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<imperator> whelp, time to blow up some virtual tanks
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<jtoy> how can I change this lien so it works with binary/utf8 ? ruby -ne "require 'json'; obj = JSON.parse(\$_); if obj.nil? then puts \$_;end"
<jtoy> it does on lines with utf8 in it
<jtoy> dies
<zzak> erikh: we're not scaling to 40 machines are we? haha
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<bassir> How can I join an array of words into a sentence? I wan to make the array ["Hello World", "Word" to become "Hello World Word" instead of .join which will make it "Hello WorldWord"
<burgestrand> bassir: have a look at the argument to join.
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<zenspider> rawr
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<banisterfiend> Asher: hey raffles
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<Asher> hey what's up
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<rue> Ugh
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<countdigi> im trying to ignore stdout/stderr in a block https://gist.github.com/3180842
<countdigi> but when i run rspec tests on this stderr/stdout never comes back - just blank
<countdigi> checked out a couple different stacktrace articles but still having trouble wondering if anyone might have a pointer
<countdigi> @shell.exec is making a system(cmd) call btw
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<banisterfiend> anyone ever got this before? "Error: fiber called across stack rewinding barrier "
<faces> countdigi: i can't help with redirecting/restoring stdout and stderr, but you could exec with > /dev/null 2>&1 & to have stdout and stderr blackholed for just that program
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<whitequark> banisterfiend: look for exception handlers or, less likely, callcc
<banisterfiend> whitequark: ah im just using fibers, can you tell me a typical case where it arises?
<whitequark> I'm pretty sure you have something like an exception popped out of fiber and a handler trying to yield to it
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<whitequark> I'm not tested that, through
<whitequark> *I've
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<whitequark> hm, looks like I was wrong
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<whitequark> this _has_ to do anything with exceptions
<countdigi> faces: yep thats what i ended up doing :-)
<banisterfiend> whitequark: stil lnot sure quite what it means, can u give a simple explanation ? :P
<whitequark> banisterfiend: trying to find a piece of code which generates that error.
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<whitequark> I'm not quite sure either at this moment :)
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<banisterfiend> cool:))
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<whitequark> banisterfiend: well... fuck me if I know
<whitequark> theoretically it should fail if the fiber is resumed from another rescue block it was created from
<banisterfiend> whitequark: np, ill figure it out im just being lazy :)
<whitequark> as rb_protect is the single place altering th->protect_tag as I see it
<whitequark> but it doesn't
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<whitequark> neither does wrapping the whole thingie in a catch(){}, which should also probably use protect
<whitequark> through I'm not exactly sure again
<whitequark> well, if I were you, I'd just grep the code for fibers near exception handlers, and that's it
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<banisterfiend> whitequark: im using it in a debugging context, where im using a fiber to provide input to a repl, but when the fiber provides input like 'next' or 'step' which advance execution
<banisterfiend> i get the error
<msch> ahhh rails prepared statements aren't prepared statements at all
<banisterfiend> whitequark: so long as the input from the fiber isn't advancing execution (using next or step) i dont get the error
<whitequark> mhm, I don't quite get
<whitequark> so you use ruby-debug?
<banisterfiend> kind of, im using pry-debugger, which wraps ruby-debug's next/step behaviour
<whitequark> then it's ruby-debug which does the th->protect_tag magic
<whitequark> mhm, what? ruby-debug has no ext/ ?..
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<whitequark> ruby-debug-base19 that should be.
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<whitequark> well, it definitely does funky stuff with rb_protect, but I'm too lazy to figure out how exactly that tangles with the fibers.
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<hramrach> hello
<hramrach> any example of real-time interactive web application written in some combination of ruby-JS
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<hramrach> I mean not like "reload every n seconds" but like "when X changes the server should tell and the JS should update the DOM"
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<whitequark> hramrach: twitter
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<andkerosine> How come the parser isn't able to replace do/end blocks with {} to avoid the occasional precedence error?
<hramrach> whitequark: where is the source?
<certainty> moin
<hramrach> moin
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<apeiros_> andkerosine: it comes from the parser not being able to read your mind
<apeiros_> it can't know what you intended to have precedence
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<andkerosine> Under what circumstances would making the replacement cause unintended behavior?
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<apeiros_> under the circumstance that it was intended by the author
<apeiros_> seriously, just because you in your case don't want it that way doesn't mean everybody wants it that way…
<andkerosine> apeiros_: You mistook my technical question for an aesthetic one.
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<apeiros_> ary.concat other_ary.select { … } # I don't want the block to be associated with concat
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<apeiros_> andkerosine: anyway, the parser not being able to read your mind is the technical answer to your technical question. there are precedence rules and the parser can't possibly guess what you wanted.
<apeiros_> for the same reason as it can't know that when you wrote 5*4+2 you actually meant 5*(4+2) - it'll use the precedence as defined by the syntax.
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<Harzilein> hmm
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<Harzilein> i'm searching for a specific natural language gem, it wraps a c library that uses english and japanese corpora for, among others, part of speech-tagging
<darix> andkerosine: just because you can leave out brackets, it doesnt mean doing it all the time is a good idea.
<hramrach> Harzilein: does such thing exist? AFAIK it is an open problem for most languages
<andkerosine> darix: For clarification: http://codepad.org/ApL9v541
<darix> andkerosine: so use brackets
<darix> andkerosine: apeiros_ explained the problem to you
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<darix> even with the {} syntax you can run into issues. Hashes as last argument are really popular
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<andkerosine> Yeah, that makes sense.
<Harzilein> hramrach: i just remember a scribd presentation, at least the hello world examples worked well
<Harzilein> hramrach: but i cant find the damn thing
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<Harzilein> andkerosine: i think its none of those
<hramrach> anyone uses twitter?
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<hramrach> would like to try what the turnaround of messages on that is and in absence of source I guess I would have to test on the single installation in existence
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<Harzilein> nobody _ever_ uses twitter ;)
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<hramrach> hmm, I guess I can use remote display technology and multiple browsers and accounts
<Harzilein> ah, i found it: http://kimtaro.com/ve/
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<hramrach> interesting
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<hramrach> bah, twitter is relod in X seconds style app
<hramrach> definitely not what I am looking for
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<faces> hramrach: facebook chat does what you're looking for i'm fairly sure, last i heard it's comet+json
<faces> holds a connection open for ~60secs and if no data is recieved it closes and reopens, i assume to make sure the browser doesn't time it out
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<faces> it's not an example of ruby doing it though, but i dont see why it'd be any different using orbited or juggernaut
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<hramrach> faces: I was looking for a sample where the source is available
<hramrach> and then it being ruby or not would make a difference
<faces> ah i figured since you were looking at twitter the source wasn't important
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<hramrach> wanted to see a baseline of what can be achieved, and twitter account can be created easily
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<hramrach> I guess I can try from the other end and look at some comet framework
<faces> if you're using something even somewhat similar to comet or juggernaut what you can achieve is only limited by what javascript can do, juggernaut out-of-the-box will let you send plain js and have it evaluated on the client
<hramrach> since finished applications are hard to come by
<faces> yeah theres not a lot of fleshed out examples, most of them are just the baseline "here's how to send->recieve data"
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<faces> this is the best i've seen for juggernaut https://github.com/maccman/holla
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<mksm> Hi. fog question: how can i start several ec2 instances simultaneously?
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<faces> if you're using ec2 tools there's ec2-start-instances instance_id [instance_id ...]
<hramrach> faces: that application looks interesting, thanks
<mksm> i'm using fog
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<faces> whoops completely skipped over the word fog, sorry!
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<tailend> SomeClass.send(:include, Mod) inserts Mod above SomeClass in the inheritance heirarchy right? So some_class_instance.some_method is #some_method in the original class, not the included module. Is there a way to reverse that, so the module's #some_method takes precidence?
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<rue> tailend: Use a proxy class, or extend the object
<rue> There’s supposed to be a Module#prepend in 2.0
<tailend> so I see
<rue> So class Proxeeh < MyRealClass; include Woo; end
<tailend> not an option Im afraid. The module in my gem must transparently patch a class in another gem.
<tailend> thought I could do something with includes, class_eval and alias but not getting anyt where :/
<tailend> included
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<rue> That sounds like DIW
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<andrewvos> That sounds like a dick move.
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<andrewhl> is it possible to do number comparisons in switch statements? like case x; when > 4 ...;? IRB gives me a syntax error when I try this, but ranges seem to work fine.
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<workmad3> andrewhl: case; when x > 4
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<apeiros_> andrewhl: while workmad3's suggestion works - use if/else
<apeiros_> subject-less case/when is mostly abuse
<andrewhl> ok
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<workmad3> apeiros_: I don't know... sometimes it makes sense stylewise I feel
<apeiros_> workmad3: yes, sometimes
<apeiros_> but it's rather rare IMO
<workmad3> yeah :)
<imperator> are bug reports against 1.9.x still supposed to be made? or is the core team only concerned with 2.0 now?
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<banisterfiend> when is 2.0 due anyway?
<banisterfiend> im rock-hard for Enumerable#lazy
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<any-key> yikes
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<mistym> Huh, I hadn't noticed before that Pathname#find isn't an enumerator, even though Find.find is.
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<rue> Looks like they didn’t get around to it
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<mistym> It's too bad, was going to do foo = pn.find.select { ... }
<rue> Too bad
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<mistym> If I were to report that to the bug tracker, would that be a "bug" or "feature"?
<rue> Feature
<rue> And please do
<mistym> "lib" category?
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<rue> (Feature because the doc doesn’t say it •is• the same as Find.find, just that it uses it)
<rue> Yes
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<burgestrand1> Anybody remember, and have the link to, a blog post from about 1-2 years ago talking about respond_to_missing and the difference between that and respond_to? I am aware of the difference, but I need a reference.
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<mistym> rue: Thanks. Report filed.
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<zenspider> someone know the inner-workings of vim? specifically, how it saves files?
<zenspider> I have someone reporting what looks like a race condition between vim and autotest
<rue> burgestrand: The ri not enough
<rue> ?
<rue> zenspider: Weird…this is normal, external autotest, not hooked into vim at all?
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<zenspider> rue: correct
<zenspider> he says he can get autotest to crash by simply saving a test file over and over
<zenspider> and that the equivalent using `touch` doesn't work
<zenspider> respond_to_missing?
<zenspider> am I _that_ behind on 1.9 isms?
<rue> It’s called if #respond_to? fails to find
<burgestrand> rue: it fails to mention respond_to_missing? allows you to do receiver.method(:method_that_does_not_exist) assuming receiver.respond_to_missing?(:method_that_does_not_exist) returns ture
<burgestrand> … ture = swedish true.
<rue> Fel
<burgestrand> Du är fel :(
* burgestrand coughs
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<burgestrand> Anyhow, there was a blog post a while back that actually mentioned that particular feature, but I can’t seem to find it.
<zenspider> perhaps because you're all fucking with me and it doesn't exist :P
<zenspider> lies. you got james britt to put that there
<rue> burgestrand: …How does that even work, with a proxy?
<burgestrand> rue: I’d assume it just creates some dummy method. All methods have a reference to their receiver and their own name anyway, can’t be *that* different.
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<burgestrand> Usually you get a NameError if you try that, so ruby does some internal checking before x.method(name) returns the Method.
<burgestrand> I suppose that’s just been changed to check respond_to_missing if available :)
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<rue> That’s so…
<rue> Undefinedy
<rue> But appears to work
* burgestrand nods
<rue> Hm…also opens a socket to the WTF Are You Doing Police
<burgestrand> There were even more things you were given if you defined respond_to_missing, but I don’t remember them all.
<burgestrand> I just remember that, as long as you are on 1.9, you might as well define respond_to_missing instead of respond_to.
<rue> Might it be in JEG2’s 1.9 stuff?
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<burgestrand> Hm, he does have a talent for blogging about these fun things, I’ll scour his articles, thanks.
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<burgestrand> Uh.
<burgestrand> Yeah. Scour. Sure.
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<andrewvos> Search twitter for "self of steam".
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<TheDracle> Is there an easy way to make your rails 3 REST api support searching by parameters on a resource?
<TheDracle> I.E: GET /users?first_name=Bob
<TheDracle> Or... GET /users.json?first_name=Bob
<TheDracle> I could do it for specific parameters, but it would be nice to have it semi-automatic on some fields.
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<TheDracle> Ah shit, that was meant for #rails, sorry guys.
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<Rezwan> morning
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<zenspider> argh. I don't WANNA release :/
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<zenspider> ruby_parser 3.0.0.a4 released
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<Rezwan> zenspider: great! :)
<Rezwan> btw don't know what is it! :p
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