<RaYmAn>
rm: exactly..But their shopping page tries to load some weird plugin... Seems kind of worrying when they just use paypal :P
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<RaYmAn>
rm: 12$ for quad core + mali400mp4 isn't bad thoughh. The biggest issue for me is that they claim HDMI->DVI adapter won't work :( kind of limits dev when your lcd's only have DVI :P
<rm>
because of HDCP?
<RaYmAn>
"HDMI-DVI converter will not work properly because Exynos4 HDMI is not compatible with VESA standard."
<CIA-122>
rhombus-tech: master * ra750ece6812b /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: If possible I'd like to see this computer in a covering
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<traeak>
mnemoc: at one poitn i saw 70MB/s off sata
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<gnexus>
lundman: you around here?
<gnexus>
it is very quiet here. . .
<DonkeyHotei>
we're hunting wabbits
<gnexus>
DonkeyHotei: hey you got a Mele?
<DonkeyHotei>
it hasn't arrived yet
<gnexus>
DonkeyHotei: :(
<gnexus>
i just put android 4 on mine!
<DonkeyHotei>
tracking says "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment"
<gnexus>
did you get it from hipboi?
<DonkeyHotei>
yes
<DonkeyHotei>
tracking has not changed in nearly a week
<gnexus>
good plan. he ships pretty fast.
<gnexus>
it takes a while to get through Chinese customs.. .
<Turl>
my mele tracking says
<Turl>
2012-07-09 10:50 CHINA Insert item into bag (Otb)
<DonkeyHotei>
i would have thought usa customs would be the bulk of shipping time
<gnexus>
so does anybody here know how to get root in Android 4 on the Mele?
<rm>
Insert item into bag
<rm>
ha
<Turl>
rm it always says that
<rm>
my second MK802 is at "Departure from outward office of exchange" from China
<gnexus>
it seems rooting ICS is not so easy as 2.3. . .
<rm>
then it could be up to a month until it appears as imported in Russia
<Turl>
~10 days later it hits my country
<mnemoc>
gnexus: all a10-based devices I know come with `su`
<gnexus>
mnemoc: su - Permission denied. . .
<traeak>
what system are you trying to root?
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<gnexus>
mnemoc: busybox pkg will not install. . .
<DonkeyHotei>
your ip address appears to be irish. fitting, since xchat shows your nick in green
<traeak>
the new ofifcial ICS is interesting in that it seems they dont' hvae all the canned applications
<gnexus>
traeak: Mele ICS needs rooting.
<traeak>
gnexus: ahh okay...i just installed it to look at it, then went back to my linux install :-p
<gnexus>
traeak: the Mele apps are in a single install
<traeak>
gnexus: a different installerthen?
<mnemoc>
gnexus: just use Tom's image
<Turl>
rm ~ how much time from buying to receiving @ your home then?
<mnemoc>
gnexus: or build your own
<Turl>
gnexus: wanna root mele ICS? :)
<gnexus>
traeak: there's a pkg called "Initialization settings."
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<rm>
well, 1-1.5 months usually
<rm>
up to 2 in rare cases
<mnemoc>
o_O ... 3 weeks here, both times
<traeak>
mightr look at it...at some point :-p
<Turl>
gnexus: boot a sd card with some kind of linux, then mount system, copy a su binary and set the suid boot et all :)
<gnexus>
mnemoc: Toms?
<mnemoc>
gnexus: yes
<Turl>
rm here it's ~3 weeks - 1 month
<Turl>
1.5 month on the weird cases
<traeak>
took a while for me
<gnexus>
Turl: the 3.0.8+ kernel i'm using can't access the flash :(
<rm>
I once waited for a package from the USA for something silly like 3 months
<Turl>
from anywhere that I have ordered, USA; china, same deal
<rm>
and it was untracked
<rm>
which is common for stuff from the USA
<traeak>
mnemoc: did you take a shot at a sata drive?
<Turl>
gnexus: build your own?
<mnemoc>
traeak: found a disk. but no time yet
<Turl>
rm yeah
<traeak>
hehe, sata hotplug does work fine
<mnemoc>
yeah: No such file or directory
<Turl>
rm my untracked HDMI cable from china arrived the other day, takes the same that registered airmail
<gnexus>
Turl: I could not get HDMI on my kernel to work and had no serial port before
<gnexus>
Turl: I have new kernel built now and am fixing to try it on the mele
<gnexus>
I just wish there was an easier way to root it.
<Turl>
rm the funny thing is, as soon as they reach the country, they add a tracking # to all packages
<gnexus>
the Mele apps are cool!
<rm>
yes but you know it only after you get the package :)
<Turl>
rm yeah :P
<Turl>
rm for the china tracked ones, you can put the intl code on their site and it tells you the local tracking after it arrives on the country
<rm>
a couple of times I had our post just ignore the chinese tracking number, btw
<Turl>
(or usa tracked, wherever)
<rm>
just slapped a new one RAxxxxxxxxxRU next to it
<Turl>
:P
<gnexus>
my tablet was easier to hack than the mele. . .
<gnexus>
only thing missing on it really is the serial port. . .
<traeak>
you mean ics ?
<Turl>
rm they also have this thing that, if it's stopped by customs and you need to pick it up, they charge you 5ARS for 'postal services'. it's free if it arrives at your home
<rm>
luckily never happened to me so far
<mnemoc>
rm: the code ending in RU is espeedpost.com's
<Turl>
mnemoc: sure?
<traeak>
for me, i really hate ICS on a tablet. put it on one of my home tablets for a short bit and then tend to end up going back to some form of cm7
<rm>
mnemoc, not really
<Turl>
mnemoc: espeedpost's end in CN
<rm>
the last 2 letters is the country code
<Turl>
(as in china)
<mnemoc>
nope, chinapost ends in CN
<rm>
simple as that
<Turl>
mnemoc: espeedpost looks like a chinapost brand
<mnemoc>
a reseller
<rm>
country code of the package's originating country
<mnemoc>
they use codes ending in country of destination
<mnemoc>
while the post standard code ends in country of origin
<Turl>
mnemoc: the espeedpost looks way shorter and starts with 'ER'
<mnemoc>
the initial letters say the type of shipment
<Turl>
chinapost starts with RA, and local post with RD
<rm>
naaaah
<rm>
sec
<mnemoc>
I get RA,RB,RC,RD,...RF and RR
<Triffid_Hunter>
traeak: I have cm7 on my phone, it's sooo sloooww.. seems to reload every icon from flash every time it's displayed, can take up to dozens of seconds to respond to swipes and things
<mnemoc>
it's the paid shipping service
<gnexus>
Linux poweroff works better on the Mele than a tablet.
<Triffid_Hunter>
the stock rom is heaps faster, but also misses various crucial features
<gnexus>
i don't like CM
<Turl>
Triffid_Hunter: you must have an ancient phone
<Triffid_Hunter>
Turl: htc aria (also known as liberty)
<traeak>
Triffid_Hunter: i doh't have a phone so i couldnt tell you..running tablets
<Turl>
Triffid_Hunter: it's an ARMv6
<traeak>
Triffid_Hunter: and i bet ics wouldn't bothert me so much on a phone..phones are used different form 10" tablets
<Turl>
and knowing htc you probably have ~250M usable ram
<Turl>
traeak: ICS is phone oriented too
<gnexus>
this is a pita. I don't want to copy a kernel and install it just to root ICS
<Turl>
traeak: it has a diff ui on a phone
<gnexus>
mnemoc: any idea why the internal USB device port is disabled on Mele ICS?
<traeak>
Turl: i have a couple of issues with ics...i want to move that action bar around and i want to get rid of all the fancy effects. it seems the launcher i normally use isn't available on ics (at last onthe tablets i have), etc
<Turl>
Triffid_Hunter: ADW is crappy though, install some other launcher from the market and enjoy
<Turl>
Triffid_Hunter: launcher pro works fast
<Turl>
some people like go launcher too
<traeak>
Turl: oh yeah and video tanks on my tablet with ics, forgot about that one
<traeak>
anyway
<mnemoc>
gnexus: the otg? enable it in script.bin
<gnexus>
mnemoc: so how do i edit the script.bin in the flash?
<Turl>
traeak: define 'tanks'
<mnemoc>
gnexus: nanda1 is vfat
<rm>
a sad nanda
<Turl>
beware with nanda
<gnexus>
mnemoc: yes. but how do I access it with a kernel with no nvram suppt?
<Turl>
idk if it's just me, but after changing script bin, I have like a 30% chance my tablet won't boot again, even if I just copy the same one
<gnexus>
I know use another kernel ;)
<mnemoc>
gnexus: mount -t vfat ...
<gnexus>
mnemoc: no android root...no android mount. . .
<mnemoc>
gnexus: then boot linux from the uSD
<mnemoc>
gnexus: then mount nanda and make your changes
<traeak>
Turl: same video i play on cm7.2 smoothly slide shows on ICS. just means ICS isn't quite suporete yet. but i'm mostly pissed that the action bar is at the bottom for my tablet. i'll just wait for cm9 or cm10 to mature more.
<gnexus>
mnemoc: but the SD kernel does not support NVRAM. . .
<Turl>
traeak: on what device?
<gnexus>
i need a better kernel. . .
<mnemoc>
gnexus: nand support is enabled by default in sun4i_defconfig
<traeak>
Turl: thatone is tegra2 which i'm guessing is problematic. i's been awhile since i put ics on my nook color
<gnexus>
mnemoc: but not in hipboi's old kernel. . .
<traeak>
Turl: but not too relevant. i just need those to be stable since i dont' play with them.
<traeak>
Turl: i'm just sayign that for a tablet i hate ICS, i hate the way the defaut action bar works on a tablet, and other extra eye candy crap they tossed onto it
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<Turl>
idk if you've been following the news, the verizon galaxy s 3 has a locked bootloader that won't boot unsigned bootimages
<Turl>
traeak: you can probably disable the animations on spare parts or developer tools
<traeak>
Turl: i'm guessing cm9 allows more tuning of where the action bar goes, but in addition to all the other stuff that makes it a nogo for me
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<traeak>
anyways
<traeak>
i hope the linaro libc performance fixes for string operations have made their way to glibc
<Turl>
heh really?
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<traeak>
Turl: yup...if it were a phone i wouldn't mind so much is all
<Turl>
hm, I think I misread that
<Turl>
they have made their way to glibc, or you hope so?
<traeak>
mention of patents in there...how horrible
<traeak>
and the tables aren't exactly clear
<gnexus>
mnemoc: make modules_install . . .DEPMOD 3.0.36+ But does it boot?
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<rmull>
lkcl: Thanks for the "history" mailing list post. As a new subscriber, I like reading things like that.
<gnexus>
mnemoc: INIT: Switching to runlevel: 6
<gnexus>
mnemoc: that is some very messy boot output!
<gnexus>
mnemoc: Image Name: Linux-3.0.36+
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<gnexus>
mnemoc: nand is there
<traeak>
which branchshould i use for 3.4 ?
<gnexus>
mnemoc: still no video
<Turl>
traeak: I'm guessing the one ending in /forward
<Turl>
traeak: but mnemoc will have to confirm
<gnexus>
mnemoc: Linux T-01 3.0.36+ #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 5 21:49:22 IST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
<gnexus>
so if I just replace ICS su binary and have proper permissions on it I should have ICS root?
<gnexus>
anybody?
<Turl>
yeah
<Turl>
then install superuser app from market
<gnexus>
Turl: thanks! su app is already installed. just does not work yet.
<Turl>
permissions should be 4755 if memory serves me well
<Turl>
chown root.root
<gnexus>
Turl: which partition on Mele is rootfs?
<gnexus>
nevermind: The 3 disk name = system, class name = DISK, disk size = 1048576
<gnexus>
Mele ICS system partition is /dev/nandd
<gnexus>
Mele ICS system partition is also /dev/nande. that is where "/system" is.
<rmull>
Is there anything available on the market (hosts, peripherals) that use the eoma68 interface? or is the a10 device on the rhombus-tech website the first device to use it?
<gnexus>
rmull: i thought eoma-68 was some type of std?
<Turl>
gnexus: nande is usually /data
<Turl>
gnexus: nandd is /system indeed
<gnexus>
Turl: yes
<Turl>
/ itself is a ramdisk that's built in the boot image (nandc)
<gnexus>
Turl: i got confuzed
<gnexus>
Turl: found it. I was looking for /system. forgot that is what nandd is mounted as. . .
<gnexus>
im tired...
<Turl>
ext4 usually
<rmull>
gnexus: That's the idea (eoma68 being a standard interface) but afaik the a10 rhombus-tech device is the only one that intends to use it? all the devices that mention it are still just theoretical
<Turl>
rm all the lychee stuff is =y and not =m for example (disp, lcd, hdmi)
<Turl>
gnexus: :)
<gnexus>
Turl: no ipv6 in the defconfig . . . wtf?
<Turl>
mine has +CONFIG_IPV6=y
<Turl>
bbiab, gonna beat someone @ hedgewars
<gnexus>
i don't think the Mele would be FCC compliant
<gnexus>
it's blocking my tv signal!
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<Turl>
o.O
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<traeak>
are you sure it's not just a crappy digital signal?
<traeak>
i mean ever since the changeover to digital HDTV i don't get a clean signal for anything anymore
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<gnexus>
traeak: the signal is very bad. the mele makes it worse when you change res to 1080p. its not as bad in 720p.
<gnexus>
so at the higher res the mele makes more rf interference
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<arokux>
any Arch user here?
<specing>
probably
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<xenoxaos>
ya
<traeak>
yes
<traeak>
cool
<traeak>
just ran an update and appaerntly the arch idiots blasted the package manager
<arokux>
traeak, do you compile with arch (arm)?
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<traeak>
arokux: huh? i cross compile the kernel that's it
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<arokux>
traeak, you compile it on arch as host and use distcc?
<traeak>
arokux: no
<arokux>
traeak, ok
<traeak>
i have a xeon, i installed a cross copmiler and i compile the kernel there
<traeak>
dual xeon actually although its an older one
<specing>
hp?
<traeak>
huh? what's that?
<specing>
nwm
<rzk>
arokux: I had archlinux as host for crosscompile
<traeak>
my desktop uses some stupid assed supermicro almost microatx core2quad xeon. Our real dev machines use standard atx asus boards with nehalem based i7's. Need to update those
<traeak>
i haven't bothered yet to actually set up a compile farm with the mele, don't really see the point for myself at this time
<rzk>
got stuck at weird grep problem in mali sources
<arokux>
rzk, arch is on an arm board and u are using x86?
<rzk>
x86 archlinux compiling linux-allwinner for arm
<arokux>
ok, that's not what i'm asking.
<traeak>
i just installed some cross compilation stuff from AUR and directly compile there
<traeak>
i think regardless you need the cross compiler
<arokux>
really? what package?
<traeak>
arm-eabi-gcc
<rzk>
I thought about getting archlinux-arm on my ly-f1, but after zero support from #archlinux-arm I gave up
<traeak>
and that will have you pull in all the other ones
<rzk>
A2Sheds had some troubles with arch-arm too.
<traeak>
what kind of troubles?
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<traeak>
i haven't been on that irc so no idea about those folks
<rzk>
no documentation whatsoever
<traeak>
hmm
<hno>
what's up tonight?
<traeak>
yave you run x86 arch before?
<rzk>
yep, its my laptop main system
<traeak>
you mean no documentation for an a10 system in particual
<rzk>
I didnt even get how to configure abs (arch build system) to work with ALARM (AchLinux-ARM) repository
<rzk>
on debian you have debootstrap or rootstock and you are ready
<rzk>
on gentoo I remember some tool like debootstrap too.
<traeak>
well i did sort of rig my system
<traeak>
basically i took the debian boot image
<traeak>
extracted the boot partition stuff and the modules
<traeak>
then popped the omap3 arm stuff
<traeak>
and then overlayed the stuff i extracted from the debian image
<CIA-122>
rhombus-tech: Jeremy master * r3d3a8f6e34f3 /allwinner_a10/orders/jamarzka.mdwn:
<traeak>
although that's not necessary if you are confident enough to build and install your own kernel (and bypass the debian stuff)
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<arokux>
arch ain't no debian, guys.
<rzk>
thats.. sorta not my way :3 omap is omap, we need to build our own hwpack and image, so with patches and updates that overlaying stuff will not happen again
<traeak>
omap3 ? that a mislabelling on the part of the archlinux arm guys
<traeak>
thjey need to break their binary image names into something more reasonable based on armv5/6/7
<rzk>
also they've said that they will work on mele a100 support
<A2Sheds>
rzk: we started working with arch-arm in its infancy but the devs didn't really want to share the scripts to build it, they seem to want to have a almost open project yet keep the build process private
<traeak>
the omap3 userspace happens to be armv7
<traeak>
not sure if it assumes neon or not
<rzk>
build process private? wtf?
<rzk>
thats totally no opensource, lol.
<A2Sheds>
rzk: they seem to want to be in control of the docs to build it, they would probably share it in exchange for money or recognition of some sort
<A2Sheds>
they ted to get upset when pressed for docs
<traeak>
interesting
<A2Sheds>
ted/tend
<traeak>
i dunno how well that meshes with the raspberry pi guys
<traeak>
since a proper rpi arch distro should do armv6hf
<A2Sheds>
we offered to create and support a tool chain for building their packages, they weren't interested, they even ended up backing all the patches out of the repos, so we went on to to other projects
<rzk>
also, toolchain for arm from AUR is broken on arch-testing
<A2Sheds>
that was over a year ago, I haven't checked on what they are up to recently
<traeak>
reports of overheating on these units though
<traeak>
so that's skeery
<traeak>
mnemoc: which branch for 3.4 ?
<rzk>
no wonder that mk802 will overheat
<rzk>
a10 on my ly-f1 heats up thru display
<A2Sheds>
rzk: it's similar to ubuntu, it's open source but the docs for building are never accurate and it can be difficult to actually to build from scratch
<mnemoc>
traeak: wip/linux-3.4-sunxi/forward
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<traeak>
mnemoc seems my drm.h change didn't get committed?
<mnemoc>
traeak: which?
<traeak>
mnemoc: don't worry i suspect i'm getting hosed by git
<traeak>
mnemoc: i'm not grasping how to force going back to master
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<traeak>
'k seems 3.4/forward doesn't build for now regardless :-p
<mnemoc>
o_O
<mnemoc>
builds here (tm)
<mnemoc>
traeak: can you give me some details to fix it before going to sleep?
<traeak>
just commenting out a couple of unnecessary includes is all
<mnemoc>
that doesn't help to fix the problems in the repo...
<traeak>
nono there's no problems sorry
<mnemoc>
o_O
<lundman>
gnexus: whats up?
<CIA-122>
rhombus-tech: marco master * rc6745a10de3e /allwinner_a10.mdwn:
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<Turl>
woot jelly beans on my intertubes
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<leming>
A2Sheds, i'm curious as to who exactly you say you worked with in Arch Linux ARM, especially regarding toolchains and building packages, because I don't remember you at all :)