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<flgr>
apeiros: thanks, I'll find out how to do it and go for it (super slow reply)
<flgr>
rue: thanks. :)
<flgr>
rue: feels like it's been a long while, I think I remember you from back in the olden times :)
<rue>
flgr: Internet-ancient almost? Early 2000’s?
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<lewis1711>
I have two arrays [:a1, :c1, :a2, :c2] and [:b1, :d1, :b2, :d2]. Wanting to get [[:a1, :b1, :c1, :d1], [:a1, :b2, :c2. :d2]]. I'm sure this is easy but drawing a blank. it's like zip, but not
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<lewis1711>
spoiler alert:
<lewis1711>
left = [:a1, :c1, :a2, :c2]; right = [:b1, :d1, :b2, :d2]; left.zip(right).flatten.each_slice(4).to_a
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<canton7>
do you mean [:h2, :b2, :c2, :d2] in the second desired array?
<canton7>
s/h2/a2
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<yorickpeterse>
sweet jesus, I got my happy hacking and it fucking rocks
<yorickpeterse>
and it's so tiny compared to my Das
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<Technodrome>
[spoiler]: ah, i think i got it now :)
<Technodrome>
i really appreciate your explanation
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<[spoiler]>
Technodrome: np :)
<Technodrome>
[spoiler]: how long you been using ruby?
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<[spoiler]>
Technodrome: well, hard to answer. Probably a little under a year?
<[spoiler]>
i'd say between 6 and 8 months of properly using ruby
<[spoiler]>
I've been interested in it before that, though
<Technodrome>
i started using it way back in say 2004 or what not , but been using Python since
<[spoiler]>
Oh, I've never been much into python
<[spoiler]>
I tried it, but I fell in love with ruby
<wnd>
I haven't looked back to python after trying ruby for the first time
<[spoiler]>
wnd: same
<wnd>
ruby just makes sense
<[spoiler]>
wnd: ruby just rubys
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<Technodrome>
what happened to me
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<Technodrome>
ruby is so much better than python :(
<yorickpeterse>
__init__(self):
<yorickpeterse>
lol()
<Technodrome>
i hate the __something__ stuff as well
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<toretore>
like __send__
<yorickpeterse>
Personally I enjoy the hypocrisy of PEP8/stdlib
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. urllib and urllib2
<yorickpeterse>
and 2.6/2.7 having two logger libraries last time I checked, though I'm not sure if that's still the case
<yorickpeterse>
and packaging
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<yorickpeterse>
fuck
<yorickpeterse>
python
<yorickpeterse>
packaging
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<rchar>
my favorite python class is LifoQueue
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<Technodrome>
there is multiple reasons to like Ruby more than Python
<Technodrome>
and a few for Python as well
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<Technodrome>
they're pretty obvious and reflect the reality and the culture of both camps
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<zerokarmaleft>
https://gist.github.com/zerokarmaleft/7256791 <= trying to mock out the std i/o streams to test against HighLine in RSpec, and I'm oddly finding the input stream exhausted when it should be at pos 0 when the assertion fails
<zerokarmaleft>
if I inspect the input with pry, it actually is at pos 0
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<zzak>
yorickpeterse: i need to get a wireless HHK
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<yorickpeterse>
why a wireless one?
<yorickpeterse>
the cable isn't that bad
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<Technodrome>
yorickpeterse: they can come into handy
<Technodrome>
i sold mine for around 50k
<Technodrome>
it wasn't just like few hundred dollars you were implying :P
<yorickpeterse>
young startups tend not to be worth a lot for the first few years
<Technodrome>
usually got to work there 2-3 years to sell them
<yorickpeterse>
so unless you intend to stay for a long time I don't think it would gain you a lot
<yorickpeterse>
Of course there are some exceptions, but they are that: exceptions
<Technodrome>
so get a good salary >120k and some nice stock options, in 2 years you can leave that year making 170k or so
<yorickpeterse>
Either way, it's pretty interesting to see how different NL is compared to the US (as far as I know at least)
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<yorickpeterse>
also 120k is insanely large for here
<drbrain>
don't forget that the VC investors get special shares that are worth several of the employee shares and get cashed out first if the company tanks
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<Technodrome>
yorickpeterse: you're jumping to conclusions on how it works and their worth, of course if the company doesn't do good, it won't be good , but for many people it works out
<Technodrome>
very true drbrain but they usually are the ones who made it possible in the first place
<yorickpeterse>
tl;dr I prefer having money at the end of the month, every month, without having to go through stock bs
<Technodrome>
yorickpeterse: 120 seems to be the number most experienced people "shoot for"
<Technodrome>
you will get the same salary either way, the stock option is a bonus
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<yorickpeterse>
I think if you shoot for that here you'll get laughed at unless it's some really big company
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<Technodrome>
there is plenty of people that work here doing programming for 70-100 as well yorickpeterse , but i'm saying that's what most people shoot for
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<Technodrome>
yorickpeterse: but some people get even more lucky, like the instagram guys etc, literally have 20 or so employees make a quick 100k or so
<Technodrome>
or even more
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<yorickpeterse>
like I said, the exceptions
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<Technodrome>
yorickpeterse: no, the exceptions are where you get real lucky, if the company grows as usual you will still make out a lot better than not having it
<Technodrome>
like i said though, its completely separate from salary
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<Technodrome>
its not like you get paid 100 and stock options or 120 and without, its 120 with or without
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<Technodrome>
[spoiler]: why does that puts just in a class all by itself get executed?
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<drbrain>
Technodrome: puts is Kernel#puts which lives everywhere
<[spoiler]>
Technodrome: because it's insie a class definition, it's part of the class "creation" proces
<Technodrome>
i mean why is it executed though?
<[spoiler]>
process
<[spoiler]>
it's not a sub-routine, like a method
<[spoiler]>
attr_accessor and the likes
<[spoiler]>
are just functions
<[spoiler]>
or methods, if you will, that
<[spoiler]>
take keys as parameters
<[spoiler]>
erm
<[spoiler]>
symbols
<Technodrome>
so anything in the class that is not in a method gets executed on object creation?
<Technodrome>
i guess it makes sense
<[spoiler]>
no, it gets executed as soon as it's ready to be executed (as soon as it's "parsed," i guess)
<Technodrome>
oh
<[spoiler]>
there's a special method `initialize` that gets executed on object creation
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<[spoiler]>
>> class Poop; puts "hello world"; end
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<Technodrome>
whitequark: why can't you do just self.variable = 10 in a class?
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<whitequark>
because self.variable = 10 is a syntax for calling a method "variable=" with argument "10" on "self"
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<whitequark>
unless you define it, there's no such method.
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<Technodrome>
whitequark: its going to take me a little to realize that there is no such thing as a "property" in the sense of python in ruby
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<[spoiler]>
whitequark: method definitions are not executed the same as class definitions, or are they? Because if that were the case, then this shouldn't work: https://eval.in/private/c6c573b2dc5116
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<[spoiler]>
Technodrome: sure there are properties, you just need to make getters and setters for them :)
<Technodrome>
yeah
<[spoiler]>
Also, you can play with method_missing to achieve the JS-like property behaviour
<Technodrome>
[spoiler]: in a way you could say its more Java like than java
<Technodrome>
what is ruby is like "typeof" in ruby?
<Technodrome>
err js
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<[spoiler]>
.class
<[spoiler]>
can work
<toretore>
obj.is_a?(Klass)
<[spoiler]>
toretore: it's not the same as JS's `typeof`
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<toretore>
js doesn't have class inheritance
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<toretore>
so it is
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<toretore>
neither is actually like typeof, but they're both similar to it
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<whitequark>
[spoiler]: they are
<whitequark>
so first a class Meep is defined, then a method "a" is defined, then a method "b" is defined
<whitequark>
then you create an instance of Meep and call "a" on it, both methods are already defined at that point.
<[spoiler]>
whitequark: but, method a calls method b inside of it. the way you said it sounded like there'd be an error when "b" was encountered inside of a
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<Technodrome>
if i make a quick function in the global space, and i call .class on it, why do i get "NilClass" nothing is int it ,but still?
<whitequark>
because empty statements implicitly return nil
<Technodrome>
but each following method doesn't operate on the return type, it just sends it directly to Object
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<[spoiler]>
erm. I don't think so. At least I never encountered it
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<Technodrome>
i forget what smalltalk calls that operation
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<whitequark>
it doesn't
<whitequark>
because in smalltalk that would be a single method called method1:method2:method3:method4
<drbrain>
it sounds more like the VB with
<[spoiler]>
Technodrome: you could allow it by returning self. So, object.one.two.whee
<whitequark>
drbrain: in smalltalk, you can interleave method name and actual parameters
<whitequark>
it's weird
<drbrain>
whitequark: yeah, I know
<drbrain>
I've never heard of Object method1; method2; method3; method4 (semicolons) in smalltalk
<Technodrome>
drbrain: have you used smalltalk quite a bit? I might be wrong, but back when i used it quite a bit i remember doing something very similar
<Technodrome>
but its been years
<Technodrome>
but a semi colon was involved somehow i think :)
<Technodrome>
i don't think it was just colons
<drbrain>
Technodrome: I haven't. The semicolons would be the same as: Object method1. Object method2. Object method3. Object method4 ⁇