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<zenspider> jdecuirm: what book?
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<zenspider> ruby-lang007: in minitest, that's just assert_include
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<zenspider> you could also just do assert ary.any? { |o| ... }
<zenspider> I'd bet there is some equivalent in rspec
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<zenspider> but that code seems like a bad way to test something
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<jdecuirm> I was reading Beginning Ruby
<jdecuirm> now i changed to The Well Grounded Ruby
<jdecuirm> Rubyist*
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<ledestin> jdecuirm: which programming language you’re coming from?
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<jdecuirm> I'm from Java, C# and Objective-C
<jdecuirm> :P
<ledestin> jdecuirm: so why do you come to Ruby?
<jdecuirm> Backend, with Rails!
<jdecuirm> I need to create API's to be consumed by my mobile apps!
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<jdecuirm> As far as i understand, nginx as server, ruby on rails in place of php and mysql will do the job
<jdecuirm> But i'm not a BaaS guy. I prefer to create my own backend
<jdecuirm> even if it took me more time hehe :P
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<womble> For APIs, I wouldn't use Rails. There are lots of much more API-oriented frameworks out there.
<djbkd> curious if you looked at Groovy/Grails if you're coming from Java?
<jdecuirm> :o Like?
<womble> It's not that you *can't* do APIs in Rails, it's just that Rails gives you heaps of stuff you don't need.
<jdecuirm> Not really! djbkd
<djbkd> or if you're really in for some adventure, Clojure
<womble> I've used Sinatra and Grape for APIs
<jdecuirm> in fact i lost a lot from java because i began with objective-c and get passionated with it
<jdecuirm> They are all ruby based?
<jdecuirm> What are the limitations with Sinatra or Grape?
<zenspider> womble: but rails has 100x more doco & people than sinatra & grape
<jdecuirm> Meaning that Rails is so popular, that was the first i found as an option
<zenspider> stick with rails until you know what you're doing and can make an informed decision on your own.
<womble> zenspider: Yes, but if 99% of them aren't focused on building APIs, it's not really an advantage.
<zenspider> you'll have a lot more resources available to you
<jdecuirm> I thought about learning Scala
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<jdecuirm> but i found funnier Ruby
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<jdecuirm> And there are some useful gems for my goals like the gem for push notifications and so on
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<jdecuirm> That was one of the first things i looked to, handling push notifications and found some tutorials for rails
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<jdecuirm> Hello
<jdecuirm> Anyone alive? D:
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<ericwood> hi
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<jdecuirm> sorry!
<jdecuirm> i have a doubt!
<jdecuirm> i am working with File input and output, i understand totally the input
<jdecuirm> but when i want to write a result to an output file
<jdecuirm> i do as follows
<jdecuirm> fh.puts "#{number.to_s} = #{fahrenheit.to_s}"
<jdecuirm> but, the result appears like
<jdecuirm> 100
<jdecuirm> =212
<jdecuirm> like so, not in the same line :S
<ericwood> hmmm weird
<ericwood> try this
<ericwood> "#{number.to_s.strip}"
<ledestin> jdecuirm: you don’t need to_s
<ericwood> ^^^^^
<ledestin> jdecuirm: and you have EOL, so don’t have \n in number
<ledestin> it means number is already a String
<jdecuirm> yei thanks, but still they appear in different lines :c
<jdecuirm> oh, strip, right! wait
<jdecuirm> oh my god i love you guys xd
<jdecuirm> Is there any restriction with output extensions with the documents?
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<jdecuirm> in fact, is there any restriction about reading data from a extension??
<ledestin> jdecuirm: what do you mean?
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<jdecuirm> for example, i'm reading data from a temp.dat
<jdecuirm> the .dat extension
<jdecuirm> but can i read from any other type of file?
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<ledestin> jdecuirm: sure
<jdecuirm> awesome :3
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<harly_> jdecuirm: var number must already be a string. and you don't need to_s it happens automatically in that context. Just go #{number.strip} or, probably better, wherever you're setting number you may want to turn it into an int with number = number.to_i or to_f, or at least pre-strip it with number = number.strip or similar.
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<hramrach> hello
<hramrach> what does rake use to locate rdoc?
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<hramrach> I did git clone https://github.com/larskanis/opengl.git
<hramrach> then rake newb
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<hramrach> and I get /usr/local/bin/rdoc1.9.1 --title opengl-0.9.0 Documentation -o doc --main README.rdoc lib History.rdoc Manifest.txt README.rdoc examples/OrangeBook/3Dlabs-License.txt README.rdoc History.rdoc
<hramrach> WTF?
<hramrach> I have no local ruby installation
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<hramrach> ruby1.9.1 --version
<hramrach> ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20 revision 35410) [x86_64-linux]
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<hramrach> hmm, I guess --with-sitedir"=>"/usr/local/lib/site_ruby" is bogus but should not cause binaries to be pulled from /usr/local nonetheless
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<fusillicode_> quick question: is it possible to alias a relation that I've defined in a parent class inside a subclass?
<fusillicode_> I mean, I want that the parent relation is accessible in the subclass but with another name
<fusillicode_> and then I have also another question
<fusillicode_> but before I want to solve this first problem
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<dingus_khan> apeiros: thanks
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<fusillicode_> it this room dead?
<fusillicode_> mmm
<dingus_khan> it's at least sarcastic
<maloik> fusillicode_: what do you mean by relation? you don't mean a rails association do you?
<fusillicode_> maloik: actually I mean an association
<fusillicode_> not a rails one
<fusillicode_> I'm using mongoid outside rails
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<fusillicode_> just plain Ruby and mongoid
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<maloik> I don't think there's a plug and play way to do that other than using custom methods
<maloik> Just to make sure, you want to 'rename' the relation between the objects, right?
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<fusillicode_> ?
<fusillicode_> any suggestion? :(
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<fusillicode_> btw I tried to search around but I didn't find anything
<Novtopro> hello
<fusillicode_> hi Novtopro :)
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<apeiros> dingus_khan: regarding your question from yesterday?
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<apeiros> dingus_khan: that was not sarcastic. and if you fail to follow your question up with more details, that's pretty much your problem. but sure, blame it on a "sarcastic channel".
<maloik> It always boils down to "help people help you"
<dingus_khan> apeiros: there wasn't a question about what i meant, just sardonic superlative. but sure, act as though you're un-antagonistically helpful
<apeiros> dingus_khan: I was informing you that your question as asked was useless. if you perceived it as antagonistic - seriously dude, *your* problem.
<apeiros> dingus_khan: also following up 24h later? seriously?
<maloik> I'm amazed you remembered... and looking back, it really was a vague question
<dingus_khan> apeiros: if you can't perceive how useless it is to make such a statement, or that it was unnecessarily acerbic, *you have a problem*
<dingus_khan> it was, i meant to add to it but had to leave abruptly, hence super late reply
<dingus_khan> it was a design question
<apeiros> dingus_khan: *shrug* stuck your head in the sand. not my problem. anyway, thanks for raising a huge red flag. Welcome on my ignore.
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<dingus_khan> i've never appreciated an ignore so much
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<apeiros> dingus_khan: one thing to ponder for you - you got zero answers. maybe, just maybe your question was at fault.
<dingus_khan> i already knew it was--judging from your English mistakes, i won't blame you for missing my explanations just above
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<dingus_khan> if you're not playing the last word game still, something for you to ponder, then: excellent demonstration on how to be actually less than helpful
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<maloik> let it go already, you don't get along, fine, time to move on :-)
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<dingus_khan> hopefully he really has put me on ignore
<dingus_khan> or she
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<whitequark> >judging from your English mistakes
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<whitequark> that's got to be the dumbest excuse I heard in years
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<dingus_khan> for not reading something?
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<dingus_khan> *shrug* i guess i agree, but this window serves less than no purpose now, thanks again irc
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<hramrach> well, there used to be actual ruby developers in this channel actually giving useful answers. but if you don't hang out here answering questions how can you expect anyone else to do so. so that's what you get I guess
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<apeiros> hramrach: there still are plenty of people giving useful answers here.
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<darix> i can confirm apeiros sometimes gives useful answers.
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<yorickpeterse> only sometimes
<yorickpeterse> also yay 15 min free wifi
<yorickpeterse> > Please enter your name: "lol no"
<yorickpeterse> > Please enter your email: "lolno@example.com"
<yorickpeterse> I <3 airport wifi asking for stupid personal info just to get 15 min free wifi
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<DefV> one 8 more minutes till we get rid of yorickpeterse again
<DefV> good
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<darix> can you get the name of the currently running ruby interpreter without rbconfig?
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<darix> harly_: nice try but wrong.
<harly_> hey, here i was thinking this was the rails channel.
<harly_> sorry bout that
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<harly_> although, within just ruby it's the same: ruby -e "puts RUBY_VERSION"
<harly_> what about that doesn't work for you?
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<darix> ruby -r rbconfig -e "puts RbConfig::CONFIG['ruby_install_name']"
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<harly_> looks like the value that rbconfig gets is hardcoded during installation.
<darix> sure. and i need the name of the current ruby interpreter to call another script with the same interpreter
<harly_> and you can't use hte RbConfig value... why? (just curious)
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<harly_> anyway. more here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ruby/2010-January/000240.html the value you want is right there as you pasted. why would you want to get it another way?
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<darix> not all scripts have rbconfig loaded already
<harly> hmm. :ruby_install_name exists without any extra loading...
<harly> and this works: ruby -e "puts RbConfig::CONFIG['ruby_install_name']" ie, no extra loading...
<harly> do you have an example where that isn't working?
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<[spoiler]> wat. I just read the drama from earlier... apeiros gives the best answers. they're educative and sometimes sassy+funny
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<harly> indeed. but hey, best response to drama people is:
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<[spoiler]> not sure if harly is creating a cliffhanger or trying to be clever :P
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<[spoiler]> darix, harly why not RbConfig.ruby (implying RbConfig is loaded; until now I thought it's always loaded)
<apeiros> darix, [spoiler]: thanks. much appreciated :)
<harly> hey, i said indeed. *cries*
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<darix> [spoiler]: that is almost better but my patch already works.
<darix> it is a lot of run to build rubinius without an existing /usr/bin/ruby
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<apeiros> harly: thanks to you too :)
<harly> woo! drama *does* work.
<apeiros> sometimes
* harly wipes tears of success.
* apeiros just back from training, so vision is limited to highlights - mostly
<[spoiler]> apeiros, oo training? :D
<[spoiler]> Idk why I had a mental image of ninjas
<toretore> troll school
<apeiros> [spoiler]: no, half-marathon preparations
<apeiros> but it helps combatting trolls because my pulse stays lower overall :)
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<harly> what's your resting HR
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<apeiros> atm 50-60bpm
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<harly> 50s pretty awesome. best i ever hit was 45, but lying in bed after waking up, not just sitting.
<harly> probably 70 now. <- fat bastard.
<apeiros> :)
<apeiros> I haven't explicitly measured resting HR yet
<apeiros> and I should still measure max HR.
<harly> do eeet. i found it a good indicator of recovery time. would be 10 up after a long day, for a couple days.
<harly> f@#$max. at decent fitness I couldn't hit it anymore before legs dies lol
<apeiros> I'm actually curious what my max HR is. it should be somewhere around 210.
<harly> what are you, 15?
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<apeiros> past 30. but max hr has been quite high all my life :)
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<harly> hm ok. mine's alwyas been in line with the usual formulas. 37 and can't get above 185 anymore. could hit about 197 at 27.
<apeiros> I can't remember whether with 18 it was 220 or 230 :-/. I know that max hr is >201 as I run 3km out of 14km at that pulse :D
<harly> jeebus. when I was at 197 max I could only hold 177ish for a few ks before losing it. you must be getting pretty good tijmes :)
<apeiros> but yeah… I should really measure those two. at the moment I'm more concerned about what pace I can go with a steady pulse. atm it's sadly only ~6min 10s per km :-/
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<harly> hmm, ok, that's not so fast. been training long? It does drop fairly quickly once you're into it. cruising HR that is.
<apeiros> serious training started 2months ago. and I started from almost zero about 6 months ago. back then I was coughing my lungs out after 50min for 5km :D
<harly> ie, if I went out now I could probably hold a bit above 6:00 for a couple ks, at say 160 (remember, my max 185). but after a couple weeks that speed would incrase, for that HR threshold.
<apeiros> I'm still nowhere near where I left 10y ago :-( but I was never an endurance athlete
<apeiros> s/but/also/
<maloik> how often do you run? that's pretty impressive
<harly> ah ok. you'll find it drops fairly quickly then, if you get out regulary, esp once you start throwing in some interval sprints.
<jtperreault> > interval sprints
<apeiros> maloik: 4x per week for the last 2 months now. and 1-2x per week since ~april
<jtperreault> yup
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<apeiros> harly: yeah, doing interval once a week
<harly> and if you have fat to loose, that of course will change speed/hr too.
<apeiros> it's the training where I'm most exhausted after :D
<jtperreault> all this talk making me miss x-country ski season
<maloik> s/x-country//]
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<harly> maloik :)
<maloik> or s/x-/back/
<maloik> :D
<apeiros> harly: yeah. I went down from 94kg to 87kg now. I hope I reach 84/85ish when I run half marathon end of october
<maloik> I've started climbing in november last year, it helps a bit with strength etc but I'm still too fat... probably going to start running and/or biking soon to get rid of that and improve general fitness
<maloik> hopefully lose 5kg or so when winter comes around, on our ski trips last year I was always lagging behind as soon as we had to climb
<apeiros> :)
<harly> go biking. even when I was running a *lot* (1:35 half maras) a ski trip would kill my legs. you need that extension.
<maloik> really? that's a good tip
<maloik> what about losing fat and fitness though? don't you need to bike a lot longer comparatively?
<apeiros> yeah, training helped in that regard a lot. we go hiking every year. last two years I suffered quite a bit and lagged behind. this year it was comfortable.
<harly> i was bragging to my friend how I would out last him skiing. legs were like cement the next day, esp glutes.
<apeiros> harly: 1:35 half marathon? impressive! I aim for <2h
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<darix> now your people got offtopic
<darix> s/your/you/
<harly> not sure about bike vs running for burning calories. the hardest part is just not eating more lol
<apeiros> darix: this is ##polysports, go away ;-p
<harly> apeiros: 8 years ago. now, when I get back into it occasionally, i also aim for <2. well. 2:10 :)
<harly> ok yeah, off topic. :)
<darix> harly: the really hard part is when you work right above a really good steak restaurant.
<apeiros> or have a talented cook as your wife…
<darix> apeiros: yes
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<maloik> someone I know fasts for 24 hours once a week, I'm going to try that as soon as I work remotely on a fixed schedule (which will be right after arrrrcamp)
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<darix> maloik: a friend currently trys that with fasting every 2nd day.
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<darix> so
<maloik> that's starvation, not fasting
<maloik> :P
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<maloik> how's that going though?
<darix> havent asked. but we kinda stopped the topic food, because i can never remember if it is a fast day or a food day
<darix> and i was told it is mean to talk about delicious foods half of the time.
<darix> ;)
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<harly> fasting works. trains you to appreciate having an appetite, and not thinking of it as hunger :)
<harly> but not before a run day lol
<maloik> that's exactly what he said, yea
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<darix> harly: probably not on a run day either ;)
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<harly> probably not. I spent most of my training eating very minimally for recovery. in retrospect probably a bad idea. :)
<harly> now i'd do say a fasting day (1 tiny meal), next day big breakfast, run at lunch, and a decent balanced meal afterwards.
<[spoiler]> how do you even calculate your lowest possible heartrate
<[spoiler]> or is it measured
<harly> lowest is pretty variable. based on heart size, which is based on activity.
<[spoiler]> oh right
<[spoiler]> uh wtf I can't even feel my pulse
<[spoiler]> or the beat on my chest
<harly> if you start doing interval training that will build your heart muscle. it'll pump more per pulse. so your resting HR will lower.
<[spoiler]> whaaat
<harly> are you a bot?
<[spoiler]> ok nvm i foudn it
<harly> (two fingers on the neck works best for me)
<[spoiler]> it's cool
<[spoiler]> I'm not undead
<harly> so you say.
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<darix> [spoiler]: maybe you are a robot. we should do the same test as they did with sheldon.
<[spoiler]> :o
<[spoiler]> who's sheldon?
<[spoiler]> what's his nick I mean
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<[spoiler]> darix, LOL oh right
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<darix> so what are your answers to the questions?:p
<[spoiler]> hmm so my heartbeat is 78/pmin
<[spoiler]> is that bad or good?
<[spoiler]> 88 b/m
<darix> it depends
<darix> on what you are doing. how stressed you are.
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<darix> if you are relaxing on your bed, it is probably bad
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<[spoiler]> I'm sitting at work, contemplating whether I'm a zombie, but not too stressed about it, and talking on IRC. Also
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<[spoiler]> no Also, that was PM it
<[spoiler]> I'm 21, if it's of any relevance, though
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<harly> too many variables middle of day even when sitting.
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<harly> do it when you wake up.
<harly> lying down.
<[spoiler]> Aaaw, It says below average
<harly> and if you're recovering from a run, it'll be up too.
<harly> hey wait who am i talking to here lol
<[spoiler]> hmm nah. I'm not really in great shape, that might be the reason
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<harly> i was replying as if it was apeiros
<harly> yeah 70-80 is my unfit resting rate too.
<[spoiler]> LOL
<harly> a trained heart will double in size. crazy huh.
<[spoiler]> I kinda wondered why you mentioned running
<[spoiler]> isn't a big heart bad, I think i saw in a film it's bad
<harly> "athletes" get special consideration
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<harly> edge case.
<[spoiler]> Haha :D
<apeiros> harly: double in size - volume?
<harly> yeah volume.
<apeiros> afaik a trained heart can also more easy survive a heart attack
<apeiros> *easily
<harly> it's just a muscle. weak and small when you dno't do much. if you regularly train at 80%+ max, it buffs up.
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<apeiros> interestingly though max heart rate is not influenced by training
<harly> yeah. it's fixed. :)
<[spoiler]> Hmm. Does't a trained heart imply a healthy body, so it has less chance of a heart attack? Just wondering here
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<[spoiler]> This is kinda creepy, though. According to this chart, an athlete's heart can beat at 49 - 55 b/m; so it's less then 1 b/s
<[spoiler]> than*
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<harly> yep. at my fittest i had a resting of 42-45ish.
<apeiros> [spoiler]: as far as I understood, a trained heart bypasses the blockade on its own
<apeiros> IANAD, though
<harly> that was 5 days running a week, some 60+ ks total.
<[spoiler]> Not sure why it's creepy, it kinda makes me think of a slow-mo heart
<[spoiler]> What's ks?
<harly> KM
<[spoiler]> ooh right, sorry
<harly> 37 miles for you loggerheads.
<[spoiler]> A friend of mine runs (well, jogs) 20 KM a day
<[spoiler]> He jogs to work and from work, so it's ~10 in one direction and ~10 on his way home
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<[spoiler]> I wonder what his heartrate is
<maloik> it's the best time to jog, as you have to cover the distance anyway... but I could never do that, I'd be arriving at work soaked in sweat
<[spoiler]> Oh, he changes and showers at work; he's "tech support" in a hotel, so it's not a big issue for him
<[spoiler]> maloik, I already asked him about it haha
<maloik> I see
<[spoiler]> oh I was drinking coffee, maybe that's why my heartrate is a bit elevated
<maloik> caffeine makes your palms sweat
<maloik> the rest of your body too I imagine
<maloik> so elevated heartrate doesn't sound too crazy, no
<[spoiler]> now that you mention it, my palms are sweatish lol
<harly> yeah i used to jog 10ks to work. was faster door to door than driving, cos of traffic. but the showering lost the gains :)
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<harly> best was lunch run though. bad coding morning, run away from all the problems :D
<[spoiler]> Hahahaha
<[spoiler]> literally :)
<harly> indeed. good motivator to incrase distance too
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<Aethenelle> I'm working on getting Module#prepend to work in JRuby. I've come across a test in the jruby test suite that is in neither rubyspec or the tests used by the mri devs. This test is verifying the behavior of multiple levels of includes.
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<Aethenelle> class C includes B and inherits from A
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<Aethenelle> B then includes X
<Aethenelle> C is then checked for the absence of X
<Aethenelle> The same is true for prepend.
<Aethenelle> What I'd like to know is if this behavior is actually intended?
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<Aethenelle> The current behavior of MRI passes this test for both prepend and include.
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<harly> off the cuff, do you have reason to think it isn't?
<Aethenelle> harly: other than it being counter intuitive, no
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<harly> just trying to avoid crawling through the code. are you familiar with include vs require in ruby? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/318144/what-is-the-difference-between-include-and-require-in-ruby
<harly> counter-intuitive still in that light?
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<Aethenelle> I do know MRI would not pass the opposite test...
<Aethenelle> harly: one sec...
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<harly> (and i'm reading up on m#prepend)
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<Aethenelle> harly: that dialog doesn't really apply... some of the comments about include come close to this situation but fall a bit short...
<harly> ok
<Aethenelle> harly: the only difference between prepend and include is the location... prepend creates an anonymous superclass, moves the methods to that class then includes the prepending modules in the original module/class
<Aethenelle> include skips the anonymous superclass step
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<harly> right. so it's a way to position the hierarchy or prepend/include for inheritance lookups.
<harly> s/or/of/
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<Aethenelle_> harly: correct. The question is what happens when those modules themselves later get a prepend or include?
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<Aethenelle_> my wimax is likely to die off soon... i'll be back on once i get into the office when that happens.
<harly> i've gotta say, just looking at a prepend example that's counter intuitive to me. it even overrides within the class that does the prepend.
<harly> (notyours. some random online one.)
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<Aethenelle_> harly: but that's exactly what prepend is for.... it's probably most useful to wrap methods
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<Aethenelle> you can now just prepend a module then call super instead of creating a wrapper method that gets injected when methods are added
<harly> yep, makes sense. my initial thought was that it was just to toggle extend vs include priority. but it's a sharper knife than that.
<imperator> good morning
<Aethenelle> fwiw, extend is effectively obj.meta_eval{ include ModA }
<harly> doubt i can answer your question of if it's intended, since i'm learning this now. but running your code cos this is interesting.
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<harly> am I right in understanding that you're ok with all the tests passing as is, but you would expect with prepend for it work differently?
<harly> say line 29 if it were prepend instead of include, you would intuitively expect equal to 2 at 40?
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<Aethenelle> harly: no, I would have expected both prepend and include to allow future includes/prepends to update the including/prepending class
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<Aethenelle> harly yes, I had expected it to be 2
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<Aethenelle> for both prepend and include
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<harly> (still tracing stuff. not going to be much help, but this is interesting)
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<Aethenelle> harly: It's all good. at least you're getting something out of it.
<Aethenelle> bbl time to walk to the office
<harly> i agree with you. say include2. it takes As foo, but after X defined foo which was included into B, and since includes should override inheritance, I don't see why it still fall sback to A.
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<harly> but i'm looking at a pretty old reference for inheritance hierarchy.
<harly> ( i would cry if this were frequently used somewhere i worked ;)
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<Aethenelle> back
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<headius> Aethenelle: these are wacky tests
<Aethenelle> headius: they're not really all that wacky considering how I implemented prepend once I stopped trying to simply port the MRI code for it to Java.
<Aethenelle> headius: test_simple_include anyway
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<Aethenelle> if the behavior's intended, then these tests should probably find their way into MRI's test suite.
<headius> agreed
<headius> apparently I wrote them in 2008
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<Aethenelle> headius: I doubt this logic has changed much in quite a while.
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<headius> probably not :-)
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<yorickpeterse> Ah, home sweet home
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<akahn> anyone know if Net::SMTP connections are meant to be long-lived or if you're supposed to connect, send a message, and then disconnect?
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<banister> The guy behind rubymonks hangs out here right?
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<banister> does anyone remember his nickname?
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<mcantor> How can I get colorized diff output from MiniTest expectations like must_equal?
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<nofxx> mcantor, not sure minitest, but look for some dotfile config like .test file that contains '--color'
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<nofxx> mcantor, in other words checke the cmd option and hardcode in a dotfile so you don't need to type
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<mcantor> nofxx: I've never heard of such a dotfile
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<nofxx> mcantor, well I mean generic, rspec's was .spec now is .rspec
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<nofxx> mcantor, should be .mtest hehe
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<airborne> hey guys, I just published a new rspec driven api testing framework called airborne (https://github.com/brooklynDev/airborne) and I'm having issues getting travis to build successfully. When I run my tests locally using 'rspec spec' it works fine, but when run locally or on travis with 'bundle exec rspec spec' it fails. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks!
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<zenspider> airborne: "it fails" == "useless non-information"
<zenspider> mcantor: since minitest is just calling out to diff, maybe provide the right flags to that to colorize its own diffs?
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