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<kyak>
xiangfu: hi! what do you mean by "sound problems" in gmu?
<kyak>
i tried with some ogg file, there are no problems whatsoever
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<xiangfu>
kyak, I am use the buildhost image. it give me:
<xiangfu>
audio: Opening audio device...
<xiangfu>
audio: Could not open audio: Couldn't open gmu.bmp
<xiangfu>
audio: Device not opened. Cannot set pause state
<xiangfu>
fileplayer: Couldn't open audio: Couldn't open gmu.bmp
<kyak>
"Could not open audio: Couldn't open gmu.bmp" - makes no sense :)
<kyak>
i'll try the buildhost image.. currently had no problem with my own (which is not different at all, just couple of packages thrown out)
<xiangfu>
kyak, do you think it 's SDL sound problem?
<kyak>
well, you mentioned some problems with mplayer.. so i'm not sure
<kyak>
oh, sorry
<kyak>
you said gmu/alex4/supertux have sound problem
<kyak>
i'll try that later..
<kyak>
i started gmu from command line, not from gmenu2x if that matters
<xiangfu>
I also try gmu from command.
<xiangfu>
kyak, what is the output of alsamixer -Vall?
<xiangfu>
I have 2 'Master' , no 'PCM'
<wej>
it does sound very much like an SDL problem. this "Couldn't open gmu.bmp" is an SDL error message (which indeed does not make any sense)
<wej>
it could be as simple as just a wrong value of an SDL environment variable.
<kyak>
xiangfu: sorry, my Nanonote is left at home, i will tell in several hours
<kyak>
xiangfu: do you have any problems with other sdl apps, like nightsky?
<xiangfu>
kyak, no
<xiangfu>
nightsky works fne
<kyak>
damn, at least someone has sdw-823 working :)
<kyak>
i had no success trying to make it work, despite of the fact that i had tried two such cards
<kyak>
maybe i'll give it another try..
<kyak>
or even better, package atusb kernel module for my laptop, which i wanted to do long ago and throw sdw-823 away
<viric>
we'd have to see if this is more than marketing
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<xiangfu>
kyak: the problem is the buildhost package 'libsdl_1.2.14-2_xburst.ipk'.
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<xiangfu>
kyak, I just remove the dl/SDL-xxx file. and compile it again. seems it works fine now. let's wait the final image. :)
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<mth>
hellekin, viric: it's not as big news as the announcement makes it sound, since the GL implementation runs on the GPU
<mth>
what they released is ARM code to do remote procedure calls into that GL implementation
<hellekin>
thank you for the clarification mth
<mth>
check the comments by Luc Verhaegen
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<mth>
it's a good thing they did release that code, but it's only a small step in terms on openness
<hellekin>
on another topic, wpwrak do you remember the discussion we had in Porto Alegre regarding possible strategies for Qi, and especially Software Defined Radio?
<mth>
s/on/of
<qi-bot>
mth meant: "it's a good thing they did release that code, but it's ofly a small step in terms of openness"
<hellekin>
I'd like to discuss that more, because I'm working on a plan to massively deploy SDR in latin america, with the help of DRM and FNF
<mth>
meh, it doesn't just replace words...
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<hellekin>
yeah, given your regex, it should have replaced only only->ofly ;o)
<whitequark>
mth: it's nothing at all in terms of openness
<whitequark>
that stuff was basically R/E'd already
<whitequark>
it's just no one needed it that much to write a EGL shim on top
<hellekin>
whitequark: openness? Do you mean freedom? When my mouth is open, flies are free to enter it.
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<wpwrak>
(broadcom) still nice :)
<wpwrak>
hellekin: yeah, i roughly remember. i think the main issue is to a) find a viable use case and b) finance the deployment. you may also need to find someone to provide the fixed infrastructure.
<wpwrak>
hellekin: SDR would be a technical choice, not a feature that you use as a differentiator for selling the system, wouldn't it ?
<hellekin>
wpwrak: if the deal is to deploy thousands of SDR devices for bridging the digital divide, and have that devices made in Brazil, I think both (a) and (b) can be covered. You're in Buenos Aires, right?
<hellekin>
I need you to meet Thiago from the Digital Radio Mundial... I can't talk about the general strategy on IRC, but I can invite you to come for dinner at our place and discuss it. Then you can decide whether you want to participate...
<hellekin>
Honestly, I think we are on a solid track :)
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<viric>
From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
<viric>
Well, they are lying to everyone.
<viric>
> Well, they are lying to everyone.
<viric>
> Their "open source" is nothing but a layer of code which calls into a
<viric>
> closed source back-end.
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<viric>
mth: alles klar
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<wpwrak>
hellekin: yes, i'm in BUE. sure, we can discuss it, crazy idea or not ;-)
<hellekin>
crazy enough to work :)
<wpwrak>
viric: lovely. i think we need a new word that combines "open", "closed", and "fraud". maybe "bastard" ?
<hellekin>
wpwrak: open source
<wpwrak>
hellekin: and i'm glad the "DRM" you mentioned isn't the evil one ;-)
<hellekin>
abierto como un culo
<hellekin>
sure ;o)
<wpwrak>
;-)
<hellekin>
we need to reappropriate not only hardware, but also acronyms. :)
<wpwrak>
let's hope it isn't just s??t that comes out ;-)
<mth>
wpwrak: openwashing? (similar to greenwashing)
<hellekin>
mth +!
<hellekin>
+1
<wpwrak>
mth: i think that's already in taken
<wpwrak>
s/in /
<qi-bot>
wpwrak meant: "mth: i think that's already taken"
<hellekin>
s/th/p
<hellekin>
ah doesn't work on others posts :)
<hellekin>
s/th/p
<qi-bot>
hellekin meant: "ah doesn't work on opers posts :)"
<hellekin>
hehehe
* hellekin
end of pause
<wpwrak>
"i pink pat's already taken" ? that's an odd one. is it from the cybernetic lyrics department ?
<hellekin>
cyphernetics pyrics department
<wpwrak>
funny, when you google for "pyrics", nothing immediately identifiable as fire-related shows up
<hellekin>
yeah, Greek is missing from Google Search algorithms
<wpwrak>
hellekin: anyway, when do you propose to meet ?
<wpwrak>
i kinda doubt any language spoken within a few astronomical units from google HQ is missing in their algorithms :) they may just not think it likely that someone from .ar would be interested in results for .gr
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<larsc>
yea, I'm always astonished how different the search results are depending on which google.tld you use
<wpwrak>
or where you are ...
<larsc>
that's not so bad if you search for generic things
<larsc>
if you search for barbershop you'd probably get something close to you
<hellekin>
wpwrak: whenever you want, we're all living under the same roof ;o)
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<whitequark>
hellekin: oh, talking about firefox... I don't understand what do they like so much in the bazaar development model.
<whitequark>
the fact that bugs which bother lots of people can be opened for 12 years?
<whitequark>
objective #0 for a programmer is to produce good software. being an open source project often helps. if objective #0 is not fulfilled, then there is no value in allowing as much people to participate as you want or whatever.
<pcercuei>
it's like objective #1, but for computer guys? ;)
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<hellekin>
pcercuei: lol ; whitequark true, and that model allows marketers to take over and deal with evil corporations like facebook instead of promoting freedom. It's ugly what they're doing
<hellekin>
gotta run... ttyl
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