apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.3; 2.0.0-p576; 1.9.3-p547: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<cjcj> hey all, is Struct thread safe?
<soahccc> cjcj: what do you mean exactly? Afaik only a few classes are thread safe such as Queue and they normally state this fact explicitely
<soahccc> I usually include the monitor mixin and then synchronize access
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<cjcj> soahccc: i'm using sidekiq to manage jobs, and i'm having problems with data being passed around
<cjcj> when i change struct syntax it seems to solve the problems
<soahccc> cjcj: are you sharing data between jobs?
<soahccc> I mean with variables of some sort
<cjcj> not that i can track down; data gets passed in to a job and then the job goes off
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<soahccc> sounds weird to me since each object is generally thread safe unless you try to use it in several threads in which you can get race conditions. But without some code it's hard to tell... Threads can be bitchy
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<womble> That's a strange definition of "thread safe"
<ohsix> thread safety is often knowing what happens, not that it is safe to do anything; just what will not work or isn't accounted for
<ohsix> because typically making something 'safe' by wrapping a mutex around it or whatever just makes it slow
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<ledestin> when I head that a component is thread-safe I expect that it can be called from multiple threads w/o problems
<ohsix> if there's some data structure that is only ever used on one thread, that's a good way to do it
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<seydar> i've got a startup script that runs some programs with sudo on my user's path that aren't on root's path. this means that root can't see them. besides just writing the paths explicitly into the startup script or changing root's path, how can i get root to see these paths? startup script: http://pastie.org/9674806
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<ledestin> seydar: why do you want another way?
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<seydar> ledestin: because it feels very hacky to have a full path to a subdir in my rvm installation
<seydar> i guess it's the right way for paths that don't change, but if i update my ruby install then i have to update the startup script
<ledestin> seydar: have a config file
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<jhass> ledestin: tried rvmsudo ?
<ledestin> but you’ll have to update it too
<ledestin> jhass: rbenv here
<jhass> bah, seydar ^, sorry
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<ledestin> seydar: make a gem
<ledestin> in rbenv you only need to include one dir in path
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<ruby-lang016> привет ребят, начал осваивать рельсы) и возникли проблемы с гемами, может кто помочь?
<imperator> english please
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<ruby-lang016> okay) i started my ruby way) i am nooby) and now i have problems with webrat gem
<ruby-lang016> could u help me?
<ruby-lang016> i cant install it :(
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<apeiros> ruby-lang016: for somebody to help you, you will have to give actual information about your problem
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<ruby-lang016> no problems!
<ruby-lang016> i just make a screenshot
<ruby-lang016> few mins
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<apeiros> ruby-lang016: copy & gist the terminal often sufficient (gist: gist.github.com)
<ruby-lang016> okay just minute
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<ruby-lang016> wow)
<ruby-lang016> i using windows
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<ruby-lang016> i typed in terminal: gem install webrat
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<ruby-lang016> and now i see: FETCHING NOKOGIRI
<ruby-lang016> few minutes before it was an error on this step
<ruby-lang016> but nokogiri gem has been downloaded!
<ruby-lang016> strange :/
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<apeiros> nokogiri is probably a dependency of webrat
<ruby-lang016> why here so many people and all of them keeping silence?
<imperator> most people lurk, and are quiet when others are talking :)
<ruby-lang016> :D
<ruby-lang016> when imperator speaks :DD
<ruby-lang016> wow!
<ruby-lang016> very strange))
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<ruby-lang016> Successfully installed 2 gems
<ruby-lang016> thanks you dear friends! you power made this job)
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* jhass wonders where all the ) come from
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<apeiros> he's probably coming from lisp and has a stash of left-over )'s
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<ledestin> :)
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<seydar> i have a general linux question. i can't seem to do a basic command like this: root@majoit:~# su - ari -c 'll'
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<ericwood> why not?
<seydar> great question: it works if i just do `su - ari` and type `ll` myself (so the interactive method works), but the noninteractive method (the line above or via heredoc) fails because it can't find the command `ll`
<ericwood> ll is an alias via bash
<ericwood> I'm not sure if the non-interactive mode bothers running bash; it depends on how that user is set up
<ericwood> ll == ls -al on most distros
<ericwood> so just use ls -al instead :)
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<ericwood> okay going to wipe my computer, see y'all on the other side!
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<womble> seydar: To add to what ericwood said, when you run a command directly via 'su', not all of the bash startup scripts get run (.bashrc gets run, .bash_profile doesn't). If the 'll' alias is defined in .bash_profile, then it won't be available.
<seydar> ericwood: well ll is just a test case. i'm trying to run a gem installed via rvm
<seydar> womble: thank you, i'll see if sourcing other files fixes the problem.
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<womble> seydar: Well, the other option is to move the ll alias to .bashrc
<womble> Hmm, actually, that might not work... an su command probably doesn't count as 'interactive'
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<seydar> womble: holy shit i think i got it. had to source an extra rvm file
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<seydar> THEY CALL ME SEYDAR, EXEMPLAR OF /ETC/
<seydar> SULTAN SUPERIOR OF STARTUP SCRIPTS
<seydar> LORD OF LINUX
<seydar> USURPER OF UBUNTU
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<seydar> i have just leveled up my sysadmin skill
<jhass> seydar: look into rvmsudo instead
<seydar> jhass: the issue is that it is all run as root, and rvmsudo doesn't exist for me as a system-wide install
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<nofxx> Looking for a simple/lightweight way to run jobs on ARM, daemon-kit looks overkill, maybe just plain cron... any tips?
<nofxx> a daemon process will need god too, need this to be non-stop no matter what
<womble> nofxx: daemontools
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<womble> Miniscule, robust, simple.
<nofxx> sounds all I need
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* jhass apparently has a different definition of "job"
<whitequark> don't use god, it's broken.
<imperator> systemd :)
<whitequark> also broken, though in different ways
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<nofxx> jhass, one 'monitor folder' job, and one externally triggered job... to be precise
<nofxx> whitequark, any alternativeto?
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<jhass> adding attributes to an ambiguous term doesn't make it less ambiguous
<imperator> oh, do tell us how systemd is broken
<jhass> init systems, the new editors
<jhass> systemd does a way better job for me than daemontools did, but that's just my experience
<womble> Not exactly simple *or* lightweight, though...
<jhass> not that my definition of "job" matches anything that daemontools does
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<jhass> womble: what are your CPU/memory limitations?
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<nofxx> jhass, what's the correct term than?
<jhass> nofxx: I'm trying to say that I personally have no idea what you mean by job, but since everybody else has that's probably my issue, not yours
<nofxx> jhass, guess it's mine.... beaglebone for instance, will run around 1Ghz, 2gb ram
<nofxx> but it's already running arch/systemd.. no big deal use it
<jhass> systemd takes about 5M res on my laptop and 3M res on my server currently
<womble> jhass: Well, unless it uses less memory than daemontools, it loses on the lightweight.<=> call. <grin>
<womble> jhass: If you're already running systemd, then use that.
<womble> Sorry, s/jhass/nofxx/ on that last
<jhass> nofxx: then man systemd.service for a "daemon" and man systemd.timer for "run at/every" stuff
<jhass> man systemd.unit for common stuff
<nofxx> jhass, womble thanks a lot
<jhass> it's a bit of a wall of text at first, but comparably easy to follow
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<nofxx> and pardon my naiveness so systemd also does process monitoring?
<jhass> yes
<jhass> systemctl status foo.service for example
<womble> And DHCP, and NTP, and...
<nofxx> and restart it if fail?
<jhass> nofxx: if you configure the unit to do that
* womble is waiting for systemd to have an MUA before switching everything over
<nofxx> got it, thanks again
<jhass> womble: systemd-networkd is in no way a required component
<womble> jhass: Never said it was.
<jhass> it's its own binary too
<jhass> so more another daemon that happens to live in the same source tree
<jhass> what a drama
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<whitequark> the notion that sysvinit urgently needs replacement exists only in minds of GNOME developers
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<whitequark> see also: PulseAudio, aka "ALSA was not invented by us"
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<imperator> little did i know there was contention regarding systemd
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<yorickpeterse> did somebody mention systemd?
<jhass> that mistake has been made, yes
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<imperator> lol
<jhass> it's on the editor level for me now really. Too many people that just can't shut up and just stick to what they prefer
<imperator> i don't have an opinion on it one way or another
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<whitequark> jhass: the issue is that there is hardly a choice. udev is a part of systemd now. dbus probably going to be one. etc.
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<jhass> whitequark: I'm sure you'll always find a distro that gives you that choice. If there isn't and it's really sooo bad, it's time you built your own
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<whitequark> jhass: how about not forcing it on me in the first place
<jhass> nobody is
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<whitequark> yeah, right.
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<matti> ;]
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<imperator> solaris has SMF, no?
<imperator> eh, maybe we should talk about something else ;)
<imperator> like, why a pure ruby implementation of zlib is 100x slower than th C version, and what can we do about it?
<jhass> don't use ruby
<whitequark> or use jruby
<jhass> finish crystal, create a nice library for writing ruby exts in it and port that implementation to it by adding the two type declarations it can't interfer
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<imperator> what's crystal?
<whitequark> a ruby-like language with global type inference.
<whitequark> hm, wrong URL
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<sunaku> ooo crystal-lang
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<womble> Would you say it is... "shiny"?
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