<DocScrutinizer>
kristianpaul: thanks. But I know about the Exo's and am not really excited
<kristianpaul>
me either, just was waiting for your comments :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
they're giving these away since months, on Intel events
<DocScrutinizer>
meego-intel
<kristianpaul>
actually, when i saw rss entry on me reader i touch was something else not just another table :(
<kristianpaul>
s/touch/tought
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain_HxxHhzo: btw, any news on the sugru ?
<rjeffries>
Fabio Varesano's MS thesis is interesting. Uses KiCad. CC Sharealike license. He di Femtoduino as well as a cool 9 degrees of moyopm boatf that Spark Fun the redeigned and munged up. ;)
<wpwrak>
i wonder what would happen if i pulled the kernel tree from qi-kernel and the one from linux-zigbee into the same repository, to that i can fetch from each other. would all the gunk that i pull but that shows up only on one side also be sent along in the next push ? hmm ...
<rejon>
wpwrak, send them email
<rejon>
they sent me one saying, please send final talk
<wpwrak>
rejon: who would be the contact ? fernanda ?
<wpwrak>
kewl. i'll see to it in the morning. more creative after a bit of sleep :)
<wpwrak>
rejon: what will you cover ?
<mth>
wpwrak: I would expect git would only push the commits that are in the history of the branch that is being pushed
<wpwrak>
mth: ought to be safe then ... hmm ... risk it or not, this is the question ...
<wpwrak>
mth: maybe another thing best pondered tomorrow :)
<rejon>
wpwrak, mm1
<rejon>
and will think some about getting people involved
<rejon>
how we can get more brazilian developers and biz onboard
<wpwrak>
rejon: anything about qi-hw, the ben, ... ?
<rejon>
a lil bit about qi
<rejon>
but i will try to shift my presentations to be less about freedom and copyleft
<rejon>
and more about our projects standing on their own legs
<wpwrak>
standing in what way ? that they actually function in real life ?
<rejon>
more about tech. innovation, less about social innovation
<rejon>
cultural innovation as well
<wpwrak>
you really like to use the word "innovation" ;-)
<mth>
the Dingoo is quite popular in Brazil because there is a company making them locally and therefore they are very affordable compared to imported devices
<mth>
Brazil has very high import taxes for electronics, afaik
<wpwrak>
mth: very simple taxes: 100%
<mth>
so with open hardware, being able to manufacture in Brazil should be an advantage
<wpwrak>
mth: argentina is much cheaper. only 50%
<rejon>
mth, totally
<rejon>
exactly why i want to speak about this
<wpwrak>
mth: brazil also has interesting investment requirements for companies. they have to dedicate a certain amount of their revenue to R&D, be it in-house or something they deem worthy
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: Merge branch 'jz-2.6.38' of projects.qi-hardware.com:qi-kernel into ben-wpan http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/fb18b4e
<dvdk>
if you like, it click on '+' and mark the matching tags ('interesting' etc.)
<wpwrak>
dvdk: sound very good. thanks ! +'ed :)
<dvdk>
mornging werner
<wpwrak>
dvdk: we still haven't made heise.de. pretty much all the other news outlets have carried it, though. i wonder if tuxbrain has been interviewed by playboy yet :)
<dvdk>
wpwrak: where is the submit button on heise? :)
<dvdk>
starts searching for the heise.de submit button
<wpwrak>
dvdk: at the bottom of the newsticker: "Fehlt eine wichtige Nachricht? Geben Sie uns Bescheid!" (a mail link)
<wpwrak>
dvdk: newstips@heise.de
<dvdk>
doesn't show here. maybe only if logged in?
<dvdk>
ah, found. Â
<fusin>
hi QIots :oO
<dvdk>
zzzz...
<fusin>
stupid question from me:
<fusin>
What happens, if I run Linux without swap (neither partition nor file), and memory is full used?
<fusin>
I mean, what happens, if a programm tries to start, but there ain't enough memory anymore AND Linux can't swap?
<fusin>
does it hang, or does the programm simmply not start?
<kyak>
fusin: as far as i know, at this point oom (out of memory) killer will come to stage and try to find the candidate application to kill
<fusin>
wouldn't it be better to 'pop' a message saying "Out of memry" ?
<kyak>
most of the time, this is exactly what happens
<fusin>
aah ;)
<kyak>
your program terminates with an oom message
<fusin>
fine()
<fusin>
my idea is: using my laptop with SSD, and as those are 1:expensive and 2: not too bog (as HD), I dislike to know that I spend space for swap, if it's not really neaded.
<fusin>
Especialy as too many rewrites kill the SSD
<kyak>
maybe try to live without swap for some time and see how it works
<fusin>
So far I can see for now, my Laptop don't even use full 2GB of memory, so why should I block 2GB of HD-space?
<kyak>
that's fair
<fusin>
well, that's exactly what I do since I installed this new Laptop
<fusin>
If I see it well worked, I will move to an SSD drive
<fusin>
as they use less battery power
<fusin>
and I do not really need a drive bigger as 16 or 32Gig
<fusin>
;)
<larsc>
swap is also used for suspend-to-ram
<fusin>
never used suspend to ram. I mostly suspend to disc OR shutdown fully.
<fusin>
I could of course also live without 'suspend'.
<fusin>
our NanoNote does not suspend either, isn't it? :D
<dvdk>
brace for impact!
<dvdk>
the /. submission was just copied into the 'stories' category so I guess it'll appear on the frontpage anytime soon
<kyak>
dvdk: there are 3 items i wanted to report about ase, while you are here: 1) It is not possible to select any tool from dropdown menu of toolbox (try selecting elipse tool?) 2) ase terminates (not segfault) when trying to save a file 3) some shortcuts are not working, like Ctrl+N, Ctrl+O
<kristianpaul>
so i just need to plug a gps frontend as it seems have input for clk, sig and mag :-)
<dvdk>
kyak: are you using ase with the latest liballegro?  i fixed a few keyboard issues with allegro  that kept ase from working.
<dvdk>
anyway thanks for the report
<dvdk>
going to look into it
<dvdk>
(as soon as you confirm that all bits are up-to-date in your NN)
<dvdk>
yeah, "Nanonote goes Wireless" sighted on slashdot.org front page
<xMff>
I think slashdot really is the wrong audience
<xMff>
the actual tinkeres seem to have left it years ago
<xMff>
*tinkerers
<dvdk>
xMff: looks like it.  though i hope that slashdot_commenters != slashdot_readers
<dvdk>
maybe the wrong interpretation. Â
<dvdk>
slashdot has lots of readers, so the message is going to get to the tinkerers who understand what we're doing, although the number of readers missing our message will be relatively high.
<xMff>
problem is they talk it down
<xMff>
which drives away potentially interested people
<dvdk>
xMff: wait for the moderation. Â
<dvdk>
xMff: i think the kind of people who buy these tinker toys won't give a shit for these iphone/apple fanboys' rants
<xMff>
probably
<xMff>
but its saddening anyway
<dvdk>
xMff: yeah totally, it makes me consider closing down my /. account and never look back.
<xMff>
and this isn't the first of its kind, the last slashdot article was similar
<dvdk>
... and if i never waste my time reading slashdot again, i think something positive has come out of it anyways :)
<wpwrak>
lekernel: (as a repost, not as an article. but still.)
<rejon>
yeah, lots of reposts
<rejon>
i'm curious about if this moved some sales
<wpwrak>
rejon: indeed. tuxbrain is very quiet. i wonder if he's busy shipping boards by the container :)
<rejon>
:)
<rejon>
hopefully
<wpwrak>
rejon: some sales should also end up at sharism. alas, wolfgang doesn't have wpan boards to sell yet. so this will cause a but if confusion.
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: I wonder if they'll find the 113~ units in a container ;-D
<DocScrutinizer>
if you're not using a huge box to package them, they possibly will drop thru a hole and an empty container arrives
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: maybe tuxbrain is busy finding suitable packaging material ;-)
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: or maybe he's negotiating the next 100 kunits order :)
<DocScrutinizer>
hehe
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: well, if there's a lot of demand, he should be able to make another ~400 units fairly quickly. he had ordered ~500 PCBs for each (almost the same price as ~100 pieces), and ordering new components should take something like 2-3 days.
<DocScrutinizer>
or he's trying to sell a single unit rather than seeing the 100k getting produced by the potential customer
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: that's another possibility. he has already sold at least 6 atusb, though :)
<DocScrutinizer>
you'd have to compete in savings made from your already established process, compared to the savings for customer when doing it on their own
<wpwrak>
well, the "good" customers think like this
<DocScrutinizer>
you'd also compete on setup time til shipment
<wpwrak>
the "bad" ones (the majority) compare prices to mass-produced vaguely similar products
<DocScrutinizer>
there are none
<DocScrutinizer>
which all but the most stupid "bad customers" have to appreciate
<wpwrak>
oh, Wifi USB dongles :) i said "vaguely"
<DocScrutinizer>
sure
<DocScrutinizer>
sb interested in atusb is particularly interested in free wireless, otherwise goes for dirt cheap WiFi
<wpwrak>
i don't think we can convince many people who think like this. a few may not understand the price and feel they're being cheated. we may be able t reach these.
<wpwrak>
but the ones who will always go cheapest, no way
<wpwrak>
we also have a captive customer base with the ben (-:C
<DocScrutinizer>
oh, is it a large customer base? will it develop momentum?
<wpwrak>
~1200-1300 units sold, each a potential atben user. we'll see how the pickup is.
<DocScrutinizer>
that's decent
<DocScrutinizer>
you explicitly adverised ben-free atusb-only setup too?
<DocScrutinizer>
(if that works at all - I gather it should)