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<jdecuirm>
Hi good night/morning!
<jdecuirm>
I know this question is done a lot of times, but, what is the main difference of private methods and protected methods? why and when i should use them?
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<womble>
jdecuirm: private methods can only be called by the same object, whereas protected methods can be called by any instance of the same class.
<jdecuirm>
that was a great answer!
<womble>
I think of it as "public => I trust everyone, private => I only trust myself, protected => I only trust my mates"
<jdecuirm>
awesome analogy!
<jdecuirm>
when should i use them? meaning for example in what cases specifically maybe my imagination does not go that far
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: private is always optional but can result in a nice clean list of public methods
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<jdecuirm>
i understand, can you tell me an example where you would use a private and protected method? of course if you have the time!!
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: if you're thinking of using protected, you might take pause and consider an alternative design
<jdecuirm>
In fact it's because i'm learning about this kind of methods, i'm learning with the well grounded Rubyist, and it's a little confusing how they work
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: i'd argue that there're only limited optimal use-cases for class methods and protected methods. some folk certainly disagree.
<jdecuirm>
it's the main reason why i have this doubts
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: in my opinion simply avoid them
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<jdecuirm>
oh, ok! i'll go with that!
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: private methods are nice just to obscure implementation details
<jdecuirm>
for example methods that alter an attribute of an object?
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<jdecuirm>
like discount for a price?
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: if you don't mean to expose it on the object, make it private
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: it's not a security measure, just a convenience to anyone using the object
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<jdecuirm>
Oh, soy they are not fully necessary? it's just like a matter of polishing code or something?
<havenwood>
yes, for the humans
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<havenwood>
jdecuirm: you don't have to ever use private
<jdecuirm>
Wow thanks! havenwood! and womble! all seems more clear!
<havenwood>
jdecuirm: it's arguably good practice in order to craft nice interfaces to your objects
<jdecuirm>
yeah! for example it is not necessary for an object to call a method to make some changes if i could do them internally, without anyone to know!
<jdecuirm>
they are just for them
<havenwood>
yup
<jdecuirm>
Thanks! now i can live another day!
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<womble>
jdecuirm: I use private on anything that I don't want "other objects" calling, whether that be a method that I might remove/change in the future, or just something that doesn't do sufficient input validation, type checking, or whatever, that my public interface *is* doing. I don't think I've *ever* used protected, and quite honestly I have trouble coming up with a sensible real-world use-case for it (but then again, I'm also
<womble>
completely confused about 95% of the keywords in C++).
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<jdecuirm>
thanks womble!!!
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
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<ljarvis>
moin
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<solid>
Hi there
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<solid>
I got a question concerning FileUtils.cp_r. I get an exception when copying one file out of a directory. Is it actually possible to get FileUtils.cp_r skip on errors and don't throw an exception, which kills the whole copying process?
<ljarvis>
solid: what's the exception?
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<solid>
ljarvis: the copy process is done for a davfs-mounted directory to a local folder. So the exception is 'No space left on device @ rb_sysopen' but I also get the exception when issuing a normal cp in a shell
<solid>
ljarvis: it's another problem which I need to fix :)
<yorickpeterse>
bah, fkn customers
<yorickpeterse>
You help them once, then they ask you everything from fixing their printer to random feature requests
<canton7>
start billing ;)
<yorickpeterse>
"Hi, where can I find <feature completely unrelated to the work done prior to the conversation>"
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<solid>
yorickpeterse: I at some point got a fixed rate whenever I had to answer at least 10 emails from a certain company per day, as it is work & time. 10 emails had been worth 30 minutes :)
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<yorickpeterse>
solid: well, most of their questions are "why is X here different from there"
<yorickpeterse>
though she does have some feature requests that will be answered with "We don't have this and wont have this any time soon"
<yorickpeterse>
(in a less asshole way of course)
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<solid>
yorickpeterse: and answering that email does take time. time is quite precious thing
<yorickpeterse>
that's why I'm letting my boss answer it :P
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<solid>
yorickpeterse: for my current project I'm working as a Scrum Master and focusing on time + not spending unpaid time did a quite nice improvement
<yorickpeterse>
scrum...ugh
<solid>
yorickpeterse: Jap Scrum for the moment. But we're investigating a switch to Kanban
<yorickpeterse>
that's even worse
<yorickpeterse>
The core concept of scrum is ok, but the whole kanban bullshit is a massive drain of time
<solid>
yorickpeterse: Mainly as we're going from development to maintenance
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<solid>
yorickpeterse: what's your approach for a development process then?
<yorickpeterse>
We have a spin off on the sprint system, minus the kanban nonsense
<yorickpeterse>
We had a board with duct tape to organize it in week days, and put paper cards on it per day
<yorickpeterse>
I think I spent more time re-organizing it every day than getting shit done
<yorickpeterse>
Because even when you specify things very accurately, things will take longer than expected
<yorickpeterse>
If you're limited in what your system allows you to do on a day you'll end up having to re-organize everything (= basically hack it )
<yorickpeterse>
What we do is much more simplistic: plan shit in for the next 3 weeks, get it done
<yorickpeterse>
and break everything down in to as small as possible tickets
<yorickpeterse>
(we happen to use Pivotal)
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<solid>
PT :)
<solid>
left that boat some time ago :)
<yorickpeterse>
The core problem with kanban/scrum/scum/etc is that it works if you're not a programmer, or if you maybe have 1 fixed product with a very clear vision
<yorickpeterse>
I'm not a huge fan of Pivotal tracker, but their new interface at least makes it semi decent
<ljarvis>
wot
<ljarvis>
it's worse
<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: but it has markdown support!!11
<yorickpeterse>
I really hate how the UI is super narrow/crowded though
<yorickpeterse>
as if it expects me to have only 1 ticket assigned at all times
<yorickpeterse>
Plus the multi column layout is a total disaster, though I rarely use it
<ljarvis>
i hate that it's slow as balls
<yorickpeterse>
oh yeah that too
<yorickpeterse>
"Oh you loaded the page...now enjoy loading the JS for 5 minutes"
<yorickpeterse>
web 2.0
<yorickpeterse>
Angular
<yorickpeterse>
etc
<ljarvis>
we've thought about moving, but most of them are slow sucky js based
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<yorickpeterse>
I really just want to use Github issues, but we have some non devs on board as well
<yorickpeterse>
though they do all have a Github account
<maloik>
I guess being in a small team is what might make the difference here, but we've had pretty good success using only trello and gitlab issues
<maloik>
mostly trello these days though
<maloik>
gitlab is basically a backlog we should probably just delete at some point
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<heftig>
heh, okay, this tree- and stack-based ANSI output colorizer became way too complex
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<yorickpeterse>
weeee, new keyboard
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<yorickpeterse>
that brings me my 4th mechanical keyboard
<yorickpeterse>
I'm becoming a keyboard hipster
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<aam__>
hey all. quick questrion. whats the difference bewteen if: Proc.new { current_user } and if: { current_user }
<workmad3>
aam__: in the first, you're passing a proc as the parameter, in the second, you're gonna get a syntax error because that isn't a valid hash
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<aam__>
i thought you could define a block with {} ?
<workmad3>
aam__: you can in some situations
<workmad3>
aam__: in that situation, where it's a hash key, the {} will be a hash, not a block
<aam__>
ahah
<canton7>
you also define hashes with {}. precidence will bite you when you start skipping () in method calls though
<aam__>
so that's why Proc.new is needed
<canton7>
...but what I said isn't relevant here
<workmad3>
aam__: you could also do 'if: proc{current_user}' or 'if: ->{current_user}'
<aam__>
ahah
<workmad3>
(or lambda{current_user}, which is equivalent to the second one there)
<workmad3>
-> is a shortcut for lambdas in 1.9+
<aam__>
right
<aam__>
proc is a shortcut for Proc.new ?
<workmad3>
yeah, but at a slightly different level to -> ;)
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<workmad3>
-> is new syntax, 'proc' is just a method on Kernel (and so looks like a keyword)
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<aam__>
right
<aam__>
got ya
<aam__>
i am very new to ruby, only been learning it a couple of days
<workmad3>
aam__: it's pretty fun at times realising how many 'keywords' in ruby are really just private methods on Kernel ;)
<aam__>
heh
<aam__>
i guess not having to use () means you can hide all that
<workmad3>
yup
<aam__>
unless you need some specific precedence logic everything could be a function
<ljarvis>
I think I'm one of the few people who wouldn't mind Ruby using parens to call methods
<workmad3>
ljarvis: it would change the nature of the language a fair bit, IMO
<ljarvis>
probably yeah
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<workmad3>
ljarvis: but I wouldn't care if they became mandatory on methods with arguments :)
<aam__>
it would help with comprehension sometimes. i look at lines of ruby and think "i have no idea what's going on" because i can't tell what's calling what. seems a ltitle magic to me right now
<workmad3>
calls without arguments, not having parens is nice, IMO
<ljarvis>
but I'd like it if you use call procs/Method instances with () and not []/call/.()
<ljarvis>
yeah it is nice
<ljarvis>
especially for chaining
<workmad3>
ljarvis: don't forget about === for calling a proc :P
<ljarvis>
adding to my point :D
<workmad3>
(or invoking a callable, I guess would be the generic way of stating it)
<ljarvis>
lets just do a scala and remove arg commas too
<workmad3>
yeah, drop those commas... and then lets make the parens mandatory, but around the entire thing
<ljarvis>
did we just build lisp?
<workmad3>
I think so ;)
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<aam__>
... i think this app is using erb to build haml
<aam__>
but i could be wrong
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<kevin_walzer>
Hidetoshi Nagai says that 8.6 is pretty much incompatible with Ruby. Works just fine with Perl and Python, so I’m not sure the problem is on the Tk side, but ok...
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<foucist>
anyone know of any resources for setting up a secondary production server that shadows the first one (receives same requests), so output can be compared with actual production responses?
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<yorickpeterse>
Times I've broken production today: I lost count
<centrx>
-1 ?
<yorickpeterse>
Customers who noticed (or at least emailed us): 1
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<yorickpeterse>
Used to be a Gem with the description "Fuck Tha Police"
<yorickpeterse>
hurr hurr version 0.69
<ljarvis>
I work a couple of different jobs that are ruby so I rarely have time to work on open source at the moment, i write a fair amount of go at the moment though
<yorickpeterse>
Pretty sure that recruiter is one of those fucking frat bros
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<yorickpeterse>
In case it's a woman, a frat...bra?
<allcentury>
iseewhatyadidthere
<workmad3>
I dig Web Developers!
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: that's sexist
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<yorickpeterse>
how's that sexist?
<allcentury>
cause you're not thinking of transgenders yorickpeterse !!!
<yorickpeterse>
That just means I'm an non inclusive asshole
<allcentury>
(anyone who watched south park this week would get that reference)
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<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: you read twitter dont you? everything is sexist
<yorickpeterse>
Also, I'd say it's highly unlikely for a transgender to be a recruiter *and* approach people like that
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<allcentury>
My API wrapper is having an issue where a .json response is giving back a JSON value not an object. Faraday is throwing a parse error on it...
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<t4nk804>
havenwood: Fantastic! Now, why would I need that?
<paul0>
Gserver returns the content I expect it to return, but it finishes with "connection reset by peer", any ideas why this is happening?
<havenwood>
t4nk804: You wanted to know which versions of Ruby were supported. Looking at the continuous integration config file tells you what they continuously test against.
<waxjar>
pipework, what's wrong with flattening in this case?
<pipework>
waxjar: Because maybe the structure needs to be preserved.
<foucist>
pipework: this essentially what i need to check if (@mail.from.nil || @mail.from[0].blank?)
<foucist>
er
<foucist>
.nil? there
<waxjar>
it will be, it isn't flatten! :)
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<t4nk804>
havenwood: Actually, why did you recommend me lego-nxt over ruby-nxt??
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<havenwood>
t4nk804: continuous integration testing, code climate and test coverage reporting, more standard project layout, purportedly a nicer API, and better documentation
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<havenwood>
t4nk804: TL;DR: it had a .travis.yml file to point you to
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<t4nk804>
havenwood: Sound good. You've worked with it before?
<havenwood>
t4nk804: nope
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<t4nk804>
havenwood: Heh, still, I take your word for it.
<t4nk804>
It did. DOes it install all the dependencies?
<waxjar>
yep
<t4nk804>
Allrighty then! Thanks a lot!
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<Sephyros>
Hello, i cannot install gems cuz i am mbehind a proxy, i already set my proxy settings on bash.bashrc, but i still getting 403
<aust>
so i busted out my mac and tried installing rbenv; apparently i had rvm installed from forever ago, and now everything is severely messed up and my $PATHs are criss-crossing all over the place. Any idea what I can do to fix it?
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<aust>
oh, and I used to use zshell. F me.
<Sephyros>
a guy from RVM said that "the problem is your proxy https, the certificates" but i dont know what to do, already searched!
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<t4nk804>
Sadly, my NXT project is looking grim. Some help would be appreciated. The instructions kind off left me off with nothing.
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<t4nk804>
Like the readme told me to do, I plugged the NXT to my Windows using the cable. The libraries (?) were supposed to do the rest. No examples work. Error and quote: https://eval.in/204284
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<t4nk804>
Apparently, I have a load error on the main gem, which I find quite strange and obnoxious.
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