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<Schnabeltier>
what´s the difference between the mele a1000 and the a2000? some say there is an difference in flash-size, some say the size on both models is the same.. which one is true? and do they have a fan for cooling?
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<hackandfab>
Schnabeltier: they're the same, if you look at the images the white connectors are a little bit different and the external VGA pcb is diferente but it has no electronics (it's only the connector)
<Turl>
the sata part (cover or w/e) is different too I think
<Turl>
and I think they're both fanless, can't confirm though
<hackandfab>
schnabeltier: the white connectors at the mele A1000 are upwards and on the meleA2000 are at 90º but they use the same pins with the same 2mm spacing
<hackandfab>
the cover (plastic part) is different and the placement of VGA connector is different but it's on another PCB with cables to the main PCB without any aditional electronics.
<hackandfab>
Turl: they're both fanless
<Schnabeltier>
so electronics are the same, only the case/the sata connector on the top and the vga pcb(?) are different.. does the difference in the pcb´s mather in a way?
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<Schnabeltier>
or do you men the changed position on of the vga connector on the back?
<hipboi__>
finnally there are some "official" support for xbmc from allwinner
<lundman>
elucidate?
<hipboi__>
after the xbmc community member wrote lots of emails to allwinner
<lundman>
yes..
<lundman>
me too
<hipboi__>
thank you
<hipboi__>
they started to disscuss it
<lundman>
but since you just said that, makes me think there was JUST an announcement you know about, and I dont?
<hipboi__>
no
<hipboi__>
internal discussing
<lundman>
and they might be onboard?
<hipboi__>
yes, they will support gimli, i think
<hipboi__>
before i was personal action
<hipboi__>
which means i can not ask my workmate to fix the bug gimli pointed out
<hipboi__>
but now there are people in charge of that
<gimli>
unbelievable
<lundman>
thats great
<lundman>
because, quite frankly, I know a lot of people who would buy devices that can run xbmc
<lundman>
xbmc is considered THE mediaplayer software to try to reach for
<lundman>
(the UI layout is terrible btu still ) :)
<rm>
xbmc on android is aiming low
<lundman>
i personally think it is the way to go
<rm>
do it in the easiest way possible without trying to open other possibilities
<lundman>
as Google as selling and renting tv and movies on android
<lundman>
so in the near future, xbmc will buy the tv episode you want, then play it
<rm>
so people will settle for support for XBMC on Android and will not demand e.g. a proper Xorg driver
<rm>
is that really good long-term
<lundman>
whereas going down general linux and x11, is a dead end
<lundman>
:)
<rz2k>
noobish question: xbmc mentioned above is xbmc-android or xbmc on native linux?
<lundman>
android
* rz2k
buried hopes for cedar and mali
<Schnabeltier>
ordered a mele a2000 and a CX-01 stick, can´t wait for them to get here
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<ZaEarl>
xbmc looks pretty good, but without acceleration the a10 can't keep up with a simple 1 mbps stream.
<eFfeM_work>
I'm wondering if I want to use serial, do I need to connect the 3.3V ? I would expect the usb thingie to be fed over usb and that connecting tx, rx, gnd is enough
<eFfeM_work>
correct?
<RaYmAn>
generally with usb-to-ttl style devices, you don't need to connect 3.3v
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<lundman>
effem: it wont turn on if you connect 3.3v
<lundman>
so, only connect rx/tx/gnd
<lundman>
(assuming it is powered by usb)
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<CIA-122>
rhombus-tech: marcus master * r2943ceaf9e58 /allwinner_a10/orders/92083388.html:
<hno>
rm, the A10 core is an ARM Cortex A8, and many of the I/O blocks have third party origin.
<hno>
VE and the PIO is Allwinner I think.
<hno>
VE probably includes third-party blocks in both silicon and software.
<sspiff>
the first doesn't compile (compile warnings, could probably be fixed but I'm guessing there's a working tree already out there somewhere), and the AOSP I'm not using atm since it has no A10 devices stuff
<sspiff>
are there any device configurations other than the example zatab one hanging around?
<mnemoc>
there is an "example" device tree references in that page
<sspiff>
hmmm ZaEarl vs ZaTab, my spidersense says there's a relation between those two
<mnemoc>
:)
<ZaEarl>
ZaRight
<sspiff>
I'm currently installing ADB on my windows laptop (at work, we only get to use Linux on build servers -_-)
<sspiff>
so I can't get the drivers in my build env directly
<sspiff>
I'm starting a lobbyist group for individual linux machines here :)
<sspiff>
hmmm, the ZaTab seems, spec-wise, very similar to the Ainol tablets
<sspiff>
would your config work on those things as well?
<ZaEarl>
You'll find lots of similarity on all A10 devices.
<RITRedbeard>
This is a pretty off hand question, does anyone know of an e-reader that sports 2x e-ink screens?
<RITRedbeard>
I see some failure products with e-ink and that other technology... totally overpriced and bombed the market
<sspiff>
RITRedbeard: never heard of a 2 E-ink display reader
<mnemoc>
DX has been bringing tons of nice DIY stuff lately
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<hackandfab>
mnemoc: I looked at cdxalloc.o and the allocator.o and they're armel (arm ABI1 armv5) libraries. I had all armhf and they oviously don't work. so I recompiled the kernel to armel. I'm trying to boot and I missed something because it doesn't show anything via serial.
<thefrog>
that's one inexpensive bluetooth 2.0 dongle
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<mnemoc>
hackandfab: i have no idea what you are talking about
<hackandfab>
xDDD
<hackandfab>
ok, I tried to use cedar examples on my armhf mele and it didn't work, then I saw why, they're armel.
<thefrog>
mnemoc: your link is killing my post-lunch productivity
<mnemoc>
thefrog: :)
<mnemoc>
hackandfab: yes, we don't have armhf cedarx libraries
<hackandfab>
so I went back and made all armel but now the kernel doesn't boot. What command line parameters do you use to boot it from SD
<mnemoc>
the same you were using for a armhf userspace should work with an armel one
<mnemoc>
it's the same kernel anyway
<hackandfab>
ok ok then I did something wrong, I'll keep looking, thx.
<mnemoc>
yw
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<mnemoc>
thefrog: I saw 5 colors and many different sizes
<thefrog>
mnemoc: I was wondering if the LCD Dsipaly screens from the camera DIY section could connect to anything I have.
<thefrog>
I mean.. if the connectors of the screen match up to any of the sockets i have on various kits
<mnemoc>
doubtful... but probably making an adapter isn't that hard
<mnemoc>
thefrog: but don't forget LCD displays don't tell you how to use them :)
<mnemoc>
i mean, the bare panels
<mnemoc>
DX's new "please forgive the past" campain is nice :)
<thefrog>
roger that. everything is much easy.. right up to the point where you try to do it. Then it's hard.. or impossible.
<mnemoc>
:)
<mnemoc>
everyone says soldering is easy. I just can't
<thefrog>
My father in law does all the soldering.
<thefrog>
he's a retired goldsmith/jewler
<mnemoc>
nice
<thefrog>
He can out-solder the machines... fixes surface mount stuff on the first-run stuff all the time.
<thefrog>
specing: the machine you unplugged. not cleaning that.
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<thefrog>
specing: weak joke
<Mazon>
mailing list down ?
<Mazon>
or just really quiet?
<mnemoc>
Mazon: send a test mail
<Mazon>
that'd require me to do something :)
<mnemoc>
you already did something by asking here
<Mazon>
*grumble*
<Mazon>
did something come through ?
<Mazon>
yay - incoming pi, about time
<mnemoc>
Mazon: not yet
<mnemoc>
seems it's indeed down
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<j1nx>
evening guys
<mnemoc>
moin j1nx
<j1nx>
anything interesting happening?
<j1nx>
outside the xbmc scene ofcourse
<j1nx>
did not check back for a while, but how is that A13 board getting along?
<mnemoc>
last week Tsvetan posted the routing was finished...
<mnemoc>
12x12cm
<mnemoc>
beside that, no idea
<thefrog>
j1nx: i've had that disco inferno in my head all day. glad you had backups
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<j1nx>
12x12?
<j1nx>
thefrog: Jep me too, the good thing was it was brand new from the last night and the smoke started ~1 hour after I created the automatic DB backup
<j1nx>
So only had to quickly reinstall the esxi and get the VM back up
<j1nx>
did not needed the DB backup as the DB is on a seperate dedicate drive
<j1nx>
Had two disks in. one as esxi boot which was kind of a waste, the second for the vm's
<j1nx>
now boot from usb as the whole OS run in mem anyway and use the other good disks for the vms
<j1nx>
the third disk was already dedicated for the DB to prevent I/O delys
<j1nx>
Really like the change to mITX the Olinuxino made
<j1nx>
hope, they are up for sale soon
<j1nx>
Any news on them working on the sun6i stuff?
<mnemoc>
Mazon: arrived :)
<mnemoc>
j1nx: who is "them"?
<mnemoc>
j1nx: sun6i hasn't even been announced yet, from there to let an small maker like olimex to put their hands on it will take a looooooooong time
<j1nx>
the people of olimex and I meant the A13 stuff
<j1nx>
sun5i
<mnemoc>
j1nx: olimex doesn't do software, they give free boards to free software developers so the do it
<mnemoc>
which is *awesome*
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<mnemoc>
other manufacturers should do the same too
<j1nx>
mnemoc: So you will get one for free then :D
<mnemoc>
and hno too
<mnemoc>
but afaik he will make around 6 prototypes, so there will be more freebies
<Mazon>
afaik, its not free? - it's discount on future purchases... reason being they've been burned multipole times by people not completing the projects
<j1nx>
some people should get it for free to speed up the development
<j1nx>
mnemoc, hno and ....
<j1nx>
turl, maybe
<j1nx>
do I forget anybody?
<thefrog>
china post airmail to US is 7-14 days... today is day 9 (calendar not business). Must Be Patient.
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<Turl>
woot my mele is now on .ar :)
<mnemoc>
Turl: :D
<Turl>
and so is my relay card :D
<Turl>
eh hm wtf
<Turl>
mnemoc: my kernel build broke? o.O
<mnemoc>
your fault
<Turl>
drivers/built-in.o: In function `Fb_ioctl':
<Turl>
/root/zatab/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:1105: undefined reference to `ump_dd_secure_id_get'
<Turl>
drivers/built-in.o: In function `Fb_open':
<Turl>
/root/zatab/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:763: undefined reference to `ump_dd_handle_create_from_phys_blocks'
<mnemoc>
Turl: mali enabled?
<mnemoc>
uhm.... you build android... you shouldn't get ump integration
<mnemoc>
check CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_UMP_SUN4I is undefined
<Turl>
oldconfig does +CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_UMP_SUN4I=y
<mnemoc>
uhm
<Turl>
why is it default y?
<mnemoc>
the depend on does the trick
<mnemoc>
or did
<Turl>
depends on MALI && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I
<mnemoc>
- depends on MALI=m && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=m
<mnemoc>
+ depends on MALI && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I
<mnemoc>
blame hno
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<mnemoc>
Turl: restore the LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=m
<Turl>
I still don't get what's the difference
<Turl>
I personally use it =y but I could as well use =m?
<mnemoc>
Turl: mali only builds as m
<mnemoc>
if LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I is built-in it misses symbols
<Turl>
ahh
<Turl>
yeah get it now :)
<mnemoc>
so ump integration is incompatible with LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=y
<Turl>
yep got it now
<RaYmAn>
misses symbols? Shouldn't it be possible to force-export them?
<mnemoc>
in the case of mali we prefer to minimize the changes
<mnemoc>
but yes, it's annoying that you need the whole disp thing as m if you want X11 integration
<WarheadsSE>
when it boots, it boots fine. When it does, its all kinda of random fail
<Turl>
WarheadsSE: crappy ram? idk
<WarheadsSE>
I am certainly not ruling that out.
<Turl>
mnemoc: the ignore atag thing worked ok last I tried; I didn't try the new mali stuff but it should work
<WarheadsSE>
but If i go back to 3.0.8, works just fine.
<Turl>
mnemoc: I'd say merge it
<mnemoc>
WarheadsSE: 3.0.8 = closed tree, with hacks we don't have
<Turl>
mnemoc: btw, "...yet", I doubt you can have configurable mali size , the address & size is hardcoded on the userspace egl libs
<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: sucky.
<mnemoc>
Turl: why the f* do they need to hardcode that address in the userspace driver?!
<Turl>
mnemoc: who knows, but they do
<Turl>
mnemoc: and what's worst, they check the address on the kernelspace UMP and print a huge warning :D so it must not be due to performance reasons
<mnemoc>
:(
<mnemoc>
I made several experiemnts or removing the fixup hack... no luck :(
<mnemoc>
for*
<mnemoc>
but always assuming we need to keep the blessed address
<Turl>
yeah we need
<Turl>
I actually moved it to the end of my 1GB
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<Turl>
and saw all the craptastic warnings >.<
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<mnemoc>
only warnings or it actually failed?
<Turl>
yeah, warnings and failures
<Turl>
stuff like
<Turl>
"we got a request for 0xsomething but it's not on the memory space we handle, bailing out!"
<Turl>
on ~10 line, ****-bordered boxes on dmesg
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<mnemoc>
:(
<hno>
mnemoc, are you serious? disp missing symbols because it's built in but available when built as module?
<mnemoc>
hno: yes. mali/x11 needs fb/ump integration, but ump is m only
<mnemoc>
hno: so we can't have mali/x11 with built-in fb
<mnemoc>
and that CONFIG_ does handles it
<mnemoc>
s/and/so/
<ibot>
mnemoc meant: so that CONFIG_ does handles it
<mnemoc>
err... damn
<hno>
isn't UMP a separate module?
<mnemoc>
yes
<mnemoc>
you want to try to get ump y-able?
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<hno>
Rather decouple disp from ump I think.
<mnemoc>
afaik that was the only way Tom managed to get X11/mali starting
<RaYmAn>
How far is "our" mali from e.g. the ones linaro support? As in, should it be possible to switch out the kernel interface to be "stock"?
<xxiao_>
what is ump
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: the kernel driver is "stock" + config.h + platform.c
<mnemoc>
config.h defines the resources, platform.c the integration
<RaYmAn>
okay
<mnemoc>
the main problem is that you need their DDK (restricted) to compile the driver
<mnemoc>
linaro has it, allwinner has it, we don't
<RaYmAn>
hm
<mnemoc>
and hipboi's spare time at work to actually try to learn the DDK and get the x11 driver working is.... limited
<RaYmAn>
yeah :/
<RaYmAn>
so we can't use the pre-compiled userspace drivers?
<mnemoc>
nope, we need was made for A10
<RaYmAn>
damn
<mnemoc>
it doesn't even allow us to change the reserved memory address
<mnemoc>
but it's working... even armhf
<mnemoc>
it's just that we don't have much room for making improvements
<RaYmAn>
accel working now as well?
<mnemoc>
don't know
<mnemoc>
i happy with X11 starting :p
<mnemoc>
hipboi sent a free mele to a guy in ARM to try to improve the situation
<RaYmAn>
heh
<mnemoc>
sunxi-v3.0.36-r1 tagged, 3.0-v2 upgraded to 3.0.38
<hno>
The FB UMP entanglement is just for one single ioctl, and registering the fb with ump.
<WarheadsSE>
" a guy in ARM" ?
<WarheadsSE>
accel would certainly be nice, but I have xfce4 & mesa-demos working
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<Turl>
Scepterr: ohai
<Scepterr>
boo
<Scepterr>
anybody started on jb for A10 ?
<Turl>
Scepterr: I have it running
<Turl>
:P
<Scepterr>
oh awesome
<Turl>
just no multimedia capabilities :P
<Scepterr>
oh
<Scepterr>
well thats fail
<Scepterr>
go sit in the corner
<Turl>
Scepterr: the multimedia stuff is a stagefright replacement
<Scepterr>
omx on cm9?
<Turl>
not omx
<Scepterr>
ph god
<Scepterr>
oh*
<Turl>
but you got a way to play angry birds on your big screen
<Turl>
see it that way :P
<Scepterr>
already have a dozen ways
<Scepterr>
including my tv running it natively
<Turl>
o.O
<Scepterr>
uses phone or tablet for controller
<Turl>
google SW codecs are decent btw
<Scepterr>
yah but not for my 720/1080p mkvs
<Turl>
yeah
<Scepterr>
love that my raspberrypi plays 1080p without skipping beat
<Turl>
Scepterr: rpi last I checked was like 50 :x
<Turl>
with the 35 + shipping + case
<Scepterr>
add an amp = Nexus Q
<mnemoc>
$35? it says 77....
<Scepterr>
s/$35/77
<Scepterr>
:)
<Turl>
be back in a bit
<WarheadsSE>
looks very similar to the A100
<WarheadsSE>
but ina more slimline box
<Scepterr>
you guys try chromium on it ?
<WarheadsSE>
Hexxeh spends a lot of time in our channel
<Hexxeh>
idle hard erryday
<Mazon>
anywhere in the EU you can buy a mele ?
<Scepterr>
oo Arch support for A10
<mnemoc>
Mazon: if you buy it directly from hipboi using paypal you can get it shipped using sweden post and it's much faster than china post
<Mazon>
and costly?
<mnemoc>
same price that on his aliexpress shop afaik
<mnemoc>
the reason is that aliexpress doesn't support that shipping method, and so they don't pay him
<Mazon>
15$ shipping via sweden post ?
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<mnemoc>
mail him and ask :) mr.hipboi gmail com
<Mazon>
why the hell is the noarmal a2000 ~ 15$ shipping but the one which includes debugging ~ 22$ shipping? - surely it's not much bigget to ship ? :)
<Mazon>
a2000 > a1000 ?
<mnemoc>
nicer case
<Mazon>
same internals and shit ?
<mnemoc>
the main board, yes
<mnemoc>
it has an small board to relocate the VGA connector
<Turl>
gotta go, and gotta go quick :D cya later all
<hno>
"hardware drivers .. that support building, testing, and producing web and mobile apps"???
<hno>
interesting that dell runs such projed, but it's really two projects. Getting full support for the hardware, and getting selecting the right software meeting the intended developer audience needs.
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<hno>
but wtf.. 720p display.
<hno>
how is a web developer going to fit both webpage, firebug, eclipse java debugger etc without going nuts?
<hno>
and it's not arm.
<mnemoc>
I'll probably keep my 11.6" E350 thinkpad until a similar ARM-based device comes out
<mnemoc>
eoma68 or quad imx6
<mnemoc>
or quad imx6-eoma68 :p
<ZaEarl>
Typical Dell. Take a laptop off the end of the Windows production line, install Ubuntu onto it, and call it an Ubuntu laptop.
<ZaEarl>
They tried that once before. They shipped an "Ubuntu laptop" that had no touchpad drivers.
<Manofthe1ea>
sure. Try to get Windows to lower their OEM price.
<mnemoc>
in many countries they have never sold windows-less devices
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<hno>
With the "addons" shipped with a dell I doubt they end up paying anything for the Windows license.
<penguin42>
oh, I love Google Translate
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<WarheadsSE>
Scepterr: yes, Arch will be "on" the A10 soon enough, officially. I just need to package up the kernel/UMP/xf86-video for it
<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: I am looking forward to the Nitrogen6