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<scientes> any straight forward way to package the installed gems from a system into rvm on my system?
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<Mon_Ouie> rvm gemset copy system [ruby-version-you-want-to-install-them-for] IIRC
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<banisterfiend> Mon_Ouie: can u think of some c exts
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<MichaelMalachi> whats the best way to generate a binary string of unprintable characters to test something?
<MichaelMalachi> it doesn't have to be actual data
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<MichaelMalachi> guess i can just read a binary file
<bnagy> only unprintables is hard
<MichaelMalachi> doesn't need to be completely unprintable
<bnagy> but if you just generate a log of rand(256).chr you'll get some
<MichaelMalachi> just some binary spew
<bnagy> Array.new(10).map {|e| rand(256).chr}.join
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<MichaelMalachi> bnagy: thnx
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<banisterfiend> burgestrand: sup burg, whta's the name of your gems with c exts?
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<erikh> banisterfiend: I have a couple if you can use them
<burgestrand> banisterfiend: hallon-openal, hallon-coreaudio, Hallon used to have but not anymore (ruby FFI), LMFAO :p
<burgestrand> (LMFAO is some proof-of-concept C ext)
<banisterfiend> erikh: cool
<erikh> let me check out the githubs
<burgestrand> Oh, it’s not LMFAO on GitHub
<burgestrand> banisterfiend: https://github.com/Burgestrand/rubyapi as well
<burgestrand> banisterfiend: ah, yes, this is LMFAO: https://github.com/Burgestrand/Library-of-Massive-Fun-And-Overjoy
<burgestrand> but that’s all of them
<erikh> unixinfo, talkfilters
<erikh> they're both really small.
<erikh> off of github.com/erikh
<banisterfiend> thx
<banisterfiend> erikh: are they gems?
<erikh> yessir
<erikh> github and rubygems.org for both of them should be synched
<erikh> I haven't worked on them in a while now
<erikh> talkfilters you'll need a separate library for
<erikh> let me see if homebrew has it
<erikh> nyet
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<erikh> it's pretty awesome.
<erikh> I ran the entire works of shakespeare through it for a bot
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<banisterfiend> burgestrand: rubyapi uses FFI?
<burgestrand> banisterfiend: FFI and a little C
<bnagy> erikh: does it do iambic pentameter?
<erikh> heh
<erikh> it doooooes da sveeedish cheeef though. bork.
<erikh> it also does jive.
<bnagy> ... is this the stuff that is like 20+ years old?
<erikh> yes, it's the /usr/games collection wrapped up into a linkable library
<bnagy> ha.
<erikh> I just wrote a ruby wrapper for it to use in a bit
<erikh> bot
<erikh> it's got 20, 25 filters in there. good stuff.
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<banisterfiend> erikh: damn i cant get the C code for any of your libs for some weird reason
<banisterfiend> erikh: it could be because you hvae your init_blah() func at the start of your file, not sure how yard does it..
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<erikh> I don't have any documentation in them I don't think.
<erikh> is that the problem? what are you trying to do exactly?
<erikh> also STEALTH CODE
<banisterfiend> erikh: trying to extract the c code form it, yard can extract code as well as docs
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<erikh> ah
<erikh> for pry?
<erikh> I *think* rdoc can do this too
<erikh> I know it extracts the ruby stuff at least.
<banisterfiend> yeah
<banisterfiend> erikh: so tht show-method works on 3rd party c extensions
<erikh> I don't know what yard's parser is like but rdoc's is double-plus-good
<erikh> (well, I like it at least)
<erikh> nice
<erikh> how are you going to source the file though? that is, find the location to extract from?
<banisterfiend> erikh: we use secret tricks
<erikh> ok, heh
<banisterfiend> erikh: nah, we have a few techniques
<banisterfiend> erikh: the first one is to see if there are any sibling methods that are pure ruby
<erikh> then walk the requires?
<banisterfiend> erikh: if there are pure ruby siblings then we can find the root of the gem, and then locate ext/ and parse *.c
<erikh> nice.
<erikh> WELL DONE GOOD SIR
<banisterfiend> no, we just find the gem directory, and go to ex/ and then parse *.c there
<banisterfiend> that's our primary method
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<banisterfiend> if that fails
<banisterfiend> i.e there's no sibling ruby methods
<erikh> hrm
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<banisterfiend> then we find the enclosing toplevel module/class, so if u were looking at: Debugger::Bing::Blah#hi
<banisterfiend> it'll cut that back till it gets just Debugger
<erikh> couldn't you walk $LOADED_FEATURES and look for the dynamic extension?
<banisterfiend> then it guesse what the related gem name would be using a few strategies
<erikh> slow, but it's a repl, it doesn't have to be fast.
<banisterfiend> so if it was MyDebugger, it'll first try mydebugger, and failing that i'll try my_debugger, and failing that i'll try my-debugger
<banisterfiend> etc
<erikh> I see
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<banisterfiend> erikh: what do u mean $LOADED_FEATURES, we use $LOAD_PATH for the backup technique
<banisterfiend> it's a lot cleaner/faster that $LOADED_FEATURES and has the same information we're interested in afaict
<erikh> loaded features is the requires proper
<erikh> I mean, trying to locate whether x is a C ext or not
<erikh> look for .dylib/.so/.dll etc
<banisterfiend> oh we know it's a C ext cos the source_locaiton returns nil
<erikh> ahhhhh
<banisterfiend> at least that's the assumption we have
<erikh> neat.
<banisterfiend> so far it works on a lot of c extensions, but there's a few that slip through the crack that i dont quite understand yet
<erikh> best of luck!
<erikh> I hope my code helps
<banisterfiend> thx, yeah your code is great
<banisterfiend> because it doesn't work with my stuff :P so it's useful
<erikh> hahaha
<banisterfiend> as there's likely a lot of gems like it
<erikh> just don't gawk at my crappy C
<ryanf> banisterfiend: doesn't jsminc not work either?
<banisterfiend> ryanf: yeah it doesnt
<banisterfiend> gotta figure it
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<banisterfiend> ryanf: but it just doesn't work with yard at all, so i'm not sure i can fix it, unless i patch yard
<ryanf> yeah
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<banisterfiend> ryanf: hey
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<zenspider> rawr!
<zenspider> 1 failure, 3 errors and I'm down to 32 lines of structural diff in my grammars! RAWR!!
<zenspider> I never have files non-checked-in this long
<cirwim> I love git's ability to make commits, and then change them
<scientes> cirwim, just don't change public commits
<cirwim> heav'n forbid!
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<bnagy> anyone know how to get ST2 to highlight interpolated code as code?
<bnagy> ie "this should be #{Highted.differently}"
<zenspider> I don't know what ST2 is
<bnagy> sublime text 2
<cirwim> bnagy: 'fraid not, though when I was trying ST2 the same issue bugged me
<bnagy> I am giving it 2 weeks with an open mind
<zenspider> ah. no. sorry. I use a real editor. :P
<cirwim> ST2 is a worthy competitor, I'll concede that much
<bnagy> it has some really nice stuff
<zenspider> like?
<bnagy> if the vim mode were better I would be sold for sure
<cirwim> multi-selections are cool
<bnagy> multiple selection
<cirwim> like macros but you don't have to prerecord
<cirwim> also python instead of vimscript
<bnagy> good plugin ecosystem
<zenspider> how do macros you don't have to prerecord work?
<cirwim> bnagy: there's a workaround for <Esc> getting stolen by the autocompleter dismissal
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<cirwim> zenspider: you just put your cursor everywhere you want to run the macro
<cirwim> and then type it out once
<bnagy> cirwim: it was mostly that setting marks etc didn't work as I expected
<cirwim> bnagy: I use marks much less than <esc> :)
<zenspider> cirwim: sooo... just like emacs?
<zenspider> maybe I could find a video of someone screencasting it
<bnagy> multi selection is awesome when you don't want to work out how to regex ".each {|(blarg,bloog)|"
<cirwim> zenspider: quite possibly
<cirwim> emacs is too complicated for me
<bnagy> there was a screencast thingy, but it wanted some java crap I didn't have, so I just read the manual (for multi selection)
<zenspider> hah
<zenspider> (on both counts)
<bnagy> the sidebar > nerdtree
<zenspider> emacs too complicated? hah... how so?
<cirwim> yeah; they have a lot of the best plugins builtin
<cirwim> zenspider: I dunno, when I was learning text editors it was intimidating and scary; so I fell in love with vim. Now of course there's no possible way I can change my mind
<cirwim> shame how it works like that
<bnagy> I only have 2 fingers on my left hand, so I can't use emacs
<banisterfiend> bnagy: srsly?
<bnagy> no, not seriously
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<zenspider> cirwim: so why try ST2 now?
<zenspider> also... anyone here use(d) redmine?
<cirwim> zenspider: because the window manager on mac osx is fail for my vim workflow
<zenspider> cirwim: how so?
<cirwim> it has like O(n) window switching...
<cirwim> and n for me is normally ~20
<cirwim> so I figured I'd give ST2 a try
<cirwim> as it already has the one window for many files thing cracked
<banisterfiend> w/ emacs u only need 1 window
<banisterfiend> :D
<cirwim> same with vim
<cirwim> just not the way I usually use it :p
<cirwim> but now I am back to a vim
<cirwim> well, two or three vims, using iterm as the tiling window manager
<zenspider> eh. not the same with vim. like vim isn't designed to have long standing processes running within it. emacs is. it fits much better in that way
<cirwim> yeah
<cirwim> I love hopping in and out
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<zenspider> still not sure what you mean by O(n) window switching tho. I watch tenderlove and drbrain use vim all the time and they've got pretty good workflow...
<zenspider> well... drbrain does.
<cirwim> zenspider: vim is fine
<zenspider> tenderlove is a bit of a mess, honestly.
<cirwim> under linux i tend to run 20 terminals
<cirwim> of which ten or so have vim in
<cirwim> if you do that on Mac osx
<cirwim> you can never ever find the right terminal
<cirwim> so I just need to change the way I work
<zenspider> so... you're more like tenderlove in that respect :P
<bnagy> why can't you a) use tabs like a human being
<bnagy> or b) use screen? :)
<cirwim> bnagy: I could
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<cirwim> changing habits is booring
<cirwim> I want to be the same forever!
<bnagy> :)
<zenspider> what do you have set up differently in linux that makes finding the right terminal more easy?
<bnagy> maybe you could try OSX desktops, with vims?
<cirwim> zenspider: Xmonad
<bnagy> it's a keybd shortcut to switch to desktop N
<cirwim> bnagy: the window animation
<cirwim> sooo slloooooow
<cirwim> I've forgotten what I was trying to find by the time I get there
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<zenspider> xmonad is tiling I assume?
<cirwim> yes
<cirwim> and it allows you to put a desktop on a screen
<bnagy> buy one of the new fangled macs with the "intel processor" ?
<cirwim> on mac it's one desktop visible all the time
<cirwim> so you can't mix and match desktops
<cirwim> bnagy: I think it's a feature?
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<zenspider> mix and match desktops?
<cirwim> one desktop is the size of one screen
<bnagy> I gotta admit I would like to be able to have different desktops on main screen vs external monitor
<cirwim> so I can see desktop 1 and 2 at the same time
<cirwim> or 1 and 3 at the same time
<bnagy> but you can pin stuff I think, I just never do
<cirwim> on a mac, a desktop is the size of all your screens
<zenspider> ah. I see. gotcha
<cirwim> bnagy: yeah, the full-screen mode really breaks with more than one screen
<bnagy> don't use it
<bnagy> freaks me out
<cirwim> but for now, I'm mostly happy with everything on one desktop
<cirwim> and rage-killing all my apps when I can't find the right one
<bnagy> oh, wow, no I would go mad
<bnagy> I use 7
<cirwim> yeah, I think I should use more
<cirwim> I could put email over there
<zenspider> I could have sworn I had something to speed up those animations.
<bnagy> I got browser / chatty shit / gitX / vim / terminals / itunes :) / vmware
<bnagy> and totalterminal for dropdown terminal - mutt, irb etc in tabs
* cirwim has an iterm and an adium at the top, and a browser at the bottom
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<bnagy> other cool ST2 thing - I never used a linter before
<bnagy> I guess there's probably one for vim, but vim plugins are really a pita to set up and manage
<cirwim> bnagy: I use syntastic; but I had to modify it a lot to make it work
<cirwim> it's useful because it tells you about missing 'end's as fast as possible
<bnagy> yeah st2 just pipes it through ruby -wc afaik
<cirwim> yeha, I think syntastic is the same
<zenspider> emacs has flyspell programming mode for that
<cirwim> I mostly had to hack around it for javascript now I think about it
<zenspider> I don't really like it, it's distracting
<bnagy> my python friend says the pep8 linter for python is an annoying chatty bitch, but I am getting along well with -wc
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<zenspider> defaults write com.apple.dock expose-animation-duration -float 0.15;killall Dock
<zenspider> that'll only speed up mission control
<cirwim> cool, I didn't know that kind of thing was possible
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<zenspider> I need to add that to my osx setup script
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<zenspider> http://osxdaily.com/tag/mission-control/ some good stuff in here
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<erikh> I use one monitor, I get distracted easily.
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<rue> zenspider: Seen Change Space.app? If you like the old grids better
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<rue> There are no significant issues with Xcode 4.3 anymore, are there?
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<banisterfiend> rue: are you doing some cocoa dev, eero?
<rue> No, brew’s just complaining because I’ve 4.1 still
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<KINGSABRI> Hi All
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<KINGSABRI> Is there away to secure connection between Server/Client but by public/private keys ? (not ssl)
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<Tasser> KINGSABRI, why not ssl?
<KINGSABRI> Tasser, need alsot of configuration and settings :(
<apeiros_> if ssl is too much config & setting, then you probably won't like the alternatives either.
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<Tasser> KINGSABRI, my first reaction - bit.ly/MnoMDT
<KINGSABRI> Taranis, lol ,, then advice
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<Tasser> KINGSABRI, security is almost always more work
<Tasser> and ssl is one of the few technologies with official certificats (although broken)
<apeiros_> secwhat? whaturity? whatwhat?
<andrewvos> whaturity
<Tasser> maturity?
<andrewvos> oooh, touchy.
<KINGSABRI> :)
* apeiros_ is kinda disappointed that you can't hook ruby methods into oracle as functions :(
<apeiros_> (you can do that with at least sqlite… gotta check whether it can be done with pg)
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<bnagy> ssh?
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<Tasser> apeiros_, write your own wrapper ;-)
<apeiros_> you want me to commit suicide?
<Tasser> apeiros_, not until you've written your testament which says I get everything
<darix> apeiros_: you can use ruby within pgsql but only in unsafe mode if i recall correctly
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<apeiros_> darix: I don't want to use ruby within pgsql
<apeiros_> I want to register my method written in ruby
<apeiros_> i.e., oracle doesn't need to run ruby
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<apeiros_> at least that's how it works with sqlite. you simply interface with it.
<apeiros_> oh, pgsql, well, still what I said, just s/oracle/postgres/ ;-)
<znowi> apeiros_: how does one hook ruby methods to sqlite?
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<apeiros_> since afaik both oracle and pg let you define functions in C, you could theoretically interface with ruby
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<lzhz> looks dead, though.
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<znowi> apeiros_: nice feature. it's like writing stored procedures in ruby.
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<rolfb> tips on nice vim plugins for ruby besides vim-ruby
<rolfb> ?
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<outsmartin> rolfb: our vim files at work https://github.com/pludoni/vimfiles
<workmad3> rolfb: syntastic, endwise, bundler...
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<rolfb> outsmartin, workmad3: cool, I have https://github.com/rolfb/.dotfiles/tree/master/vim/bundle
<rolfb> i'm very interested in more motions
<rolfb> like having the cursor anywhere in a method definition or lambda and jump to the argument list
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<Zhakhji> Hi everyone. I'm trying to get the concept of symbol in Ruby and everytime I read a page about them, it seems to contradict the previous page I read... Do you have any link that really shows what symbol are and how I can use them ? Come on, I just found this page for instance : "A Ruby symbol is a thing that has both a number (integer) representation and a string representation." Am I supposed to get what a symbol is through this
<ddfreyne> Zhakhji: that is a bad description... it is neither a number, nor a string
<ddfreyne> Zhakhji: Think of it as an identification tag
<apeiros_> ddfreyne: um, actually that description is spot-on
<ddfreyne> apeiros_: from a technical point of view maybe, but that is not how I think of it, and it's not how I would explain it to a newbie
<apeiros_> the string is only for us puny humans
<ddfreyne> yes
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<apeiros_> ddfreyne: "that's not how I'd explain it to a newbie" is fundamentally different from "it is incorrect"…
<Zhakhji> ddfreyne: I come from C language, and from what I read, it seems like to be a reference thing to me
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<ddfreyne> apeiros_: ok, my comment was bad :)
<apeiros_> Zhakhji: thinking of it as an identifier as ddfreyne says is the right thing. internally it's just a number with a string associated. being a number makes it very fast for comparisons and as hash keys.
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<ddfreyne> Zhakhji: it's not a reference ilke a pointer
<apeiros_> other properties are that it is immutable, never garbage collected
<darix> so dont create too many
<ddfreyne> Zhakhji: it is used a lot as hash keys
<apeiros_> and yet another property is that a literal symbol with the same "name" always refers the same object
<ddfreyne> me = { :name => 'Denis', :parent => somebodyelse }
<apeiros_> i.e., "foo".object_id != "foo".object_id
<apeiros_> but: :foo.object_id == :foo.object_id
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<Zhakhji> But if I assign different objects to the same symbol and in different contexts (like I say @var = :sym in a class, then foo = :sym in a method and bar = :sym in another module definition), then @var, foo and bar will all have the same object_id, right ?
<apeiros_> you can't assign to a symbol
<apeiros_> a symbol is *not* a variable
<apeiros_> a symbol is an object
<ddfreyne> Zhakhji: that is because @var, foo and bar are all references to an object... they don't contain the object themselves
<apeiros_> you can only assign values to variables in ruby. variables are lvars, @ivars, @@cvars, $globals and Constants
<ddfreyne> Zhakhji: you could say that in Ruby, variables only contain references
<Zhakhji> ddfreyne: That was my point when I was talking about C and references. It seems very close
<ddfreyne> as in, pointers
<ddfreyne> everything is implicitly by-reference
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<Zhakhji> OK :)
<Zhakhji> Seems more clear now (clearer ? :x)
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<sepp2k> That has nothing to do with symbols specifically though.
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<apeiros_> Zhakhji: maybe important: you always only pass objects, not variables. that is: foo(bar) passes the object referenced by bar to the method foo. that's important because it means you can't change the object bar references from within foo
<apeiros_> (you can however mutate the object that is passed, assuming it is mutable - but that's bad style)
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<Zhakhji> Great great, I learn more things each day about this language
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<jMCg> Hello happy people o/~
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<anildigital> hi.. i am trying to append write a string in yaml file
<anildigital> but this is result
<anildigital> password: ! '"<%= U2FsdGVkX1/2mVDDjAPyCguGarrVHBBIh/vVy3VyE1g=
<anildigital> ".decode_db_pwd %>"'
<anildigital> extra single quotes are added
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<anildigital> how do I make sure that no extra single quotes added for password value in yaml file
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<anildigital> does rails erb parse templates in single quotes?
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<anildigital> s/templates/scriptlets
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<zzak> Good afternoon!
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<erikh> anildigital: it parses anything between <% %>
<erikh> and obvious similar tags.
<anildigital> erikh: yep it works
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<drbrain> corundum: seen seydar
<corundum> seydar was last seen 86 days, 22 hours, 27 minutes and 33 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Quit: leaving)
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<diskonek> hi
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<cout> why is it that every reporting framework I play with feels like it was built in the 80's?
<cirwin> because that's when the term 'reporting framework
<cirwin> was invented
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<cout> in one year, I'm sure I could build something better than what's out there
<cout> but I don't want to spend a year, and I'm sure that's what everyone else says too
<cout> otherwise it would already be done
<cirwin> the problem is that a reporting framework is pretty ill-defined I guess
<cirwin> what should it do? show reports!
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<shevy> any chance that the voice requirement here could be dropped again? :(
<cirwin> what's the voice requirement?
<mistym> I missed when the voice requirement was added.
<yorickpeterse> There's no voice requirement as far as I'm aware of
<yorickpeterse> channel is just +nt
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<shevy> <shevy> test
<shevy> * #ruby-lang :Cannot send to channel
<cirwin> oh, do you have to be registered?
<shevy> one has to register before being able to talk on #ruby-lang. this was not the case ~1 year ago if I remember correctly
<shevy> and a side-effect is that one gets the message "can not change nick while being banned on channel #ruby-lang", which is a bit misleading anyway since I am not banned, just dont auto-register
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<drbrain> yeah, you have to register now
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<mistym> shevy: Yeah, I found that error really confusing the first time I saw that.
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<rue> cout: Which one is the least bad?
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<cout> rue: pentaho is ok, but the version with the features we want costs $45K
<rue> …Ew
<cout> and even that took me 2 days to figure out how to install and configure
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<drbrain> is there an equivalent to ministat for OS X (or a gem): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ministat
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<drbrain> sure, my benchmarks show a slight improvement, but I want to know it's statistically significant without doing the math by hand
<cout> rue: i-net Clear Reports looks like the best of the bunch so far, but I haven't yet figured out how to get it to do some of the things we want it to do
<cout> but it actually has a real installer and I don't have to know some arcane syntax to configure the database
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<erikh> drbrain: I think Pistos has better-benchmark which might do what you want.
<erikh> it calculates p-values of benchmarks and all that funny math I don't understand
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<drbrain> erikh: I chose to copy ministat.c out of FreeBSD and delete the __FBSDID() from it
<drbrain> instant gratification
<erikh> fwiw, I'll be doing a straight TCPSocket test
<erikh> for that load test.. if I still get the stack trace I'll mail it to you.
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<drbrain> cool
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<erikh> my gut tells me this is a pthread problem
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<erikh> drbrain: hit it on 1.9.2 with TCPSOcket
<drbrain> OoOoOo
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<erikh> getting you a ST now
<dontbecold_> If a server is sending me UTF-8, how am I supposed to read it without UTF-8 chars being converted into \x bytes?
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<drbrain> erikh: here's ministat being awesome: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6615#note-10
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<erikh> neato
<erikh> so, I still can't manage to redirect this stack trace
<erikh> and the memory dump is super long
<drbrain> erikh: what about script ?
<erikh> oh! great idea.
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<erikh> yeah that got it. where do you want me to send this to?
<erikh> btw, it seems to exhibit on a 1024 barrier
<drbrain> if it's not secret, gist will do
<erikh> so probably a FD_SETSIZE thing.
<erikh> nah, nothing secret
<erikh> is the script
<erikh> I think I'm hitting a FD barrier.
<erikh> oh, already said that
<drbrain> can you make an issue and include ruby -v and these two scripts?
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<erikh> yeah, but later; I need to be working
<erikh> I will do it when I get home tonight
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<drbrain> np
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<drbrain> erikh: also, what is your ulimit -n?
<erikh> 30000
<erikh> checked that already
<erikh> arguably ruby shouldn't crash though
<drbrain> oh, and with default memcached, and setting Thread.abort_on_exception = true, I get ECONNREFUSED after 500 threads on OS X
<drbrain> absolutely
<drbrain> it certainly seems to be an FD_SETSIZE thing
<erikh> yeah, I saw that with dalli on OS X
<erikh> this is linux though, ubuntu 12.04
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<erikh> fwiw the server I was testing against should theoretically be limited to 65k connections
<erikh> that's what we were load testing. and the script at 1000 connections seems to fit the bill there
<erikh> so it's not related to refused connections best I can tell.
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