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<justgage> Hey OCamlers, I have this weird error when I start UTop all of a a suden, it says `Error: Parse error: [semi] expected after [str_item] (in [phrase])` after everything I try to do
<justgage> even like `2;;`
<tennix> justgage: check your ~/.ocamlinit
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<justgage> I did... I can't see anything out of the ordinary
<tennix> what about ~/.utoprc
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<lewis1711> is there a way to get the ocaml toplevel to pretty print your custom exceptions
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<lewis1711> I get a lot of stuff like "Exception: Eval.Call_of_non_applicable(_)."
<lewis1711> because it can't print the argument of that exception
<flux> lewis1711, you can install exception pretty printers with #install_printer
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<lewis1711> hmm, I see it in utop but it doesn;t give me a meaningful type signature or anything. I'll check it out though
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<def`> exception pretty printing is a dynamic thing
<def`> you can use Printexc.register_printrr
<def`> it will work in all applications not only toplelel
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<companion_cube> def`: is it good practice, for a module that defines an exception, to also register that exception at initialization time?
<lewis1711> blergh, you can't chain top-level directives together with ;;
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<flux> def`, will it work in toplevel as well?
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<flux> companion_cube, I think some packages do it.. I don't know if there are any downsides. maybe not ;)
<companion_cube> I'm not sure either
<def`> flux: yes, toplevel phrases execute in the same runtime
<companion_cube> some people say that most modules should be "pure" (no init code)
<def`> companion_cube: then don't use exceptions, they are generwtive :)
<flux> companion_cube, the problem with .cmas is of course that not all top-level phrases get to be exectued
<flux> but if you install the printers in the same module where you define the exceptions, everything should work ok?
<def`> flux: Or not, I might be wrong :/
<flux> and I do agree that it's not a bad policy to not put all kinds of initializations in modules during eval time, but these are so small.. :)
<flux> so until someone can convince me it would be bad, I'm of the opinion that it's ok :)
<def`> so it works with Utop not standard toplevel
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<companion_cube> def`: that's a reasonable argument
<companion_cube> I should start doing it more often
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<zozozo> I'm trying to do an ocaml program that would do things like ulimit (i.e limit time and memory consumption of programs), and I can't seem to find any way to get the ressource usage of a still running process (except looking at /proc/pid/status), does anyone know of some magic function which would do that (in lwt for instance) ?
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<companion_cube> there should be a rlimit system call, but afaik it's not in Unix
<companion_cube> maybe in ExtUnix
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<companion_cube> yeah, everyone rewrites her own
<companion_cube> too bad it's not in Unix :/
<toolslive> sorry. on tire son plan ;)
<zozozo> still even in ExtUnix, I don't seem to find an easy way to set a limit on global memory consumption,but then maybe it'sjuste I don't understand well enough the different ressources exposed
<toolslive> memory consumption is fuzzy.
<toolslive> the one that comes closest to what you want is maxrss
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<zozozo> it returns (more or less) the memory used ?
<toolslive> it's peak memory usage
<toolslive> but that comes close to the truth for ocaml programs
<zozozo> ok, will see if it works (though I'm actually trying to limit memory consumption of non-ocaml programs, using an ocaml program, :p)
<toolslive> man getrusage gives you the details
<companion_cube> zozozo: then... fork+exec?
<toolslive> unix has all the tools to do this
<zozozo> probably ?
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<zozozo> toolslive: problem is, I would like to limit memory for a process and all its children
<toolslive> the sum?
<toolslive> or each has a max ?
<whirm> zozozo: use cgroups
<companion_cube> yeah...
<companion_cube> I don't know much about cgroups, but it looks like it's been designed for this purpose
<toolslive> cgroups is a permanent solution.
<zozozo> whirm: thx, will take a look
<toolslive> while softlimit is a temporary override
<whirm> zozozo: also, if you are/can use systemd on that system, it already has this functionality integrated.
<zozozo> whirm: it'snice to know, but the goal is to have a ulimit-like tool at the end, and relying on systemd doesn't seem to be the most portable solution (even between linux machines)
<whirm> zozozo: ah, I see
<zozozo> hm... I think it will take me a while to understand cgroups, :p
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<toolslive> I need some help on getting orocksdb into opam (PR 4506)
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<lpaste_> tashjash pasted “Fragile pattern-matching” at http://lpaste.net/137085
<tashjash> Hi, why does OCaml say that my pattern matching is fragile?
<tashjash> I try adding a constructor, and it complains about non exhaustive pattern matching
<Drup> this warning is not enabled by default, isn't it ?
<tashjash> Drup, no it isn't
<tashjash> But I always do -w A -warn-error A
<Drup> You shouldn't do that.
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<tashjash> Drup, thank you
<Drup> two reasons: 1) when the next version of the compile add new warning, your code is going to stop compiling, you should NEVER put "-warn-error A"
<tashjash> Drup, I bind to one version, each time a new version come I recompile everything
<Drup> 2) Some warnings are incompatibles
<tokenrove> tashjash: the problem is the _, 0 case.
<rks`> Drup: reason 1/ is shit
<Drup> rks`: No it's not
<tashjash> tokenrove, I suppose, but for me we have to different cases, the _, 0 which matches everything, and the Int _, k which totally explodes the pattern matching
<tashjash> i though it was authorixzed
<rks`> Drup: :)
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<tokenrove> tashjash: i guess the compiler can't figure it out. if you test k in a when clause instead, it seems to be fine.
<tashjash> tokenrove, tokenrove I'm not sure to understand your last statement
<tokenrove> tashjash: something like http://lpaste.net/137085
<tashjash> tokenrove, nice
<tashjash> thank you
<tashjash> but that's sad that ocaml refuses my code
<Drup> tashjash: the fundamental reason is that the pattern matching remains complete if you add more ints ... which doesn't really make sense, given you really know that's not going to happen, but the compiler doesn't
<tashjash> Drup, no it doesn't remain exhaustive
<tashjash> just do the test
<tashjash> I know what I was doing
<Drup> If you add new integers :)
<tashjash> but ocaml didn't know what I was doing :(
<Drup> I didn't say new contructor for the type t
<tashjash> ocaml accept fragile pattern matching when it's list or int
<tashjash> (otherwise we wouldn't be capable of matching int)
<tokenrove> to illustrate what drup is saying, try changing k in your original code to type t
<tashjash> k is a value, t is a type
<tashjash> I do not understand
<Drup> https://bpaste.net/show/eeef5e1284e7 that doesn't trigger the warning.
<tokenrove> tashjash: match k as T 0 and T k instead of 0 and k
<Drup> the heuristic for non fragile pattern is a bit crude and doesn't cover constants all that well, that's all what I'm saying
<tokenrove> anyway, it's kind of a shame about warnings. i tried enabling all warnings as errors but there are too many useful idioms that cause warnings.
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<Drup> tokenrove: just choose your warnings.
<tashjash> Drup, that's really intriguing
<tokenrove> yeah, that's what i do.
<companion_cube> you can also enable all, then disable some specific warnings
<tokenrove> (actually, I subtract warnings I don't want from A, but only because in most cases, I want my code to fail to compile if a new warning has been introduced.)
<companion_cube> I use warn_A, warn(-4), warn(-44)
<tashjash> the warning 44 is strange
<tashjash> but the 4 is an important warning
<tokenrove> i'm using -4-29-44
<tashjash> 29? you put end of line literrally in your strings?
<tashjash> that's evil
<tokenrove> a convenient evil in some cases
<tashjash> i do not see how it can be convenient
<tokenrove> blocks of test data
<Drup> 6 is unberable if you use optional labels
<tashjash> Drup, I discover that warrning when playing with sdl code
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<tashjash> it's really awful
<Drup> well, it's a warning, the point is to enable or disable them according to your programming style
<Drup> You could argue that disable 44 is terrible, and I kinda agree ... except I use the local open notation a lot for M.( ... )
<tokenrove> right
<tokenrove> what about 40?
<Drup> I use disambiguation liberay
<Drup> liberally*
<Drup> It makes AST massaging much more pleasant, in particular when you write transformations from one AST to another similar one
<tokenrove> that makes sense.
<tashjash> i never complain about ocaml warnings (not like the new warnings of gcc)
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<Drup> I keep 41 though, because even when disambiguation, writing ambiguous code is dodgy. In practice, it's quite hard to trigger.
<tashjash> they are always reasonable
<companion_cube> same, I use local opens
<Drup> If there was a M!.( ... ) syntax, I would active the warning
<Drup> activate*
<companion_cube> I might enable warning 4 on a per-file basis, actually
<companion_cube> that might be useful
<Drup> When you use GADTs, you don't need warning 4 :D
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<companion_cube> but you need merlin
<Drup> (Note to self: typing/parmatch is surprisingly easy to read)
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<companion_cube> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Projects/CoCaml/ anyone heard about that?
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<NingaLeaf> I'm thinking of using OCaml for data analytic engine and was interested to know of any language issues (if any) I might encounter trying to implement this.
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<NingaLeaf> I normally use R but it's not cutting it even when I use RCpp.
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<octachron> Drup, I also use a lot M.() (for shadowing operators). Adding a M.! construction would be a small patch to the lexer and parser. Do you think it is worth it?
<Drup> I half did it, and kinda lost focus and never finished it
<Drup> Actually, I finished it but wanted to add test before submitting it, and then I lost focus x)
<octachron> hm, the syntax is quite understandable, there is some clear use cases and the change is not too invasive.
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<octachron> there is quite a few redundancy between the override and the fresh version ... but well there is quite a few redundancy in the parser in general
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<Drup> You can't factorize it with yacc
<Drup> you could with menhir
<Drup> (thanks to %inline)
<Drup> (I tried)
<octachron> I mean in the mkexp(Pexp_open(Override, mkrhs $1 1, ..) expression and friends
<Drup> yeah
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<octachron> If you don't have the time (or focus :) ) to write these tests, I could write them and submit them to your branch
<Drup> yeah, I'm not sure where the test should go, in fact
<Drup> (but sure, feel free to do so :D)
<octachron> Ah, yes; I also don't really grok the organisation of the test suite folder
<Drup> I'm not even sure there are syntax-oriented tests
<octachron> there are some, like the exotic syntax test
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<Drup> Hum, it seems I didn't implemented it for arrays
<Drup> I'm going now, we'll see later
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<nullcat> how do you turn off a certain warning in merlin for vim
<nullcat> e.g warning 10 and 40
<flux> FLG -w -40
<flux> to .merlin
<nullcat> thanks!
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<octachron> Drup, so it turns out that "open!" is never tested in the test suite. For now, I think that tests/warnings might be the best location
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<jrslepak> if I have no errors, merlin now says "0 pending errors, use C-c C-x to jump", and if I have some errors, it says "No errors" :-\
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