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<Schnabeltier> what´s the difference between the mele a1000 and the a2000? some say there is an difference in flash-size, some say the size on both models is the same.. which one is true? and do they have a fan for cooling?
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<hackandfab> Schnabeltier: they're the same, if you look at the images the white connectors are a little bit different and the external VGA pcb is diferente but it has no electronics (it's only the connector)
<Turl> the sata part (cover or w/e) is different too I think
<Turl> and I think they're both fanless, can't confirm though
<hackandfab> schnabeltier: the white connectors at the mele A1000 are upwards and on the meleA2000 are at 90º but they use the same pins with the same 2mm spacing
<hackandfab> the cover (plastic part) is different and the placement of VGA connector is different but it's on another PCB with cables to the main PCB without any aditional electronics.
<hackandfab> Turl: they're both fanless
<Schnabeltier> so electronics are the same, only the case/the sata connector on the top and the vga pcb(?) are different.. does the difference in the pcb´s mather in a way?
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<Schnabeltier> or do you men the changed position on of the vga connector on the back?
<CIA-122> rhombus-tech: chat master * r7f4e11068f25 /ikiwiki/openid/discussion.html: chatmar
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<hackandfab> <Schnabeltier> go to linux-sunxi.org and look at the images
* hackandfab breakfast...
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<rm> btw
<rm> was the A10 fully developed by Allwinner?
<lundman> wifi is realtek
<rm> i.e. the ARM core is theirs from scratch, and only the instruction set is licensed from ARM?
<lundman> nic is wemac from davicom
<lundman> :)
<rm> I mean the core
<rm> I know ARM licenses soft cores, hard cores and... just the ISA
<specing> no, the core is licensed too
<lundman> arm7 no?
<rm> and afaik at least Tegra only uses the ISA
<rm> with the actual CPU design made completely by nVidia
<rm> ok, so A10 uses the ready-made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A8 by ARM
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<CIA-122> rhombus-tech: chat master * r7e30abb16d1c /allwinner_a10/orders/chatmar.mdwn: chatmar
<hipboi__> finnally there are some "official" support for xbmc from allwinner
<lundman> elucidate?
<hipboi__> after the xbmc community member wrote lots of emails to allwinner
<lundman> yes..
<lundman> me too
<hipboi__> thank you
<hipboi__> they started to disscuss it
<lundman> but since you just said that, makes me think there was JUST an announcement you know about, and I dont?
<hipboi__> no
<hipboi__> internal discussing
<lundman> and they might be onboard?
<hipboi__> yes, they will support gimli, i think
<hipboi__> before i was personal action
<hipboi__> which means i can not ask my workmate to fix the bug gimli pointed out
<hipboi__> but now there are people in charge of that
<gimli> unbelievable
<lundman> thats great
<lundman> because, quite frankly, I know a lot of people who would buy devices that can run xbmc
<lundman> xbmc is considered THE mediaplayer software to try to reach for
<lundman> (the UI layout is terrible btu still ) :)
<rm> xbmc on android is aiming low
<lundman> i personally think it is the way to go
<rm> do it in the easiest way possible without trying to open other possibilities
<lundman> as Google as selling and renting tv and movies on android
<lundman> so in the near future, xbmc will buy the tv episode you want, then play it
<rm> so people will settle for support for XBMC on Android and will not demand e.g. a proper Xorg driver
<rm> is that really good long-term
<lundman> whereas going down general linux and x11, is a dead end
<lundman> :)
<rz2k> noobish question: xbmc mentioned above is xbmc-android or xbmc on native linux?
<lundman> android
* rz2k buried hopes for cedar and mali
<Schnabeltier> ordered a mele a2000 and a CX-01 stick, can´t wait for them to get here
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<ZaEarl> xbmc looks pretty good, but without acceleration the a10 can't keep up with a simple 1 mbps stream.
<eFfeM_work> I'm wondering if I want to use serial, do I need to connect the 3.3V ? I would expect the usb thingie to be fed over usb and that connecting tx, rx, gnd is enough
<eFfeM_work> correct?
<RaYmAn> generally with usb-to-ttl style devices, you don't need to connect 3.3v
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<lundman> effem: it wont turn on if you connect 3.3v
<lundman> so, only connect rx/tx/gnd
<lundman> (assuming it is powered by usb)
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<CIA-122> rhombus-tech: marcus master * r2943ceaf9e58 /allwinner_a10/orders/92083388.html:
<hno> rm, the A10 core is an ARM Cortex A8, and many of the I/O blocks have third party origin.
<hno> VE and the PIO is Allwinner I think.
<hno> VE probably includes third-party blocks in both silicon and software.
<RITRedbeard> Is this applicable to the MK802? http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/
<hno> The I/O blocks have been reused for several CPU generations with slight modifications. A10 is the first where main focus is on Linux.
<hno> RITRedbeard, yes it should be.
<hno> but u-boot SPL is still missing configuration for 1GB memory.
<RITRedbeard> are there images ready to flash with the partitioning already done?
<RITRedbeard> or do you still need to blast the sd card with dd?
<RaYmAn> yeah, it needs some special data at specific block offsets
* RITRedbeard scratches head
<RITRedbeard> i'll figure it out
<RITRedbeard> if not I'll whine later :)
<rm> RITRedbeard, any Mele image will work
<rm> https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/2/topics/1 <- here's some specifically for the MK802
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<RITRedbeard> rm, thanks, will give it a shot later
<rm> I'm waiting for my 2nd MK802 to arrive
<rm> to make and test a debian armhf minimal "server" image
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<mnemoc> rm: do you also suffer https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/46 ? a panic on cpufreq on the 3.0-v2 branch
<rm> no
<mnemoc> :(
<mnemoc> well... I mean. great :)
<mnemoc> but I can't use to test fixes :p
<mnemoc> use you*
<rm> replied
<rm> 17:13:14 up 14 days, 16:30, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.04, 1.05
<rm> frequency should be within 300 MHz and 1.01 GHz. The governor "ondemand"... current CPU frequency is 300 MHz (asserted by call to hardware).
<rm> I am not a good tester until I get my second MK802 (should be "any week now", lawl)
<specing> SECOND?!
<rm> sure
<rm> imagine a beowulf cluster of MK802s
<specing> hmm
* specing is waiting for quad core ARM servers for mortals
<RITRedbeard> it's weird
<rm> the A10 is perfectly adequate for a home server
<RITRedbeard> because in AMD K6 and K6-2 I see RISC type predictive branching
<RITRedbeard> they even say it such in the nomenclature
<specing> rm: already have an AMD Geode occupying that position
<rm> Alix?
<RITRedbeard> well I mean modern CISC processors implement RISC architecture choices and have for a long time
<RITRedbeard> and ARM isn't exactly CISC
<RITRedbeard> I'm not a computer engineer but it's interesting
<specing> rm: 2d13
<RITRedbeard> the power consumption savings at a smaller node will be especially interesting
<rm> 3 LAN is certainly awesoem
<rm> me
<specing> they dont seem to be active anymore
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<sspiff> hello hello
<sspiff> anyone working on MK802 or other A10 based hardware here?
<ZaEarl> That pretty much covers everyone in here. :)
<mnemoc> :)
<sspiff> ah cool :)
<sspiff> I'm trying to use the MK802 for a prototype at work, but I'm having a little trouble getting a working android build env
<sspiff> I've got three versions checked out, one based on https://github.com/allwinner-ics, one on the AOSP, and one following http://linux-sunxi.org/Starting_a_CyanogenMod_device_tree
<sspiff> the first doesn't compile (compile warnings, could probably be fixed but I'm guessing there's a working tree already out there somewhere), and the AOSP I'm not using atm since it has no A10 devices stuff
<sspiff> are there any device configurations other than the example zatab one hanging around?
<mnemoc> there is an "example" device tree references in that page
<sspiff> hmmm ZaEarl vs ZaTab, my spidersense says there's a relation between those two
<mnemoc> :)
<ZaEarl> ZaRight
<sspiff> I'm currently installing ADB on my windows laptop (at work, we only get to use Linux on build servers -_-)
<sspiff> so I can't get the drivers in my build env directly
<sspiff> I'm starting a lobbyist group for individual linux machines here :)
<sspiff> hmmm, the ZaTab seems, spec-wise, very similar to the Ainol tablets
<sspiff> would your config work on those things as well?
<ZaEarl> You'll find lots of similarity on all A10 devices.
<RITRedbeard> This is a pretty off hand question, does anyone know of an e-reader that sports 2x e-ink screens?
<RITRedbeard> I see some failure products with e-ink and that other technology... totally overpriced and bombed the market
<sspiff> RITRedbeard: never heard of a 2 E-ink display reader
<ZaEarl> ZaTab config is a good place to start. http://linux-sunxi.org/Building_CyanogenMod_for_ZaTab will give you a start.
<RITRedbeard> you think they'd have by now
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<mnemoc> uh, github showed me the angry pink unicorn again :(
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<RaYmAn> mnemoc: this time...it's personal! :P
<mnemoc> :D
<mnemoc> have you seen it before? it's scary
<RaYmAn> heh
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<mnemoc> DX has been bringing tons of nice DIY stuff lately
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<hackandfab> mnemoc: I looked at cdxalloc.o and the allocator.o and they're armel (arm ABI1 armv5) libraries. I had all armhf and they oviously don't work. so I recompiled the kernel to armel. I'm trying to boot and I missed something because it doesn't show anything via serial.
<thefrog> that's one inexpensive bluetooth 2.0 dongle
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<mnemoc> hackandfab: i have no idea what you are talking about
<hackandfab> xDDD
<hackandfab> ok, I tried to use cedar examples on my armhf mele and it didn't work, then I saw why, they're armel.
<thefrog> mnemoc: your link is killing my post-lunch productivity
<mnemoc> thefrog: :)
<mnemoc> hackandfab: yes, we don't have armhf cedarx libraries
<hackandfab> so I went back and made all armel but now the kernel doesn't boot. What command line parameters do you use to boot it from SD
<mnemoc> the same you were using for a armhf userspace should work with an armel one
<mnemoc> it's the same kernel anyway
<hackandfab> ok ok then I did something wrong, I'll keep looking, thx.
<mnemoc> yw
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<mnemoc> thefrog: I saw 5 colors and many different sizes
<thefrog> mnemoc: I was wondering if the LCD Dsipaly screens from the camera DIY section could connect to anything I have.
<thefrog> I mean.. if the connectors of the screen match up to any of the sockets i have on various kits
<mnemoc> doubtful... but probably making an adapter isn't that hard
<mnemoc> thefrog: but don't forget LCD displays don't tell you how to use them :)
<mnemoc> i mean, the bare panels
<mnemoc> DX's new "please forgive the past" campain is nice :)
<thefrog> roger that. everything is much easy.. right up to the point where you try to do it. Then it's hard.. or impossible.
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> everyone says soldering is easy. I just can't
<thefrog> My father in law does all the soldering.
<thefrog> he's a retired goldsmith/jewler
<mnemoc> nice
<thefrog> He can out-solder the machines... fixes surface mount stuff on the first-run stuff all the time.
<thefrog> i can't solder at all.
<mnemoc> :)
<specing> I can out-solder the machines too!
* specing pulls the plug*
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<specing> There, outsoldered!
<CIA-122> rhombus-tech: chat master * re35a07efd239 /allwinner_a10/orders/chatmar.mdwn:
<thefrog> specing: i'm not cleaning that
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<specing> thefrog: wut?
<thefrog> specing: the machine you unplugged. not cleaning that.
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<thefrog> specing: weak joke
<Mazon> mailing list down ?
<Mazon> or just really quiet?
<mnemoc> Mazon: send a test mail
<Mazon> that'd require me to do something :)
<mnemoc> you already did something by asking here
<Mazon> *grumble*
<Mazon> did something come through ?
<Mazon> yay - incoming pi, about time
<mnemoc> Mazon: not yet
<mnemoc> seems it's indeed down
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<j1nx> evening guys
<mnemoc> moin j1nx
<j1nx> anything interesting happening?
<j1nx> outside the xbmc scene ofcourse
<j1nx> did not check back for a while, but how is that A13 board getting along?
<mnemoc> last week Tsvetan posted the routing was finished...
<mnemoc> 12x12cm
<mnemoc> beside that, no idea
<thefrog> j1nx: i've had that disco inferno in my head all day. glad you had backups
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<j1nx> 12x12?
<j1nx> thefrog: Jep me too, the good thing was it was brand new from the last night and the smoke started ~1 hour after I created the automatic DB backup
<j1nx> So only had to quickly reinstall the esxi and get the VM back up
<j1nx> did not needed the DB backup as the DB is on a seperate dedicate drive
<thefrog> we run all our esxi from flash cards
<j1nx> I now from usb stick
<thefrog> nice. who was the drive mfr?
<j1nx> seacrape
<j1nx> Had two disks in. one as esxi boot which was kind of a waste, the second for the vm's
<j1nx> now boot from usb as the whole OS run in mem anyway and use the other good disks for the vms
<j1nx> the third disk was already dedicated for the DB to prevent I/O delys
<j1nx> Really like the change to mITX the Olinuxino made
<j1nx> hope, they are up for sale soon
<j1nx> Any news on them working on the sun6i stuff?
<mnemoc> Mazon: arrived :)
<mnemoc> j1nx: who is "them"?
<mnemoc> j1nx: sun6i hasn't even been announced yet, from there to let an small maker like olimex to put their hands on it will take a looooooooong time
<j1nx> the people of olimex and I meant the A13 stuff
<j1nx> sun5i
<mnemoc> j1nx: olimex doesn't do software, they give free boards to free software developers so the do it
<mnemoc> which is *awesome*
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<mnemoc> other manufacturers should do the same too
<j1nx> mnemoc: So you will get one for free then :D
<mnemoc> and hno too
<mnemoc> but afaik he will make around 6 prototypes, so there will be more freebies
<Mazon> afaik, its not free? - it's discount on future purchases... reason being they've been burned multipole times by people not completing the projects
<j1nx> some people should get it for free to speed up the development
<j1nx> mnemoc, hno and ....
<j1nx> turl, maybe
<j1nx> do I forget anybody?
<thefrog> china post airmail to US is 7-14 days... today is day 9 (calendar not business). Must Be Patient.
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<Turl> woot my mele is now on .ar :)
<mnemoc> Turl: :D
<Turl> and so is my relay card :D
<Turl> eh hm wtf
<Turl> mnemoc: my kernel build broke? o.O
<mnemoc> your fault
<Turl> drivers/built-in.o: In function `Fb_ioctl':
<Turl> /root/zatab/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:1105: undefined reference to `ump_dd_secure_id_get'
<Turl> drivers/built-in.o: In function `Fb_open':
<Turl> /root/zatab/linux-allwinner/drivers/video/sun4i/disp/dev_fb.c:763: undefined reference to `ump_dd_handle_create_from_phys_blocks'
<mnemoc> Turl: mali enabled?
<mnemoc> uhm.... you build android... you shouldn't get ump integration
<mnemoc> check CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_UMP_SUN4I is undefined
<Turl> oldconfig does +CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_UMP_SUN4I=y
<mnemoc> uhm
<Turl> why is it default y?
<mnemoc> the depend on does the trick
<mnemoc> or did
<Turl> depends on MALI && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I
<mnemoc> - depends on MALI=m && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=m
<mnemoc> + depends on MALI && LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I
<mnemoc> blame hno
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<mnemoc> Turl: restore the LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=m
<Turl> I still don't get what's the difference
<Turl> I personally use it =y but I could as well use =m?
<mnemoc> Turl: mali only builds as m
<mnemoc> if LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I is built-in it misses symbols
<Turl> ahh
<Turl> yeah get it now :)
<mnemoc> so ump integration is incompatible with LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I=y
<Turl> yep got it now
<RaYmAn> misses symbols? Shouldn't it be possible to force-export them?
<mnemoc> in the case of mali we prefer to minimize the changes
<mnemoc> but yes, it's annoying that you need the whole disp thing as m if you want X11 integration
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: patch? :)
<RaYmAn> mnemoc: might do - it's hard to tell what's good ideas :P (and what's been ruled out)
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: the only restriction is that android people needs built-in fb, but they don't need ump integration
<RaYmAn> doesn't hurt to have a few extra symbols defined though
<RaYmAn> :)
<mnemoc> and that mali only supports 'm'
<RaYmAn> is that due to load order?
<RaYmAn> or unknown?
<mnemoc> for me, unknown
<RaYmAn> 'k
<mnemoc> there are too many areas and need fixing to worry much about those that work :p
<mnemoc> s/and/that/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: there are too many areas that need fixing to worry much about those that work :p
<RaYmAn> heh
<Turl> android doesn't *need* it built in afaik
<RaYmAn> I hope to get more involved once I actually have a tab
<Turl> I just prefer it that way :) I don't like having over 9000 insmod lines on the init script :P
<RaYmAn> mk802 really isn't that good of a dev platform :P
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> Turl: can I merge the wip/3.0/mem branch?
<mnemoc> note the new ignore_atag_mem option
<Turl> link?
<WarheadsSE> busy in here, good
<WarheadsSE> Any clues as to why my 3.0.36 build might have a really bad habit of crapping out on paging requests?
<WarheadsSE> when it boots, it boots fine. When it does, its all kinda of random fail
<Turl> WarheadsSE: crappy ram? idk
<WarheadsSE> I am certainly not ruling that out.
<Turl> mnemoc: the ignore atag thing worked ok last I tried; I didn't try the new mali stuff but it should work
<WarheadsSE> but If i go back to 3.0.8, works just fine.
<Turl> mnemoc: I'd say merge it
<mnemoc> WarheadsSE: 3.0.8 = closed tree, with hacks we don't have
<Turl> mnemoc: btw, "...yet", I doubt you can have configurable mali size , the address & size is hardcoded on the userspace egl libs
<WarheadsSE> mnemoc: sucky.
<mnemoc> Turl: why the f* do they need to hardcode that address in the userspace driver?!
<Turl> mnemoc: who knows, but they do
<Turl> mnemoc: and what's worst, they check the address on the kernelspace UMP and print a huge warning :D so it must not be due to performance reasons
<mnemoc> :(
<mnemoc> I made several experiemnts or removing the fixup hack... no luck :(
<mnemoc> for*
<mnemoc> but always assuming we need to keep the blessed address
<Turl> yeah we need
<Turl> I actually moved it to the end of my 1GB
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<Turl> and saw all the craptastic warnings >.<
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<mnemoc> only warnings or it actually failed?
<Turl> yeah, warnings and failures
<Turl> stuff like
<Turl> "we got a request for 0xsomething but it's not on the memory space we handle, bailing out!"
<Turl> on ~10 line, ****-bordered boxes on dmesg
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<mnemoc> :(
<hno> mnemoc, are you serious? disp missing symbols because it's built in but available when built as module?
<mnemoc> hno: yes. mali/x11 needs fb/ump integration, but ump is m only
<mnemoc> hno: so we can't have mali/x11 with built-in fb
<mnemoc> and that CONFIG_ does handles it
<mnemoc> s/and/so/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: so that CONFIG_ does handles it
<mnemoc> err... damn
<hno> isn't UMP a separate module?
<mnemoc> yes
<mnemoc> you want to try to get ump y-able?
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<hno> Rather decouple disp from ump I think.
<mnemoc> afaik that was the only way Tom managed to get X11/mali starting
<RaYmAn> How far is "our" mali from e.g. the ones linaro support? As in, should it be possible to switch out the kernel interface to be "stock"?
<xxiao_> what is ump
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: the kernel driver is "stock" + config.h + platform.c
<mnemoc> config.h defines the resources, platform.c the integration
<RaYmAn> okay
<mnemoc> the main problem is that you need their DDK (restricted) to compile the driver
<mnemoc> linaro has it, allwinner has it, we don't
<RaYmAn> hm
<mnemoc> and hipboi's spare time at work to actually try to learn the DDK and get the x11 driver working is.... limited
<RaYmAn> yeah :/
<RaYmAn> so we can't use the pre-compiled userspace drivers?
<mnemoc> nope, we need was made for A10
<RaYmAn> damn
<mnemoc> it doesn't even allow us to change the reserved memory address
<mnemoc> but it's working... even armhf
<mnemoc> it's just that we don't have much room for making improvements
<RaYmAn> accel working now as well?
<mnemoc> don't know
<mnemoc> i happy with X11 starting :p
<mnemoc> hipboi sent a free mele to a guy in ARM to try to improve the situation
<RaYmAn> heh
<mnemoc> sunxi-v3.0.36-r1 tagged, 3.0-v2 upgraded to 3.0.38
<hno> The FB UMP entanglement is just for one single ioctl, and registering the fb with ump.
<WarheadsSE> " a guy in ARM" ?
<WarheadsSE> accel would certainly be nice, but I have xfce4 & mesa-demos working
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<Turl> Scepterr: ohai
<Scepterr> boo
<Scepterr> anybody started on jb for A10 ?
<Turl> Scepterr: I have it running
<Turl> :P
<Scepterr> oh awesome
<Turl> just no multimedia capabilities :P
<Scepterr> oh
<Scepterr> well thats fail
<Scepterr> go sit in the corner
<Turl> Scepterr: the multimedia stuff is a stagefright replacement
<Scepterr> omx on cm9?
<Turl> not omx
<Scepterr> ph god
<Scepterr> oh*
<Turl> but you got a way to play angry birds on your big screen
<Turl> see it that way :P
<Scepterr> already have a dozen ways
<Scepterr> including my tv running it natively
<Turl> o.O
<Scepterr> uses phone or tablet for controller
<Turl> google SW codecs are decent btw
<Scepterr> yah but not for my 720/1080p mkvs
<Turl> yeah
<Scepterr> love that my raspberrypi plays 1080p without skipping beat
<Turl> anyway, for all the rest who are probably wtf'ing @ our conversation, Scepterr is also a CM guy, and bought an A10 https://www.dealextreme.com/p/h24-mini-android-4-1-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-tf-av-black-4gb-143255
<WarheadsSE> gpu ftw with the right codecs
<Scepterr> couldnt say no to that for $35
<Turl> Scepterr: rpi last I checked was like 50 :x
<Turl> with the 35 + shipping + case
<Scepterr> add an amp = Nexus Q
<mnemoc> $35? it says 77....
<Scepterr> s/$35/77
<Scepterr> :)
<Turl> be back in a bit
<WarheadsSE> looks very similar to the A100
<WarheadsSE> but ina more slimline box
<Scepterr> you guys try chromium on it ?
<WarheadsSE> Hexxeh spends a lot of time in our channel
<Hexxeh> idle hard erryday
<Mazon> anywhere in the EU you can buy a mele ?
<Scepterr> oo Arch support for A10
<mnemoc> Mazon: if you buy it directly from hipboi using paypal you can get it shipped using sweden post and it's much faster than china post
<Mazon> and costly?
<mnemoc> same price that on his aliexpress shop afaik
<mnemoc> the reason is that aliexpress doesn't support that shipping method, and so they don't pay him
<Mazon> 15$ shipping via sweden post ?
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<mnemoc> mail him and ask :) mr.hipboi gmail com
<Mazon> why the hell is the noarmal a2000 ~ 15$ shipping but the one which includes debugging ~ 22$ shipping? - surely it's not much bigget to ship ? :)
<Mazon> a2000 > a1000 ?
<mnemoc> nicer case
<Mazon> same internals and shit ?
<mnemoc> the main board, yes
<mnemoc> it has an small board to relocate the VGA connector
<mnemoc> but beside that it's identical
<Mazon> k
<mnemoc> http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A1000 has pictures of both
<mnemoc> yes
<mnemoc> aliexpress only pays the sellers after *they* confirm you received the product
<mnemoc> so direct paypal gives him more flexibility and that can be reflected in different shipping methods and costs
<Mazon> yeah
<Mazon> wouldn't mind if the board had 1gb ram .. oh well
<mnemoc> not yet :|
<mnemoc> but tom mentioned it may be comming
<mnemoc> but I would prefer to buy an eoma68-a10 or olinuxino-a10/1GB instead
<mnemoc> let's see what comes out first
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<hno> There is no olinuxino-A10 1GB planned afak. Didn't he settle hard on 512MB?
<mnemoc> i still have hope :)
<Mazon> hno: yeah - but it might be a while
<Mazon> also, there is the o-droidx
<Mazon> or whatever
<Mazon> wow, that OpenBlocks AX3 ..
<Mazon> uh, 70000 JPY = 900$ ??
<Turl> I was thinking a bit on stuff
<mnemoc> ouch
<Turl> would a mele fit inside a x86 case mnemoc?
<Turl> like, with x86 components inside?
<hno> Turl, It's a very small board, and x86 boxes have lots of air. I don't have an x86 box where it would not fit somewhere.
<mnemoc> inside the 5.25" bay.... but you'll have to get the cables out from the side
<Turl> that's with the mele box?
<Turl> or bare board?
<hno> why do you want the box inside another box?
<Turl> lazy? :)
<mnemoc> probably would need to take out the black cover
<Turl> I'd need to add insulation if I were to put the bare box
<Turl> the case is all metallic
<Turl> the bare board*
<mnemoc> Turl: the case has two parts
<mnemoc> a metallic L where the board is mounted
<hno> I would place the bare board somewhere. Turl, what is the intended use?
<mnemoc> and a fancy black cover which I lost :p
<Turl> hno: I'm planning on building a new x86 box
<Turl> putting the mele inside would be neat
<mnemoc> why?
<mnemoc> the mele's box is MUCH nicer than any x86 case
<Turl> less space? :)
<Turl> my place is not precisely huge :P
* hno still have the plastic, but not sure the two remembers each oter.
<mnemoc> :)
<Turl> mnemoc: and I can connect the uart thing internally via usb :P
<Scepterr> any of you play with arduinos ?
<Turl> I have one
<Turl> and bought a relay card do do some home automation
<Scepterr> got an utrasonic sensor to play with o rpi
<Scepterr> wanna do ppl counter/alert
<Turl> nice
<hno> Turl, any specific case in mind? easier to discuss mechanics when having some reference.
<Turl> hno: less space used, no extra power supply
<Turl> and low power idle box
<hno> i meant x86 chassis/case.
<Turl> standard computer case
<Turl> with x86 computer components
<hno> there is no standard.
<Turl> atx?
<Turl> typical workstation tower
<mnemoc> mele's case is nicer than any of those miniITX :p
<hno> full size atx? didn't you say you had a shortage of space?
<hno> ant atx is main board placement and power supply, still lots of variation and different sizes.
<Turl> hno: yeah but I'm building a desktop PC :P
<mnemoc> why? not enough with your monster notebook?
<Turl> my monster notebook is just monster size-wise :<
<hno> you don't typically place a tower on the desktop, but any atx tower will have plenty of space to fit the whole mele with case and everything.
<hno> unless you also plan on filling that tower with full size atx main board, gigantic cpu cooler and maxed on drives and I/O boards,
<mnemoc> Turl: wait for the DELL for developers
<Turl> hm?
<mnemoc> google for dell sputnik
<Turl> meh typical lappy with dev software
<Turl> besides it's dell :)
<Turl> gotta go, and gotta go quick :D cya later all
<hno> "hardware drivers .. that support building, testing, and producing web and mobile apps"???
<hno> interesting that dell runs such projed, but it's really two projects. Getting full support for the hardware, and getting selecting the right software meeting the intended developer audience needs.
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<hno> but wtf.. 720p display.
<hno> how is a web developer going to fit both webpage, firebug, eclipse java debugger etc without going nuts?
<hno> and it's not arm.
<mnemoc> I'll probably keep my 11.6" E350 thinkpad until a similar ARM-based device comes out
<mnemoc> eoma68 or quad imx6
<mnemoc> or quad imx6-eoma68 :p
<ZaEarl> Typical Dell. Take a laptop off the end of the Windows production line, install Ubuntu onto it, and call it an Ubuntu laptop.
<ZaEarl> They tried that once before. They shipped an "Ubuntu laptop" that had no touchpad drivers.
<Manofthe1ea> sure. Try to get Windows to lower their OEM price.
<mnemoc> in many countries they have never sold windows-less devices
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<hno> With the "addons" shipped with a dell I doubt they end up paying anything for the Windows license.
<penguin42> oh, I love Google Translate
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<WarheadsSE> Scepterr: yes, Arch will be "on" the A10 soon enough, officially. I just need to package up the kernel/UMP/xf86-video for it
<WarheadsSE> mnemoc: I am looking forward to the Nitrogen6
<mnemoc> WarheadsSE: url?
<WarheadsSE> I have one of those headed my way when it comes off the line.
<penguin42> I like the look of that OpenBlocks A stuff http://openblocks.plathome.com/products/obs_a/
<penguin42> an arm board with 4 GigE on - whatever next!
<mnemoc> WarheadsSE: little over priced, but nice specs :)
<WarheadsSE> I never said I paid for it :p
<mnemoc> :)
<WarheadsSE> so the master is up to 3.0.38 now?
<WarheadsSE> Did I see that right earlier?
<mnemoc> yes
<WarheadsSE> K
<mnemoc> beware the new CONFIG_SUNXI_IGNORE_ATAG_MEM option
<specing> RAM near ethernet magnetics? Ewww
<WarheadsSE> Yeah, I saw that discussion
<penguin42> specing: Why?
<specing> penguin42: I just dont like the idea of having anything that can mess up bits near the RAMs
<mnemoc> WarheadsSE: and be sure to keep the FB driver as module if you want x11/mali
<specing> though I haven't delved into the desing considerations of magnetic components so it might be safe
<mnemoc> going to sleep now, cu tomorrow
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<specing> the nitrogen does look promising though
<specing> I would have expected more RAM but what do you know... computers once had <640k ram
<penguin42> specing: never heard of RAM being magnetic sensitive for the last 30 years (although starting to think about it now...)
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<hno> specing, my first had 4K, of which ~3.5K was available.
<hno> it's amazing how much fits in some kb.
<ZaEarl> Someone should do a 4k demo on an A10.
<lundman> ok
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<Manofthe1ea> hello luke
<furan> I need some assembly help
<furan> given a cmp r#, r#, what does bcc then do?
<lundman> LDY load Y register
<furan> er, rA, rB
<furan> rA > rB?
<lundman> branch of not cbit
<furan> yeah, I am not sure what that means, given cmp rA, rB
<lundman> the cmp mentiuoned when cbit set, butyes, not entirely clear
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