apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.4; 2.0.0-p594; 1.9.3-p550: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<darix> uhoh 2.1.4
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<whitequark> hahahahahaaaa
<whitequark> yay I'm not going to get any more bugs opened about that warning
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<_1_Alwin> ho
<_1_Alwin> ho
<_1_Alwin> hi
<havenwood> >> "hi".next.next.next.next.next.next
<eval-in__> havenwood => "ho" (https://eval.in/210743)
<havenwood> _1_Alwin: hi
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<dane> Hello
<dane> i am a new ruby beginner
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<dane> Please guys this does not work
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<dane> x.ord does not work please help
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<dane> Need help guys
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<ruby-lang030> rubyist
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<dane> No one is saying anything in here...
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<arrubin> dane: What does x.class return?
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<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: pong
<ddfreyne> Ah, it's resolved, k!
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<maloik> gl
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<sunslide> hi guys, is there a way for me to tell ruby to create subkeys in a hash if they don't exist? something like h['key']['subkey'] = value where 'subkey' doesn't exist but I would ruby to create it with the value given
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<ledestin> sunslide: what prevents you from doing it now?
<sunslide> a NoMethodError because 'subkey' doesn't exist
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<ledestin> sunslide: it’s more likely, subhash doesn’t exist
<ledestin> ‘subkey’ is not a method
<ledestin> sunslide: are you coming from JS?
<yorickpeterse> morning
<sunslide> not really :) I'll rephrase: I'd like ruby to create all subkeys "on the way" to the value that don't exist
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<sunslide> the NoMethodError is because 'key' doesn't exist as well, and I would like ruby to create it
<ledestin> ‘key’ is not a method
<sunslide> h["ruby"]["please"]["create"]["all"]["those"]["sub-hashes"] = 2
<sunslide> I'm working with unexpected JSON structures
<sunslide> ledestin: not coming from JS but not much experience with ruby
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<ledestin> sunslide: perhaps Hash.new {|hash, key| block }
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<apeiros> close
<ledestin> this syntax lets you define block to return default value
<apeiros> Hash.new { |hash, key| hash[key] = Hash.new(&hash.default_proc) }
<apeiros> sunslide: also consider one of the gems which provide that functionality. I think one is named "hashie". not sure, though.
<apeiros> >> deep = Hash.new { |hash, key| hash[key] = Hash.new(&hash.default_proc) }; deep[:a][:b][:c] = 1; deep
<eval-in__> apeiros => {:a=>{:b=>{:c=>1}}} (https://eval.in/210836)
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<apeiros> remember that *any* access will create the keys! not just writing.
<apeiros> >> deep = Hash.new { |hash, key| hash[key] = Hash.new(&hash.default_proc) }; deep[:a][:b][:c]; deep
<eval-in__> apeiros => {:a=>{:b=>{:c=>{}}}} (https://eval.in/210838)
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<ledestin> apeiros: now I’ve learned about default_proc. not a bad day.
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<apeiros> ledestin: TYL - in ruby before 2.1, you reset the default_proc by setting default. e.g. hash.default = nil # resets the default_proc.
<apeiros> but as of 2.1, we also have Hash#default_proc= :)
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<sunslide> working with 1.9.2 :)
<yorickpeterse> success! Argueing with a webkit dev about CSS selectors
<yorickpeterse> and how the spec is apparently "very very simple" and "doesn't need a formula"
<apeiros> formula?
<apeiros> sunslide: eeeew!
<apeiros> sunslide: at the very least upgrade to 1.9.3
<sunslide> haha getting some gem breaks so I'll wait with that til I have time to figure it out
<apeiros> sunslide: but if you can, move to a not-5y-old ruby
<apeiros> sunslide: there should not be any gem which works in 1.9.2 which doesn't work in 1.9.3…
<apeiros> ABI didn't change
<sunslide> how old is 1.9.3?
<apeiros> still too old. but it fixes some annoying bugs of 1.9.2. Also includes security relevant patches.
<ledestin> Support for Ruby version 1.9.3 will end on February 23, 2015
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: re last night's rant on nth-child
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: I missed that one
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: but what kind of formula?
<yorickpeterse> gimme a sec
<apeiros> what it definitively should have is a test-suite à la ACID
<yorickpeterse> so CSS allows you to do shit like :nth-child(2n+1)
<apeiros> because too many implementations have broken selectors
<yorickpeterse> which selects every 2 nodes, starting at node 1
<apeiros> yeah, I know nth-child :)
<yorickpeterse> That part is specified
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<yorickpeterse> but :nth-child(4n-7) is not
<apeiros> is that - even valid there?
<yorickpeterse> the spec has literally 1 example line using 10n-1, which happens to be the only trivial one
<yorickpeterse> yes
<apeiros> interesting
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<apeiros> css starts counting at 0?
<yorickpeterse> No, 1
<yorickpeterse> so 4n-7 is the same as 4n+1
<yorickpeterse> but nowhere does the spec describe how to transform that
<apeiros> is it?
<apeiros> wouldn't 4n+1 start at 5?
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<yorickpeterse> No
<apeiros> and 4n-7 start at 1?
<yorickpeterse> It starts at 1, then sequences every 4
<yorickpeterse> http://nth-test.com/
<yorickpeterse> run that with 4n+1
<yorickpeterse> and 4n-7
<apeiros> ah, right, n=0 --> 4n+1 == 1
<yorickpeterse> the +1 is the node offset, starting at 1
<yorickpeterse> so +1 is the first node
<yorickpeterse> so the node index in case of a 1-indexed array
<yorickpeterse> either way, the transformation formula for an-b => an+b is an+(a - (b % a))
<apeiros> safari seems to do the right thing
<apeiros> IMO just modulo, no?
<apeiros> Kn+N where N in Z (-∞..-1,0,1,…,+∞) --> Kn+(N%K)
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<apeiros> now the trick question is whether K is in Z or in N
<apeiros> IN
<apeiros> (natural numbers)
<yorickpeterse> The whole problem here is not whether the transformation is simple or not
<yorickpeterse> it's that the W3 did nothing to specify it
<yorickpeterse> When the whole reason for their existence is to write specs
<yorickpeterse> and they suck at it, consistently
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<yorickpeterse> Even RFC 2324 is better than this
<yorickpeterse> and that's a joke RFC
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<yorickpeterse> I still don't know how Nokogiri figured this out though, I suspect trial and error
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<yorickpeterse> The commit that introduced support for it never explains it ._.
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: you don't think it's just modulo?
<apeiros> >> -7 % 4 # for your example
<eval-in__> apeiros => 1 (https://eval.in/210840)
<yorickpeterse> No, you have to subtract it from a
<yorickpeterse> There are a few sequence cases where just the modulo shits itself
<apeiros> example?
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<apeiros> (note that some languages have -7 % 4 == -3, there you'd need to do an additional +4)
<yorickpeterse> 4n-9
<yorickpeterse> 9 % 4 results in 1
<yorickpeterse> but 4n+1 is not the same as 4n-9
<yorickpeterse> it instead should be 4n+3
<apeiros> -9 % 4
<apeiros> not 9 % 4
<apeiros> >> -9 % 4
<eval-in__> apeiros => 3 (https://eval.in/210841)
<yorickpeterse> Hmm
<yorickpeterse> That could probably work too, since it's effectively the same as a - (b % a)
<yorickpeterse> with b being positive
<yorickpeterse> Yeah that seems to hold itself together
<yorickpeterse> it would however require flipping the numbers in my case
<yorickpeterse> So I use this to generate XPath (much like Nokogiri), but the numbers are parsed as being positive
<yorickpeterse> due to in case of an-b the "-" not being parsed as part of "b"
<apeiros> the problem is, you can't blindly apply the modulo. 4n+9 != 4n+1. i.e. only take the modulo when summand is <0
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<apeiros> oh, that's bad
<yorickpeterse> Oh yes, it only works when you're using the form an-b
<yorickpeterse> for an+b it's easy though
<yorickpeterse> an is the interval, b the initial offset
<yorickpeterse> I'll be writing a better spec on this later this week :P
<yorickpeterse> So that others don't have to go through the same pain
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<yorickpeterse> and because not a single website that I found explains this
<yorickpeterse> ouf the 70-or-so websites that I've read
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<apeiros> "CSS Selectors for Dummies, by yorickpeterse"
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<yorickpeterse> I really need to get myself a Dr. degree
<yorickpeterse> "Dr. Y Peterse" sounds so awesome
<yorickpeterse> maybe I can just buy one off Ebay, that's how it usually goes anyway
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: I'd be dubious of anyone claiming to have a doctorate that called it a 'Doctor Degree'...
<yorickpeterse> well, being an actual doctor would be even better
<yorickpeterse> "Hello, I'm Dr. Yorick here to check that little Ruby problem you've had"
<yorickpeterse> "Ah I see, you have Hepitites ActiveRecord. That's pretty bad"
<yorickpeterse> or w/e it was spelled
* yorickpeterse would be the worst doctor
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<ruby-lang407> I'm getting this error when I run a rails website locally
<ruby-lang407> I'm on OS X 10.10 using rbenv
<ruby-lang407> ~/p/milaap-webapp ❯❯❯ which ruby /Users/jitendra/.rbenv/shims/ruby ~/p/milaap-webapp ❯❯❯ which rails /Users/jitendra/.rbenv/shims/rails
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<JodyTheBad> I'm really really green, but if I google "get_peer_cert" and "can't allocate memory" then I find this site referencing a memory leak in a get_peer_cert call. You aren't really running out of memory, though, are you?
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<jhass> ruby-lang407: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ help
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<darix> jhass: that is not really a rails related question
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<darix> ah wrong user
<darix> JodyTheBad: what are you trying to do exactly?
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<JodyTheBad> I was just responding to ruby-lang407
<JodyTheBad> <ruby-lang407> I'm getting this error when I run a rails website locally
<JodyTheBad> <ruby-lang407> http://pastebin.com/wg4VAJET
<JodyTheBad> <ruby-lang407> I'm getting this error when I run a rails website locally
<JodyTheBad> <ruby-lang407> http://pastebin.com/wg4VAJET
<JodyTheBad> Ahh, sorry
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<JodyTheBad> jhass recommended going to the rails channel, which was a good idea. =)
<JodyTheBad> OK, reading is hard apparently. Getting the kids ready for school here, apologies.
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<imperator> good morning
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<imperator> ruby-lang407, how was this ruby built?
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<imperator> mm, looks like eventmachine, and some posts indicate it's dead
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<imperator> can you switch to celluloid?
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<yorickpeterse> Today I awared myself the "Dumbest programmer of the year award"
<yorickpeterse> for disabling code by overwriting a method with a tracer
<yorickpeterse> and then not calling the original method
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<Senjai> yorickpeterse: Its k, I wrote a method that called itself without realizing it and spent forever trying to understand why I was getting stack level too deep all the time
<yorickpeterse> well, I had angry customers as a result
<yorickpeterse> place your bets :P
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<Senjai> :P
<Senjai> Yea
<Senjai> mine didnt make it to prod
<Senjai> :P
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<imperator> yorickpeterse, isn't that what refinements are for?
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<yorickpeterse> imperator: you watch your mouth
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<imperator> sorry man, just trying to be helpful :)
<yorickpeterse> refinements...pfft
<yorickpeterse> also no they wouldn't help, since they'd overwrite the method in similar fashion
<imperator> ah, ok
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<yorickpeterse> basically I did `def foo; ...; end` instead of `def foo; original_foo; end`
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* imperator looks up how super works with refinemenets
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<nofxx_> Need to trap SIGTERM, and some threads and loop will stop gracefully, always used $terminate, $finish globals... trying to get rubocop friendly, what's the better option in this case?
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<jhass> make subclasses of Thread that have such flags as attribute
<nofxx_> jhass, and how to change that flag on each instance?
<jhass> depends on how they're created
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<nofxx_> ok, but I'will need to change it one by one .. threads.each(&:terminate!) or something
<nofxx_> you mean?
<jhass> could be one example
<jhass> maybe some thread knows others and passes the message on
<jhass> maybe some don't even need to be informed but just don't get any new work
<jhass> and so on
<nofxx_> jhass, got it, thank you
<jhass> actually I think Thread even ships such a flag
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<nofxx_> or maybe simplify and just wait in the main loop... my program is just Module.run! will use just a class var on Module
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<crankharder> isn't there some way to pass the results of CGI.parse("foo=bar") back to URI::HTTP.build to include thos params in the query string?
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<Senjai> crankharder: #uri.query = URI.encode_www_form({key: value})
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<masterkorp> Hello
<masterkorp> how do I compare 2 chars ?
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<havenwood> >> [?a > ?b, ?b > ?a, ?a == ?b]
<eval-in__> havenwood => [false, true, false] (https://eval.in/211052)
<havenwood> masterkorp: any particular way you're wanting to compare them?
<apeiros> masterkorp: you stare at them long and hard
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<apeiros> maybe draw them on different papers. put the paper on top of each other. let light shine through.
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<t4nk907> I've heard that I can create web applications using Ruby on Rails, and that websites like GitHub run them. However, I don't quite get how the actual websites are made? Do I still have to use the good ol' HTML and CSS?
<apeiros> t4nk907: yes
<apeiros> all websites in the end are html. and usually css. and very often js.
<apeiros> there are just a bazillion different ways to create or generate those.
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<t4nk907> Do I still have to use JS and PHP, or does RoR replace them?
<apeiros> PHP is one of the ways to generate html (and sometimes js or css)
<apeiros> RoR is another way to generate html/css/js
<havenwood> t4nk907: By default you'd use CoffeeScript instead of JavaScript and Ruby instead of PHP. The Rails channel is #rubyonrails by the way, nick registration required: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER
<t4nk907> Really? Doesn't that mean I can make the whole website in RoR?
<t4nk907> havenwood: Thanks, I'll remember that to when I get started.
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<t4nk907> One final question: Is it fun?
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<apeiros> can you define "fun" in objective quantities?
<havenwood> t4nk907: Ruby can be great fun.
<apeiros> IMO the difference between php and rails is similar as between walking on glass shards vs. on tarmac (both barefoot)
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<masterkorp> apeiros: lol
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<CatButts> hai guise
<CatButts> I'm drunk and I'm gonna try to erect a server with ruby
<CatButts> the server happens to be (sic) winXP and potato hardware
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<CatButts> last I checked there are multiple Ruby interpreter in existence
<CatButts> (probably a year ago)
<CatButts> one more optimized than the other
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<CatButts> I am looking for speed on my potato hardware
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<CatButts> what pick?
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<bougyman> what workload?
<bougyman> jruby or mri latest, one or the other will probably do ya.
<CatButts> workload being client number, yes?
<CatButts> minimal
<bougyman> mri should do fine, then.
<CatButts> right
<bougyman> 2.1.4
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<CatButts> I wish I had some tomato juice to go with Ruby
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<CatButts> I've been told ruby somewhat resembles perl
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<CatButts> as in
<CatButts> "Ruby is perl on training wheels"
<CatButts> how true is this exactly?
<mark999> well... you can decypher code written in one of those two languages without getting a splitting headache
<CatButts> hehe
<mark999> I hardly use either language, but I think your best bet would be to grab some code written in each and try to understand it
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<CatButts> I typically write code out of need/craving
<CatButts> I'm sure I'll get some with ruby
<mark999> does anyone know of a program that parses the output of 'rake -P'? I'm hoping to use that data as input to an IDE and it would be nice to have something to start with
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<CatButts> also, I could be a lazy bastard and look for ready-packaged ruby stacks
<CatButts> a la WAMP
<CatButts> >jruby
<CatButts> yeah, I'm gonna avoid that because Java and lowend hardware
<CatButts> particularelly memory consumption
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<CatButts> yeah, I better rest and think clearly
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<HoroscopeFlower> Hey I know this is probably an easy one, but I can't find a way to google it. What does the ||= operator do? The context is Ruby on Rails, and something to do with arrays.
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<ericwood> HoroscopeFlower: it assigns if whatever is on the right is "falsy"
<ericwood> as in nil, false, etc.
<HoroscopeFlower> on the right, or on the left?
<ericwood> whoops I mean whatever is on the left
<HoroscopeFlower> cool, thanks
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<HoroscopeFlower> for future reference is there some sort of symbol search you know about?
<ericwood> I just googled "or equals ruby"
<HoroscopeFlower> yeah I really should have seen that
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<ericwood> no worries, operators are tough to google for
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<soahccc> HoroscopeFlower: http://www.symbolhound.com/
<HoroscopeFlower> soahccc: That's the one! I saw that yesterday while looking for something else and I couldn't find it again. Thanks!
<soahccc> Had to find it a few time as well before I remembered it
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