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<Heiher> How can I found the documentation about ocaml asmcomp porting? thanks!
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<ananas__> Hello, I don't know much about ocamlbuild, but I have the feeling that when I list my ocamlfind -pkgs, it somehow includes them in the final executable (as a static library, in C). Is it possible not to include them ? I am used to having some .dlls or .sos to have my program work, for a C program. Is it possible with ocaml .cmxs or .cmas ? Should I modify the code (I saw a "Dynlink" module in the stl) ? What about
<ananas__> ocamlfind ?
<companion_cube> the default in OCaml is static linking indeed
<companion_cube> producing .cmxs allows using Dynlink to load the .cmxs later (for its side effects)
<flux> ananas__, well, there are two options: 1) don't compile it at all, but just use the ocaml toplevel for running the programs.. then it will use the .cma files 2) write the program to open the modules dynamically; but this is not anything automatic, but akin to dlopen in C
<companion_cube> but I don't know how to tell ocamlbuild not to link C libs statically
<flux> oh, right, you were writing a library for C
<ananas__> No, no. I am only writing OCaml, but I expected the compiler to work like gcc
<flux> I think that should be possible, I mean you cannot in general just link any .so statically nowadays can you?
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<ananas__> Thank you for the explanation, I didn't understand everything but it helped ;)
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<dario2> Hi everyone! I have a terminology question for the theorists in this channel:
<dario2> I have a library (Lambdoc) that exposes a document AST, and I want to provide
<dario2> an AST mapper and an AST folder, using the same approach used by the OCaml
<dario2> compiler's Ast_mapper. Though I could offer separate APIs for mapping/folding,
<dario2> users will often want to perform both on the same document, and it's kind of
<dario2> silly to traverse the AST twice (I realise that clever users could piggyback
<dario2> one on top of the other and avoid the double traversing, but this approach is
<dario2> not very convenient). Therefore, I'm writing a generic "transformer" that
<dario2> does both mapping and folding. This seems to work and fine and it's pretty
<dario2> convenient, but I wonder what the proper name for this operation should be.
<dario2> (I'm calling it "morpher" right now).
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<flux> map_and_fold?-)
<dario2> flux: are you saying those category theory haven't come up with a fancy name for this?... :-)
<dario2> s/theory/theorists/
<dsheets> is "fold" not sufficient?
<dario2> dsheets: Well, that's what I meant by clever users piggybacking one on top of the other.
<dario2> But it's not very convenient, is it?
<dsheets> it's not clear to me what precise problem is trying to be solved: naming? signature design? fusion?
<dario2> One example: users want to change all "bold" test to "emph", while simultaneously counting the instances of "tt" text.
<flux> I can see that mapping an AST with folding could be annoying, so it's nice to provide a function to do that
<dario2> Another more realistic example: change all "http" links to "https", and append to an error list all links that cannot be resolved.
<dsheets> well, your folds are going to be scott-encoded? that is, they will explicitly require recursive calls onto the function structure dual to the constructor tree? if so, you should be able to have "fold" to apply a fold structure to a tree and a set of fold structure combinators that, e.g., automatically invokes the recursion if only mapping
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<dario2> dsheets: I think I'll post a concrete example to the caml-list...
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<dario2> dheets: I'm not familiar with the terminology you used, but I suspect that my solution does exactly what you suggest...
<ousado> dario2: FWIW, I settled for "foldmap"
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<flux> the problem with "foldmap" in my opinion is that often times x_y is used to express "first x, then y", ie. filter_map
<flux> but I guess it's not that big of a problem
<destrius> dario2: i have a similar kind of generic function that i'm calling "mother_traverser"
<destrius> due to lack of any better name
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<ousado> the two times I asked this question here, the responses were mostly fold_map and foldmap respectively
<ousado> for people aware of these concepts, looking at the signature should be sufficient to figure out what it's doing
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<dario2> companion_cube: Interesting approach! It does have the disadvantage of slightly increasing the cognitive burden for users of the AST, though...
<companion_cube> yeah, it's a bit subtle
<companion_cube> also, the advantage of ast_mapper and the likes is open recursion
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<ousado> using a polymorphic version instead of a fold+map would also require a second traversal to get back to the "standard" version
<ousado> and keep references to values that otherwise would probably be collected much sooner
<ousado> depending on what the fold does, of course
<companion_cube> next year I'll probably use the 'a foo approach extensively
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<seliopou> yo dsheets, how would you feel about merging in a pr to ipaddr that adds support for testing "subset" for prefixes
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<dsheets> seliopou, what's a subset?
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<seliopou> dhseets: e.g., xxx.xx.x.xx/8 ⊆ xxx.xx.x.xx/4
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<dsheets> seliopou, ah, sure, i'm a bit surprised it doesn't already have this, tbh
<flux> does it have 'intersection' operation?
<dsheets> flux, i don't believe so... might be useful
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<flux> it would trivially allow that testing, and could have other uses
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<dsheets> right. it has only membership right now (and injection of addresses into /32 prefixes) which could also be subsumed by intersection
<destrius> every sufficiently advanced structure ends up becoming a lattice ;)
<dsheets> somebody is gonna want unions before long
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<seliopou> i'm actually interested in the in the subset operation so I can implement other lattice operations :)
<seliopou> those are probably best left to the user to implement tho
<dsheets> depends on what they are... the prefix/set type is abstract...
<flux> related: cool, someone's made iptables (libitc) bindings to ocaml: https://github.com/andrenth/ocaml-iptables/blob/master/lib_test/test_iptables.ml
<flux> though perhaps not quite complete and 3 years old but.. :)
<seliopou> hmmm... am i doing something wrong or the negation of a prefix not nearly as large of a combinatorial explosion as I thought it would be...
<dsheets> seliopou, Ipaddr.V4.Prefix.(mem (broadcast (of_string_exn "192.168.0.0/24")) (of_string_exn "192.168.0.0/16")) may be what you want?
<seliopou> dsheets I was getting type errors when I put a prefix in the first argument
<seliopou> ohhhh, though the subset operation is just dropping the mask from the first argument and computing membership
<seliopou> right?
<dsheets> the negation of a prefix should be 2^n - 1 where n is the mask size
<seliopou> yeah i was doing it wrong
<dsheets> seliopou, i don't think the broadcast hack is quite right as ones at the low-end of the prefix can be misinterpreted. we need a real operation to compare the prefix length
<seliopou> yeah i think i implemented this somewhere in the frenetic codebase once
<dsheets> you can get the value with Prefix.bits
<dsheets> anyway, a pr or an issue would be fine
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<dsheets> seliopou, feel free to include intersection as well
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<seliopou> whoops, meant meet
<seliopou> i always get them confused :/
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<seliopou> dsheets how do I get these tests running?
<dsheets> seliopou, what tests?
<seliopou> for ipaddr, I added some tests but I can't get it to run the tests: https://gist.github.com/seliopou/62499733b18346912722
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<seliopou> ugh, nm i bet it's freebsd
<dsheets> it's because i (stupidly) used oasis for this project
<dsheets> change Command: make to Command: gmake in the _oasis file and regen
<dsheets> seliopou, g2g, gl, ttyl
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<seliopou> kbai
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<cateches> can someone help with ppx_deriving.show?
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<cateches> I've been playing around with Drup's example of llvm/sedlex/menhir (https://github.com/Drup/llvm/tree/3c43000f4e86af5b9b368f50721604957d403750/test/Bindings/OCaml/kaleidoscope) and when I go to build, I get `Error: Unbound value Ast.show_statement`
<cateches> I have a few files that look something like this: https://gist.github.com/samlecuyer/d7bae31ce0bbd34b05e7
<cateches> it seems like I have the correct setup, ppx_deriving is installed
<Drup> can you give the whole project ?
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<cateches> Drup it's basically just a stripped down copy of your kaleidescope demo
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<Drup> It builds for me
<Drup> "oasis setup ; make" and that's all
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<Drup> so either you have an issue in the way ppx_deriving is installed, either you have other files that disrupt the process.
<cateches> okay, that might be it
<cateches> what version of ppx_deriving do you have?
<cateches> opam install ppx_deriving [NOTE] Package ppx_deriving is already installed (current version is 0.3).
<Drup> 0.3 is .... very very old
<Drup> last is 2.2
<cateches> okay, I'll upgrade
<cateches> wow, I'm behind the time
<Drup> I suspect you don't have aspcud installed :]
<cateches> I don't have a lot installed :)
<cateches> I'll just opam update && opam upgrade
<Drup> aspcud is quite essential for the good behavior of opam. http://opam.ocaml.org/doc/Usage.html#Beforeyougetstartedquotexternalsolversquot
<cateches> I do have aspcud
<cateches> - downgrade ppx_deriving.0.3 to 0.1
<cateches> that's ... suboptimal
<cateches> -_-
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<Drup> please report "opam config report"
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<Drup> I see
<Drup> update your opam :]
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<cateches> can I opam upgrade opam?
<cateches> or use brew, since I used that to install
<Drup> use brew
<Drup> (you should not be on 4.02.0+trunk too, move to 4.02.3 instead)
<Drup> (especially since the lastest version of ppx_deriving is not compatible with ocaml < 4.02.2)
<cateches> ah, I switched when I installed because 4.02 wasnt't the default yet
<cateches> okay, I'm just out of date and can't have nice things
<Drup> Regardless of the default, avoid the trunk unless you know what you are stepping in :D
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<cateches> okay, I think my problem now is that I'm using fish and I can't figure out how to get opam to play nice with fish
<cateches> even with init --shell=fish
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<cateches> okay, Drup thanks for your help
<cateches> that all works now :)
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<zozozo> merlin (version 2.2 for 4.02.3) doesn't seem to recognise the "type nonrec t = ..." syntax, is it normal ?
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<flux> maybe. I guses you recompiled merlin against the 4.02.3 compiler-libs?
<flux> (or let opam do it for you)
<flux> though was it so that merlin actually comes with an ocaml compiler.. might be it's not updated yet for this.
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<zozozo> opam did it indeed
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<flux> merlin git repository has these directories orig/ocaml_{400,402,trunk} so I wonder if it needs to be updated to work with new syntax structures.
<zozozo> i think "type nonrec" was introduced in 4.02.2
<flux> zozozo, btw, did you read README.md?
<flux> is says: - ```nonrec``` for declaring non-recursive types
<flux> ..in the list of supported extensions
<flux> so it seems it should just work(TM)
<flux> if it doesn't, then maybe it's a bug
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<zozozo> I forgot to read the README, but it still doesn't work (or did I miss some parameter to set for it to be activated ?)
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<flux> nope, seems like it should work out-of-the-box
<flux> so perhaps it's time to submit an issue
<flux> or highlight def` :)
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<zozozo> alright, let's do it
<zozozo> after looking at closed issues, I tried adding 'EXT nonrec'to the .merlin and that fixed it
<flux> ah, I didn't read/remember the whole readme part :)
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<flux> I just read '..a few common extensions are hardcoded' and read from there on..
<flux> but as it's in the mainline now, perhaps it could be enabled by default
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