #each's block works.
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