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<rubie> hi all
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<rubie> is there a simple way to turn a number like 3 into an array like [1,2,3]?
<rubie> 4 into [1,2,3,4]
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<fennec> rubie: (1..3).to_a
<benzrf> fennec: theyre long gone
<fennec> happens
<fennec> i considered reading it on the scrollback spam
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<fennec> okay here's a simpler C extension question
<fennec> how do I invoke the constructor on an arbitrary class? is it... hmm, maybe it's just a method named .new
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<wallerdev_> banisterfiend would know
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<jeaye> Hanmac: I hit some more weirdness with ruby-openid.
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<jeaye> Surely OpenID::Consumer::SUCCESS is the status when we get here, but ax_resp always comes back nil.
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<benzrf> >> (1..3).to_a
<eval-in___> benzrf => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/197167)
<benzrf> hm
<benzrf> .
<benzrf> >> (1...3).to_a
<eval-in___> benzrf => [1, 2] (https://eval.in/197168)
<benzrf> >> (1....3).to_a
<eval-in___> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-6629591b9ed7/source-6629591b9ed7:2: no .<digit> floating literal anymore; put 0 before dot ... (https://eval.in/197169)
<benzrf> !
<benzrf> >> (1...0.3).to_a
<eval-in___> benzrf => [] (https://eval.in/197170)
<benzrf> 19>> (1....3).to_a
<eval-in___> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-9068d27acc03/source-9068d27acc03:2: no .<digit> floating literal anymore; put 0 before dot ... (https://eval.in/197171)
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<benzrf> 18>> (1....3).to_a
<eval-in___> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-c26681f39377/source-c26681f39377:2: no .<digit> floating literal anymore; put 0 before dot ... (https://eval.in/197172)
<benzrf> aw
<benzrf> 17>> (1....3).to_a
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> how to best write a language that ruby parses?
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<eam> a/win 60
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<centrx> shevy, parse string into tokens, each token can have basically subtokens
<shevy> ok thanks
<centrx> shevy, Then you get the form of grammar you often see in docs, like e.g. (bad example) http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/select.html
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<centrx> cool
<shevy> yeah
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<jeaye> Any ruby-openid folks here? I have a success response, but apparently the mode in it is nil, so I'm hitting: https://github.com/openid/ruby-openid/blob/master/lib/openid/extensions/ax.rb#L47
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<eam> I don't think you can use BNF to fully describe ruby
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<centrx> eam, I think he's creating a language "that ruby parses"
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<neoice> Ruby is entirely pass-by-reference, correct?
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<shevy> my hope is that I can use a pseudo dsl
<centrx> neoice, technically yes
<shevy> like:
<neoice> centrx: what's the catch?
<shevy> jquery +
<shevy> right now I can do
<shevy> jquery :+
<centrx> neoice, numbers (Numeric) and true/false, etc. act like pass-by-value because there is only one such object in the entire system, (e.g. there is only one number 1)
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<centrx> e.g. TrueClass, FalseClass, NilClass
<centrx> kind of like singleton classes
<shevy> eam does perl have means to continue when it encounters invalid syntax?
<eam> sure, eval
<eam> there are two kinds
<eam> stringy-eval is like ruby's eval, and block-eval is like ruby's begin/rescue
<shevy> hmm
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<jhass> neoice: fully pass by reference, that we have some immutable types doesn't really matter IMO
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<shevy> is it really called "stringy-eval"? or did you make up that word
<eam> shevy: and that's why you can't BNF ruby, btw
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<eam> or, one of many reasons
<eam> shevy: I did not make it up
<centrx> meta- meta-dynamic metaprogramming
<eam> begin/ensure can contain grammar which no parser can handle, yet is valid ruby
<eam> er, begin/rescue
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<eam> I may have added the y
<shevy> hey
<eam> in my defense, strings can be pretty stringy
<shevy> perl has longer docus than ruby
<eam> perl has amazingly better docs than ruby
<shevy> local $SIG{'__DIE__'} = sub { (my $x = $_[0]) =~ s/foo/bar/g; die $x };
<eam> it's cool though they mostly apply to ruby
<shevy> how can you even look at this and not die instantly
<eam> I really am not kidding when I say I use perldoc to undersetand ruby
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<eam> shevy: write it in ruby
<eam> then tell me it's bad
<shevy> I don't even know what is local
<eam> that's because ruby doesn't have the concept
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<shevy> ah but there is one cool thing
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<shevy> you can click on it on that docu!
<eam> local() is a lexically scoped global
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<shevy> lol that docu part is cool
<shevy> "You really probably want to be using my instead, because local isn't what most people think of as "local"."
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<eam> shevy: imagine you want to set ENV['THING'] for a block scope
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<eam> ENV is a global
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<Phonetiki> to some of us, that's just an everyday perlism
<shevy> directly modifying ENV scares me
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<fennec> wait when did we turn into #perl
<Phonetiki> you never set envars?
<eam> { local $ENV{'PATH'} = "special:path"; system "special thing"; } # end of block scope, ENV reverts to previous values
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<eam> you have to use ensure in ruby =/
<eam> boilerplate code everywhere
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<eam> I guess you could use a binding?
<fennec> to be fair, it's a convenience shortcut for something you shouldn't be doing a lot
<eam> fennec: yeah but that sums up the scripting use case in its entirity
<eam> lots of little things that individually are terrible
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<fennec> if you are doing it a lot, perhaps write a little helper function with_env(key:value, key:value) do ..... end
<fennec> that restores it for you :)
<shevy> Phonetiki actually I have
<eam> but ENV is explicitly a global per unix
<shevy> in one project I do ENV['CFLAGS'] = some_new_value_Here
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<shevy> but I felt dirty afterwards
<eam> you can't use a mere variable, you're setting platform values
<shevy> and went to take a bathe immediately afterwards
<shevy> *bath
<eam> shevy: ignore local, try to write the rest in ruby
<eam> see what you end up with
<Phonetiki> that's just ridiculous
<eam> my $SIG{'__DIE__'} = sub { (my $x = $_[0]) =~ s/foo/bar/g; die $x };
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<shevy> well you can see through it, I don't know what is the rest either
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<shevy> $SIG looks like a global var
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<shevy> and it dies in a block
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<shevy> sub is subroutine right? that's like... a function or something
<fennec> also note that in Ruby you can system(ENV.merge({hash containing your keys}), command)
<fennec> and exec
<shevy> and die will exit, with probably the variable $x put to the user
<shevy> perl has this nasty habit of putting it all in one line
<eam> shevy: sub foo {} is def foo. and sub {} is lambda {}
<eam> they aren't weirdly different like in ruby
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<eam> or I guess -> since we're using obscure ruby syntax
<eam> shevy: Signal.trap() uses a string too
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<shevy> I have not used lambda {} a lot
<shevy> and thankfully I have never used ->
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<shevy> actually, I do use proc {} sometimes
<shevy> in some ruby-gnome GUI callback code
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<shevy> Signal.trap('SIGINT') { exit }
<shevy> \o/
<fennec> UNIX environments aren't really globals, they're a property of Process. You can create new ones and pass them to child processes with ease. see man 2 execve
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<eam> fennec: they're global, always. it just so happens that execve will let you set them when creating a new process (with new process globals)
<eam> they cannot be thread-local. they're readable from /proc/$$
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<eam> but you can avoid inheriting them :)
<fennec> definitely not thread-local, no :)
<eam> >> Signal.trap("USR1", proc { puts "sup"} ); Process.kill("USR1", $$)
<eval-in___> eam => sup ... (https://eval.in/197175)
<fennec> but a property of Process, not a property of OperatingSystem or Computer. >.>
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<eam> fennec: globals are process globals, there's one per address space
<eam> that's kinda what the term means
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<eam> if unix didn't have protected memory then it would have computer scope
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<Nilium> And that would be a no good, very bad thing
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* fennec shrugs. If you're worrying about setting environment variables you're probably worried about invoking another process. or else you're doing it wrong.
<eam> something something systems programming
<fennec> something something ms-dos
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* eam fires up ruby on DOS
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* fennec contends that operating systems are a mistake.
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<eam> totally works
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<eam> travis-ci should have freedos as a target platform
<Phonetiki> trying to figure out how operating systems are a mistake
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<eam> are we counting the ruby vm when we talk about operating systems?
* centrx uses HappyFuntime on the JVM on ChromeOS on FreeDOS
<Phonetiki> eam, it's at least os-like
<Phonetiki> satisfies duck typing for osen
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<Phonetiki> <qvaak>
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<fennec> eam - <3 for ENV['BLASTER']
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<fennec> Phonetiki- why use an OS when you can just use containers? </troll>
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<Phonetiki> under the bridge wi ye
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<shevy> fennec let's make a ruby operating system once mruby is ready
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<centrx> shevy, k
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<Arahael> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~
<Arahael> sorry - scrolling in irssi while using a tablet is stupid.
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<centrx> Arahael, Are you on the Internet?
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<Phonetiki> it'd be tough to be on irc without the Internet
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<eam> fennec: that's my favorite part of dosbox
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<Arahael> centrx: not sure?
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<bricker`LA> I am have a hard time getting Faraday to work with an SSL request. I have followed this for Ubuntu but get the same error: https://github.com/lostisland/faraday/wiki/Setting-up-SSL-certificates
<bricker`LA> The error is: Faraday::Error::ConnectionFailed: SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed
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<bricker`LA> I can't curl it either
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<deject3d> is this the right place to ask for ruby help
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<``PeeR> so... I decided to learn ruby
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<jle`> ``PeeR: yay!
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<``PeeR> lol
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<``PeeR> is it a good move ?
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<jle`> time will tell :)
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<``PeeR> lol
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<``PeeR> jle`, you were using what before ruby ?
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<Hanmac> ``PeeR: what language did you do before?
<``PeeR> php
<``PeeR> java, many years ago
<``PeeR> but php currently
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<``PeeR> ah thanks
<``PeeR> I'm taking a course on lynda.com
<jle`> i don't use ruby anymore, but i have fond memories of my time with it
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<``PeeR> what do you use jle` ?
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<jle`> haskell
<jle`> ruby helped me with my transition, though :)
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<``PeeR> haskell ?
<``PeeR> damn, don't even know it
<``PeeR> hehe
<``PeeR> you use it for websites ?
<``PeeR> applications ?
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<last_staff1> why should I ruby instead of, say, python?
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<``PeeR> last_staff1, it's not a competition
<``PeeR> you should look at what you are programming
<``PeeR> and then see what langage do you need for THAT thing
<last_staff1> so pretty much the same conclusion I came up with
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<``PeeR> hehe
<last_staff1> not entirely sure how to sell it to the rest of the staff, in terms of usability
<``PeeR> BUT
<``PeeR> Ruby is in expansion on the market
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<``PeeR> you could find a good job with it
<``PeeR> it's for your business ?
<last_staff1> yeah, though it's not so much about the job itself rather than what I'm trying to accomplish
<last_staff1> basically I'm thinking of a way to make a launcher for vagrant
<last_staff1> I could use any language that supports gui-creation (that's also somewhat cross-platform), but the ROI isn't necessarily as high when using different languages together
<last_staff1> i can see it'll become.....messy....sort of.
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<``PeeR> may be if you look for the long term... next programmer... in 20 years... what do you think they will programm with ?
<``PeeR> i was at a company 5 years ago
<``PeeR> all scripts in perl and asp
<``PeeR> grrrrrrr
<last_staff1> that's a kind of problem in itself though
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<``PeeR> and we were transcripting in php and Python, haha
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<last_staff1> I remember an internal 'suite' of snippets, which had about the same amount of programmers as there were tasks
<``PeeR> <last_staff1> why should I ruby instead of, say, python?
<``PeeR> did you pick python randomly ?
<last_staff1> main gui in java, tasks also in java, some of the programs were in python....well jython, and some with jni-connectors to .net components which again connected to perl and terminals (powershell and bash)
<last_staff1> messy
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<``PeeR> omg
<last_staff1> yeah, I picked python randomly.
<``PeeR> even worste than my history
<``PeeR> I think the Ruby community is bigger than the Python one..
<``PeeR> but i'm not sure
<last_staff1> the answer to that is still funny though: "If it ain't broken, why fix it?"
<``PeeR> lol
<``PeeR> my favorite answer
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<last_staff1> although when I think about it, I think the funniest part was when a co-worker rewrote everything in python with 'bash-connectors'
<last_staff1> spent, like, 3 months or so on it
<last_staff1> and it worked beautifully
<last_staff1> .....on linux
<last_staff1> the fact that 80% of the tests were windows-centric somehow completely slipped his mind, so none of the scripts would work on that
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<``PeeR> seriously? he screwed it up ?
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<last_staff1> I wouldn't say he screwed it up, since it worked well in a linux-environment. He just hadn't taken into account adapting the programs to use either bash or powershell depending on the platform it was running on
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<``PeeR> kk
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<last_staff1> at least he did take into account that some people preferred GUIs over CLI, so one could do the same things in headless mode, something that the original suite didn't support
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<``PeeR> ok that's a good thing
<last_staff1> lol, his face
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<last_staff1> "It's not working"
<last_staff1> "Huh? How so?"
<last_staff1> "That can't be. All the tests I did for every module worked perfectly"
<last_staff1> "Well, maybe there's something wrong with the powershell scripts then"
<last_staff1> "more than half the tests are broken"
<last_staff1> "Powershell!?" <-- the face
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<``PeeR> lol
<``PeeR> DOH
<mozzarella> use a real shell
<mozzarella> such as zsh
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<last_staff1> zsh doesn't come preinstalled everywhere
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<mozzarella> nothing does
<mozzarella> not even bash
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<last_staff1> bash is installed as part of base installations
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<last_staff1> although lately I've seen that bash has been replaced with dash, which might require some rewrites of some scripts
<last_staff1> *as part of default base installations
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<last_staff1> anyway
<last_staff1> where was I?
<last_staff1> oh yeah, ruby vs other
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<last_staff1> main thing is, I'm going to parse options into vagrant without using system variables, so I'm trying to figure out the better way to do this
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<last_staff1> I first started thinking of this when I found out about JRuby, which would enable me to use java-based properties files
<last_staff1> though the way java's behaved lately, one would potentially need to do quite some manual stuff beforehand just to get it working
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<Tony273> I am having an issue with ruby, when I try running a pplication that depends on ruby I keep getting this after executing the installer
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<Tony273> "/usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:31:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- kafo (LoadError)"
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<last_staff1> is kafo installed?
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<Tony273> last_staff1, I see the following under rpm "rubygem-kafo-0.6.5-1.el6.noarch" and "rubygem-kafo_parsers-0.0.3-1.el6.noarch"
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<last_staff1> what ruby version are you using?
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<last_staff1> better yet, does this fit your problem?
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<Hanmac> Tony273: centos?
<last_staff1> rh-based at least, it seems
<last_staff1> unless he's using alien...
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<last_staff1> the GEM_PATH variable might've become invalidated though
<Tony273> This is a RHEL 6.5 box
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<Hanmac> Tony273: what does "ruby -v" return? and i think its an outdated version
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* last_staff1 guesses 1.9.1
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<Hanmac> last_staff1: that he has problems with require seems to be that he has 1.8.7
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<Hanmac> last_staff1: ah yeah i didnt read it ... look at the path "/1.8/"
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<Hanmac> Tony273: you need to require "rubygems" before you can use the other stuff ... but your current ruby is veryVERY outdated
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<last_staff1> *facepalm the path
<Tony273> I am giving up for tonight, I try working this issue for the last 5 hours
<Tony273> Will try agian tomorrow
<Tony273> Thanky ou all
<last_staff1> yw
<last_staff1> ...i said without helping at all
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<Hanmac> ... for some reason i feel ignored when i want to help others ...
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<last_staff1> heh, I can see how
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<last_staff1> hanmac: do this
<last_staff1> asking_for_help: bah, I give up for now, kthxbai
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<last_staff1> makes me think of that meme of a stick figure holding a finger up as he's to point something out, then realizes he has nothing to say
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<flughafen> hey everybody
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<motdd> hi cannt install ruby?
<bascht> motdd: How may we help you? :-)
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<apeiros_> sounds more like a yum issue to me
<apeiros_> maybe the name is different for yum?
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<aasdasdasd> hello can someone help me with ruby?
<tobiasvl> aasdasdasd: there are lots of people who can help you with ruby
<aasdasdasd> ok
<tobiasvl> aasdasdasd: just ask your question and someone who is here and knows the answer will probably help you
<DefV> or taunt you
<aasdasdasd> how do you send a text of code?
<tobiasvl> aasdasdasd: see topic
<tobiasvl> Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
<bascht> motdd: Which version of ruby do you want to install? And what OS are your running? Looks like CentOS / RedHat
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<aasdasdasd> how do i get the i value inside of #{ }
<aasdasdasd> and what is the #{ } called?
<tobiasvl> aasdasdasd: it's called string interpolation
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<aasdasdasd> okay, im trying to mix python code with the string interpolation
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<tobiasvl> but it only works inside double quotes
<tobiasvl> you're using single quotes, so the interpolation won't work
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<tobiasvl> but
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<tobiasvl> python doesn't have string interpolation like that
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<apeiros> aasdasdasd: you're generating python code from ruby?
<apeiros> puppet, I guess?
<aasdasdasd> i eventually want to generate a file that i can run
<aasdasdasd> chef
<apeiros> #{node[:a][:b][:c][+"i"+]} # <-- that's the part you have a problem with?
<aasdasdasd> yeah
<apeiros> node[:a][:b][:c][i]
<aasdasdasd> i want the 'i' value from the for loop
<apeiros> and if you need i to be a string, then i.to_s
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<aasdasdasd> i want it to be a number
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<aasdasdasd> it doesnt work when i tried it like: #{node[:a][:b][:c][i]}
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<aasdasdasd> TypeError: no implicit conversion from nil to integer
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<apeiros> aasdasdasd: so either i or something else is nil, not a number
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<aasdasdasd> it is probably the i
<aasdasdasd> im not sure how i would call it so that it would take the i from the for loop
<apeiros> you could make sure by inspecting the value
<apeiros> aasdasdasd: there is no for loop
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<krz> https://gist.github.com/67291eaa760aca045cab I want to group by 1, 2, 3-5, and 6 or more. basically the result should be [1, 0, 2, 1]
<krz> whats the best way to go about this?
<apeiros> aasdasdasd: that "for" loop is a string. not code. only when python runs it it becomes code.
<krz> group by "result"
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<apeiros> aasdasdasd: and at that point, there is no `node` variable, nor its data
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<krz> updated gist
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<flughafen> question - https://bpaste.net/show/47cb2a4ce978 - it says ndefined local variable or method `skipped' for main:Object (NameError) on line 27, show_list(skipped)
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<flughafen> ah crap, is this athread thing?
<dANO> hi
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<waxjar> flughafen: no it's a scoping issue
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<waxjar> the method doesn't have access to skipped
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<flughafen> waxjar: that's what I guess, but skipped is defined in the beginning, out of the function, so it should have access to it
<Hanmac> flughafen: use @skipped and then it works
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<flughafen> Hanmac: is that a global var?
<Hanmac> no instance var, but you use the main instance
<flughafen> ok
<flughafen> thanks hamakn
<flughafen> Hanmac:
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<Hanmac> flughafen: same probs for mainWindow
<flughafen> Hanmac: do i need to use it everywhere?
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<Hanmac> like the cucumber method cant find mainWindow
<flughafen> Hanmac: do i need to use @ once when i create the var? or everytime?
<Hanmac> evy single time
<flughafen> this is annoying
<krz> udated gist. anyway to write this better https://gist.github.com/67291eaa760aca045cab
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<flughafen> are threads in ruby like in python with the GIL?
<waxjar> in MRI they are, in JRuby and Rubinius there is no GIL
<flughafen> what does m stand for? main?
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<waxjar> nobody knows :p it stood for matz ruby implementation for a while i believe
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<mib32> friends can you please tell me how that type of assigment called 'fields_options, record_object = record_object, nil' ?
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<poppy_here> hi, does anyone know how to increament ascii in rails?
<poppy_here> i want to start with 'a' and end with 'd'
<waxjar> you mean like a sequence poppy_here?
<poppy_here> yeah
<apeiros> mib32: I guess that's a #rubyonrails question
<mib32> ok
<apeiros> poppy_here: 'a'.succ, 'a'..'d'
<waxjar> >> "a".."d".to_a
<eval-in___> waxjar => undefined method `to_a' for "d":String (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/197231)
<apeiros> >> 'a'.succ
<eval-in___> apeiros => "b" (https://eval.in/197232)
<apeiros> >> [*'a'..'d']
<eval-in___> apeiros => ["a", "b", "c", "d"] (https://eval.in/197233)
<waxjar> right, wrap it in parenthesis
<mib32> but i ask about ruby syntax
<mib32> isn't i?
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<apeiros> mib32: ah, I see
<apeiros> mib32: parallel assignment
<mib32> m
<apeiros> IMO you should only use it for variable swaps
<mib32> >> a, b = 1, 2
<eval-in___> mib32 => [1, 2] (https://eval.in/197234)
<apeiros> for other purposes, it's IMO less readable than just having multiple lines.
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<mib32> thanks
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<poppy_here> i have a <% (1..4).each do |i| %> already, can i do... <% [*'a'...'d'].each do |alpha| (1..4).each do|i| %>
<apeiros> ah, well, one exception I sometimes make is for @var assignment if it's 1:1 the argument list:
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<apeiros> def foo(a,b,c); @a, @b, @c = a, b, c; end
<apeiros> poppy_here: 'a'..'d' is a Range, Range already responds to .each. you don't need to convert it to an array.
<apeiros> ('a'..'d').each do |alpha| …
<poppy_here> what if i need a number incrementor and a letter incrementor ?
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<poppy_here> like 1..a, 2..b, 3..c
<apeiros> I don't follow
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<poppy_here> i want the output of both the letter and number
<poppy_here> (1,a), (2,b), (3,c)
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<apeiros> see Enumerable#zip
<waxjar> >> (1..3).to_a.zip "a".."c"
<eval-in___> waxjar => [[1, "a"], [2, "b"], [3, "c"]] (https://eval.in/197235)
<apeiros> waxjar: why to_a?
<apeiros> not necessary
<waxjar> oh, cool. didn't know that
<apeiros> in older rubies you'd have needed it on the argument. but certainly not on the receiver :)
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<terlar> you could also use ('a'..'d').each_with_index if you only want it during looping
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<terlar> then it would be 0 based though
<waxjar> that's smarter actually
<waxjar> oh yea
<apeiros> .each.with_index(1)
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<waxjar> cool, i didn't know that either. gotta remember that one
<poppy_here> ('a'..'d').each_with_index(1) is what im looking for
<poppy_here> thanks
<apeiros> o0
<terlar> ah, nice
<apeiros> that does not work
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<apeiros> each.with_index(1), not each_with_index(1)
<apeiros> note the . vs the _
<poppy_here> yeah i meant that :D
<poppy_here> hmm
<poppy_here> but it still worked with each_with_index
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<gregf_> >> 'a'.next
<eval-in___> gregf_ => "b" (https://eval.in/197236)
<gregf_> >> 'a'.succ
<eval-in___> gregf_ => "b" (https://eval.in/197237)
<gregf_> >> ("a".ord+1).chr
<eval-in___> gregf_ => "b" (https://eval.in/197238)
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<gregf_> too many ways :/
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<apeiros> poppy_here: only without an argument. and then index starts at zero, as previously mentioned.
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<gregf_> krz: how about using a hash?
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<gregf_> krz: something like this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5e22a6a0374a4c80048e(might not compile)
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<gr33n7007h> Is there any difference in Thread.new and Thread.start?
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<apeiros> gr33n7007h: did you bother to read the docs?
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<gr33n7007h> something about class is child classes not initialize is invoked
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<certainty> who has time to read the docs. just do it or die trying
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<apeiros> certainty: they who has the time to ask the question and read the answer which is just saying the same as the docs
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<certainty> apeiros: true thing. Maybe they're looking for someone to talk to
<apeiros> then they should ask accordingly
<workmad3> apeiros: they've obviously got more time than that... as they also had time to rephrase the docs into bad english while doing so...
<apeiros> but treating irc as your personal doc reader is rude.
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<certainty> and waiting for the answer
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<jhass> gr33n7007h: don't misinterpret them, you are allowed to ask questions if you have trouble to understand the docs. Just try to make them more specific and try to show that you invested effort in trying to understand them first
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<apeiros> hm, I should start adding canned answers to helpa
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<apeiros> things like "your question sounds like the docs would have an answer - if you can't find the docs …xxx…, if you have read the docs and have follow up questions, ask accordingly, yadda yadda
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<izzol> well, doc's are not perfect for learning. Sometimes I need to read something 5-10 time to figure out how it works ;-)
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<certainty> blasphemie
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<jhass> is there any explanation why helpa won't listen to everybody?
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<workmad3> apeiros: !rtfm maybe? :)
<helpa> apeiros: I believe you will find the answer to that question in the documentation, good Sir or Madam.
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<certainty> ok done
<lukevinc> there is a built in command for ruby, something like rubydocs? like perldoc?
<certainty> you can use ri if that is what you seek
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<izzol> lukevinc: you can use pry.
<izzol> it has doc itself.
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<arup_r> Need one git help
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<jhass> arup_r: git fetch origin; git branch -r; to get a list of remote branches
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<arup_r> jhass: ok
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<shevy> let's increase the level here
<shevy> tits!
<shevy> oh apeiros you are back
<shevy> yesterday was the first time I wanted to use more than one block
<apeiros> :)
<shevy> it was strange because it only seemed to make sense in the context of what I was writing; in this context, a "web object" that should describe all aspects of a page/app, and I already was using some kind of weak DSL
<shevy> { use_jquery }
<apeiros> izzol: it's not about learning
<shevy> { use_jquery } { sqlite }
<apeiros> izzol: his question was one which is exactly reason for the existence of docs.
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<apeiros> shevy: :use_jquery, :use_sqlite? (like flags)
<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> but I also wondered about DSL-style without : or , ... or in other words, to use invalid ruby code for DSLs
<shevy> like:
<shevy> jquery +
<shevy> :D
<shevy> or disable it again via: jquery -
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<jhass> you could do, enable jquery and enable jquery + sqlite
<apeiros> foo do; use_jquery; use_sqlite; end # <-- like that?
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> now I feel like on halsbe track
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<apeiros> but halsbe uses utf-8 ;-)
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<shevy> hmm
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<izzol> apeiros: ahh, correct :-)
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<arup_r> Can any one tell me why I am getting no output.. It should work - rg/vclh7lma9/Screen_Shot_2014_09_23_at_5_54_54_PM.png
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<arup_r> sorry
<arup_r> got the error.. :-(
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<Hanmac> apeiros & shevy newest IOS8 feature: https://i.imgur.com/TX9dbK6.jpg ;P
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<jhass> Hanmac: did you see the iPhone 7 leak already?
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<Hanmac> jhass: hm currently dont know what i mean ... but i found the story that 4chan did troll apple users again ... this time with thinking they could use MicroWaves to charge the IPhone ;P
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<Hanmac> XDDDD
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<Hanmac> jhass: i heard the story that someone did buy the new Iphone ... walks out of the store, does show it to others ... and then it does fall him out of his hand and break ... hm i think that one in your image might be a bit more robust ,P
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<jhass> ;)
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<jhass> I guess you saw the 2012 comparison?
<Hanmac> yeah
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<Hanmac> jhass: read the story about the 4chan trolling http://cheezburger.com/316165
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<Hanmac> it is funny, because someone REALLY did think with a software patch the iphone can be charged in the microwave ...
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<C0deMaver1ck> in all reality, I'll be really happy when we can update hardware capabilities just through software
<Hanmac> C0deMaver1ck: yeah, hm that would be matrix like ne? ;P
<jhass> fpga's everywher! nsa is on it, i'm confident
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<Hanmac> C0deMaver1ck: hm depending on the hardware ... you might be able to download the specifications/blueprints of the hardware upgrade, and then a 3dprinter does print the new parts ... or the nano-parts does rearrange itself to fit the new specifications ...
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<C0deMaver1ck> hardware specs are generally kept under NDA
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<C0deMaver1ck> for instance, a few years ago, when the Peek devices are given to devs because the company failed, they also distributed hardware specs that they weren't legally allowed too
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<C0deMaver1ck> s/are/were
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<Hanmac> C0deMaver1ck: hm yeah but you mind it like that with upgrading hardware caps?
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<last_staff1> that microwave story made me think about that story about putting 3-4 phones together with popcorn in the middle
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<last_staff1> you know, the one where if all the phones are ringing, the popcorn will pop
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<lukevinc> hello ruby friends(yes,you worth like a ruby in my heart), how can i get the timezone? the number (-3) (-2), etc?
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<lukevinc> htmmm, i got a idea, if i subtract utc minus timezone i will find the difference of timezones, hmm, there's no built in method for it?
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<momomomomo> a little bit of google makes the medicine go down lukevinc http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.3/Time.html#method-i-zone
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<lukevinc> i searched that, i already has the name of timezone, i want the number of timezone
<momomomomo> see the second link
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<lukevinc> offset is rough to work, i will try to subtract gtm.hour by timezone.hour, thanks
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<lukevinc> thanks momomomomo
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<motdd> hi i cannt install ruby :http://paste.debian.net/122634/
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<apeiros> motdd: you'll probably have less trouble using rvm: http://rvm.io
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<motdd> rvm: http://rvm.io
<motdd> bash: rvm:: command not found
<Wolland> motdd: did you install dev libs?
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<motdd> developel tools ?
<Wolland> yum -y groupinstall "Development Tools"
<Wolland> yum -y install libxslt-devel libyaml-devel libxml2-devel gdbm-devel libffi-devel zlib-devel openssl-devel libyaml-devel readline-devel curl-devel openssl-devel pcre-devel git memcached-devel valgrind-devel mysql-devel ImageMagick-devel ImageMagick
<Wolland>
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<Wolland> ignore image magic stuff
<Wolland> but openssl-devel
<motdd> yum -y groupinstall "Development Tools" yes another no!
<Wolland> curl-devel etc.
<motdd> x86_64 [######################### ] 15/36
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<motdd> Complete!
<Wolland> try ruby make now
<motdd> No package ruby available
<motdd> ok
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<Wolland> or configure first, then make
<Wolland> then make install
<Wolland> etc.
<motdd> first i use make give me error
<motdd> now i use configure
<apeiros> motdd: uh, dude, turn on your brain
<apeiros> http://rvm.io is a url. open it in your browser
<Wolland> ./configure
<motdd> i use
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<motdd> configure: creating ./config.status
<motdd> config.status: creating Makefile
<motdd> config.status: creating ruby-1.9.pc
<motdd> now make!
<Wolland> make
<apeiros> also why do you try to install 1.9? that's pretty old
<motdd> ok
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<motdd> i find this :)
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<Wolland> why are you installing 1.9 and not 2.x?
<motdd> i dont know have 2.x
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<motdd> np
<motdd> for small packet
<motdd> "flashpolicy"
<motdd> for irc client
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<Wolland> did make work this time?
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<motdd> im back
<motdd> i look not
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<motdd> we can try 2.0 ?
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<dorei> is there some shortcut for defining public aliases for private methods?
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<motdd> im download this
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<centrx> dorei, What would be the point of that?
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<clyfe> what's de fiderence between, say, byebug gem and http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.1.2/libdoc/debug/rdoc/DEBUGGER__.html
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<clyfe> also, when I require 'debug' (ruby 2.1.2) the program just exits
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<motdd> i dont know this link
<motdd> how to use ?
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<Wolland> click it
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<Wolland> or don't click it
<centrx> the choice is yours
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<Wolland> :)
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<dorei> centrx: lets say I have a @filename ivar, it'd be nice if I could have a private attr_writer filename and a public alias of rename for filename=
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<Wolland> hwat
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<centrx> dorei, Just make one public method/accessor
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<Wolland> attr_accessor :filename
<dorei> i want filename= to be private, but its 'rename' alias to be public
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<centrx> dorei, probably no shortcut for that
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<centrx> a rare thing
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<Wolland> so rename would do same thing as filename= ?
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<Wolland> why do you need to hide filename= then? just add rename method/alias and leave setter there
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<starlord> Is there any Ruby lib that wraps CFMessagePort?
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<rubie> hello everyone
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<ericwood> starlord: is that a cocoa lib?
<starlord> Kind of.
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<starlord> Or rather, I can wrap it myself. I'll just need to somehow make my wrapper lib instantly available to the user of my app.
<ericwood> rubycocoa might be what you want: http://rubycocoa.sourceforge.net/doc/
<starlord> In Python this is way easier: "from Foundation import *" and done.
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<starlord> Yeah, RubyCocoa is indeed what I want.
<ericwood> I'm not familiar with any of this so you're on your own from here
<starlord> I just want it to be already installed on the user's system.
<ericwood> iirc it is?
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<ericwood> or some shit
<ericwood> idk
<ericwood> :D
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<starlord> 'LoadError: cannot load such file -- rubycocoa'
<starlord> :'(
<ericwood> gem install rubycocoa
<ericwood> but yeah
<ericwood> so that might be a dealbreaker :(
<tomatao> hey, anyone using rbenv on ubuntu? I'm seeing that a local version is installed from 'rbenv version' but when I run ruby it's telling me to apt-get it
<Hanmac> starlord: yeah, how should it be installed already if no one did it?
<starlord> Apple probably does.
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<starlord> They install PyObjC for you.
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<Hanmac> starlord: CFMessagePort might be installed on Apple, but rubycocoa is not
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<starlord> Oh nice, /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/osx/cocoa.rb
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<starlord> So Apple does ship it. Just, only with 1.8
<starlord> laaaaame
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<tomatao> nm, may have found the problem, typo with init!
<starlord> So, I don't mind wrapping this with a little Ruby extension. I just need to make sure my users can require the wrapper lib I ship.
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<starlord> tomatao: I often type `def init` by accident :(
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<starlord> Blast.
<starlord> Welp, that makes this slightly harder than I wanted.
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<starlord> Now, to look up writing a Ruby extension.
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<tomatao> starlord, i had eval "$(rvenv init -)"
<starlord> Use chruby instead.
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<tomatao> but fixed it and it still doesn't work actually :/
<starlord> I've been using it for a month or something, after a few years of rbenv, after a few years of rvm.
<starlord> And so far, chruby is by far the best of the three.
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<tomatao> ahh just spent a long time setting up my dotfiles repo to work with rbenv; i'm determined!
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<tomatao> rbenv seems to work, but ruby doesn't
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<tomatao> oooh it did fix it! just wasn't running my bash_profile! wee :D
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<tomatao> wewp! :D Thanks everyone <3
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<starlord> tomatao: whatever your choice
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<starlord> Oh wait, I have a smarter plan for htis.
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<rubie> hello all - I have a really simple problem that i'd appreciate some help with :) https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/c1b29546069d57469cb7
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<centrx> rubie, array.select { |x| x == 3 }
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<rubie> use array.select rather than array.each?
<centrx> rubie, yes
<rubie> awesome! thanks
<rubie> does that create a new array or change the original one
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<centrx> rubie, select creates a new array, select! modifies the original array in place
<rubie> ok perfect
<rubie> many thanks
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<xxneolithicxx> hi all, im having some weird issues with Net::FTP, wondering if anyone has run into something similar. Im getting connection timeout on creation of a new instance, however I tested in Filezilla and i can connect ok so I know its not a DNS/connectivity issue. Theres not much more else it could be so I dont understand why the damn thing is timing out on me.
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<xxneolithicxx> pebcac, forgot i needed to change port and new/open dont take port, sorted
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<caiden> hey guys, for some reason rbenv won't change ruby versions for me
<caiden> I tried: rbenv global global 1.9.3-448
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<caiden> it doesn't error, but then ruby -v returns the original version (2.0 something)
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<Rhainur> hey guys, trying to build ruby on a digitalocean droplet, this happens: https://gist.github.com/Rhainur/b055f67a99a00ed50859
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<centrx> Rhainur, gcc: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1)
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<centrx> Rhainur, Seems to be a compiler error
<centrx> Rhainur, but it could also be the compiler used up all the machine's RAM and was killed by the kernel safety doohickey
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<centrx> Rhainur, that's usually what an unexplained "Killed" means
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<Wolland> ram thing happened before on a 1gb droplet at DO
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<apeiros> Rhainur: may want to activate swapping
<apeiros> iirc DO instances default to no swap
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<master_> how do i declare a variable?
<centrx> >> my_favorite_variable = 3.14
<eval-in___> centrx => 3.14 (https://eval.in/197616)
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<apeiros> master_: by assigning a value to it
<shiitter> master_: You can do the following:
<apeiros> there's no separate declaration in ruby
<shiitter> master_: Master Bator = 12;
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<apeiros> shiitter: srsly?
<shiitter> apeiros: Yes
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<master_> oh i see
<centrx> it's a trick, they're on the same subnet
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<shiitter> apeiros: Ruby engineer with 20+ years of experience here
<apeiros> shiitter: and obviously no taste or manners
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<wallerdev> lewd
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* centrx didn't get it
<shiitter> Wat?
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<apeiros> shiitter: that childish pun of you
<shiitter> apeiros: I don't get it
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<centrx> !next
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<apeiros> centrx: I see
<centrx> sneaky trolls
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<apeiros> OrgName: Carnegie Mellon University
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<apeiros> who'd have thought that students have too much time…
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<benzrf> did ruby come out in '94
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<centrx> '93 or '95, not '94
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<last_staff> february 24th, 1993
<last_staff> wait no
<last_staff> that's when it was conceived
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<last_staff> first public release was on December 21st, 1995
<wallerdev> ruby came out in 2005 i thought
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<wallerdev> as part of ruby on rails or something
<eam> haha
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<last_staff> on the bright side, you were only off by a single decade
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<last_staff> and ruby on rails was released as open source on July 24th, followed by commit-rights on February 2005
* last_staff purposefully doesn't mention apple's annunciation about them shipping ruby on rails with leopard-mac in 2006, and doing so in 2007
<centrx> right, same day as Ruby
<eam> interesting idea to separate Ruby out from rails into a separate language
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<last_staff> does anyone know if vagrant ships with the ini-something module that allows me to parse configs written in the form key=value?
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<rubie> hey all quick question about the capitalize method can someone take a look? https://gist.github.com/skewedlife/b9cf498ad905c84fdac2
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<rubie> any ideas?
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<apeiros> got example input/output along with expectation?
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<benzrf> >open source
<benzrf> >not free software
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<last_staff> what did i miss?
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<Hanmac> apeiros & shevy look at this clook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-MxGvtK2Bk
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<apeiros> rubie: well?
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<rubie> apeiros: what do you mean?
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<apeiros> 19:58 apeiros: got example input/output along with expectation?
<apeiros> rubie: ^
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<rubie> apeiros: trying to help a buddy, hes going to hop in here
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<Akuta> apeiros i'm the buddy, input/output/expectation: Gave title="aBC deF Ghi". Expected "Abc Def Ghi" but got "Abc def ghi".
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<apeiros> Akuta: ok, lets see
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<Akuta> it works fine with capitalize after title (title.capitalize), but not with capitalize after the final join
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<apeiros> Akuta: ah
<apeiros> capitalize basically downcases the whole string
<apeiros> and upcases the first character
<apeiros> i.e. it doesn't only touch the first char
<apeiros> >> "FOO".capitalize
<eval-in___> apeiros => "Foo" (https://eval.in/197643)
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<Akuta> oh jeeze, i thought it was so obvious i didn't even check documentation
<Akuta> ...thanks.. lol
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<apeiros> yw
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<shock_one> Hi. Having a class object and an instance of another claas, how would I cast an object to this class? For example, I want to cast nil to String, but there can be a different class instead of String.
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<shock_one> So, I need some metaprogramming solution instead of just .to_s.
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<eam> shock_one: you want to translate it to an arbitrary other object?
<shock_one> Yes.
<eam> cast is the wrong word, I think
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<apeiros> shock_one: there's no casting. you'll need a method which returns a new object of the desired class.
<apeiros> (or an existing)
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<eam> you could write a to_obj(Class)
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<apeiros> e.g. nil.to_s and nil.inspect return a string representation of nil (both for different purposes)
<Firespirit> Does anyone here have experience with nokogiri?
<apeiros> Firespirit: I think anyone is not here
<apeiros> Firespirit: you might try to ask your question anyway
<shock_one> But both ActiveRecord and Mongoid convert attributes to appropriate type. Maybe I could reuse their technique.
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<apeiros> shock_one: um, sure. it's called "basic programming". or how my boss calls it: "if then else"
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<Firespirit> you prefer paste bin or gist apeiros so i can copy my code for my question lol?
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<apeiros> Firespirit: gist
<eam> >> class Object def to_obj(klass); map = {String => :to_s, Fixnum => :to_i}; self.send map[klass]; end; end; false.to_obj String
<eval-in___> eam => /tmp/execpad-5dadb88b5591/source-5dadb88b5591:2: syntax error, unexpected keyword_def, expecting '<' or ';' or '\n' ... (https://eval.in/197664)
<eam> >> class Object; def to_obj(klass); map = {String => :to_s, Fixnum => :to_i}; self.send map[klass]; end; end; false.to_obj String
<eval-in___> eam => "false" (https://eval.in/197665)
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<eam> that'd be kinda nice actually
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<Firespirit> apeiros or anyone: that my code:https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dbb6d2c539131c77bacd and that the xml i one to modify:https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7d21f0a181c7f4779c76 but i get the error: Document already has a root node.. i don't understand why
<shock_one> eam, that you for your help.
<eam> shock_one: you'd have to write your own conversion routines for many mappings, of course
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<unrar> hey
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<eam> >> class Object; def to_1; 1; end; end; 5.to_1
<eval-in___> eam => 1 (https://eval.in/197668)
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<Firespirit> apeiros any idea?
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<apeiros> Firespirit: I didn't get around to look. but the error indicates that you try to add a node at the root level. xml allows only one root iirc.
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<Firespirit> i know apeiros the error message is obvious but i don't understand what i do wrong
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<shock_one> apeiros: eam: So, here's how it's done in Mongoid: String.mongoize 2 # "2". The API is public, so I can use it. Thank you again.
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<xxneolithicxx> Firespirit: are you trying to modify the XML document? If so why bother with the builder?
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<Firespirit> anyonecan help?: that my code:https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dbb6d2c539131c77bacd and that the xml i one to modify:https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7d21f0a181c7f4779c76 but i get the error: Document already has a root node.. i don't understand why
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<agent_white> Afternoon folks.
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<themadcanudist> hey guys, just wondering if there is some resource/utility that can help me consume an erb script and make changes to the erb file on everything identified as a method variable to change it to an instance variable?
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<themadcanudist> I basically need a utility that understands .erb syntax and can "highlight" the variables or other structures I want to modify
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<themadcanudist> some sort of lexer something
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<jkline> I'm converting a Hash to yaml using {}.to_yaml. The document seperator "---" is always included. Is there a way to avoid the "---" seperator? (I want to embed some yaml inside a larger existing document, not create a new yaml document.)
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<Hulgurrk> Hello
<Tricon> Hi.
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<Hulgurrk> Finally an answer
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<Hulgurrk> Is Ruby a channel for chat ?
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<Tricon> Q&A/chat.
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<jkline> The options Hash does work for me as documented on http://yaml4r.sourceforge.net/doc/page/examples.htm, I thinki I must be using a different library [23] pry(main)> require "yaml"
<jkline> => false
<jkline> [24] pry(main)> 10.to_yaml(:Separator => '')
<jkline> => "--- 10\n...\n"
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<Hulgurrk> Ok, well, Does anyone know about a secret order like a vampire thing or a knight brotherwood that still exist ?
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<jkline> My YAML::ENGINE.yamler is "psych"
<Hulgurrk> ??
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<jkline> If we knew about it, it wouldn't be secret?
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<Hulgurrk> Idk maybe you heard about something
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<Hulgurrk> or found something in the deep web
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<Hulgurrk> who knows
<themadcanudist> I found something about vampires not being real
<jkline> I've heard that colleges have secret societies.
<jkline> I've heard there are secret government meetings.
<agent_white> Of course they do! Like "the skulls"
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<jkline> And Apple keeps a lot of secrets about their products.
<apeiros> Hulgurrk: this channel is secret. how did you find it?
<jkline> (Like most companies i'm sure.)
<agent_white> I puts secrets in my coffee in the morning... that and Ruby.
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<wallerdev> i may or may not be part of a secret society
<Hulgurrk> themadcanudist: So you don't think they're real
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<Hulgurrk> wallerdev: explain yourself
<wallerdev> cant
<wallerdev> :p
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<Hulgurrk> apeiros: i always find secret things
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<themadcanudist> Hulgurrk: rdoc vampires
<themadcanudist> File not found: vampires
<Hulgurrk> wallerdev: come on dude !
* themadcanudist shrugs
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<wallerdev> come to SF and ill show you
<jkline> Ruby is bad at secrets, the directives "protected" and "private" are mearly suggestions, you can still use :send, or other meta programming to access internals.
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<jkline> Object#instance_variable_get, for another example.
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<nobitanobi> Question... When somebody says a method is too 'verbose' what do they refer to?
<jkline> Too much output?
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<jkline> Too many comments?
<jkline> Unclear code?
<Hulgurrk> If i tell you that my ancestors were vampires hunters, Italian Knights
<jkline> Too much code? Should be broken in to smaller methods?
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<jkline> I'm not sure @nobitanobi
<themadcanudist> Hulgurrk: Looks like they did a good job. None left.
<themadcanudist> you should be proud
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<Hulgurrk> Hahahhaha
<Hulgurrk> But no kid
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<Hulgurrk> i found books relating their acts
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<nobitanobi> jkline: I am reading 'Confident Ruby' and the author says 'maybe this method is too verbose': https://gist.github.com/novito/3c3bddba92c77015956e
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<Hulgurrk> they were 4, 4 Knights of the Dante
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<jkline> @nobitanobi Maybe he means the method name and the variable names are too long.
<jkline> However, I don't see a problem.
<nobitanobi> jkline: that's what I though
<nobitanobi> *thought
<nobitanobi> appreciate :)
<jkline> Long variable names can help make code more obvious and self documenting
<nobitanobi> btw, really nice book!
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<rubie> hi all, can someone walk me through this bit of code, im having trouble recognizing the flow https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/2fd9b5b67df00b5e25c0
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<centrx> rubie, It uses recursion, in a manner similar to mathematical induction (base case)
<rubie> centrx: right, where does the rock_judger(rocks_arr) get passed in from
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<centrx> rubie, It is first called in the string at the bottom
<centrx> rubie, Then it calls itself, a new iteration of itself with different parameters, and again and again
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<rubie> whoa this is all new to me
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<atmosx> hello fellow rubyists
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<rubie> i thought if something was going to get passed in
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<rubie> there would need to be something like rock_judger(43)
<rubie> or whatever
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<rubie> then rocks_arr would just take that value
<xxneolithicxx> it does, even when it calls itself
<rubie> OR it would need to be rock_judger(rocks)
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<xxneolithicxx> just think of each call as a duplication of the function with a different value passed in
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<rubie> im so lost :/
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<rubie> the first thing that happens in this script is that rocks is defined
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<rubie> correct?
<centrx> rubie, The first thing that happens is the method is defined, but not called
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<rubie> centrx: okay perfect, the next thing is that an array with 30 numbers is made with random numbers with a maximum of 200
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<centrx> rubie, Yes, though it looks like it is a random number between 1 and 201, because of the + 1
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<rubie> ok
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<rubie> centrx: now the next thing that happens is it puts that array on the screen
<centrx> right
<rubie> correct?
<rubie> ok
<rubie> i thought puts returns each number on a new line tho
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<rubie> ok nvm, thats what .join does
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<rubie> centrx: so the next thing that happens is the method rock_judger is called
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<rubie> and it looks like you can call a method from inside a string?
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<centrx> rubie, Yes, the #{x} signifies an expression (x) that will be "interpolated" into the string
<rubie> puts "Heaviest rock is: #{rock_judger(rocks)}" <-- the rock_judger method is being called and passing in rocks
<centrx> yes
<rubie> ok
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<rubie> centrx: so once we are in the method, its going to test if the array is less than or equal to two numbers
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<rubie> which its not, so it will go to the else statement
<centrx> *test if the length of the array is less than or equal to the number 2
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<centrx> yes
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<rubie> now it defines var a which says rock_judger will now become and pass in a new argument that is rocks_arr divided by two?
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<rubie> b basically means its the same thing
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<rubie> then it returns a if a is greater, and b if a is not geater
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<rubie> and it starts again most likely with a, but will be half the size
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<centrx> rubie, Yes, but the execution descends into every recursive call before it returns back up the chain to that last line in the first method
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<rubie> return a > b ? a : b <-- this doesn't happen every time?
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<jhass> [a, b].max
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<rubie> jhass: hey! hope all is well
<eam> rubie: it happens every time, but only /after/ the rest of the calls resolve
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<eam> rubie: that is, the first call to rock_judger() is the last one to have its return statement evaluated
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<MaciejCzyzewski> Hi!
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<shevy> <street-address> ::= <house-num> <street-name> <opt-apt-num> <EOL>
<centrx> sweet
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<shevy> I think in Io := meant set_slot whereas = meant update_slot
<centrx> BNF FTW SHVY
<shevy> but to have two : ...
<eam> in pascal := is assign and = is equality
<centrx> it might be conceptually similar to "scope resolution"
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> back in school we used TurboPascal but I don't remember any of it
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<shevy> I think we had to write programs that calculated things like rectangles, circles and so forth
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<centrx> triangles?
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<shevy> yeah
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<eam> turbopascal is great
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<shevy> so to check via regex for "input has only numbers" we can use
<shevy> /^\d+$/
<shevy> what if we also want to include optional '.' or ',' characters though? like
<shevy> 5.23
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<shevy> aha
<shevy> ^\d+?\.\d+$
<shevy> nope
<eam> Float()
<eam> >> Float("1.2e5")
<eval-in___> eam => 120000.0 (https://eval.in/197747)
<shevy> but how do you reach the point that you can call Float() on input
<eam> >> Float("-010")
<eval-in___> eam => -10.0 (https://eval.in/197748)
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<eam> oh, does Float() not do octal
<eam> >> Float("0x010")
<eval-in___> eam => 16.0 (https://eval.in/197749)
<eam> weird
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<eam> shevy: you mean for security reasons?
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<shevy> well this is an interactive submenu
<shevy> most of the time the user will input other commands
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<shevy> right now he can do: s5 and s5.5 to denote "start at 5.0 or 5.5 seconds"
<eam> shevy: call float, if it doesn't raise it's a number
<shevy> as the leading s annoys me, I want to eliminate it
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<shevy> ohhhh interesting
<shevy> optional seems to go via ?
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<shevy> but \d+? is not the same as \d?+
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<eam> \d+? makes \d+ non-greedy
<shevy> cool
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<shevy> "warning: regular expression has redundant nested repeat operator "
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<centrx> bad news bears
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<despai> someone working with grape?
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<bricker`work> I'm trying to decode a murmurhash3-encoded string, does anybody have experience with this? The one ruby lib that's out there doesn't match the results I'm getting from the Java lib
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<patrick99e99> hey guys.. quick question.. an anonymous class i.e. Class.new ... Is there a way to perform inheritence with this?
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<patrick99e99> oh nevrmind
<patrick99e99> Class.new(parent)
<patrick99e99> oops..
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<patrick99e99> thanks
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