<kristianpaul> just got some bitbills
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: Tempest for Eliza is a Program that uses your computer monitor to send out AM radio signals. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3afa7c
<Tesseract> Morning everyone
<Tesseract> anyone here?
<kristianpaul> hi
<kristianpaul> evening here 23:55
<Tesseract> hello?
<kristianpaul> hey :)
<Tesseract> finally
<Tesseract> lol
<kristianpaul> ahhh, i knew osgps just work with real data
<kristianpaul> well i wasnt sure at all, but Clifford Kelley just confirmed
<Tesseract> can i get some help? when trying to get ethernet over usb for the nanonote, when i punch in ifconfig usb0, it says device not found
<Tesseract> Not good.
<kyak> ifconfig -a
<kyak> it might be that some udev smartness renamed it to usb1,2.. etc
<Tesseract> it gives the same as before
<Tesseract> eth0, lo and wlan0
<Tesseract> any ideas?
<kyak> when you plug in Ben, do you see it appear in dmesg?
<kyak> also, what does lsusb show?
<Tesseract> Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 006 Device 002: ID 1532:001c Razer USA, Ltd
<Tesseract> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0a5c:2145 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth with Enhanced Data Rate II
<Tesseract> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:2810 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2810
<Tesseract> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1532:010b Razer USA, Ltd
<Tesseract> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
<Tesseract> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 17ef:480c Lenovo
<Tesseract> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
<Tesseract> and whats dmesg?
<kyak> please, use some pastebin service...
<kyak> and try pluggin Ben to some other usb port
<Tesseract> and it appeared for no apparent reason
<Tesseract> wierd
<Tesseract> thankyou
<kyak> after plugin to another port?
<Tesseract> yes
<kyak> remember this port well :)
<Tesseract> must be an internal hub or somthing
<kyak> yeah
<kyak> you might as well document this port in Ethernet over USB wiki page :)
<Tesseract> might aswell, under the Issue heading.
<Tesseract> new problem, on the nanonote: "ipkg update" is trying to get a file that doesn't exist anymore.
<Tesseract> an update will probably fix that though
<Tesseract> flash*
<kyak> flashing to the latest version is always a good idea
<kyak> opgk update should fetch the Package.gz fine in any case.. check the /etc/opkg.conf
<Tesseract> except when your about to break your internet cap >.<
<kyak> how is that?
<Tesseract> I'm located in australia and I have a 40gb on-peak and 40gb off-peak cap
<kyak> ah, fetching an image is a problem? :)
<kyak> the rootfs size when compressed is ~150 Mb
<kyak> that's approximately how much you will need to download
<Tesseract> i'll get up early tomorrow and try and download it in off-peak.
<Tesseract> thanks again for your help
<kyak> np
<kyak> btw, what is your current version? (cat /etc/VERSION)
<Tesseract> 2010-9-14
<kyak> that's so old :)
<Tesseract> nothing but a dictionary, map viewer and terminal
<Tesseract> out of curiosity, what do you guys use the nanonote for?
<kyak> Tesseract: you might want to have a look here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_use_cases
<kyak> and here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications (taking that each Application is a use case)
<qi-bot> [commit] nbd: ath5k: add a missing srev checks for code that lowers the synth voltage - might fix some stability issues (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ff655ea
<qi-bot> [commit] kaloz: [toolchain/gcc]: upgrade the linaro gcc to 2011.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/98d589f
<qi-bot> [commit] kaloz: [target/generic/3.0]: add missing kernel symbols (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7437ee4
<qi-bot> [commit] kaloz: [cns3xxx]: preliminary 3.0 support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5bdb3e2
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/463d311
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/06082c3
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7d51ed2
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bd76150
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/03e88c4
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/93468b3
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/52fee50
<qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/63e49e9
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0c167dc
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c6f46f9
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7bb7d46
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a6a4c8c
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2bbcdc5
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/be5d8ed
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/07798e8
<wpwrak> ah, nothing like a long restful sleep :)
<wpwrak> and now, the mails ...
<wpwrak> grmbl. there's an open source embedded meeting at 9. waay too early
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: are you already back in Buenos Aires?
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: naw, staying in porto alegre until sunday
<wolfspraul> ah nice
<wolfspraul> somehow today it struck me that I need a lot of great online marketing material for the m1 launch, urgh
<wpwrak> did you really think i'd miss out on all the drinking ? :)
<wpwrak> ;-))
<wolfspraul> like some tutorial video, or videos of the box in action in general
<wolfspraul> oh my :-)
<wpwrak> ah, speaking of which, what's the plan for the monthly news ?
<wolfspraul> at least delayed by 10 days or so
<wolfspraul> i'm completely swamped right now
<wpwrak> also some seed videos for viral marketing
<wpwrak> hmm, thinking of it, drunken brazilian girls on rejon's M1 should draw some attention :)
<wolfspraul> I set myself a sales goal for when I would consider copyleft hardware a success today: 1 billion units
<wpwrak> (10 days) good. i can relax then :)
<wolfspraul> not that bad complacency sets in here
<wpwrak> (1 billion) yeah, show those apple dweebs ! :)
<wolfspraul> they will reach it before us, but who cares
<wolfspraul> 1 billion is a good number
<wolfspraul> if we sell less than that, we failed on impact. and free software should be powerful enough to create something useful for 1 billion users. so... that's my goal now. at least it's a precise number :-)
<wpwrak> i need to get rejon to show off his M1. yesterday, he kept it a little secret
<wolfspraul> why that?
<wolfspraul> did you see it in action yourself yet?
<wpwrak> i'd be satisfied with sustainability :)
<wpwrak> nope
<wolfspraul> I think his software is also a bit old
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: the 1 billion is for the copyleft hardware mission statement, unrelated to our short term goals
<wpwrak> does he know how to field-upgrade ?
<wolfspraul> he should, we did together once or twice
<wolfspraul> just plug in jtag cable, run script
<wolfspraul> maybe he doesn't want to take chances since it works now
<wpwrak> okay, for the whole movement. doesn't have to be qi-hw alone then
<wolfspraul> yes sure
<wpwrak> hmm. need to check if he brought the jtag cable
<wolfspraul> that's a regular USB cable
<wolfspraul> he has it all, no worries
<wpwrak> will the latest sw have better effects ? or justfewer bugs and more "exotic" features ?
<wolfspraul> hard to say since it's progressing everywhere
<wpwrak> but jtag is also the little board, no ?
<wolfspraul> yes but that's always inserted
<wpwrak> ah, i see
<wolfspraul> well maybe try with what's on it first
<wolfspraul> but you definitely need music
<wolfspraul> without music it's a very dry experience
<wpwrak> do we have some good cc-by* tracks somewhere ?
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: not really, the situation there is dire
<wpwrak> mmh :-(
<wolfspraul> you can try jamenda.com or ccmixter.org
<wpwrak> should have brought my kaossilator then
<wolfspraul> sorry jamendo.com
<wolfspraul> but both are very flawed imho
<wpwrak> could someone with faster internet access please try ? :)
<wolfspraul> very bad web interface, bad browsing, bad players, bad ranking/rating, bad for exploring new things, bad for downloading, lots of -nc and -nd and other restrictions mixed in with the free stuff
<wpwrak> bad interface = ideal with slow links and small screens :)
<wolfspraul> if an itunes product manager is ever accidentally lost on those websites, he will cry badly
<wolfspraul> but that's the best I know, and if there were better ones Jon would have told me. he knows the situation best (but I'm sure for the most part he agrees with my assessment)
<wolfspraul> there's classical music on wikimedia commons
<wpwrak> well, if someone could find 1-2 decent tracks, that would help
<wolfspraul> how slow is slow? http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?dig-lic=safe
<wolfspraul> can you go there?
<wolfspraul> let me find something...
<wpwrak> (classical) may be tricky to re-interpret this for M1 effects
<wpwrak> slow = foraging isn't much fun
<wolfspraul> cc-by
<wpwrak> downloading ...
<wpwrak> the wlan here would be faster with wpan :)
<wpwrak> hmm, quite good. frequencies sound a little off, but that may just be my laptop
<wpwrak> the lyrics seem appropriate - i wonder when rejon will wake up :)
<wpwrak> got one more ?
<wpwrak> afk for a bit
<wpwrak> oh, rejon was here. didn't even notice
<`antonio`> Hi, I am trying to develop a GUI in nanonote, so I am working with SDL and C but I am having some problems,
<`antonio`> can anyone link me some games or application developed using SDL that I can refer to ?
<viric> methril_work: I sent your CV to the brasilian owner
<kristianpaul> `antonio`: may be Freedroid, bu i remenber libSDL webpage have some examples
<`antonio`> kristianpaul, thanks i'll have a look
<kristianpaul> also i think in this project (http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/) there is SDL code somwhere, you just need find it
<kristianpaul> bbl
<`antonio`> excellent i'll have a look
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: switch linux-zigbee tools source from (old) tarball to git repository (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2d96152
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/Makefile (BEN_DIRS): add dirtpan iff its lowpan tools dependency is met (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e3066d7
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: xxx (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c705bf0
<wpwrak> rejon: newsflash: there are lunch vouchers
<wpwrak> rejon: so if you hadn't had food yet, you may want to grab one
<rejon> ok, great
<rejon> will grab
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: i was wrong all the time, osgps dont support complex data as the sige chip was avaliable at time just provided real
<sid_> is /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_min_design minimum power which is needed for nn?
<sid_> or how do i have to understand it
<larsc> sid_: basically when the battery reaches the minimum it is empty
<sid_> thanks, it was in storage and i got some strange values like -40%, which where a bit confusing.
<sid_> do you have any experience in charging li ion?
<larsc> other than putting it into a charger, no
<sid_> ^^ me too, but with n900 (usb is broken) it looks like it works
<sid_> bye
<kristianpaul> grr, damn small resitor and my lackness of good flux to make it back its new place
<zear> larsc, is the ~2sec waiting time after you press the power button still present in the recent firmware?
<kristianpaul> phew.. finally R47K moved from R9 to R14
<kristianpaul> 1hr trying :)
<kristianpaul> the trick was use tiny blobs of tin in the ends
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: hey !, how was embeeded linux talk?
<wpwrak> i wasn't there. 9am is a deal-breaker :)
<kristianpaul> jaja
<larsc> as long as you don't miss your own talk everything is fine
<kristianpaul> =]
<kristianpaul> hum, where is my 16Mhz sampling clock
<wpwrak> larsc: indeed. and i had it already ;-)
<kristianpaul> okay, real its working
<kristianpaul> real mode*
<kristianpaul> now back to sapling :)
<zrafa> where is tuxbrain??
<Tesseract> Simple question, if I have an ipk file, how do I install it on the nanonote?