<wolfspraul>
I have good news for you - I received an anonymous donation of 50 USD towards the purchase of your Ben NanoNote! Seriously! It's amazing...
<wolfspraul>
shipping to New Zealand is about 25 USD or so btw, so the total you will need is still about 75 USD...
<kristianpaul>
I still wondering what kinda of keyboard wolfgang tought for the Ya tablet idea
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: xula still nice board for that price, shame that sdram share bus with spi flash...
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: I'm just thinking about continuity, I have no silver bullet for the whole device.
<wolfspraul>
so for the time being I continue to improve software on the Ben, until the magic moment hits that we can somehow advance the hardware
<kristianpaul>
sure sure, just wanted to heard your idea :)
<kristianpaul>
personally, i like table-like devices like kindle, but anway just saying...
<kristianpaul>
because keyboard location not ebook think at all
<akiwiguy>
Hello, wolfspraul
<wolfspraul>
hi
<akiwiguy>
wolfspraul: You're kidding me, right?
<wolfspraul>
no
<akiwiguy>
That is pure awesomeness. :D
<wolfspraul>
do you think you have the rest saved up already? ca. 75 USD?
<akiwiguy>
I'd have to have a look, but I'm on holiday at the moment
<wolfspraul>
ok
<akiwiguy>
So I can't check
<akiwiguy>
I get back home on Saturday so I shall let you know
<rjeffries>
it would be cool to make it a Linux tablet
<akiwiguy>
Btw, do we have any feasible way of rearranging the keyboard on the NanoNote? I saw Jane used some glue to do it
<akiwiguy>
Because I'd be changing mine to azerty
<wolfspraul>
don't do it
<akiwiguy>
Why not?
<wolfspraul>
it's not meant to be rearranged, you will essentially destroy the keyboard and device ;-)
<akiwiguy>
:/
<akiwiguy>
Oh well.
<wolfspraul>
well that's my opinion
<wolfspraul>
you saw that Jane just did it anyway...
<akiwiguy>
Yeah...
<akiwiguy>
I shall just remap it in software and find some stickers to put over the keys :P
<kristianpaul>
i think osgps make its own inb/outb implementation..
<kristianpaul>
oh, wow osgps commits from  6 days ago
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: you should tell them about your Milkymist work
<wolfspraul>
it takes time for people to understand new things, especially as fundamental as Milkymist, so you may have to repeat a few times etc. but start early is good...
<kristianpaul>
I did already (tell)
<wolfspraul>
any feedback?
<kristianpaul>
well, dual gps receiver was a recomendation for long run, that came from Fabrizio Tapper
<kristianpaul>
gps and galileo i think it was
<kristianpaul>
from Clifford Kelley and Peter Mumford, no more feedback than best wishes :)
<wolfspraul>
he :-) that's a start
<kristianpaul>
ah, almost forgot, Fabrizio saids milkymist related work with gps stuff, should work as a toolkit
<wolfspraul>
don't understand
<kristianpaul>
and the usual, wow that expensive board !!
<kristianpaul>
toolkit i think he meant, to make easy for people to get involve
<kristianpaul>
but of course too soon, to think about it think
<wolfspraul>
yes I wasn't thinking about the board as much as about the Milkymist SoC and integration
<kristianpaul>
sure sure
<wolfspraul>
we are in a tough spot always (we = Milkymist One) because pure software folks will look at the hardware and compare specs and complain about 'low' specs
<wolfspraul>
while pure hardware folks look at the board and say 'expensive' because they compare with the most subsidized stuff they can find on the market
<wolfspraul>
that's life :-) the only way to break through is to make products that sell to real users who care about neither comparison
<wolfspraul>
I know too little about osgps to even begin to think whether any integration with Milkymist SoC makes sense or not...
<kristianpaul>
ha, thats not all, he only mentioned something i understand to he want to manufacture
<kodein>
looks like a decent idea for a small home gateway
<wpwrak>
the plug form factor is interesting. but ... it puts you right into regulatory hell. anything that connects to mains is heavily regulated, mandatory certification, and there are countries with unique local certifications.
<wpwrak>
e.g., look at a power supply from a major laptop vendor and count the little logos on it. you'll easily find 10 of them. each of them is worth a few thousand dollars. plus, for the plug form factor, you need to design a different connector for each type of wall socket in use. that's at least 5-6 different types.
<wpwrak>
maybe you can find pre-made partial plugs that you can integrate into case, though. or maybe even a case system with modular plugs. that should save you a lot of money :)
<kodein>
europlug covers you for around 50 countries, though
<wpwrak>
kodein: doesn't help you in the US, australia, uk, argentina, south africa, and i think it would be a problem in switzerland and brazil, too. that's quite a large part of the planet you're missing :) and i don't remember what they have in russia, china, japan, and such. taiwan has US, so at least there you're good :)
<wpwrak>
(taiwain) that is, once you add a US plug :)
<kodein>
quite a few of my adapters I've gotten with snap on plugs for different parts of the world
<kodein>
I seem to recall the sheevaplug eventually going with a C7 instead, though
<wpwrak>
kodein: one question is whether you can commercially import a device with them. and then you also need to certify the adapters. also, adapters kinda obscure the whole "neat and simple" plug idea .
<wpwrak>
ah, europlug should work in switzerland too. then it ought to be good for brazil as well. that helps.
<wpwrak>
kodein: yes, that would work (not in australia, argentina, and apparently china, though). but then you need to find a supplier with such modular cases.
<wpwrak>
kodein: and you still need to certify the electronics in all those domains. same plug != same certificate.
<kodein>
yes, certainly.
<kyak>
Jay7: i've seen it now
<kyak>
and very strange comments
<kyak>
in order to buy it, you need to inform how you plan to use it - wtf?
<kyak>
i know only so many places to plug this IP Plug, and i would suggest one of them to that company
<wpwrak>
kyak: would that be a place where a lightbulb could make a difference, if it wasn't for the lack of electricity ? ;-)
<wolfspraul>
I don't think the mains power situation is quite as desperate as Werner describes it. but still a question of whether that is an area worth spending limited resources on, so at the bottom line I agree with Werner.
<wolfspraul>
kodein: C7 is cool, problem is that you will mostly only find it with larger supplies, 25W or up
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: i'd say mains are a good thing to eventually know how to handle, but due to the large external costs, it's probably not a thing you'd want to do on a tight budget and a tight schedule
<wolfspraul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
btw, I just saw your mail about the m1 circuit improvement - great!!!
<wolfspraul>
thanks a lot
<wolfspraul>
the original wasn't delivered to my Inbox for some reason
<wolfspraul>
I only saw Sebastien's reply now
<wolfspraul>
Adam just finished fix2 for all 90 boards, it will get interesting very soon :-)
<wpwrak>
yeah. the moment of truth approaches :)
<wolfspraul>
I don't know whether he starts testing today though, I'm sure it was a long soldering day already.
<wolfspraul>
but definitely tomorrow
<wolfspraul>
already 6 PM here
<wpwrak>
still 6 good working hours left in the day ;-)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: well, with all the board cleaning and drying, i guess it'll be tomorrow before the first tests
<wolfspraul>
yes
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: there's this wonderful "no clean" flux, but the one i have isn't much fun to use (sort of feels like heavily diluted "real" flux), and you probably still want to wash it off in the end, or worry about readily dissolved ions forever
<wpwrak>
those ions are tricky. you can easily get a flux-made bridge between traces/pads with a resistance around 100 kOhm. sometimes that's enough to defeat a pull-up, or - in conjunction with parasitic capacitances - slow the pull-up's effect enough to cause trouble
<wpwrak>
took me a while to figure that one out when i had a bunch of atusb boards that mysteriously wouldn't come out of reset after a bit of rework :)
<kyak>
dvdk: hi! Just wondering, if the project statistics at ohloh is updated by itself, or it must be triggered manually? I noticed that nanonote-firmware project was last updated 3 months ago :)
<wolfspraul>
ah yes, it's nice that we care about ohloh, good idea!
<dvdk>
kyak: it's auto-updated usually.  unless checkout errors occur, then you might have to drop a forum message for the administrators.
<dvdk>
i wonder, whether the latest branch renaming made it fail?
<kyak>
dvdk: could be. Perhaps you should re-add the project?
<dvdk>
kyak: not the project, just the git repo should suffice
<kyak>
yeah, that's what i meant :)
<dvdk>
just looging into ohloh
<kyak>
dvdk: do you have just openwrt-xburst or openwrt-packages repo, too?
<wpwrak>
hmm, how do i get from "enlistments" to the list of repositories ?
<wpwrak>
the world map is fun ;-) 65 contributors, but just one user :)
<wpwrak>
(enlistments) duh, never mind. that is the list of repositories. dunno why i confused it with the summary page
<wpwrak>
anyone care to add ben-wpan ? i wonder how many phantazillions that one is worth :)
<dvdk>
wpwrak: you should start with freshmeat for such projects. Â
<dvdk>
or maybe, better would be to add a 'Nanonote Hardware' (as opposed to software/firmware) projects to both freshemeat and ohloh, and list the ben-wpan and other nanonote hw-related repositories there
<wpwrak>
ah, so you can't add it directly to ohloh to get the evalutation ? pity.
<dvdk>
wpwrak: you can directly add it to ohloh.  maybe misunderstood you.  just wrt to public visibility, freshmeat is certainly more important than ohloh.
<wpwrak>
ah no, i'm just a little curious what that evaluation would return. i trust google to help people to find it :)
<dvdk>
btw, just the live stream of the debconf presentation about debian multiarch support started
<wpwrak>
whee ! their metric is a little flawed ;-) i suppose they retrieve the contributors from the commits, but the users have to be told to register at ohloh ?
<methril_work>
i`m registered
<dvdk>
wpwrak: or maybe really nobody is using it :)
<wpwrak>
dvdk: yes, perhaps you're doing the most extreme version of "scratching one's itch" :)
<wpwrak>
dvdk: running a 11 million USB project, just to please your own desires. well, if the sheiks in oil-rich countries can do it, why shouldn't you ? ;-)
<kristianpaul>
i jsut realize with osgps you can do soemthing like this:Â Â # define outpwd(p, v) outw_p(v, p)
<wpwrak>
as opposed to .. ? :)
<kristianpaul>
s/with/from
<wpwrak>
you can redefine a function name. i got that. what's special about it ? :)
<kristianpaul>
well, *i* dint knew it !!
<kristianpaul>
it could save me lots of renames in the past..
<kristianpaul>
anywa..
<wpwrak>
aah :)
<akiwiguy>
Good morning all
<kristianpaul>
akiwiguy: hi
<akiwiguy>
Hello, kristianpaul
<kristianpaul>
akiwiguy: how fesible you think is to uset the txt2tags software you mentioned last time, to index and browse a XML dump from wiktionary?
<akiwiguy>
Hmm, I don't know if it goes backwards - XML to text
<akiwiguy>
I'd have to have a look at how wikitionary dumps it's info, I know nothing about it
<mth>
kristianpaul: for XML to text, XSLT could be used