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<t3st3r>
utente> if I remember correctly, Vcc on UART debug port is 3.3V. As for current, I guess it's limited by either input supply or step-down regulator (board uses 3.3V for own needs as well).
<utente>
t3st3r, ok 3V3.
<utente>
so for mA i sust refere to datashhet of regulator, i suppose.
<t3st3r>
you can check it with multimeter. As for load - I guess it depends.
<utente>
eheh i asked here cos im have nto multimeter at the moment.
<t3st3r>
board uses 3V3 for own needs and I dont really know how much current it takes/what is maximum current supposed in design.
<utente>
t3st3r, i planning a daughter board for cubieboard, so tu use the 3v3 from debug port can be usefull.
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<Vanfanel>
Hi
<Vanfanel>
I've been trying to add MALI egl/framebuffer code to a certain project (RetroArch), but results are VERY bad, with tearing and software-scaled surfaces.
<Vanfanel>
I'm using kernel 3.4.43-sun7i, and binary sunxi drivers
<Vanfanel>
so, what's the problem here? Is the MALI framebuffer as broken as it seems to be??
<t3st3r>
utente> hm, not sure where to find datasheet on mentioned step-down IC. Chinese ICs aren't super-good at this. Overall it looks like it can supply few hundreds mA or so, 1.6A inductor suggests its rather powerful.
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<utente>
t3st3r, this notice confort me, thank you :)
<Vanfanel>
In the other hand, how can I access an usb stick from Android on my Cubie2??
<Vanfanel>
FAT32-formatted stick
<utente>
Vanfanel, plug in and wait: teoretically, android should recognize and mount it automatically
<Vanfanel>
I don't have an smartphone, so I really don't know how to do these basic things :P
<Vanfanel>
utente: and where should it appear?
<utente>
rignh-down corner of the monitor, should be a icon
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<Vanfanel>
utente: is there a newer/better Android version other than the 4.0 that comes in Cubie2's NAND?
<utente>
Vanfanel, to me, Andtroid is a "golden jail", i never use it.
<utente>
so i cant suggest you the best. have a loot to 4.2.2, but up to you all the job.
<t3st3r>
and are there working way to replace android in nand with something less crappy?
<t3st3r>
People on linux-sunxi told there're troubles on this way :((
<Vanfanel>
utente: it's a golden jail for me, too. But I've found the EGL/GLES drivers to be pretty much broken in GNU/Linux as you probably read up there... I'm about to give up on the board if I can0t find an use for it.
<Vanfanel>
I'm very disapointed with the 2d/3D support this board offers in Linux. I hoped for the Cubie2 to replace my Raspberry PI, but lack of good framebuffer+EGL/GLES drivers are killing my interest very fast.
<Vanfanel>
*is
<utente>
Vanfanel, i run 1280x720 mkv movies fluid and nice. you have to set iup driver correcytly.
<Vanfanel>
utente: on the framebuffer or using Xorg backend?
<utente>
xorg
<Vanfanel>
Xorg is a no-go for me
<Vanfanel>
I wouldn't touch it with a 10mts pole
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<utente>
monitor run at 1280x720, movie is ath 480 but scale foll scetten perfecltly
<Vanfanel>
any idea on why it shouldn't work without X?
<Vanfanel>
what drivers are you using? sunxi ones?
<utente>
cubieboard dont came with "out-of-the-box" OS, you have to install a good one... like the one i developer for me own :-)
<Vanfanel>
I know. I'm using cubieez at the moment.
<Vanfanel>
Cubian was utterly broken.
<utente>
try differnts till you find the right one for your need.
<utente>
mmm... before otr later i will punblish mo own debian-for-cubieboard.
<Vanfanel>
What's your "os"? I mean, kernel version, drivers...
<utente>
34.43, recompiled by me, 1280x720 full screen, xbmc recompiled forn neon, libreoffice preinstalled, etc etc etc... near to 2G of userd nand.
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<Vanfanel>
So you haven't tested framebuffer stuff, have you?
<Vanfanel>
I mean, your OS seems to be desktop-oriented
<Vanfanel>
while I need a console-oriented system
<utente>
YES, BUT you can stop xorg and use xbmc in framebuffer.
<utente>
u can remove X with aptget, not difficult to do.
<Vanfanel>
And how well does xbmc work on fb? Does it still support hi-res MKVs?
<Vanfanel>
I tought VDPAU was an X-only thing
<t3st3r>
[14:44:09] <utente> cubieboard dont came with "out-of-the-box" OS, you have to install a good one... <- for me it came with android pre-flashed to NAND and it's not like if I like android.
<utente>
also the demo of SINTEL (1080) run fast and smooth on XBMC framebuffer :;-.)
<utente>
t3st3r, i never user pre-installed android on CB, as soon as i get the board, i flash with my debina tailored for cubieboard .-)
<Vanfanel>
utente: ok. Would you please make an image of that, suited for SD installation?
<t3st3r>
utente> and it works from NAND? I'm 100% fine with booting from cards but also want to get rid of android in nand.
<utente>
it is suited for nand, i dislike os from uSD.
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<utente>
well, "my" debina-for-cubieboard (DFC) is is quite good (at least at my eyes) but for the moment it is a my own provate project. i am plannoing to share it in next months, but before to do i wiull like to betterd define some details
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<Vanfanel>
utente: don't keep it too long. I feel the Cubieboard really needs a good distribution. The ones currently available are broken one way or another.
<utente>
Vanfanel, i didt share my "creature" cos i was convinced cubia was the best... but it seems it is not.
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<utente>
cubia=cubian
<utente>
I hope you will download but also use the "donate" button :-)
<alleycat>
Vanfanel: xbmc works almost flawlessly on cubie2 , if all you want is to render movies
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<utente>
Vanfanel, why u sau cubian is utterly broken? what you complain in cubian?
<t3st3r>
[14:51:45] <utente> it is suited for nand, i dislike os from uSD. <- and have you boot it with u-boot without these strange allwinner loaders?
<utente>
i dd the image on nand, without use loader on windows or else. i boot from a uSD than i dd the image on nand.
<Vanfanel>
utente: if I get good EGL on framebuffer support, don't doubt I WILL use the donate button :)
<utente>
Vanfanel, good boy :)
<utente>
wait, what is "EGL"?
<Vanfanel>
it's GLES's context management system. A graphics API complement, so to say.
<Vanfanel>
It allows you to define the window inside wich GLES stuff will appear.
<wolfy>
Vanfanel: i tested xmbc in 1920x1080&60p and it worked perfectly
<Vanfanel>
wolfy: hey! nice to see you again! :)
<Vanfanel>
wolfy: I'm not into movies really
<utente>
ah yesw, i recompiuled it times ago and it works (apt least the demo image with "multicolor" triangle appear good.
<Vanfanel>
utente: that image is good here, too. But getting RetroArch or anything using moving GLES stuff isn't any good.
<wolfy>
Vanfanel: that's why I said "if". for my use case xbmc was a no go, I need to display several video streams in the same time
<utente>
but then i didt go on with that task, cos grapics is not my fist ungence, i like to work more on optimization and kernel trimming :-)
<Vanfanel>
would you guys try my RetroArch MALI GLES "port"?
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
utente: android SDK 1.05 has 3,3 kernel
<ssvb>
utente: that's the last tag from the stable 3.4 branch (and already ~2 months old)
<utente>
thanks.
<utente>
i dont see mani differenve between .43 and .67: do you know some enancement that justify to move from .43 to .67?
<ssvb>
utente: Vanfanel has 3.4.43 which is much older, and considering that A20 is a relatively new SoC (the cubieboard2 was only introduced roughly half a yera ago), tons of bugfixes have been applied for sun7i support recently
<utente>
i see. because for the moment i stay on cubieboard (A10), do you think does it worth i move to .67? at the moment, my configuration is quite stable.
<ssvb>
basically, having an up to date kernel is highly recommended for Allwinner A20 based devices, Allwinner A10 may work fine with older kernels though
<wolfy>
fwiw I noticed no issues with 3.4.43 on my cubie2 ( using linaro, various versions )
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: if you want working vsync, you need to explicitly do "ioctl(fb, FBIO_WAITFORVSYNC, 0)" after eglSwapBuffers
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: and what about hardware-scaled graphics? using 1280x800 for example makes NES emulation in retroArch to crawl
<ssvb>
what do you mean by hardware-scaled graphics?
<ssvb>
if it's gles, then it is hardware accelerated
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: I mean hight resolutions (ie using a bigger native_window) causes bigger slowdown than using small EGL window (Window isn't an exact term here as I'm using the framebuffer, no X)
<ssvb>
if you want to use the scaled layers of display controller, then you don't even need mali or gles
<ssvb>
there are multiple solutions for this problem and all of them work fine
<Vanfanel>
but EGL/GLES is what RetroArch uses
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: then I guess you are doing something wrong
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: or RetroArch is doing something wrong
<Vanfanel>
RetroArch is fine (perfect smooth scrolls even in very high res modes) when using Rpi Dispmanx+EGL/GES or KMS+EGL/GLES
<Vanfanel>
so it's me or MALI (most probably me)
<Vanfanel>
:D
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: dispmanx is the rpi specific "display controller" stuff
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<Vanfanel>
ssvb: I know, I was just illustrating that RetroArch is fine. It's my MALI_EGL code wich must be wrong
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: I guess you need to port it to sunxi disp to have feature parity with rpi
<Vanfanel>
sunxi disp is Dispmanx equivalent on the Cubieboard?
<ssvb>
yes
<Vanfanel>
I used the simple triangle example included with sunxi MALI driver, and I saw no sunxi disp stuff there
<Vanfanel>
maybe in that example you just pointed me to?
<ssvb>
because dispmanx and sunxi disp have nothing to do with OpenGL ES
<ssvb>
this belongs to EGL (integration with the native window system), and there are many flavours of EGL
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: not directly with GLES, but at least Dispmanx has to be used (In the Pi, I know, it's just for comparision) to set up an EGL context
<ssvb>
there is X11 EGL, wayland EGL, dispmanx EGL, basic framebuffer EGL, ...
<Vanfanel>
Ok, so, for full screen, smooth-refresh EGL in Rpi-style, I need to use EGL+"sunxi disp"
<ssvb>
basic framebuffer EGL is naturally more simple than dispmanx
<ssvb>
not sure about EGL+"sunxi disp"
<ssvb>
with the mali framebuffer drivers, you get the blobs which support basic EGL (only fixed resolution fullscreen mode)
<Vanfanel>
aha, and the basic triangle example in Sunxi MALI is using basic framebuffer EGL, wich isn't well suited for what RetroArch needs if I want Rpi-like results, right?
<Vanfanel>
that example is for MALI or LIMA? both?
<ssvb>
compile it with -DMALI_FRAMEBUFFER_EGL option
<ssvb>
the native_window struct just configures the size of your output window, that's all that you have
<ssvb>
depending of what you configure there, you get the output scaled to this target rectangle
<Vanfanel>
yep, that's the same on the basic triangle example...
<ssvb>
in some way you may see it as the "scaling" feature
<ssvb>
yeah, it's the same as the triangle example, except that it is animated and you can easily see if you get tearing or not
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<Vanfanel>
great! Going to try it now. Give me a minute so I set up the board again :D
<ssvb>
about dispmanx bits, it's quite interesting that rpi people are littering free software with the rpi-specific hacks and then (other people) blame different hardware for not working with these hacks nicely :)
<ssvb>
so much for open standards
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: I'm not blaming different hardware, really! I'd LOVE to see the Cubie2 to do the same things regarding X-less EGL/GLES that the Rpi does, but I know it's a software lack of knowledge on my side, not the board's problem
<ssvb>
and also it's interesting how being X-less is an achievement :)
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<Vanfanel>
ssvb: well, it's because apps are less laggy on X-less APIs. For emulation purposes, there's a difference.
<ssvb>
X is a window system, you get multiple applications with multiple windows being able to run there at the same time
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: just try RetroArch on an X-based API and then do the same on KMS+EGL/GLES
<ssvb>
as long as the applications are as fast as without X, or just marginally slower, the people should not care
<Vanfanel>
and you'll see the difference
<Vanfanel>
But people cares. That's why RetroArch exists.
<Vanfanel>
It's a common API for emulators, with low-latency in mind.
<t3st3r>
[16:25:52] <ssvb> as long as the applications are as fast as without X, or just marginally slower, the people should not care <- AFAIK X stinks when it comes to drawing large bitmaps.
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: roughly 20% slower in glmark2-es2 (227 vs. 276)
<Vanfanel>
I read about your driver everytime it appears on Phoronix :D
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: the mali blob integration with x11 is not perfect, hopefully with the open source lima drivers, this overhead can be redced quite a lot
<ssvb>
Vanfanel: hmm, how many times has it appeared on Phoronix?
<ssvb>
I think it was just once
<Vanfanel>
several times, that's for sure
<Vanfanel>
when it started, then some status report
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<Vanfanel>
and lately when you surpased MALI's performance by a percentage
<ssvb>
it was not me :)
<ssvb>
libv from #lima is working on the reverse engineered open source driver
<Vanfanel>
what?? Are there more than one MALI400 FOSS driver in development then?
<Vanfanel>
oh god
<Vanfanel>
I mixed your nicks then!
<ssvb>
no, I'm just trying to make sure that x11 does not suck (much)
<Vanfanel>
oook, ok! So you're working on the X11 integration
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<ssvb>
yep
<Vanfanel>
and libv works on the driver side
<Vanfanel>
well, I will remember who's who this time! :)
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: I tried the example you pointed me to, test_glesv2.c
<Vanfanel>
at 1280x720, wich is my physical res, it locks the Cubie on exit
<ssvb>
hmm, what exactly is happening?
<Vanfanel>
There's an spining spiral appearing on screen
<Vanfanel>
then I just can't exit it
<Vanfanel>
Well, I can CTRL+C, but then it remains on screen
<ssvb>
that's the framebuffer for you :)
<Vanfanel>
yes, I know, but I need the framebuffer to be cleared upon exit
<Vanfanel>
any idea on how to do that?
<ssvb>
do you still have command prompt? can switch to other virtual terminals?
<Vanfanel>
yes, text will overwrite the last frame as it passes by the screen
<Vanfanel>
so I have terminals and ssh access
<ssvb>
maybe just fill the background with black before exiting?
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<Vanfanel>
then I will get a black screen :D
<ssvb>
as I said, that's the framebuffer for you, it is not a separate window which gets created and then destroyed
<wolfy>
dd if=/dev/white of=/dev/framebuffer !
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<ssvb>
or backup the framebuffer content before starting the application and then restore it when exiting
<Vanfanel>
yes, don't worry, I will fix that later
<wolfy>
that would be something less puzzling for users, indeed
<Vanfanel>
now for the example.. it has tearing
<Vanfanel>
it exhibits a clear tearing effect
<ssvb>
can you experiment with FBIO_WAITFORVSYNC (comment out this line)?
<Vanfanel>
yes, no problem
<ssvb>
without FBIO_WAITFORVSYNC you should get real tearing
<ssvb>
and please upgrade your kernel, we don't really know how buggy could be the one that you have in use now
<Vanfanel>
wow, but that's FAST! it draws as fast as it can so I can tell different areas being drawn :D
<Vanfanel>
ok, I will upgrade the kernel then
<Vanfanel>
You mean to a 3.4.x sunxi kernel, right?
<ssvb>
yes
<Vanfanel>
It's not a good idea to upgrade to 3.13-rc still, is it?
<ssvb>
3.13 is a work in progress mainlining effort, it is not feature complete yet
<Vanfanel>
ok
<ssvb>
no mali support there for sure :)
<Vanfanel>
ssvb: understood, sir. I will upgrade to the latest kernel (git clone, cross compile, etc) and then try these examples again
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<Vanfanel>
ssvb: should an ARMHF cross-compiler I set up for Rpi be usable to compile A20's kernel?
<zn414>
ssvb, where are you from ?
<zn414>
:)
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<Vanfanel>
sudo apt-get update
<Vanfanel>
oops, sorry!
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<wolfy>
can anyone with a cubietruck+linux+X pastebin the output of xrandr -q, please ? TIA.
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<utent>
hello, i am looking for 3D model of RJ45 connector? (yes, im already gone on https://grabcad.com to download one, but for i-dont-know-why th website dont alow me to register)
<utent>
if someone has, can provide me one?
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<Vanfanel>
but the resulting kernel, using default config, doesn't provide a working eth0
<Vanfanel>
any ideas what's going on??
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<AE7IK>
utent: Does it have to be for a specific RJ45 connector (male or female?), or will any do? Most manufacturers will provide a 3d step file for their products.
<utent>
AE7IK, the tipical RJ45 female connettor, i.e. the typre present on cubieboard
<utent>
type*
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<AE7IK>
Lots of vendors out there that make RJ45's, just find one on digikey, there's often 3d models there.
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<utent>
thjanks
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<Vanfanel>
ok, new kernel is now installed, but I'm missing kernel headers...
<Vanfanel>
so, where / how do I get headers for sunxi-kernel?
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<buZz>
utent: oooo, are you making a 3d model of cubie?
<buZz>
utent: did you see my 'fake cubieboard' on thingiverse?
<utent>
buzz, that "thing" is just a patchwork of cubes
<buZz>
yes
<buZz>
it only serves one purpose
<buZz>
clearance to make cubieboard cases
<buZz>
there have been 3 cases made around this model
<utent>
up to me, they shold not accept that lo level quality of thing.
<utent>
:)
<buZz>
utent: they have no acceptance
<utent>
ehehe
<buZz>
upload, done, its there
<utent>
i see
<buZz>
why do ppl expect someone pulling strings all the time :S
<buZz>
utent: anyway, curious to see your model when its done :)
<buZz>
do you have a purpose for it?
<utent>
what measn "pulling strings"?
<buZz>
'accepting uploads'
<utent>
buZz, we (me and others) are doing some 3d models
<buZz>
i understood this
<buZz>
i asked about the purpose ;)
<utent>
whe finisced, we will present the final job
<buZz>
so no purpose?
<utent>
because we wisyt to do a "professional" job, we need time
<buZz>
advertisment?
<utent>
ah the pourpose, yess i tell you
<utent>
we are developing a daughter board vor CB, so we need als CB 3D to create a videoclip
<buZz>
ah hehe, kickstart promovideo
<buZz>
right
<buZz>
what will the daughterboard do?
<jelly-home>
cake! Hopefully
<buZz>
:D
<buZz>
doubt that :P
<utent>
the board will give 2wifi, 2NIC, 2(or 4) usb
<buZz>
so, just a usb board?
<buZz>
why even put it as daughterboard then? there is no pins for wifi/ethernet is there?
<utent>
as soon as webpage ad video wiull be ready we will give meore dertails
<buZz>
cool
<buZz>
curious
<buZz>
is it opensource hardware?
<buZz>
else i will have to boycot it :D
<utent>
stay tuned then :-)
<utent>
wht do yu mean with "opensource hardware"?
<buZz>
provide gerbers + bom
<utent>
still not deceded
<utent>
there are more than one "head" involved, so...
<buZz>
ask bunnie for advise if you should opensource your board
<buZz>
;)
<utent>
bunnie the "novena" man?
<buZz>
<bunnie> yes YES YES!
<buZz>
yeah
<buZz>
opensource hardware lover
<buZz>
he fixed my alarmclock <3
<utent>
mm. i asked him to buy a nowena, no new since months and months... i think it is just and hobby, when novena will be ready, it will be based on a "old" soc and not worht to be bought
<buZz>
novena is only ment for his own use
<buZz>
he doesnt care if it becomes a product
<utent>
we dont. we want to do fast and sell.
<utent>
we will do indegogo campain foundrising
<buZz>
can you tell me
<buZz>
what is the purpose of 2 wifi interfaces?
<buZz>
instead of one
<utent>
2wifi to do "wifi" bridge, i.e. une to be Access Point, the second to be client of another access point.
<utent>
sounds good?
<buZz>
not really :D
<utent>
why?
<buZz>
i have WR703N for 16 usd ..
<buZz>
why do i need cubie to be AP?
<buZz>
for me this networkusb board sounds more like a cornercase thingy
<buZz>
you'll be lucky to sell 100 :)
<utent>
because you dont feel the need, it doenstm mean the same for all.
<buZz>
no i know
<utent>
i devevol it cos i want one, and hope it will be desiderable also by other people, just that.
<buZz>
i am just being honest :D
<utent>
ok
<utent>
:)
<buZz>
utent: but, all interfaces will connect through USB, right?
<utent>
yes
<buZz>
so 2x wifi + 2x ethernet on one usb port
<buZz>
that sucks
<buZz>
it will be slow :/
<utent>
let me develop the proptotype, do tests and publish the result, then you lill decide if it sucks or not.
<buZz>
hahaha sure
<buZz>
if you send me one i will tell you how hard it sucks
<buZz>
:D
<buZz>
hahaha
<utent>
it that kind of boaard pay-to-have, so you have to trust result ot buy and test by yourself :-)
<buZz>
hilarious :)
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<Vaij>
Hi
<Vaij>
I brought new cubitruck today unable to use my logitech k400
<Vaij>
please help
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<buZz>
what is a k400
<Vaij>
logitech wireless keyboard series k400
<buZz>
ah
<buZz>
did you compile your own kernel?
<buZz>
you need certain modules for this to work
<buZz>
something like usb hid or i dont know
<buZz>
plug into other linux machine to know ;)
<Vaij>
ok
<Vaij>
It works with other kinux
<Vaij>
linux*
<buZz>
then type 'lsmod' to see which modules are loaded
<buZz>
check if your kernel has these modules (they are in /lib/modules afaik)
<shineworld>
I pushed a bug in APP to test the ANR logging system
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<Vaij>
at login screen i see logi_dj_probe:hid_hw_start returned error