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<banisterfiend> laanan: you're note even saying what the problem is..
<banisterfiend> laanan: if you want help you need to provide an error message/backtrace
<laanan> oh, sorry, ok
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<zenspider> banisterfiend: just needs more blue smoke to put in the windows boxen
<laanan> I am looking in the dir that it said the results were logged. meanwhile...it said extconf.rb failed
<banisterfiend> hehe
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<laanan> http://pastebin.com/iegZCgZD ...thanks ;-)
<zenspider> gems/ruby_core_source ?!?
<banisterfiend> laanan: try: gem install debugger
<zenspider> that's a bad idea if I ever saw one...
<laanan> haha
<laanan> ok
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<erikh> zenspider: you should see what perftools.rb does..
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<laanan> so,ok, I thought debug was installed when I installed devkit
<laanan> oops
<laanan> so, do I need to change something with the ruby_core_source?
* zenspider puts fingers in ears
<erikh> laanan: I'd strongly suggest filing an issue report
<laanan> ok
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<laanan> I'll be back later to get more explanation, if you don't mind. That way I can file a proper issue report. But for now, I have yummy food to eat!
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<laanan> > finally succeeded. (The problem was that the install couldn't find
<laanan> > method.h.)
<laanan> >
<laanan> > copy c:\Ruby193\include\ruby-1.9.1\ruby-1.9.3-p125\* c:\Ruby193\include
<laanan> > \ruby-1.9.1
<laanan> >
<S1kx> how comes that in my capybara tests that use javascript (and thus selenium) I have to reload objects when I'm testing for example: expect { click_button "..." }.to change(user.followers, :count).by(1)?
<S1kx> -possibly- associated to database_cleaner with :truncation for js tests, :transaction for others (that use rack-test)
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<andrewvos> wut
<andrewvos> S1kx: What syntax is that?
<andrewvos> S1kx: What unholy heathen syntax is that?
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<andrewvos> How do I test this ruby-lang? https://gist.github.com/3097539
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<yorickpeterse> You can use WebMock for that
<yorickpeterse> lemme get dem URL
<yorickpeterse> And for the queue...hmm
<yorickpeterse> I suppose you can stub the method to just return `true` or something
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Tried using VCR
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Seems like too much work
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<yorickpeterse> WebMock is pretty easy to use
<yorickpeterse> Never tried VCR
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: A little easier
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: I think
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: For testing
<yorickpeterse> Hm
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<whitequark> suppose I need to write a parser in Ruby for a %language name here%
<whitequark> what are my alternatives, besides Treetop?
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<whitequark> racc is... unwieldy. I seen the files it has generated in ruby_parser and they're crap
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<whitequark> treetop is pretty cool, but it makes each and every character a separate node
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<whitequark> parslet seems nice, except its unusual syntax, but I'm not sure of performance. If it isn't a memory hog like treetop it might be an option
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<whitequark> any other suggestions?
<yorickpeterse> I've used Parslet in the past but I'm not sure about its performance
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: well, it seems to at least allocate strings as single nodes
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<yorickpeterse> It creates a node out of what you've defined but usually this will result in quite a few nodes
<yorickpeterse> including whitespace ones
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<yorickpeterse> Mind you it has been a while since I've used Parslet so things might've changed
<yorickpeterse> I also wasn't a huge fan of the syntax
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<S1kx> andrewvos: RSpe
<S1kx> c
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<yorickpeterse> S1kx: that doesn't allow you to mock HTTP requests
<yorickpeterse> andrewvos is well aware of rspec I assume :)
<S1kx> no HTTP mocking involved here, just capybara as replacement for webrat
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<S1kx> and to solve my own problem: the issue was that it only waits and retries the assertions if you use a matcher on the page object (contrary to testing the AR object here), so to wait for the ajax request to complete, a wait_until { ... } block has to be added
<S1kx> (so the problem was a different one afterall anyways)
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<tef> whitequark: write a parser by hand :-)
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<tef> whitequark: really it dependson %language name here%
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<whitequark> tef: liquor templating lang
<whitequark> with some extensions to make it more general-purpose
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<darix> whitequark: dont you mean liquid?
<darix> ah liquor exists too
<darix> whitequark: if you want to write a parser look at ragel
<darix> it can output ruby too
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<whitequark> darix: yeah, it's a fork of liquid
<whitequark> thanks for your suggestion, I'll look
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<yorickpeterse> erikh: probably said this before but nice work on that zlib patch
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<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse: you mean drbrain?
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<yorickpeterse> Oh, that's drbrain?
<yorickpeterse> Damn these nicknames
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<apeiros_> are there nicer solutions than send to use Nokogiri::XML::Builder with namespaced elements?
<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse: well drbrain is eric hodel i think
<apeiros_> e.g. right now I have to do `Nokogiri::XML::Builder.new do |xml| xml.send('namespace:tag', attributes) do … end; end` - and I find that send there pretty ugly…
<apeiros_> banisterfiend: yepp, he is
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<apeiros_> his whois even says so
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<erikh> banisterfiend: correct, drbrain is eric and I am erik
<erikh> I am not the eric who wrote the zlib patches
<rue> This is not the…ah, nevermind.
<erikh> heh
<erikh> eh, this happens once every 2 months or so
<erikh> I get confused for liquid awesome.
<yorickpeterse> liquid awesome? Sounds gross
<apeiros_> <insert barney stinson joke>
<erikh> wait until the money shot comes
<darix> apeiros_: legen .. wait for it ... dary
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<erikh> who is barney stinson
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<erikh> ah
<apeiros_> the guy with lots and lots of liquid awesome…
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<autarch> I'm writing a simple script as an example web client for my company's web services
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<autarch> I'm looking for some guidance on what the preferred http client and csv parsing libraries are
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<canton7> there's a CSV library built in. For simple http stuff, open-uri and net/http are fine. For more complex stuff (e.g. keeping cookies), RestClient seems popular
<autarch> yeah, this is very simple stuff, so net/http should be enough
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<canton7> top tip: open-uri is a wrapper around net/http (and some other things), and makes life a *lot* easier ;)
<autarch> ok, easier sounds good
<autarch> basically I want to write something reasonably idiomatic that gives ruby people an example they can build real code on
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<autarch> at some point we need to write actual client libraries, but that day is not today :(
<autarch> how about command line option parsing?
<erikh> optparse comes with ruby
<erikh> other people prefer thor, slop, and trollop
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<erikh> (optparse's class is called OptionParser)
<autarch> right, I just didn't see it in the docs (I even looked under "o")
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<autarch> what is the tool for pretty printing a data structure (for debugging as I go)?
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<autarch> oh, I can just print it directly - yay ruby
<nebbie> pretty print is nice
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<autarch> I was a bit confused with prettyprint's api
<autarch> and just calling "p hash" gives me what I need
<lianj> pp <stuff>
<nebbie> don't fix what's not broken I guess..
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<autarch> ah, require 'pp'
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<rue> Thor isn’t an option parser
<autarch> if I read the docs for optparse correctly, arguments default to being parsed as strings, but it seems like they're actually parsed as booleans
<erikh> it depends on how you provide the options
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<autarch> erikh: how I provide them via the CLI or how I specify them to the OptionParser object?
<autarch> I have this ... opts.on("-i", "--ip", String, "IP address to look up") do
<autarch> but then it seems to parse as a boolean
<autarch> or something else, I'm not really sure
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<rue> Don’t mix parsed as vs. parsed into :)
<autarch> derr, I don't even know what that means
<rue> That should be opts.on "-i", "--ip IPADDRESS", String, "IP address to look up"
<rue> I think
<rue> Otherwise it probably doesn’t understand it’s supposed to capture
<rue> Or something
<autarch> oh, so it parses the "--ip IPADDRESS" bit?
<erikh> rue: correct
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<autarch> wow, it does parse it
<autarch> this is a crazy API!
<erikh> yeah, that's why some people prefer others.
<autarch> I take a list of options, except some of them are magic strings, and some are regular strings, and some are classes names, and some are ...
<andrewhl> using rubyzip.sourceforge.net/classes/Zip/ZipFile.html, how might I loop through a zip file to find a file of a specific extension type (like .exe)?
<erikh> autarch: well, that's on you I believe
<erikh> although mixlib-cli can convert that stuff.
<erikh> (which is what I prefer these days)
<autarch> yeah, I was trying to stick with core libs if possible
<autarch> this is for an example script on our website, not for internal use
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<autarch> so I figured less deps is better all things being even
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<erikh> yeah, optparse is a fine library
<erikh> it just takes some adjustment
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<autarch> it's a little cute. I kind of hate cute
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<rue> Heh
<rue> It’s sensible enough…the base form is "-s", "--short", "Description"
<rue> Then if you want an argument, it’s "--yay ARGUMENTWHATEVERYOULIKEGOESHERE"
<rue> If it’s optional, "--moo [OPTIONAL]"
<rue> Etc. Just like you’d see in a usage listing
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<autarch> yeah, I get it now
<autarch> I just prefer explicit parameters rather than parsing strings
<autarch> some Perl modules do the same thing and it drives me insane
<erikh> I knew your nick sounded familiar
<autarch> is it possible to zip two arrays into a hash?
<erikh> Hash[*ary.zip(ary2)]
<yxhuvud> hmm. I wonder how many times I've seen that question answered now
<autarch> heh
<autarch> I realized as soon as I asked that "possible" was the wrong phrasing
<autarch> obviously it's possible
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<Mon_Ouie> yxhuvud: Personally, I saw it much less often than how to go from [:a, 1, :b, 2] to {:a => 1, :b => 2}
<autarch> except I think that * is misplaced
<autarch> Hash[fields.zip(response.body.parse_csv)] seems to do what I want
<yxhuvud> Mon_Ouie: I think I havn't seen that one actually
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* apeiros_ thinks Hash.from(keys, values) would warrant its own method
<apeiros_> it's used often enough
<yxhuvud> agreed, but it needs a better name than tat
<apeiros_> agreed :)
<apeiros_> Hash.zip(keys,values) ?
<yxhuvud> or map, perhaps.
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<yxhuvud> though I suppose Hash#map would confuse people.
<autarch> is Iconv the right way to decode latin-1 data to utf-8?
<apeiros_> autarch: for ruby 1.8, yes
<apeiros_> for ruby 1.9, no
<autarch> if I'm writing an example client script for our web service, is it reasonable to write it for 1.9 ?
<yxhuvud> autarch: yes, unless your existing system has a lot of 1.8
<autarch> and what's the blessed way to do it 1.9?
<autarch> yxhuvud: this isn't for our internal use, this is for our customers to use as a starting point
<autarch> so I don't care too much ;)
<autarch> I just want to know what ruby people care about
<mistym> Your Latin-1 text should be tagged with the Latin-1 encoding, in which case you can do str.encode("utf-8") to transform it into unicode.
<yxhuvud> 1.9 then. no reason to start something new in 1.8 unless you really have to.
<autarch> ok, calling str.encode seems to work well
<autarch> I'd love to get some feedback on how to make this as rubyish as possible
<autarch> doh, perlism at line 67
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<autarch> reload to see a fixed up version
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<diegoviola> i'm having encoding issues with 1.8, like ruby is trying to insert data to a postgres db, but postgres expects utf8 and ruby is tryign to insert something else, should i just switch to 1.9 or?
<diegoviola> *trying
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<erikh> diegoviola: ruby 1.8 uses byte strings
<erikh> you have to manage the encodings yourself.
<erikh> byte arrays*
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<diegoviola> where can i see more information about that?
<erikh> it's a lack of context, not an addition
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<autarch> so is my ruby code really so beautiful that it can't be improved (I kind of doubt it) - https://gist.github.com/3100286
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<Mon_Ouie> if ! omni[:error].nil? could just be if omni[:error]
<Mon_Ouie> and generally if !(…) would be unless …
<autarch> hmm, that part doesn't work at all (that if clause)
<autarch> but this works - if omni["error"]
<autarch> I totally don't understand the difference between those two
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<grandy> hello, i seem to be having great difficulty actually forcing a string to be utf8 and removing non utf8 chars
<grandy> i have googled and tried various approaches recommended
<grandy> anyone know an approach that can just let me be confident that the result only contains valid utf8?
<Mon_Ouie> Oh, that's because you're using the wrong key. Your key is a String, so you should use a String, not a Symbol (i.e. "error" instead of :error)
<Mon_Ouie> (Or alternatively you replace the strings of your fields array with symbols)
<grandy> suppose s is a string containing non utf8 chars, s !~ /\S/ raises, even after I try force_encoding and use undef replace and invalid replace...
<burgestrand> grandy: is your original string utf8 but has invalid characters?
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<grandy> burgestrand: no it's some other charset
<zrail> grandy: are you setting a replacement string?
<grandy> zrail: i have tried a few approaches, let me be sure I am
<Mon_Ouie> autarch: Symbols are interned strings (they're kind of like symbols in lisp for instance)
<burgestrand> grandy: if you encode to utf8 when the string already is marked as utf8 (yourstring.encoding), ruby will optimize it away and do *nothing*
<grandy> burgestrand: ahh interestingffff
<zrail> even with force_encoding?
<burgestrand> grandy: force_encoding does nothing more than setting the encoding on the string
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<burgestrand> you can think of it as an attr_writer if you like, there is nothing happening
<burgestrand> grandy: "any string".force_encoding("UTF-8").encoding # => UTF-8, but no translation happens here
<grandy> burgestrand: would valid_encoding? return false though if all you did was set the encoding on a non utf8 string?
<Mon_Ouie> It would indeed
<burgestrand> grandy: if the string is invalid in utf8 it would
<burgestrand> or, should, I’ve had invalid strings when it didn’t
<burgestrand> was some kind of strange edge case
<grandy> burgestrand: hmm, interesting...
<grandy> so is undef: replace, :replace: '' the right approach? (but before force encoding?)
<drbrain> grandy: actually, it depends on the contents. If it's from an ASCII-7bit compatible encoding and is ASCII-7bit-only, it will return true
<burgestrand> grandy: thing is, ruby must know the origin encoding in order to properly encode it to utf8
<burgestrand> if you already have an utf8 string that is invalid, there is no good way in ruby to just replace invalid characters
<drbrain> grandy: and probably invalid: replace
<grandy> burgestrand: ahh ok that is probably where thigns are getting out of whack then..
<burgestrand> however, if you have a non-utf8 string that has characters that cannot be converted to utf8, that you can do
<burgestrand> (or vice-versa)
<burgestrand> but it does kind of force you to know the encoding of the string *before* conversion
<grandy> burgestrand: ahh ok, there isn't a way to just tell it "make an educated guess what the encoding is and convert as much of it as possible to utf8 and remove the rest"
<burgestrand> the thing with strings that most programmers simply ignore is that they are really just random bytes unless you know their encoding
<burgestrand> grandy: not as far as I know, no, there are gems to guess encoding of strings that might help with that
<grandy> burgestrand: i guess i know that in a theoretical sense but tend to get by on the coincidental similariteis of the encodings :)
<burgestrand> grandy: rchardet is one, but I’m not sure how well it works on 1.9, I recall apeiros_ was related to it somehow, maybe he tried porting it to 1.9?
<burgestrand> grandy: :)
<rue> autarch: Use unless rather than if !
<apeiros_> burgestrand: I was only ranting about it
<autarch> rue: I just changed it to ... if omni["error"]
<autarch> which I think makes the most sense
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<apeiros_> there's 3 versions of chardet, I don't remember which one was the 1.9 compatible
<grandy> burgestrand: one example i saw appeared to try several encodes in a row
<autarch> and unless ... else seems insane ;)
<apeiros_> and it was bad at guessing the right charset too. my variant was better. but I had/have a very specific env
<burgestrand> grandy: but I suppose you could try to guess the original encoding, then force_encode(guessed_encoding).encode("utf-8", options)
<burgestrand> grandy: I believe you might be able to force_encoding("utf-8").encode("utf-32le", options).encode("utf-8") or something like that
<rue> autarch: There’s no need for an else, since you’re #exiting
<autarch> oh good point
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<grandy> burgestrand: hmm interesting
<autarch> but like I said, a straightforward "if error" works
<burgestrand> apeiros_: guessing charsets is almost like russian roulette, but you get smilies instead of brain mush
<rue> autarch: But, yes, typically unless…else means you could structure the code differently.
<apeiros_> grandy, burgestrand: https://github.com/apeiros/tables/blob/master/lib/tables/detection.rb is what I came up with
<autarch> I love unless in Perl, but never with an else
<apeiros_> as said, specific to my use-case
<apeiros_> but it works very well for that
<grandy> apeiros_: interesting...
<burgestrand> apeiros_: looks like a fun evening
<grandy> haha
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<grandy> apeiros_: looks fairly similar to my use case
<burgestrand> Neat, didn’t know module_function worked the same as private, protected and public.
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<rue> As a toggle, you mean?
<rue> I didn’t
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<grandy> burgestrand: thanks much for the advice
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<rue> Or maybe I did, but forgot… I never liked it much.
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<burgestrand> grandy: :)
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<zenspider> anyone seeing lots of rejections from github?
<zenspider> I'm having it hang up on me a lot
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<rue> Nothing significant in pulls
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