#ruby-lang on 2014-10-26 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-09-19 11:15 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.3; 2.0.0-p576; 1.9.3-p547: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com

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03:12 <newface> anyone able to help me with the spreadsheet ruby gem

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04:49 <sunaku> hello world

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17:01 <Lewix> would you say that ruby is call by value or call by references

17:02 <Lewix> apeiros: ?

17:04 <yxhuvud> Yes.

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17:04 <Lewix> yxhuvud: yes?

17:04 <yxhuvud> more especially, it passing arguments by *copying* the references, which is something that actually is relevant in some cases.

17:05 <Lewix> yxhuvud: https://twitter.com/contextualdev/status/526373471803043840 doesn't seem to agree

17:05 <yxhuvud> like when the actual object is stored in the reference itself. integers, boolean values etc behave like that

17:05 <Lewix> or rather think it's meaningless

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17:09 <whitequark> Lewix: call by value.

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17:25 <Lewix> whitequark: do you have twitter?

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18:02 <arrubin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_strategy#Call_by_sharing

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18:32 <sunaku> phew! i'm done with the last set of updates to my ruby gems

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20:49 <whitequark> Lewix: um, yes. why do you ask?

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21:01 <sviesusisalus> hi. i have a model user model 'has_one :guild, :through => :guild_member', but it says undefined method when "@user.guild.create(name: "test")". whats wrong ?

21:04 <apeiros> sviesusisalus: a) #rubyonrails, b) has_one does not work that way. it's @users.build_guid

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21:04 <apeiros> has_many gives you .guilds.create

21:04 <apeiros> *@users.build_guild

21:06 <sviesusisalus> apeiros, undefined method @user.build_guild

21:06 <sviesusisalus> thanks, going to rubyonrails

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21:08 <whitequark> arrubin: huh, TIL call by sharing. you are right, of course

21:13 <yxhuvud> possibly. It may be the case that immediate objects confuse things.

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21:24 <Lewix> whitequark: no reasons. ignore it..you're the guy in victoria right if I remember correctly?

21:24 <whitequark> Lewix: @whitequark. victoria? as in US state? I've never been to US in my life

21:24 <Lewix> yxhuvud: whitequark http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26576754/is-there-a-meaningful-difference-between-pass-by-reference-vs-pass-by-object-sha

21:24 <Lewix> whitequark: victoria, BC

21:24 <whitequark> oh, Canada, same thing

21:25 <Lewix> aha

21:25 * Lewix didn't know there was a US state named victoria

21:25 <whitequark> there is not

21:25 <whitequark> I just suck at geography

21:26 * Lewix wonder if a typical American know all the 51 states by heart

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21:40 <ericwood> I doubt most could name them off at once without a little work

21:40 <ericwood> but we know them all

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21:43 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: wow, you live in Canada now?

21:43 <yorickpeterse> :>

21:43 <whitequark> huh?

21:43 <yorickpeterse> re Lewix above

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21:43 <whitequark> I certainly did not intend to imply that I live in Canada, more the opposite

21:44 <yorickpeterse> I was hoping the ":>" would give it away, but I forgot you're oblivious to any form of sarcasm

21:44 <whitequark> sarcasm?

21:44 <Lewix> ericwood: I see. interesting

21:44 <ericwood> it's a lot of things to recall without warning

21:44 <ericwood> also most of them are boring and not worth memorizing

21:45 <Lewix> yorickpeterse: I'm probably mistaking whitequark for someone else

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21:45 <yorickpeterse> quite possibly, he lives in the USSR

21:45 <Lewix> ericwood: Are we talking about Florida, LA, and NY?

21:45 <ericwood> Oklahoma, Kansas

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21:45 <ericwood> the stuff in the middle, mostly

21:45 <Lewix> oah so the other states beside those three

21:45 <ericwood> Texas is pretty cool but only the middle part

21:46 <whitequark> I know really well how Texas looks like on the map

21:46 <whitequark> because of this: http://oedk.rice.edu/Resources/Pictures/ti_logo.jpg

21:46 <ericwood> yeah they're from here

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21:54 <ericwood> wow fuck java

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22:24 <yorickpeterse> ericwood: preaching to the choir there buddy

22:24 <yorickpeterse> but Java 8 is totes going to be the language of the future

22:24 <yorickpeterse> because it now has lambdas

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22:38 <whitequark> Java 8 possibly made more to advance FP than all FP languages combined

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22:38 <whitequark> I mean, think about it: according to TIOBE, 30% of our code is written in Java. and now you give lambdas to all those people

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22:40 <apeiros> aren't there still more people using C? and apple added closures to C afaik (which got adopted by gcc)

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22:53 <whitequark> wat? o_o

22:54 <whitequark> Apple added closures ("blocks") to Obj-C, which got picked up by gcc (in obj-c mode) and require some kind of weird runtime support that's not really compatible with anything

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22:54 <whitequark> I mean, you need to conform to the reference-counting model Obj-C uses, at the very least

22:54 <whitequark> I have never heard of anyone using blocks outside of Obj-C code

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23:02 <apeiros> hm, I thought they had added it to C. but if it's only obj-C, then it doesn't matter much :-/

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