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<richardjortega> anyone here use ruby CSV?
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<mistym> richardjortega: A few times, yeah.
<richardjortega> i'm kinda new to ruby so hopefully it's an easy question
<richardjortega> i have a rails app, my script is under app/lib/jobs/parser.rb
<richardjortega> when i use CSV.open("generic_filename.csv", "wb") everything works
<richardjortega> but the file goes to my app root directory
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<cantonic> hey guys. i wanted to write my first gui app. i thought using Shoes would be best, but I get errors on mac and don't really like the functionality. I have to write code, save it, then load it in shoes. That's very time-consuming. There are other frameworks out there for ruby, but i cannot decide on which to use
<cantonic> mistym: hi there btw :)
<mistym> cantonic: Hey!
<seanstickle> I have a great GUI toolkit that seems to work everywhere cross-platform and good performance.
<cantonic> seanstickle: which one is it?
<seanstickle> HTML + JS + Ruby
<cantonic> seanstickle: cross-platform is very important to me
<cantonic> lol
<seanstickle> Works great
<mistym> richardjortega: Sorry, missed that. Are you trying to save somewhere else?
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<cantonic> seanstickle: i get "ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'HTML + JS + Ruby' (>= 0) in any repository" :D :D
<seanstickle> I package it up, people install it, run it, the server runs on their local machine, and it fires up a browser
<cantonic> seanstickle: for web apps of course, but i need to write some small apps that need to be executables
<richardjortega> trying to store in "lib/jobs/exports/filename.csv" (which may not be a created file at the tim)
<seanstickle> cantonic: these are small executable apps
<seanstickle> cantonic: I write them in Sinatra, typically, and package them for different platforms
<cantonic> seanstickle: how do you package it up?
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<seanstickle> Debian debs for Linux, WISE (I think) for Windows, and the standard MacRuby packager for Mac.
<mistym> If you pass a relative path it'll save to wherever Dir.pwd is - not where the script file is. You should include the appropriate path components in the filename, e.g. CSV.open("lib/jobs/exports/filename.csv")
<cantonic> seanstickle: isn't it a workaround to write a sinatra/padrino/rails app and compile it together with the webserver etc?
<seanstickle> cantonic: webrick is pretty easy to package
<richardjortega> i'll try mistym
<seanstickle> cantonic: and it's not really a workaround, so much as it is a working app.
<cantonic> seanstickle: can the application do everything on the system like creating or changing local files?
<seanstickle> It's running ON the system. So yes.
<seanstickle> I am writing a little app to manage Vim plugins that uses this model.
<seanstickle> It works right nice.
<cantonic> seanstickle: thank you for the idea :)
<seanstickle> Sure thing
<seanstickle> Plus! You don't have to learn Obscure GUI Framework #14
<richardjortega> mistym thanks for the help that worked
<richardjortega> i was confused that it needed to be path to file and the directory needed to already exist
<cantonic> right. you can concentrate on working on your html skills instead
<cantonic> seanstickle: that's fantastic
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<cantonic> seanstickle: i am teaching two friends ruby. they are beginners. do you think it would confuse them learning sinatra PLUS rails?
<rking> Hehe
<seanstickle> cantonic: I might advise starting with just one
<seanstickle> cantonic: rather than both at the same time
<cantonic> seanstickle: then i should teach them rails i think
<seanstickle> cantonic: Sinatra has the benefit of being easy, and then Rails takes that to a more powerful place.
<seanstickle> But I can see the argument for the reverse as well.
<seanstickle> Coin flip I guess
<rking> Some of that kind of question depends on how internally motivated they are.
<cantonic> yeah. i just thought rails would fit better to them since they will have to deal a lot with redmine in future
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<rking> Most people should learn programming doing really rewarding stuff, I think.
<cantonic> and they started learning ruby because of rails :)
<seanstickle> cantonic: Redmine is Rails 2 I think, right?
<seanstickle> Which makes it the worst of both worlds.
<seanstickle> Not current Rails, not Sinatra.
<rking> seanstickle: Uhh, no. Redmine has depended on Rails 3 for several versions.
<rking> (Though, I don't know if they fully use the 3'ish idioms or not)
<seanstickle> rking: ah, good
<seanstickle> rking: the place I was working was using some shite old version then
<cantonic> seanstickle: yeah, they just brought out a new version
<cantonic> i didn't work with redmine for long when it was Rails 2 only
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<mistym> richardjortega: No problem!
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<calm> Can anyone help me with the problem here
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<lianj> calm: b.any?{|p| p.comm.include?("python") }
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<calm> Well I managedd to solve it using some other way
<calm> let me evaluate your way however since it seems superior
<calm> here is what I did
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<lianj> calm: are you new to ruby? why would you do (p.comm.include?"php5-cgi").is_a?(FalseClass) instead of p.comm.include?("php5-cgi") == false
<calm> I am very new
<calm> by roughly like 2 hours
<lianj> ^^
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<calm> Awesome! Thanks
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<cha1tanya> hi is there provision for dot product of matrix in standard library?
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<tcopp> cha1tanya: I believe the gsl library has an inner product, but not the standard library.
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<wmoxam> cha1tanya: I think this is what you want: Matrix[[2,4]] * Matrix[[2,4]].transpose # Matrix[[20]]
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<cha1tanya> tcopp, thanks
<cha1tanya> wmoxam, i need to calculate co-variance matrix
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<cha1tanya> tcopp, i found a gem http://ruby-statsample.rubyforge.org/statsample/
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<cha1tanya> i think it will work as i have to do some analysis using covariance matrix
<tcopp> cha1tanya: ah yes. statsample is suited and easy to use.
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<cha1tanya> :)
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<calm> if Sys::ProcTable.ps.any?{|i| i.comm.include?(what) }
<calm> what does the |i| do
<calm> does it iterate over all "i"
<calm> ?
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<drbrain> calm: no
<drbrain> calm: it may iterate over between 1 and all of i
<drbrain> any? fails fast
<matled> drbrain: if fail means "returns false" then it succeeds fast and fails slow :)
<drbrain> matled: yes :D
<erikh> I think you have that backwards.
<erikh> meh.
<erikh> scotchy scotch scotch.
<calm> Wait, so what does |i| do?
<erikh> the i is replaced for each run of the block
<drbrain> calm: it's the block argument
<erikh> and ps provides a list for i to iterate over
<erikh> it's basically the iterator pattern if you've used C++ or Java.
<drbrain> calm: each entry in Sys::ProcTable.ps is yielded to the block as i
<erikh> just a little more terse.
<savage-> erikh / drbrain: do you guys have any favorites for when you want to graph data? gnuplot, R, some JS package?
<drbrain> naquad: I like R for Serious Business
<erikh> graphite.
<drbrain> I use Numbers otherwise
<erikh> it's pretty much the standard for ops people that like pretty metric graphs
<erikh> python, but it has a protocol you can talk to.
<erikh> alternatively, rrdtool is pretty swell but has a steep learning curve.
<erikh> ISTR ruby APIs for it.
<banisterfiend> drbrain: out of itnerest, what does R have over tools like octave ?
<savage-> thanks guys, i've been reading this book (http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920022626.do) that uses R.
<drbrain> banisterfiend: no idea, I'd never heard of octave before
<banisterfiend> drbrain: it's an opensource matlab clone
<banisterfiend> i did a machine learning course using it, he decided it was better than R for whatever reason
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<banisterfiend> (better for machine learning, anyway*)
<drbrain> that may be
<savage-> drbrain: do you prefer Numbers over the mac Excel version?
<drbrain> I haven't used R a lot, but it's definitely very powerful
<drbrain> savage-: if I had to work at a place that was brain-damaged enough to have applications in spreadsheets I'd probably use Excel
<drbrain> Numbers isn't great at such things
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<savage-> ah I see.
<drbrain> I use Numbers for basic stuff so it's fine
<savage-> like quick histograms and stuff?
<drbrain> yeah
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<pajamapajama> .last method for range has design flaw
<pajamapajama> (0...5).last => 5
<oddmunds> interesting
<cbetta> how is that wrong?
<Muz> This came up on Friday too. Is there a bug filed for it yet? ¬_¬
<apeiros_> (0...5).last(1) #=> [4]
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<Muz> cbetta: A range defined with "..." as opposed to ".." excludes the end value.
<cbetta> (0..5).to_a => [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
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<cbetta> (0...5).to_a => [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]
<cbetta> ahh
<cbetta> sorry
<cbetta> got it now
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<pajamapajama> yep i proceeded with filing bug but they rejected saying it is by design
<apeiros_> pajamapajama: it is problematic
<pajamapajama> we already have (0...5).end => 5
<oddmunds> pajamapajama: did they give a rationale?
<apeiros_> (0...5).include?(4.999) #=> true
<apeiros_> so what is (0...5).last?
<cbetta> yeah, good point there apeiros_
<pajamapajama> not exactly but .last returning last element of Range would be more appropriate
<oddmunds> yeah, that's what i would think too.
<oddmunds> but i guess this might follow some ancient convention or something
<cbetta> from what I understand from apeiros_'s example, current implementation seems right
<apeiros_> personally I'd probably have gone for (0...5).last # => 4, but (0...5).end # => 5
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<apeiros_> i.e., define .last in terms of its iteration
<pajamapajama> yep that is what I am aiming at
<cbetta> apeiros_ the real issue is that .to_a treats it as an array of integers, where in reality a range is a range of real numbers
<pajamapajama> how to go about raising design issues in Ruby?
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<Muz> Mailing list?
<apeiros_> cbetta: that's not really an issue. that's how it is defined.
<pajamapajama> http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6730 was raised by me
<apeiros_> the discrete value of a range is defined by Range#begin's #next
<cbetta> apeiros_ i didnt mean issue, I meant "thing to understand". Once you understand why, the .last makes sense
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<banisterfiend> x0F: wer u been
<x0F> banisterfiend: hi, yeah sorry. been busy the last months
<banisterfiend> x0F: hows life
<x0F> banisterfiend: didn't catch you last time, you highlighted me.
<banisterfiend> x0F: Yeah.
<x0F> post-operation wisdom-teeth pain ;)
<banisterfiend> x0F: join my channel :P
<x0F> heh, in a metaphorical sense or #pry? ;)
<banisterfiend> x0F: #pry
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<mfn> hi
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* prathamesh` is away: सध्या व्यस्त आहे
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<rue> Interesting, someone actually updated the docs
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<mfn> rue: where?
<banisterfiend> mfn: there
<rue> mfn: The Range#last docs
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<mfn> thx
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<andrewvos> MacTex is quite huge.
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<erikh> twss
<andrewvos> Also, it's going to take 2 days to download. The fuck? Does anyone really use MacTex?
<andrewvos> This is "promising" http://pages.uoregon.edu/koch/BasicTeX.dmg
<erikh> check the app store yet?
<andrewvos> erikh: Nope
<erikh> WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD, NANCY BOY
<andrewvos> There's nothing free there.
<andrewvos> Don't see why this shit is so popular.
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* mikkelb is now playing: http://soundcloud.com/niceguyxvinny/birds-thebees (off my new label)
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<andrewvos> Basically the same as tumbleweeds ^
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<zenspider> andrewvos: you mean the GIGABYTE download? fuck no.
<zenspider> I've tried numerous times to try to get into tex... and I always punt at that stage
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<zenspider> zenweb 3.0.0.b4 released
<whitequark> $ aptitude install latex
<whitequark> I don't understand your problems.
<whitequark> texlive-latex-base downloads circa 40mb, -extra adds another 10mb.
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<jtoy> is there a way from inside of a proc for a var to be declared inside of it and the next time the proc is called to use that variable instead or reinitializing it?
<jtoy> … that variable instead of reinitializing it?
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<jtoy> anyone?
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<cbetta> jtoy any reason why you can't set the var outside of the proc?
<drbrain> a = nil; b = proc { a ||= "initialized"; use a }; b.call
<jtoy> cbetta: i didn't want to , but I will try to rewrite it so i can, the issue is I have the proc being called from inside a thread, so i want each proc/thread combo to have their own vars, the thread has no idea what is inside the proc though
<cbetta> jtoy maybe an idea to use a seperate class to do whatever you want to do int he thread, then have a singleton instance of that class per thread?
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* cbetta might be overengineerign this
<jtoy> i might have ….. but otherwise i have a lot of duplicate code
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<masterkorp> hello
<masterkorp> [ profile_pictures_path, attachament_path, smileys_dir avatars_dir ].each do |dir|
<masterkorp> is this a absolute nonsense ?
<jtoy> hmm, it doesn't work as I expect anyway, i though t this should work:
<masterkorp> *an
<jtoy> a= Proc.new{ puts c} ; Thread.new { c= 'hi'; puts a}
<cbetta> masterkorp don't think so, assuming those vars are set
<cbetta> jtoy im not a thread expert so no idea there
<jtoy> a= Proc.new{ puts c} ; Thread.new { c= 'hi'; a.call}
<drbrain> jtoy: sounds dangerous sharing a local variable across threads like that
<jtoy> drbrain: I just want it local to thread, how do I do this?
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<masterkorp> cbetta: yeah
<masterkorp> well i will TIAS
<drbrain> jtoy: create the proc inside the thread
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<cbetta> so whats the problem masterkorp ?
<masterkorp> Just asking if the syntax is fine, can cause any future or is "unethical" on some sort
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<zenspider> unethical?
<zenspider> what are you doing inside the block?
<zenspider> genocide(dir)
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<zenspider> Dir[dir + "**/*"].each do |path| add_cock_and_balls path; end
<masterkorp> zenspider: its a chef recipe
<zenspider> so?
<masterkorp> but i will just change onwershipt
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<drbrain> masterkorp: it's fine
<zenspider> NOT FINE! UNETHICAL!
<drbrain> masterkorp: … often I put each entry on a separate line so I can see what changed in diff when I'm digging through history
<zenspider> that's because your diff sucks
<masterkorp> drbrain: thanks
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<masterkorp> see what those type of tips i was looking for
<jtoy> drbrain: this is how I structured by threads code: so then I have a bunch of different jobs that I run by doing App.run! {#code} and that is why I can't initialize some local thread variables properly, how would you do it? (please ignore my other bad code)
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<zenspider> jtoy: so... we should ignore that you're initalizing @@threads each time you call run! ?
<jtoy> or anyone who wants to give suggestions :)
<jtoy> zenspider: yeah, run is called once per vm, i have a bunch of different scripts that use App.run! by themselves
<zenspider> I officially don't understand the problem
<drbrain> jtoy: while this is a good start, I think you should make each job a subclass of the thing providing threads
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<drbrain> … or something like that
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<jtoy> drbrain: ok, i think i see how that would work, so class Job < Subclass ; def initialize; #init_vars_here;end def run!(opts); #code here that gets called over and over in job?;end; end
<drbrain> yes, something like that
<jtoy> drbrain: then in the thread call new on the job, and in the while loop call run
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<jtoy> zenspider: i think you missed the conversation from earlier
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