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<Thiagovfar>
Can't I use the backlight on the menu/back keys as notification lights, on galaxys2?
<Karbowiak>
you can
<Karbowiak>
but you might end up getting wakelocks
<Thiagovfar>
Where is the setting for that, then?
<Karbowiak>
need kernel support
<Karbowiak>
default cm9 kernel doesn't have that afaik
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<koud_>
Espenfjo: nice to see you got a build :))
<koud_>
I guess this might be a stupid question, but can I find examples on how to write audio wrapper for android somewhere? I guess if I ask something like that I won't be able to do it :P
<koud_>
ah I could use camerawrapper as example
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<J_Force>
can somebody help me with what I think is an easy problem?
<J_Force>
Since nightly 0707 I can't get my SIII connected to my PC. Gives an error on the usb driver
<J_Force>
I have used Kies the very first time to connect my phone to my pc and never done anything to change drivers. Now since the 0707 I can't connect anymore (I could with earlier nightlies). Do I need different drivers?
<J_Force>
Nobody here?
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<xplodwild_work>
J_Force: flash older nightly, test if still works
<J_Force>
it does work on older nightly
<J_Force>
@xplodwild_work that's what makes it strange to me. On previous nightlies it did work, now it doesn't anymore. Should I get different usb drivers? Can you tell me where?
<bbqbot>
J_Force: Command does not exist!
<J_Force>
xplodwild: that's what makes it strange to me. On previous nightlies it did work, now it doesn't anymore. Should I get different usb drivers? Can you tell me where?
<J_Force>
can it be a modem thing? Changes in last update were 0707 nightly and LFB modem (previous state was 0703 experimental with LE8 modem)
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<J_Force>
went back to 0707 and it's working again
<J_Force>
can I help with something to identify the problem?
<bbqbot>
derp
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<J_Force>
O damn, another issue. Can connect and browse but can't copy files to my phone.
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<J_Force>
error: the device has stopped responding
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<spY|da>
i cant find the "window animations", could someone pls point me in the right direction?
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<cantIntoCode>
spY|da: developer settings
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<spY|da>
cantIntoCode, thx
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<addi>
Google made a big stupid move by putting those in developer options in ICS. ICS can't really handle animations smoothly, and on top of that most will never be able to turn them cos they are not in Display settings
<Espenfjo>
jb <3
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<addi>
yer
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<lodder_>
Espenfjo: is jb great on the i9100?
<Espenfjo>
No
<slainer68>
is jb smoother on gnex than ics on sgs3?
<Espenfjo>
Sometimes yes, sometimes no afaik.
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<lodder_>
that bad?
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<Espenfjo>
lodder_: Yes. No audio, no camera, no wifi, janky at times
<Espenfjo>
But we have MTP! :P
<lodder_>
janky?
<bbqbot>
derp
<lodder_>
hwcomp works? so the camera wrapper doesn't help from ICS?
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<Espenfjo>
janky as in not smooth
<Espenfjo>
hwcomp seems to work, atleast basically.
<Espenfjo>
Camera wrapper do not work since the vendor modules does not load
<lodder_>
thats crap
<Espenfjo>
Impossible to fix it with a wrapper
<lodder_>
keep up the good job!
<lodder_>
I know you guys will get it working
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<Espenfjo>
Audio and camera will not work unless we get source or blobs that match Jellybean
<slainer68>
(or not :D)
<lodder_>
yea it's waiting for a leak I think
<slainer68>
Espenfjo: i thought cm was 100% open source, i did not know before jb that it uses closed source blobs
<tat->
hm, could audio work with bluetooth hands free?
<Espenfjo>
slainer68: :) Neither the nexus devices are 100 % opensource
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<Espenfjo>
tat-: No
<Espenfjo>
It is the whole audio subsystem
<tat->
I see
<AlessandroIT>
i don't fear much for hwcomposer, omx, video because i9300, will be updated for sure to jelly bean. My main concern is about audio and camera. This time i think that if samsung won't update i9100 officially to jb, we won't have a full working cm10 build :\
<Espenfjo>
AlessandroIT: Then the only hope is that someone else with the same audio chip or camera chip get JB ;)
<lodder_>
which device has the same chips?
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<Espenfjo>
dunno
<Espenfjo>
:D
<AlessandroIT>
Espenfjo: unfortunately, i haven't seen much dev board / devices using Yamaha audio :( The bad part of this, is the waiting: we must wait vendor before having a working build.
<slainer68>
Espenfjo: ok even gnex is not 100% OS. but is the number of closed source blobs lower in gnex or the same as other samsung phones?
<Espenfjo>
slainer68: It is lower, yes. I do not have full list, but it is conciderably lower
<AlessandroIT>
slainer68: usually, for nexus line, Google try to opensource as much as possible.
<slainer68>
Espenfjo: thank you for your answers ;). my AOSP education is now better.
<Espenfjo>
Usually RIL, Graphics etc. are closed
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<slainer68>
that's bad, that seems that even open source projects won't be able to update android if the hardware vendor decides not to update its blobs.
<slainer68>
means
<gladiac1337>
jup, that's pretty much what it is
<h4rdco2e>
AGAIN i9100G fuuck!
<Espenfjo>
slainer68: I think that google have source for the blobs used, so they can adapt them. It is only a matter about licensing
<h4rdco2e>
Espenfjo: JB and ICS arn't so much different, right?
<Espenfjo>
No but yes
<Espenfjo>
Different enough when it comes to binary compatibility
<h4rdco2e>
Espenfjo: I saw it running on i9100G which makes me angry having a i9100
<Espenfjo>
:D
<Espenfjo>
G is omap
<Espenfjo>
They tend to like Opensource better than samsungs exynos
<AlessandroIT>
h4rdco2e: honestly, i prefer Exynos over OMAP..Exynos is faster while installing / opening app / playing game (imho)
<h4rdco2e>
Espenfjo: OS makes the difference?
<Espenfjo>
Yes
<h4rdco2e>
#blamesamsung
<Baskey>
#lamesamsung
<h4rdco2e>
Why do they don't make it OS, they have got stupid engeener and don't allow others (codeworkx, xplodwild, Team HAcksung) to make it better
<AlessandroIT>
h4rdco2e: that's due to licensing issue..they can't opensource everything..
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<AlessandroIT>
probably, there will never be a 100% opensource device.
<Espenfjo>
not a big one atleast
<h4rdco2e>
Why, I do not understand! Why is i9100G more OS than i9100?
<Espenfjo>
Because they use other components on the inside
<Espenfjo>
And the manufacturer do not care that the rest of the world can see how they create their components
<h4rdco2e>
I know but why is OMAP, OS
<Espenfjo>
dunno
<h4rdco2e>
hm, samsung should send codeworkx, opensource HALs that would fix nearly every "Known Problem"
<koud_>
hmm so camera module does not even load on JB?
<tat->
who volunteers to infiltrante samsung and open source a few drivers? ;-)
<koud_>
probably not even samsung got the code
<Espenfjo>
koud_: no :(
<koud_>
hmm
<koud_>
but I thought vendor camera was just loaded with c code in the wrapper
<Espenfjo>
It is, but it is still linked to other modules
<Espenfjo>
And those modules have changed
<koud_>
ah
<koud_>
but
<koud_>
maybe can create chroot
<Espenfjo>
:D
<Espenfjo>
It is depending on stuff in libandroid_runtime.so
<koud_>
not sure if it possible for libs
<koud_>
I think it should be
<koud_>
remember we had to do for ril on my old phone
<koud_>
chroot with duplicate versions of some libs
<codeworkx>
drop support, problem solved
<h4rdco2e>
Espenfjo: hahaha I hate Samsung
<h4rdco2e>
codeworkx: which drop?
<codeworkx>
stop supporting samsung phones
<Espenfjo>
+1
<koud_>
Espenfjo: missing functions in the lib?
<codeworkx>
sick of fixing those crap
<h4rdco2e>
+1 when I get my money back
<koud_>
codeworkx: I can understand that
<codeworkx>
ask samsung
<Espenfjo>
koud_: First obstacle is _ZN8SkCanvasC1EP15SkDeviceFactory
<Espenfjo>
SkCanvas::SkCanvas(SkDeviceFactory*)
<h4rdco2e>
codeworkx: Is the Photo on Twitter a fake?
<Espenfjo>
koud_: Did you manage to get your AOSP build booting?
<AlessandroIT>
h4rdco2e: i thinks this talk "For Butter or worse" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8m9sHdyXnE explains a lot about surface flinger and how hwcomp works :)
<koud_>
Espenfjo: no, still not :P
<Espenfjo>
AlessandroIT: +1, that is a good video
<Espenfjo>
koud_: ok
<koud_>
I think I must have messed up my framework merge
<Espenfjo>
:)
<Espenfjo>
What is it failing at?
<koud_>
well I can't even build it anymore :P
<koud_>
probably also I need to update my device tree
<koud_>
I have a ooold fork from cm9 :P
<koud_>
make: *** No rule to make target `out/target/product/galaxys2/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libmediayamahaservice_intermediates/export_includes', needed by `out/target/product/galaxys2/obj/EXECUTABLES/mediaserver_intermediates/import_includes'.
<koud_>
till this :P
<Espenfjo>
:)
<koud_>
hmm strange thing is, it did compile without hw/samsung
<koud_>
anyways, I will switch to cm device tree soon
<koud_>
and cm kernel
<koud_>
because I don't want to mess with kernel stuff :P
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<koud_>
I am still using that python script to create my boot.img :P
<koud_>
but I heard straight AOSP + cm9 devicetree + hw/samsung boots
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<koud_>
so I must have messed it up :P
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<koud_>
now the dog needs to walk
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<Assid>
heya
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<h4rdco2e>
xplodwild: are there huge changes in Kernel (JB and ICS)
<peterperfect>
hardcore changes
<Jiangyi>
Wow, CM10 booted on 9100G and 9300 already? :O
<Jiangyi>
Damn, that was fast.
<cdesai>
9100G coz omap
<cdesai>
omap <3
<cdesai>
9300 coz xplodwild_work is wild
<Jiangyi>
Cdesai: +1 to that :-D
<xplodwild_work>
h4rdco2e: no changes
<xplodwild_work>
(so far)
<h4rdco2e>
peterperfect: haha, not!
<h4rdco2e>
xplodwild: so "just" userspace
<xplodwild_work>
and ramdisk
<xplodwild_work>
init rc and shiz
<h4rdco2e>
Jiangyi: nao I want i9100G xD
<h4rdco2e>
what i9300?
<Jiangyi>
H4rdco2e: :-P
<h4rdco2e>
Jiangyi: where did you see i9300?
<cdesai>
twitter / picasa
<Jiangyi>
H4rdco2w: xplodwild's twitter.
<Jiangyi>
Argh can't spell on this phone. :P
<h4rdco2e>
Jiangyi: on i9100 too, Espenfjo's Photo
<slainer68>
great that dev are already working on jb, that means that when samsung will leak the first jb roms, we'll have a fully working cm10 really fast.
<h4rdco2e>
chadouming: no choose Percent Battery in settings
<h4rdco2e>
chadouming: nao, in the statusbar is e.g. 47[]
<h4rdco2e>
[] Is the Battery
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<h4rdco2e>
I want e.g. 47%[]
<chadouming>
ah, idk
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<cdesai>
h4rdco2e: find the commit that added battery % support
<h4rdco2e>
cdesai: is it in PowerUI.java?
<cdesai>
h4rdco2e: not sure, never looked over that code
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<xplodwild_work>
h4rdco2e: there's a part in XML
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<xplodwild_work>
and another part in Java
<xplodwild_work>
because in one of the overlays there's a config that sets right notif icons positions
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<h4rdco2e>
xplodwild_work: ok, I will spent sometime for this
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<pepijn_>
Hi! Is there anyone who can point me a working kernel-config for a P3110 (for example, the one used to create the build on http://builds.teamhacksung.org/) ?
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<chadouming>
pepijn_, It's simply defconfig
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<cdesai>
cyanogenmod_<modelno>_defconfig in arch/arm/configs on kernel_samsung_espresso on teamhacksung github
<pepijn_>
thanks!
<pepijn_>
I cannot find any defconfig that sounds like p3110, but will try the kernel_samsumg_espresso
<pepijn_>
I assume that is compatible with all "espresso" tabs, right?
<slainer68>
i totally dislike having the % of my battery displayed. it stresses me to see it go down in real time when i'm using my phone xD.
<slainer68>
am i the only one?
<chadouming>
yes
<chadouming>
pepijn_, it should
<slainer68>
:p
<pepijn_>
thanks, chadouming
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<h4rdco2e>
slainer68: its just for the "percet" Battery
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<noxxx>
hi all
<chadouming>
hi noxxx
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<all>
hey noxxx
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<wifi>
oh god i love to do that
<noxxx>
wifi do you have real life?
<bbqbot>
derp
<noxxx>
looks like you're always here
<wifi>
seems like i have no choice to
<wifi>
i'm always here when i work
<wifi>
i do programmation so looking here is ok
<noxxx>
programmation?
<noxxx>
r u programmer?
<wifi>
i'm not here from 16h30 to 7h55 mon-friday
<noxxx>
in night?
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<wifi>
and i'm not here on weekend
<slainer68>
on CM9 is there a way to filter masked calls? i've just looked on call options and did not find any option like that.
<wifi>
i'm not here *cough cough*
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<wifi>
and yes i am a programmer
<wifi>
and android fan
<noxxx>
like hair fan?
<wifi>
and flashing all the new things available addict
<Sushi>
It "only" silence your phone while an incoming masked call is ringing
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<wifi>
haha
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<wifi>
nah, i'm here when i work. Outside of that i have a life
<slainer68>
Sushi: that's great! in my case i would like to eventually play a message to the caller which i could record to let the caller know that i'm not answering to "masked number". but i'll test your app :)
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<noxxx>
HALO U FUCKA! I DUN ANSA SUCH KOLZ LAK YO.
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<h4rdco2e>
Entropy512: What is your main development device?
<addi-Tuna>
i think he uses an iPhone 3GS
<addi-Tuna>
:p
<h4rdco2e>
addi-Tuna: iWhat?
<chadouming>
lawl, entropy on iphone
<addi-Tuna>
iPhone. the most advanced smartphone, with more features than all other smartphones combined
* addi-Tuna
punishes himself for saying all that
<h4rdco2e>
addi-Tuna: you forgett most individually Phone
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<chadouming>
addi-tuna : You mean will more feature stolen on other idea than all other smartphone combined to make one super phone ?
<addi-Tuna>
chadouming, no. it didn't steal features actually. because the smartphones before it had more features than even iOS 6 has :p
<chadouming>
xD
<addi-Tuna>
Symbian, the dead OS has more functionality than iOS :p
<Baskey>
it's called Belle
<Baskey>
nao
<addi-Tuna>
iPhone changed the definition of smartphones to 'must have lots of apps, forget other functionality'
<addi-Tuna>
Baskey, that's what, I talk of when it was actually Symbian, from even 4-5 years ago :p
<Baskey>
oh, I get it
<addi-Tuna>
multitasking, navigation, great cameras, 3G, wifi etc connectivity, TV out, etc etc :p
<addi-Tuna>
mass storage mode, lite flash, etc etc :p
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<onyx>
Hi all
<addi-Tuna>
namaste Onyx
<onyx>
namaste
<h4rdco2e>
xplodwild: would opendesign continued if CM10 is nighlty?
<bbqbot>
derp
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<chadouming>
hey onyx
<pmgnet>
is cm9 nightly working out of box now for i747? I saw something about having to unzip the ROM and make changes and zip it back up.
<addi-Tuna>
h4rdco2e, um, opendesign is about bringing oem features to aosp. why would it stop for cm10?
<onyx>
hey @chadoming
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<slainer68>
hi, i've switched from iphone 4S to i9300 with CM9. on iPhone when you call with headphones, you have the audio feedback of your own voice in the headphones which really helps when your headphones have great noise reduction. is it possible to enable this feature on CM9?
<slainer68>
chadouming: you're talking about my iPhone ;D ?
<chadouming>
said him, not it
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<Baskey>
REMOVE SLAINER68 FROM PREMISES
<slainer68>
:p
<addi-Tuna>
um, wait, audio feedback of your own voice as in every line you speak is spoken back to you? :p
<bbqbot>
derp
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<addi-Tuna>
or is it feedback in the electronic systems inside?
<addi-Tuna>
which one you talking about?!
<addi-Tuna>
slainer68, ANSWER ME!
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<slainer68>
addi-Tuna: hu. when calling with an iPhone AND headphones and when speaking, I hear my own voice in the headphones. That's nice because nowadays a lot of headphones have noice reduction (ie. beats, bose, etc)
<slainer68>
(what can i say more?)
<addi-Tuna>
eek
<addi-Tuna>
odd feature, one i don't really understand :p
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<slainer68>
addi-Tuna: try to phone someone using bose headphones with active noise reduction : that's really annoying because you can't hear you speak well. having the audio feedback of your own voice in the headphones helps you not to speak louder without reason.
<slainer68>
(and moreover i don't see apple implementing a feature without any reason (troll inside))
<addi-Tuna>
ah, okay
<addi-Tuna>
yes, and they also forget to add features that may have reason or use for the consumers :p
<noxxx>
why when i delete an app and reboot device, shortcut to the app appears on the desktop?
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<noxxx>
IamSachin hello
<IamSachin>
hey noxxx
<noxxx>
IamSachin my sgs2 battery life is awesome
<noxxx>
bbs is amazing app
<Baskey>
tell me about it
<IamSachin>
noxxx: Good to know that :)
<IamSachin>
yeah, its the most recommended app for modders
<noxxx>
Baskey go love nebkat
<Baskey>
nebkat is away
<noxxx>
ye i know
<noxxx>
go find him
<noxxx>
dress like a basketball player
<noxxx>
and find him
<Baskey>
I know where he is
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<noxxx>
why you'r here?
<Baskey>
and what do you mean by "here"?
<noxxx>
here on irc
<Baskey>
'cause I do liek TEH SECRET CHANNEL
<Baskey>
#aospsgs2
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<Baskey>
[19:44] (@xplodwild) I'm kanging from netchip
<addi-Future>
xD
<Baskey>
XPLODWILD: TEH WORST DEV EVAH
<xplodwild>
@kick Baskey
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<Baskey>
:)
<Baskey>
xplodwild <3
<Samit>
totally, and that codeworkx dude, absolute horror of a guy....says hes gonna run cos s2 has a yamaha chip.....if i was hanibal lecter, i would say...dear clariceeee fly fly fly....fly fly fly
<Samit>
:) some banter is okay i guess...blush blush
<Baskey>
lol
<xplodwild>
Samit: cody is always right
<xplodwild>
except when it comes to i9300
<xplodwild>
somehow he doesn't belive hwcomposer runs :(
<Samit>
lol...thats touchy territory...i would keep away....
<noxxx>
skoda superb is awesome
<Baskey>
skoda notsosuperb
<Baskey>
peternotsoperfect
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<wifi>
hmm, is that guy not believing in cody ?
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<wifi>
cody is our god
<wifi>
HAIL CODEWORK
<IamSachin>
HAL codework :P more appropriate
<wifi>
lol
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<wifi>
entropy512, wake up please. I call you from the dark abyss you are sleeping to answer one of the hardest question you have ever been asked !
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<wifi-b-g-n>
hello wifi
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<IamSachin>
addi whats ur name on xda??
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<wifi-b-g-n>
wifi, i'm your network standard..
<wifi-b-g-n>
IamSachin, addicted2088. why?
<bbqbot>
derp
<wifi>
no, you are only an ugly name
<wifi-b-g-n>
:(
<IamSachin>
just like that, will add u
<wifi-b-g-n>
no use, i don't visit that piece of crap website much :p
<wifi-b-g-n>
too many noobs and idiots
<wifi>
!!
<wifi-b-g-n>
!!
<IamSachin>
Lol, yeah...too many people ask questions without reading the op post
<wifi>
i like to laugh at these noobs
<wifi-b-g-n>
with the GNex, ROMs are so stable i don't feel the need to go look for something on XDA
<wifi-b-g-n>
so my visits are even less now
<wifi>
i'm still visiting every day :D
<wifi-b-g-n>
IamSachin, and to be honest, i don't really see the use of adding or friending someone on XDA
<wifi>
always looking for something new to flash
<wifi-b-g-n>
wifi, me too, to look for new Jelly Bean ROMs :P
<wifi>
just got a cool kernel
<wifi>
yeah
<wifi-b-g-n>
nah, CM9 FTW, so that's it
<wifi-b-g-n>
now waiting for CM10
<wifi-b-g-n>
then CM10 FTW
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<wifi>
can't wait for fully functionnal CM10
<wifi>
well, CM10 with all the functionnality
<wifi-b-g-n>
me neeeeiiither
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<brgroover>
ok, all want this uh :p
<akSeya>
\o/
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<IamSachin>
netchip blabbering again on twitter :P
<brgroover>
hahahaha
<brgroover>
netchip is crazy
<brgroover>
i dont understand him
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<wifi>
+9001
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<wifi>
approved annnnnnnnnnnnnd, Merged.
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<brgroover>
what??
<akSeya>
folks.. latest CM9 nightly. Still problem with faceunlock configuration feedback video
<wifi>
it is now official that netchip is crazy
<akSeya>
i man, when configuring faceunlock, instead of my beautiful face, I see a green vertical stripes
<koud_>
I just think toggle needs to be re designed
<chadouming>
look at that , powercontrol aint that bad
<koud_>
small issue compared to HAL :P
<Espenfjo>
:P
<Espenfjo>
koud_: status?
<chadouming>
a bit blurred icon, but i think i could edit that :D
<brgroover>
ok, i understand. thanks
<koud_>
I am in summer house with 1bar edge :P
<Espenfjo>
:D
<brgroover>
damn yamaha
<chadouming>
lol
<Espenfjo>
koud_: Camera could probably be done by forward porting skia stuff. But I do not think that it will be worth it
<IamSachin>
echo waiting for supercurios VodooSound on s3
<Espenfjo>
We are missing hwcomposer, audio and camera
<brgroover>
why samsung did this shit to us?
<Espenfjo>
Because they do not care
<Espenfjo>
There are not many enough of us
<peterperfect>
IamSachin its taking very long
<koud_>
Espenfjo: but hwcomposer we have source for right?
<IamSachin>
yeah, but I have faith in him. The final product will be awesome peterperfect :)
<Espenfjo>
Yes, but it crashes bad ;)
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<Espenfjo>
It can be fixed of course. But at a first glance i did not see any issue with it
<koud_>
I think insignal will update
<koud_>
to JB
<koud_>
Espenfjo: a lot of skia stuff missing?
<bbqbot>
derp
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<IamSachin>
soon we'll have a completely shitty JB leak from Samsung with TW
<brgroover>
google now works? I know, the build dont have sound but i mean the application.
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<brgroover>
if we have
<brgroover>
for sgs2 :P
<Espenfjo>
koud_: There is atleast some fundamental changes
<Espenfjo>
SkFactory is gone completely. Seems to be some huge part of skia
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<Karbowiak>
why couldn't they just agree on a fucking common hal
<Karbowiak>
they not just *
<Espenfjo>
A common hal? that is called the framework
<Karbowiak>
potato potato
<Espenfjo>
no, quite different
<Espenfjo>
Potato Aubergine
<Espenfjo>
koud_: hwcomposer fails at mapping memory at some point. Altough the ioctls seems to be correct.. :/
<Karbowiak>
either way, drivers from one verison of android doesn't fit the next cause there are a fuckton of fundamental changes to how communication to and from the hardware is working
<Karbowiak>
it's stupid
<koud_>
:((
<Karbowiak>
if Windows did that with each release, it'd be fucking anarchy
<Karbowiak>
same with osx, linux, bsd you name it
<Espenfjo>
Karbowiak: opensource vs closed source
<Karbowiak>
you can take sound drivers from xp, and with small changes make them work in windows 7 for example
<Espenfjo>
It is the same on linux
<Karbowiak>
yes and no
<Karbowiak>
drivers from linux 2.6 aren't that different to the ones in 3.2
<Karbowiak>
most of the changes are compiler done
<Karbowiak>
and even if they are different, 9 out of 10 times, they still use the same calls
<Espenfjo>
But are drivers from 2.6 binary compatible with a 3.2 kernel?
<Karbowiak>
no, they need to be recompiled obv.
<Espenfjo>
Exactly
<Karbowiak>
but thats not what im talking about
<Karbowiak>
im talking about the way to communicate with them
<Karbowiak>
that rarely changes, but it changes every fucking version of android
<Espenfjo>
A recompile of the samsung blobs would probably solve the issue as well
<Karbowiak>
be it framework, driver or something else
<Karbowiak>
it's fucking retarded
<koud_>
well android is still young
<Karbowiak>
seriously hope google burns in hell with android, and meego or whatever the fuck it's called swoops in and owns it in the face
<koud_>
so it is not that strange they keep changing hal
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<Espenfjo>
heh
<Karbowiak>
sadly i dont see neither as going to happen
<Espenfjo>
None of the other operating systems you mentioned use HALs in the same way.
<koud_>
I hope it will be better with the PDK being released earlier
<Karbowiak>
i ony mentioned one
<Espenfjo>
Move away from Linux and close the kernel, and you will see that things are going to improve
<Karbowiak>
only *
<Espenfjo>
You mentioned three
<Espenfjo>
four
<Espenfjo>
:D
<Karbowiak>
nop
<Espenfjo>
20:44:15 < Karbowiak> if Windows did that with each release, it'd be fucking anarchy
<Espenfjo>
20:44:20 < Karbowiak> same with osx, linux, bsd you name it
<Espenfjo>
1 2 3 4
<Karbowiak>
i mentioned windows, linux and osx, yes, but not on mobile
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<Karbowiak>
dumbass
<Karbowiak>
i only mentioned meego on mobile
<Karbowiak>
i was comparing the driver releases on android with the ones on windows, linux and osx
<koud_>
meego will have same issue
<Espenfjo>
yes
<Espenfjo>
All opensource drivrs have this issue
<Karbowiak>
yes the drivers themselves will have to be recompiled, but the way you talk to the drivers wont
<Karbowiak>
every new android version, they change the way you talk to the hardware
<Espenfjo>
And good is that!
<Karbowiak>
then you have to use a different language, then a different way, then you have to do something different
<koud_>
as hardware evolve you will have a breaking point somewhere
<koud_>
better it is at HAL than in framework
<Karbowiak>
and in android 5.0 you probably have to kill your first born
<Espenfjo>
You go do that..
<Karbowiak>
doesn't matter, they should still have standard stuff sorted
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<Karbowiak>
like how to tell the soundcard to do it's thing, how to make the RIL initiate a call, stuff like that
<Espenfjo>
How should it be then? Should the framework know everything about every device?
<Karbowiak>
but noooooooo, that'd be ludicrus
<Karbowiak>
Espenfjo look at Windows for a sec, Microsoft sat down and hashed out strict APIs that every manufacturer of hardware had to make their drivers respond on
<Karbowiak>
be it wireless, sound, graphics, you name it
<Karbowiak>
they just had to have down those basics
<Espenfjo>
well
<Karbowiak>
everything else they could add and customize to their hearts content
<Espenfjo>
Both parts are closed source
<Espenfjo>
So that comparison is false
<Karbowiak>
not the point
<Espenfjo>
Point indeed
<Karbowiak>
*sigh*
<Karbowiak>
whatever
<Karbowiak>
android is primarily developed by one single entity, Google
<Karbowiak>
and the fact that Google can't tell hardware vendors that use their operating system, that they have to adhere to atleast a modicum of basic APIs, is fucking stupid
<koud_>
with new version of windows you also need new drivers
<koud_>
same for osx
<Karbowiak>
koud_ thats probably why i got an audio driver from XP to run on Win7
<Karbowiak>
or why i got a Vista driver to run on Win8
<Karbowiak>
audio api's between XP and Win8 aren't that different, infract the basics are the same
<Karbowiak>
graphics changed violently at Vista, then rather much again in Win8
<Karbowiak>
same with wlan
<Karbowiak>
and lan
<koud_>
and how old is android compared to windows? :P
<koud_>
it will slow down at some point probably
<Karbowiak>
but that's due to the new network stack they implemented, regardless, it's stupid that google can't sit down and say "yo, you have to follow these and these api's at the very least, to make it easy to make it run on devices, eveyrthing else you can add at your own accord"
<Karbowiak>
and that'd be it
<koud_>
but I agree, it would be nice if they left some backward compability
<koud_>
they have audio_hw.h ;)
<koud_>
and so on :P
<Karbowiak>
but i guess that's the problem with linux, and why it will never become a reliable and proper desktop operating system
<Karbowiak>
cause those type of basics aren't nailed down
<koud_>
it is not a problem for a manufacturer
<Karbowiak>
osx don't even register on the list as proper, mostly seeing as noone can do fuckall on it, unless uncle Jobs says yes to it
<koud_>
who follows the development
<Karbowiak>
koud_ doesn't really help Linux as a whole, now does it ?
<bbqbot>
derp
<IamSachin>
??????????derp :P
<IamSachin>
?
<IamSachin>
?
<IamSachin>
?
<IamSachin>
?
<Espenfjo>
10
<IamSachin>
how long before the next derp? :P
<Karbowiak>
if samsung decides "yea lets make a proper linux operating system" then thats great for samsung, but if they decide not to share all their code (except the parts in the kernel) then linux isn't any better for that
<Espenfjo>
4
<Karbowiak>
and then in a month you'll see IBM trying, then Dell then a different company, and blablabla
<IamSachin>
moto are atleast trying to make their launchers similar to ICS stock one
<IamSachin>
dont know why samsung likes ugly square icons
<Karbowiak>
regardless, fuck google
<Espenfjo>
Instead of saying that things should be like Windows you should try to understand why Windows is doing it their way, and why Android is doing it their way
<Espenfjo>
It is completely logical
<IamSachin>
Google gives u free software :)
<Karbowiak>
it is logical to alter everything on every release, everytime ?!
<bbqbot>
derp
<Karbowiak>
yes, extremely logical
<Espenfjo>
So
<IamSachin>
ICS was a major overhaul, JB is more of an increment...though it has some awesome code optimizations
<addi>
IamSachin, go tell Google to add expandable storage and not give stupid reasons for not adding it just because they want people to use their cloud service :p
<Espenfjo>
You are now basically saying that you are smarter than the people working at google, Karbowiak?
<addi>
ICS was an imcomplete project
<Espenfjo>
wow
<addi>
a preview
<addi>
unoptimized
<addi>
slower than GB
<Karbowiak>
Espenfjo im not saying im smarted you imbecile
<IamSachin>
addi yeah
<Karbowiak>
im saying they are stupid for not nailing down a modicum of basic stuff in their hal/framework
<IamSachin>
addi ICS actually created a barrier, many phones are not yet updated to ICS, only 10% as of now
<Karbowiak>
the problem is, without the basics nailed down, it's anarchy
<Karbowiak>
and you're seeing it first hand on every fucking release
<IamSachin>
I hope that the new PDK stuff helps in faster update
<addi>
Google are so stupid that their stock keyboard doesn't understand that if someone is writing down @ after some text, not to add space in between as it is most probably an email :p
<IamSachin>
updates*
<Karbowiak>
one phone works, but 900 others don't, because nothing fits from the previous version
<Espenfjo>
Well.. too bad then.. go buy an iphone
<Karbowiak>
then you get drivers that work for one phone, and suddenly 50 others work
<addi>
IamSachin, and ICS, specially 4.0.3 is too heavy for most devices
<koud_>
Karbowiak: you are very agressive with this
<Karbowiak>
Espenfjo try and get what it is im saying
<koud_>
it is what it is
<koud_>
deal with it
<Karbowiak>
instead of trying to deflect it with retardation
<Espenfjo>
Karbowiak: Why should I, you do not try to get what I am saying
<IamSachin>
addi exactly, but still I find Android ecosystem better than any other mobile ecosystem
<Karbowiak>
i do get what you're saying
<koud_>
I think early PDK release is a good thing and will solve alot
<addi>
of course, it's great
<Karbowiak>
that its closed vs open source development
<addi>
ICS was a misstep in optimization/performance
<Karbowiak>
but that doesn't hold up fuckall to what it is im saying
<addi>
but Android is still great
<Samit>
@karbowiak been reading stuff u were explaining and i guess steve from cm was also expressing his angst around the same in the last cm forum, open source is becoming more of a bane than a boon
<bbqbot>
Samit: Command does not exist!
<koud_>
it might make it possible for linaro and other groups to release updated hw drivers before next release
<koud_>
in case they get to see the PDK early
<addi>
open source = every manufacturer/carrier rapes Android and there's nothing you can do about it
<addi>
except release a PDK
<Samit>
karbowiak: been reading stuff u were explaining and i guess steve from cm was also expressing his angst around the same in the last cm forum, open source is becoming more of a bane than a boon
<addi>
or say no market access -.-
<Karbowiak>
Espenfjo what im saying is that by not sitting down and saying "hey, these are some things you HAVE to support", they are shooting themselves in the fucking face
<Karbowiak>
by making every update of android be a lenghty development process to just make it work
<Karbowiak>
cause everytime a new version is out, it's different
<Samit>
true that
<Karbowiak>
that was my primary point to begin with, that they are idiots for not doing that
<IamSachin>
i prefer to say its better, than its different
<Karbowiak>
exactly Samit
<onyx>
What the progress on cm10 gs2 ??
<Karbowiak>
its the same problem linux is having as a desktop system
<IamSachin>
people go and buy a new iCrap device with every iteration..for minimal number of extra features
<Karbowiak>
even worse now that there are starting to be even more different window managers
<Karbowiak>
that do the talking to the graphics in each their own way, and does everything juuuust a tiny bit different
<Karbowiak>
murders compatibility between programs, and just makes it an unpleasent experience for users
<koud_>
Onyx: no more cm for sgs2
<Karbowiak>
same problem with android, most people are still on android 2.2 cause developers can't be arsed to upgrade their devices, cause the upgrade path involves sooooooooooo much development
<Samit>
<Karbowiak> if samsung decides "yea lets make a proper linux operating system" then thats great for samsung, but if they decide not to share all their code (except the parts in the kernel) then linux isn't any better for that.........thats a big big problem i guess the biggest suck up
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<IamSachin>
what about apple updates Karbowiak?..its just a loose end in the name of updates. People with iPhone 4 dont get Siri. People with 3gs dont get multitasking and all. They strip down all the important features and give a dumbed down version. At least Google is not doing that.
<Karbowiak>
IamSachin that's apple, fuck apple
<Karbowiak>
they aren't relevant in this discussion
<onyx>
@koud why ??
<bbqbot>
Onyx: Command does not exist!
<Karbowiak>
and no, google is doing something worse
<Karbowiak>
by not telling hardware manufacturers to actually support their shit, they just go "whatever"
<chadouming>
Karbowiak, so true
<Karbowiak>
aint really helped much by the fact that the likes of AT&T likes to fragment it even more
<Karbowiak>
by going "YO WE WANT OUR OWN FUCKING DEVICE WITH OUR OWN FUCKING PROCESSOR!!!!!!!!"
<Karbowiak>
and then you end up with 50 versions of the Galaxy S2
<Karbowiak>
all with their own quirk
<Samit>
lol
<chadouming>
they have to get their balls and tell evey manufacturer. Hey, here is a list. Support that or you wont upgrade to any new version of android
<Karbowiak>
which is then made even worse by the fact that every version of them has a different hal
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<Karbowiak>
that doesn't have the basics nailed down
<Karbowiak>
and hey, whats this ? a new version of android? yeah fuck all of you with the 49 versions of the galaxy s2
<Samit>
lmao
<Karbowiak>
it's useles
<Karbowiak>
s
<IamSachin>
that is something which i hate about US carriers. Why the fuck they want their own config and device?.not happy with the logo alone?
<chadouming>
let's raise money to make codewrokx phone :D
<Karbowiak>
thats cause they can
<chadouming>
true
<akSeya>
netchip will launch Android Kitkat before teamhacksung launches cm10
<Karbowiak>
chadouming been tried before
<Karbowiak>
lots of companies tried to make a phone that was hacker friendly
<Karbowiak>
and had all the things that carriers wanted
<chadouming>
ended in miui phone and meizu ?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Karbowiak>
even worked on all different networks
<Karbowiak>
noone wanted to use it
<Karbowiak>
cause the carriers went "IT CAN BE HACKED? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
<IamSachin>
lol...netchip Norris phone. 43mp camera, 5.3 inches super duper amoled+-/* screen, solar powered, fingerprint sensor, gives blowjobs...with SeeEm10
<Karbowiak>
just look at the quallcom radios, they have one that can do cdma, gsm, 3g, wimax, lte you name it
<Karbowiak>
it can talk to any network on the planet
<Karbowiak>
why make 50 different galaxy S2s
<Karbowiak>
when you can make one that works everywhere
<akSeya>
lol
<Karbowiak>
and then release that
<Karbowiak>
but noooooooooooo, that'd be sane
<DarkAlchemist>
sanity? what world are you on
<IamSachin>
Karbowiak: i noticed a little less fragmentation in Galaxy S3 compared to S2. I wish they get lesser.
<Karbowiak>
lets make 50 versions with all their own quirks running 50 different versions of android that dont work together at all, and at the same time, lets add some more hardware to some of them, and change the processor in others, maybe att more ram in a few of them
<chadouming>
yeah, they could make the same fucking phone with a different logo on it
<Karbowiak>
anyway, it all comes back to bite the users in the ass, and bitchslap google in the face
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<IamSachin>
exactly..change the body design if you want, but not the hardware
<chadouming>
DarkAlchemist, less fragmentation ? haha
<Karbowiak>
cause they never sat down and said "yo, listen, these are the basics you have to adhere to, this is required to make the hardware work with the system"
<chadouming>
yeah yeah
<DarkAlchemist>
Or they could just open source all the shiz at least
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<Karbowiak>
just look at how many phones are still on android 2.x
<chadouming>
and that's not even counting the internationnal SGS III
<Karbowiak>
never getting upgraded cause of the hardware
<Karbowiak>
it'd cost too much to upgrade them for the manufacturer
<DarkAlchemist>
4 variants for the US :|
<Karbowiak>
and the carrier is like "whatever, if it doesnt get upgraded, they have to buy a new one, MOAR MONEYYYYYYYYY"
<Karbowiak>
prefer it the way apple is doing it, they dont give two shits about the carrier
<chadouming>
yeah, and the Docomo version is not out yet
<Karbowiak>
they upgrade all their phones, some of the olders ones dont get some of the new features tho, but they
<Karbowiak>
they still get upgraded
<chadouming>
yup, but they are one manufacturer
<Karbowiak>
windows phones are the same, they all get upgraded, tho the WP7 phones cant get WP8, but that was to be expected
<chadouming>
they dont give a fuck about carrier cause they have 1 phone
<Karbowiak>
WP7 phones just had a staggered upgrade pattern
<chadouming>
and they know everyone want apple
<Karbowiak>
yes but windows phones are the same chadouming
<chadouming>
yup
<Karbowiak>
tho they are made by lots of manufacturers
<Karbowiak>
and they care about the carrier
<chadouming>
but you were talking of apple besfore
<Karbowiak>
they still manage to upgrade all of them
<chadouming>
before*
<Karbowiak>
yeah iknow
<Karbowiak>
i was making an example
<brgroover>
apple is trash
<Karbowiak>
but then you have android
<brgroover>
trash is apple
<chadouming>
had to say my 2 cent about apple
<chadouming>
xD
<brgroover>
android is winner
<brgroover>
this point.
<Karbowiak>
brgroover is it now ?
<Karbowiak>
the HTC Desire was left at android 2.whatever
<brgroover>
yeah Karbowiak
<Karbowiak>
it can run ICS just fine
<Karbowiak>
but it never got it
<chadouming>
well, it's gaining more and more market
<Karbowiak>
cause it'd take too much to upgrade it
<Karbowiak>
Galaxy S?
<bbqbot>
derp
<brgroover>
siri is just striped by Google noooooooooow
<chadouming>
and has the biggest share of the market
<Karbowiak>
it can run ICS, it never got it
<Karbowiak>
cause it'd take too much to upgrade it
<Karbowiak>
Galaxy S2 will get the same treatment at some point
<Karbowiak>
and so forth
<chadouming>
true
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<brgroover>
samsung will update galaxy s2
<Karbowiak>
not the point
<chadouming>
yeah, but not eternally
<Karbowiak>
the point is, android changes drasticly in every version that is released
<DarkAlchemist>
Isn't that what CM is all about, getting the latest version of android on phones if it's hardware is good enough?
<Karbowiak>
and without some basics nailed down as to how to communicate with the hardware
<Karbowiak>
the problem is just gonna snowball
<DarkAlchemist>
And stripping out all the shite from carriers
<Karbowiak>
give it two years and we still have android phones out there on 2.x
<brgroover>
milestone 1 gets 4.0.4
<brgroover>
locked bootloader
<Karbowiak>
and then we have a handfull on 4.0.x
<Karbowiak>
and then a handfull on 4.1.x
<brgroover>
256mb ram
<Karbowiak>
and a handfull on 5.x
<IamSachin>
Actually you are talking these things coz Android is open source, and we know that it got changed where and how?
<brgroover>
150mb system partition
<IamSachin>
no one knows what the hell is going on in iOS or WP
<brgroover>
600mhz
<Karbowiak>
while you have a boatload of iphones on ios 8.x
<brgroover>
2009 device
<chadouming>
we shall all take time to formule it correctly and ask android team to do it !
<chadouming>
we are 130 here
<Karbowiak>
and a boatload of WP8/9 devices that are all upgraded
<brgroover>
get time to devs
<chadouming>
we can share easyly
<Karbowiak>
android is fragmented like a motherfucker, and it's only going to get worse
<addi>
i just realized. can't really recover files from the GNex if it ever gets formatted, can we?
<IamSachin>
Karbowiak: which mobile do u use? :)
<addi>
due to stupid MTP?
<Karbowiak>
atleast they are making inroads to make the basics with the SDK or whatever it's called
<brgroover>
i used 4.0.4 on Milestone, i can proof
<Karbowiak>
IamSachin im on a GS2
<chadouming>
adb while in recovery ?
<Karbowiak>
but im seriously considering a WP8 device
<chadouming>
you will get the file back
<Karbowiak>
Microsoft is kind to it's hacking developers just like Palm was
* addi
would use a WP8 device if it had multitasking like Android. tried WP7, oh so limited
<chadouming>
if you format data, it doesnt format internal virtual SDcard
<Karbowiak>
MS even gave hardware, phones, money to the guy who made the chevron jailbreak thing for the WP7 devices
<DarkAlchemist>
ugh WP8 :(
<chadouming>
WP8 seems like it bring a lot compared to wp7
<addi>
multitasking like Symbian would be best, though these awesome smartphone OS makers of today obviously can't do that
<Karbowiak>
Palm/HP gave servers, money and phones to the WebOS hacking community
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<Karbowiak>
chadouming WP8 will be awesome
<addi>
Karbowiak, in exchange for asking them to not sell so many unlock keys
<Karbowiak>
can you say kernel compatible with Windows ?
<bbqbot>
derp
<IamSachin>
Nexus device is the answer to everything :P
<addi>
they wanted less 'jailbreaks' so had to give the Chevron team something :p
<Karbowiak>
can you say DirectX compatible with Windows ?
<Karbowiak>
can you say programming language compatible with Windows ?
<addi>
WP8 will be awesome, but still an extremely limited OS
<Karbowiak>
you can take any game engine from Windows, compile it for arm and it would run on windows phone 8
<addi>
that's my problem
<chadouming>
i dont get you on last comment
<IamSachin>
my iOS dumb friends say, "my device can be jailbroken, can urs be?"
<Karbowiak>
chadouming any programming language you can use on windows, will be useable on WP8
<addi>
i'll probably get a WP8 as my secondary device
<chadouming>
hmm
<brgroover>
i dont like nexus
<Karbowiak>
if you want to code in python, you can do that
<brgroover>
old sgx 540
<Baskey>
I don't like WP8
<chadouming>
as long as it's useable in arm
<brgroover>
i will buy new nexus
<Karbowiak>
exactly
<brgroover>
galaxy nexus never
<chadouming>
i like my galaxy nexus
<chadouming>
hmm
<chadouming>
what about boot2gecko ?
<IamSachin>
Galaxy Nexus is the most awesome android device right now :)
<Karbowiak>
if the bootloader is compromised, then i guess sure
<brgroover>
firefox os
<Karbowiak>
but all Windows ARM devices will have locked down bootloaders, or signed bootloaders or something like that
<DarkAlchemist>
hmmm
<Baskey>
Firefox OS is for mid/low-end devices
<DarkAlchemist>
After seeing the travesty that is Windows 8
<brgroover>
only for opensource's drivers
<Karbowiak>
Windows 8 is lovely DarkAlchemist
<DarkAlchemist>
I don't want to touch MS products
<Karbowiak>
the metro interface is for touch yes
<DarkAlchemist>
(Karbowiak): Explain
<Karbowiak>
but you can make it "go away"
<Karbowiak>
and use the machine as a regular desktop computer
<DarkAlchemist>
i shouldn't have to
<chadouming>
not in latest windows 8
<Karbowiak>
learn a few keyboard shortcuts and voila
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<Karbowiak>
win+q = program search
<DarkAlchemist>
just to shut it down was an effort
<Karbowiak>
win+w = control panel search
<Karbowiak>
win+f = file search
<Baskey>
that's retarded
<DarkAlchemist>
Users shouldn't have to learn keyboard shortcuts
<Karbowiak>
they dont have to
<chadouming>
lol
<DarkAlchemist>
Just to do basic use
<Karbowiak>
powers users dont have to
<Baskey>
IDGAF about these shortcuts
<Karbowiak>
but power users do
<Baskey>
gtfo with that
<chadouming>
only shortcut i need is win + r
<Baskey>
-1
<DarkAlchemist>
For any new computer user
<Baskey>
lawl
<Karbowiak>
i use keyboard shortcuts all the time
<Karbowiak>
and i love win8
<addi>
Karbowiak, Metro still messes it up
<Baskey>
+1 *
<Karbowiak>
it doesn't
<DarkAlchemist>
Windows 8 is unintuitive
<addi>
even if you don't have to use it
<addi>
I want a normal Start menu
<Karbowiak>
addi the amount i interact with metro is at boot
<addi>
as simple as that
<Karbowiak>
and then never again
<Baskey>
DarkAlchemist: agree
<addi>
and that needs a hack
<Karbowiak>
i dont even miss the start menu
<Karbowiak>
addi if i want to launch a program
<Karbowiak>
i hit win+q
<Karbowiak>
type a few letters of the programs name
<Karbowiak>
and hit enter
<Karbowiak>
and it launches, done deal
<DarkAlchemist>
Metro should be an option enabled or disabled at Windows install
<addi>
i'll probably get used to Metro, but waiting on final W8 release to start getting used to it
<Araemo>
addi: you have a normal start menu, it's full screen.. but you use it the same way.. tap windows key, type what you want to find, hit enter to return to the desktop and have it open.
<chadouming>
that's true that i got used with the new metro UI and i'm not disliking it
<Karbowiak>
metro is scary at first, sure
<chadouming>
feel strange at first, then it's like start menu, but better
<addi>
Karbowiak, Araemo, actually, all my shortcuts are on the desktop, so i'll be fine
<chadouming>
exactly
<Karbowiak>
the best parts about Win8 is hiding behind metro anyway
<Karbowiak>
stuff like Storage Spaces is fucking awesome
<DarkAlchemist>
hmm
<addi>
just waiting for the final release to start using W8
<Karbowiak>
can you say ZFS on Windows ?
<Araemo>
you use desktop shortcuts? Why? I prefer keyboard shortcuts.. win key followed by program name is so much faster.
<DarkAlchemist>
Final release is soon right
<DarkAlchemist>
?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Karbowiak>
next month yes
<Karbowiak>
next month is RTM
<Araemo>
Karbowiak: One can hope.. I'm just going to use ZFS on my network. ;)
<addi>
Araemo, click on show desktop button, double click on app shortcut
<addi>
it's fast
<Karbowiak>
and the month after is release to customers
<Karbowiak>
RTM is the same tho
<addi>
no need to reach for windows key + q when i have the mouse :p
<Araemo>
addi: keyboard is faster than mouse..
<Karbowiak>
Araemo ZFS is still nicer than Storage Spaces
<Karbowiak>
but SP is still awesome as hell
<Araemo>
windows + q? what's that do?
<addi>
it is, not in this case though
<Karbowiak>
win+q = program search
<Baskey>
[21:25] (Araemo) addi: keyboard is faster than mouse..
<brgroover>
all videos comparing galaxy s2 with galaxy nexus are touchwiz vs pure aosp. i want to view cm9 vs cm9
<Baskey>
bollocks
<Espenfjo>
@bomb Karbowiak
<bbqbot>
Karbowiak, you have been challenged!
<bbqbot>
Answer (red, blue, green, orange, brown) before time runs out!
<Karbowiak>
you can type a few letters and just hit enter and launch the program
<bbqbot>
10
<bbqbot>
Wrong wire!
<bbqbot>
BOOM!
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<Baskey>
:)
<Araemo>
lol
<Karbowiak>
are you 6 years old Espenfjo ?
<Araemo>
Karbowiak: I never needed to win+q, just win...
<brgroover>
what is deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp?
<addi>
it's odd reaching for q with the win key
<addi>
better use the mouse
<Espenfjo>
Karbowiak: Yes
<Karbowiak>
Araemo true, but if i need a program i dont have on the desktop or on the start screen
<Baskey>
Karbowiak: that was my request
<Karbowiak>
win+q wins :)
<addi>
Araemo, win = open start menu where you type in the name of app
<addi>
on Metro do you get a search box on pressing win?
<Karbowiak>
no
<Karbowiak>
winkey only opens the start menu
<addi>
then what is he on about? xD
<Araemo>
I thought you did.. Do I need to boot up my vm and check? :P
<Karbowiak>
once you start typing it'll do the search tho
<addi>
ah, so it works like that
<addi>
good
<Araemo>
ah.. so it doesn't show a box, but it responds like one has focus
<Karbowiak>
but if you want to jump to search right away, you can just do win+q for program
<Karbowiak>
win+w for control panel
<Karbowiak>
and win+f for files
<addi>
though still, show desktop + mouse click on app name = fastest
<Karbowiak>
if you hit win and start typing it's only program
<addi>
reaching for q is quite uncomfortable
<Araemo>
Karbowiak: that's my main complaint, is the separation of programs and settings in search.. too used to just searching for control panels.
<Karbowiak>
Araemo true, i wish the search was smarter in that aspect
<Karbowiak>
it should do like Alfred for OSX does
<addi>
oh well, gonna use W8 when it's out, i is good at getting used to things
<Karbowiak>
search in all areas except files
<Araemo>
Karbowiak: betting that can be fixed, if not with a simple registry setting, with a 3rd party program.
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<Karbowiak>
more than likely yeah
<Karbowiak>
but anyway, instead of being scared of Win8, and being like "UHHH NO, METRO SUCKS" give it a shot
<Baskey>
UHHH NO, METRO SUCKS
<Karbowiak>
only way i look at linux machines these days is via putty tbh
<Araemo>
Yeah.. I don't like the style, I don't like the interface.. but when actually attempting to use a computer, it just gets out of my way and lets me use the desktop. ;)
<Karbowiak>
im never touching a linux desktop system again
<Karbowiak>
gnome looks like stale ass, kde is even worse
<Karbowiak>
dont even get me started on the likes of xfce and whatnot
<Araemo>
Karbowiak: pretty much the same here... I use a VM for cm9 builds, and a server for.. well, router and serving files..
<Karbowiak>
same here
<Baskey>
@8ball does Windows 8 sucks?
<bbqbot>
It is decidedly so.
<Karbowiak>
dual hexa in holland for all the heavy lifting stuff
<Araemo>
I used linux as my primary laptop OS for a long time, until I started gaming on my laptop again.. then I was booting to linux less and less.
<Karbowiak>
and my nas/gateway at home for all the file storing needs :)
<IamSachin>
@8ball ay Caramba!
<bbqbot>
It is decidedly so.
<Baskey>
IamSachin: :D
<Karbowiak>
tho i might change the nas/gateway to the newest Win server once it's out
<Araemo>
So, when will bbqlog be able to sort by d2 devices?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Karbowiak>
Storage Spaces + the new filesystem, mmmmmhhh
<Araemo>
Karbowiak: I'm splitting my devices.. I want a router running linux becuase that's what I'm used to managing my firewall on.. but I want good ZFS support, so I need a BSD box for that..
<Karbowiak>
ZFSonLinux works nicely
<Araemo>
plus, a router can be a small, low-power device.. spinning disks are hot and power-hungry... so I want those in the basement
<Karbowiak>
tho personally im running mdadm raid5 with xfs on my nas
<Karbowiak>
honestly, why not combine it into one ?
<Araemo>
I haven't checked in a few months, but last I heard ZFS on linux was VERY far behind BSD, which itself was a few releases behind solaris.. and performacne sucked.
<Karbowiak>
the NAS i have is relatively low power, but its also doing duties as router and gateway
<IamSachin>
@8ball Do you consider Siri as ur lawfully wedded wife?
<bbqbot>
Signs point to yes.
<Araemo>
I HAVE considered combining them with a hypervisor and using passthrough disks for zfs..
<koud_>
Espenfjo: hacksung have patched version of hardware/samsung for jellybean internally? I am thinking it is the cause if my build issues
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<koud_>
not just LOG vs ALOG difference, seems something else is wrong too
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<koud_>
maybe includes are messed up after framework splitup
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<Espenfjo>
koud_: well.. we have a repo I am currently using. But there isnt really that much thats changed
<Espenfjo>
What issues are you facing?
<Espenfjo>
Most of the issues with libhardware and hardware/samsung is the framework not merged yet
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<Karbowiak>
so noone wants a free server for a month?
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<Espenfjo>
hm.. your server reminds me that I have to test the new g8 servers more
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<Espenfjo>
koud_: Just poke me with the issues you are facing, and I will try and see if I have experienced some of them :)
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<koud_>
ok so it might be framework side?
<koud_>
I keep getting this kind of errors
<koud_>
make: *** No rule to make target `out/target/product/galaxys2/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libmediayamahaservice_intermediates/export_includes', needed by `out/target/product/galaxys2/obj/EXECUTABLES/mediaserver_intermediates/import_includes'. Stop.
<koud_>
but seems to compile without hardware/samsung
<Espenfjo>
ah, yeah.. just set BOARD_USES_YAMAHA to false for the time being
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<Espenfjo>
BOARD_USE_YAMAHAPLAYER := false
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<Espenfjo>
Its defined in frameworks/av/media/mediaserver/Android.mk
<Espenfjo>
ibmediayamahaservice is a blob in cm9
<ernie`>
wub wub wub
<ernie`>
or should I say
<ernie`>
rain rain rain
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<koud_>
Espenfjo: thanks
<koud_>
wish the error messages would be bit more verbose
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<Espenfjo>
It is a bit hard to know what makefile complaining, yes :/
<Espenfjo>
But just grep for the part before intermediates and see whats up there
<Espenfjo>
Its either a dependency thats changed/remove/obsoleted, or blobs, or stuff missing/not merged etc.
<Espenfjo>
shouldnt be too many. yamaha, tvout, libsurfaceflinger_client
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<koud_>
hmm but I should have those if it is the same as in ICS
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<choirboy>
no clue if this is the right place to ask this, sorry... I have a Galaxy Nexus. I use Linux. I would really, really love to get a bunch of files off my phone. How the everloving Hell do I do it? MTP isn't supported worth a damn, and even when I try to connect to it as a camera, it's really, really flaky.
<choirboy>
Does anyone have any advice for getting whole directories out of the the /sdcard directory to my computer?
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<Espenfjo>
I am not sure if the GNex did ever get UMS support. But go to Settings->Storage, menu click, and select usb connection configuration
<Espenfjo>
Or something similar
<Espenfjo>
Check if you can select UMS
<choirboy>
it does not appear to be there
<Espenfjo>
:( Then it didnt get ums love
<choirboy>
crap
<choirboy>
MTP and Camera are the only options
<Espenfjo>
hm, you could always try to do: adb shell setprop persist.sys.usb.config ums,adb
<Espenfjo>
hmm
<Espenfjo>
was it ums or was it something else
<choirboy>
I used to get around it by using an android file manager to move a bunch of stuff under the DCIM directory
<choirboy>
but even that doesn't work too well any more
<choirboy>
I'm afraid I am ignorant of UMS - what is it?
<Espenfjo>
USB Mass Storage
<Espenfjo>
Like connecting the sdcard directly to your computer
<Espenfjo>
Like it was in the old days
<Espenfjo>
And it wasnt adb shell setprop persist.sys.usb.config ums,adb, but adb shell setprop persist.sys.usb.config mass_storage,adb
<choirboy>
I can use adb on my gnex even if it's not rooted, I just can't su, right?
<Cym>
yep
<Cym>
you can use adb without root
<Cym>
you just wont have root access
<Cym>
lavajoe, there is a new build?
<Cym>
i only see a build from 20120706
<Cym>
and the H/W decoding is not working for that one
<Cym>
I hope codeworkx can fix that
<Cym>
I have been also waiting for a build with the H/W decoding working
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<lavajoe>
Cym: That's the build
<lavajoe>
Weird, though... on stock (Samsung), MX player worked well with HW mode, whereas in CM9, Dice Player seems to work better with HW mode (and it did not on stock)
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<Cym>
h/w decoding works, but only with constant bitrates
<Cym>
if you try to watch a video that is encoded with variable bitrates, then it will crash the hardware decoder
<Cym>
with hardware acceleration enabled
<lavajoe>
Oh, so does stock handle variable bitrates, then?
<Cym>
you can re-encode to a constant bitrate, but it is not ideal
<Cym>
yes stock does not have the problem
<lavajoe>
I cannot remember how I encoded the videos I'm testing
<lavajoe>
Actually, I saw stock (4.0.3) hang once during a video - hard hang
<Cym>
when the hardware decoder crashes, it makes like a compressed line or video horizontally on the screen
<Cym>
of video*
<Cym>
line*
<Cym>
it makes a line of compressed video horizontally on the screen
<lavajoe>
ah. this was jsut frozen on a frame, and the audio was stuck looping (what seemed like looping a few ms of samples)
<Cym>
this explains the problem and also a way to encode to hack around it
<Cym>
even though it is not the ideal solution, atleast we can work around it until codeworkx can fix it
<Cym>
but the stock rom does not crash
<Cym>
only cm9
<lavajoe>
I see. OK, well this is good info. I re-encode all my videos anyway specially for the tab
<lavajoe>
so I could re-run the encoding script
<Cym>
yah
<lavajoe>
So does MX Player simply use software when it sees variable rate?
<lavajoe>
or does it work a little and then crash at times?
<Cym>
mx player and all other players use the same firmware in the video card when using hardware decoding
<Cym>
that is why all the players are affected when they use the chip
<Cym>
software decoding is not affected
<Cym>
mx player will default to hardware decoding when it tries to play an mp4 file
<Cym>
that is why mx player crashes too
<lavajoe>
hm, well I have not seen the crash (yet), but MX Player seems to behave identically with HW or SW, whereas with stock it did not.
<Cym>
the crash happens when you watch television shows in mp4 format
<lavajoe>
Even small issues like HW not detecting the aspect correctly went away, so I assume under CM9, HW is not used, and it is falling back to SW, even though it shows the HW symbol
<Cym>
because tv has a variable bitrate/framerate
<Cym>
if you try to playback The Daily Show in mp4 from the torrent sites, it will crash in 5-10 mins
<Cym>
the default encoding used for television torrents is variable bitrates
<Cym>
especially NTSC encodings
<lavajoe>
OK,. but this all assumes it's actually trying to use HW in CM9. What I'm seeing makes me thing not...
<lavajoe>
Except that Dice Player seems to behave like it us using HW - doesn't make sense...
<Cym>
when i tried mx player, it had the h/w symbol in the corner when i tried to play mp4
<lavajoe>
Yep, I saw that symbol, too
<Cym>
and it crashed the same way for me
<lavajoe>
ok
<lavajoe>
well, maybe the jerkiness I see is also related to the HW issue
<Cym>
yeah or encodings
<lavajoe>
MX Player was very smooth in HW on stock, but it is jerky on CM9
<Cym>
it is usually jerky when the HW is not working
<lavajoe>
...yeah, that matches my theory that my MX player is not actually using HW
<Cym>
but i think it is because I crashed it
<lavajoe>
I figured at first that CM9 just was not enabling it (even though the player does not grey out tegh HW option
<Cym>
although there are many options
<Cym>
i get the feeling that the video driver is not working right in cm9
<Cym>
because when I use the web browser, it is also choppy
<Cym>
its like running linux with a vga driver
<Cym>
is what it feels like
<Cym>
no acceleration
<Cym>
I think the problem is that is is working, but not correctly
<Cym>
it is*
<Cym>
Once the video driver is fixed, the ROM will not have any more critical problems I think.
<Cym>
Not that it is *critical* but it is annoying
<Cym>
Codeworkx must be working on it because we have not seen another build in over a week.
<Cym>
Help us Codeworkx, you're our only hope.
<lavajoe>
yeah, definitely choppiness is annoying - do you know if he's aware of the issue? (other than that it's been a while)?
<lavajoe>
lol :)
<lavajoe>
I read that he supports the european phones, but does he support all tablets for CM?
<lavajoe>
(samsung ones)?
<Cym>
I've been complaining in here about it for a week
<Cym>
I think he knows
<Cym>
:-P
<lavajoe>
ah :) ok
<lavajoe>
well, I'd been away for a while, and just checked back in today to see what was new for the P5113. Found the build and finally got to flashng CWM and installing it
<Cym>
the 06 build fixes the microphone issues
<Cym>
it fixes voicecontrol and google talk
<lavajoe>
ah. I haven't tried skype
<lavajoe>
wonder if it workls
<Cym>
it will work with the latest build
<lavajoe>
cool
<Cym>
20120706
<lavajoe>
well, I'll be giving it a workout now. I tend to notice small things (like the video issue)
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<Cym>
yeah me too
<Cym>
:-)
<lavajoe>
it's a curse ;)
<Cym>
i know what you mean
<Cym>
but other than that, its not a bad ROM
<Cym>
in fact, the video problem is the last major issue I can find
<Cym>
there are little things, but nothing big
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<lavajoe>
very glad to be rid of the screenshot button! Oh, but no hulu...DRM issue - hate that
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