<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: thanks a lot for helping with the news btw!
<kristianpaul>
phew... write take time
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: I would have never thought :-)
<wolfspraul>
actually one very important reason we need to write good news is also to establish a history for our project, which you can see quite nicely at http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/News
<kristianpaul>
haha, now i understand you every month..
<wolfspraul>
yes it's terribly time consuming
<wolfspraul>
especially to verify the facts, to find good reference URLs, and to write a short and readable headline
<wolfspraul>
oh, and to find nice pictures or even videos ideally
<wolfspraul>
to clarify their license, convert or upload them into the wiki, and finally embed :-)
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: it's very important that we spend some time on really good reference URLs
<wolfspraul>
so the news can serve as a starting point to many other related projects, ideas, plans, success stories, failure stories, etc.
<wolfspraul>
easier said than done though ;-) So I'm seriously happy that you help!
<kristianpaul>
btw namuru core is stabilized now in milkymist, i'm working on port or write a basic algorythm to get telemtry from sige..
<wolfspraul>
you should post some things about that too
<kristianpaul>
k
<wolfspraul>
I don't think namuru or osgps were _ever_ mentioned in the news
<kristianpaul>
hum...
<wolfspraul>
but even those names, the URLs to their homepages, and what this is is good news and very important for copyleft hardware
<wolfspraul>
you agree?
<kristianpaul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
because we don't want to have a news item one day "super great Openstreetmap contributor device available in shop soandso for xx USD"
<kristianpaul>
okay will that tomorrow at lunch, also document a bit how integratio was made...
<wolfspraul>
and a link to a zip file containing Eagle schematics :-)
<kristianpaul>
i have lot of private mails, need to be converted in proper pages..
<wolfspraul>
don't try to move it to the 'one big cleanup and documentation day', because that day will never come
<kristianpaul>
no no
<wolfspraul>
so instead, throw little snippets at clueless followers like us, for our enlightenment :-)
<kristianpaul>
hhah
<wolfspraul>
the news format also forces you to think like that, to extract one tidbit/headline
<kristianpaul>
if you said so,
<wolfspraul>
well it's not easy, you need to extract the news and think how to explain it to others. just as you said it's hard to write those news posts...
<wolfspraul>
but that's necessary if we want to pull people into the process, not just have them admire the results
<kristianpaul>
(snippets) well, seems osgps move the code for "driving" the gp2021-like chip to a linux module... i'll start checking that...
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: so I think even somethnig like this would be great: 'Kristian Paul discovered the namuru GPS ... which may help in his free stack. [url] [url]'
<wolfspraul>
because that provides entry/followup points for curious folks
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: here's werner's unbeatable quote "Create opportunities to join and actively seek participation"
<kristianpaul>
dicovered... well... not that i liked too much
<wolfspraul>
that's what such a news item helps with
<wolfspraul>
well sure, but post those snippets so we can follow...
<kristianpaul>
i mean no discover it, because i actually was told about it at first place
<kristianpaul>
post snippets where? (i get a bit confused)
<kristianpaul>
s/get/got
<kristianpaul>
correct place for snippets is ML i think
<kristianpaul>
ahm, you mean news..
<wolfspraul>
yes, news item
<wolfspraul>
just add a * reminder
<wolfspraul>
at the month's end, we can decide whether to remove it or to write it nicely with source URL, picture, etc.
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: maybe you were 'told' about namuru, but that still means you 'discovered' it, no? :-) You can use 'told' if you like that better, I picked 'discover' because it sounds more exciting (to me)...
<kristianpaul>
under milkymist right?
<kristianpaul>
well, of course xD run on ir..
<akiwiguy>
I just realized something - I'm at the top of the userlist :P
<kristianpaul>
hum?
<wolfspraul>
akiwiguy: that's cool!
<wolfspraul>
rejon: you didn't understand that cat picture?
<akiwiguy>
:D
<wolfspraul>
it's Andrew's DIY semiconductor lab
<akiwiguy>
Darnit I need $99usd
<wolfspraul>
first goal is (or was) to replicate the Intel 4004 in his lab
<wolfspraul>
akiwiguy: to buy a NanoNote!?
<akiwiguy>
I still haven't managed to get enough money for my nanonote - it's been like 6 months of saving
<akiwiguy>
wolfspraul: :D Orc
<akiwiguy>
Of course*
<akiwiguy>
Darn autocorrect.
<akiwiguy>
If I had a nanonote it would be using Ben-wpan and dirtpan and I would be using irssi on that
<akiwiguy>
Instead of having to use an iPad.
<wolfspraul>
aha, the bot showed who's in charge here...
<akiwiguy>
xD
<wolfspraul>
akiwiguy: you save as hard as we work on this thing, at least that's a match already :-)
<akiwiguy>
:D
<akiwiguy>
Does the nanonote have a working python port?
<wolfspraul>
I'm pretty sure it does
<akiwiguy>
Cool, then I can use it as a Na'vi on-the-go translator too :D
<wolfspraul>
I saw xiangfu mentioning some python bug when testing the latest image, but that will be fixed for sure.
<wolfspraul>
and in the current official image I would be surprised if it didn't work
<akiwiguy>
Ugh.
<akiwiguy>
I hate being in New Zealand. Shipping here is expensive, exchange rates, etc.
<akiwiguy>
And being 14 makes it even worse because I can't get a job so I have to rely on my parents for money
<wolfspraul>
akiwiguy: do you have a strong Linux/free software scene you are part of there? any lugs?
<wolfspraul>
any places you think could be interested in the Milkymist One video synthesizer (that thing is even more expensive thought at 499 USD)
<wolfspraul>
I remember there was one pretty cool blog I followed for a while, out of New Zealand. One sec...
<akiwiguy>
But i don't know if there would be that much interest in MM1
<wolfspraul>
akiwiguy: nice! Get some of the members there to help us with NanoNote hacking, or Linux on Milkymist One.
<wolfspraul>
it depends on how you look at it [m1]
<akiwiguy>
It's a nice device
<wolfspraul>
first we focus on making a great video synthesizer, but you can also see it as a general purpose computing platform
<akiwiguy>
The SoC seems like a great platform
<akiwiguy>
<wolfspraul>
there's a lot missing to go in that direction, but good Linux (kernel) hackers could help a lot to fulfill this dream
<wolfspraul>
that's why I think a LUG may still be a good place to bring it up and discuss it, even if it only generates a few more leads or blog posts/tweets.
<akiwiguy>
I could bring it up on the lug's irc channel
<wolfspraul>
the same is true for ben-wpan of course, it doesn't even need a NanoNote since you can see it from a notebook (USB) perspective only if you like
<wolfspraul>
well we need to spread the word, for sure :-)
<wolfspraul>
same thing about ben-wpan - great opportunity for significant progress in the Linux kernel
<kristianpaul>
had any one here code something to the ISA bus?
<roh>
ola
<larsc>
ISA was long before my time
<roh>
finished the first 3 buttons!!1! ;)
<roh>
kristianpaul: yes. sure.
<roh>
inb/outb
<roh>
see parport programming documentation.. it only changed addresses and access methods when it became pci
<roh>
pci is usually mmio (map some address, do read/write there)
<rjeffries>
tuxbrain this will be of interest to you, as you were looking for Arduino that might be able to talk to wpwrak ATVen ATusb
<wolfspraul>
rjeffries: you were looking for me the other day. What can I do for you?
<rjeffries>
Zigduion is about $70 that includes teh radio
<rjeffries>
wolfspraul I was only saying "hi"
<wolfspraul>
and I thought you wanted to order your Ben finally... oh well :-)
<kristianpaul>
;-)
<rjeffries>
oh, and I see you may need an "armchair General." reporting as ordered, Sir
<rjeffries>
;)
<roh>
wishes for a fast xyz robot with a vacuum-gripper and some easy to train ocr to do the 'glueing'
<roh>
one would still need to peel off tape etc, but the nasty part could be automatized
<rjeffries>
wpwrak i've been busy elsewhere, so have not folowed recent ATben ATusb news. I think Ben to Ben is working with DirtPan. How about ATusb to ATben or ATusb to ATusb?
<kristianpaul>
one of the nice things about getting early from bed, is watch the dawn :)
<kodein>
that is mostly impossible for me most of the year, either dawn is way too early, or it's a few hours into regular working hours
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: thinking of your ya "tablet" design. there may be a way to combine this with a keyboard. the keyboard could be made quite thin and then could go as a cover on the screen. it would need some swivel-and-slide mechanism to position it partially under the screen, to prevent the ya from falling over even worse than the ben. that part may be tricky.
<wpwrak>
this would combine the simplicity of a tablet design with still having a keyboard
<Ayla>
what about an on-screen keyboard?
<Ayla>
keep it smart and simple...
<wpwrak>
Ayla: and inconvenient to use :)
<Ayla>
a real keyboard would higher a lot the price
<Ayla>
s/higher/raise
<wpwrak>
Ayla: there is some research into making on-screen keyboards with tactile feedback, but they're still not even at the point of having useful lab prototypes
<wpwrak>
Ayla: dunno if it would add all that much to the cost
<Ayla>
well, it would at least increase the complexity of the device
<wpwrak>
that it would
<wpwrak>
but what other choices do you have if you want a keyboard ?
<Ayla>
separate wireless keyboard? :)
<Ayla>
and on-screen keyboard for extreme mobility
<wolfspraul>
sounds complicate [keyboard ideas]
<wolfspraul>
complicate
<wolfspraul>
complicateD
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<Ayla>
I'm looking for a small a cheap FPGA board, do you have any advices?
<wolfspraul>
avnet xilinx dev boards?
<wolfspraul>
but don't come to me with software support questions, ask the avnet guys they get enough money from xilinx :-)
<wolfspraul>
Ayla: what do you want to do with the board?
<wpwrak>
Ayla: that board looks very nice indeed. and it's even copyleft hardware :)
<wpwrak>
Ayla: of course, a far cry from what the M1's FPGA can do.
<Ayla>
wpwrak, my project is to connect various controllers on my dreamcast's maple bus
<Ayla>
like SNES or megadrive controllers
<Ayla>
that's mostly to teach myself FPGAs
<Ayla>
the bus has a 2Mbps throughput, I believe that this board is strong enough to handle this
<qi-bot>
[commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Removed wallpaper images of which the size did not match the resolution there were used at. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b5698e8
<mth>
by the way, does it make sense to have wallpapers as part of a skin?
<mth>
I can imagine a skin might include a wallpaper designed to go well with it, but all existing wallpapers are not related to any particular skin, it seems
<mth>
Ayla: you missed this when you got disconnected:
<mth>
[23:57] <mth> by the way, does it make sense to have wallpapers as part of a skin?
<mth>
[23:58] <mth> I can imagine a skin might include a wallpaper designed to go well with it, but all existing wallpapers are not related to any particular skin, it seems
<Ayla>
mth: the "wallpapers" menu lists all the wallpapers of the skin, plus all the wallpapers from the Default skin
<Ayla>
from either the system directory or the user directory
<Ayla>
so if you have general wallpapers unrelated to the skin, put them on the "wallpapers" dir of the Default skin
<mth>
I guess that works, but it feels a bit weird
<Ayla>
I coult make a "wallpapers" directory directly on .gmenu2x, and make a symlink to it on the Default skin directory
<Ayla>
could*
<mth>
symlinks don't work on vfat though and many people use vfat on SD cards
<Ayla>
ah, right
<Ayla>
in that case, I can't think of a smart way of doing this