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<rue>
Wow, everyone die somewhere along the way?
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<matti>
rue: Not everyone ;]
<apeiros_>
I only died a little
<Tasser>
apeiros_, now you're zombified?
<rue>
Tasser: apeiros_ had to go on #ror
<apeiros_>
rue: correct :)
<Tasser>
oh, now his code consists of metaprogramming and method-missing?
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
Tasser banister showed me something which I still did not understand yet
<shevy>
dynamically generated methods, somehow point to them, remove those methods, but still keep those pointers
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<Tasser>
shevy, sounds easy
<apeiros_>
rue, Tasser - just some rails craziness once again…
<shevy>
\o/
<shevy>
"ruby 3.0" will be called "rails reloaded"
<apeiros_>
building your own ActionDispatch::Request from the rack env and querying it for params obviously fucks up ActionDispatch::Request#format for everyone else…
<Tasser>
shevy, generate methods: use define_method. point to them: method(<method name>), remove_method to delete them, pointer from variable before
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<Tasser>
shevy, what other kind of magic is there?
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<shevy>
Tasser what do I do with these methods?
<Tasser>
call them
<Tasser>
or read the docu ;-)
<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
but ... aren't they gone??
<Tasser>
well, there's still the variable
<rue>
No
<shevy>
those things just confuse me a lot :(
<Tasser>
it's kind of a proc
<Tasser>
learn JS and you'll understand
<shevy>
waaaaa
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<pbjorklund>
when doing .sort on an enumerable and passing in a block like { |a,b| a.length <=> b.length } am I just passing in how the ruby sort algorithm should evaluate -1,0,1 when processing the collection?
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<whitequark>
pbjorklund: if I understand you correctly, yes
<whitequark>
Enumerable#sort generally expects a block to return the result of <=> or something similar
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<rue>
Correct
<rue>
The block must return 1, 0, -1. However you do that is up to you
<rue>
Usually it’s clearer to use #sort_by instead
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<pbjorklund>
The rubinius implementation of isort_block! does block_call(@tuple.at(j-1), @tuple.at(j)) , does the standard ruby implementation work the same more or less?
<pbjorklund>
Don't really know C so the ruby source only confused me more
<pbjorklund>
Thanks for helping me out whitequark and rue btw :)
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<rue>
I don’t remember if it does or not. I didn’t look at the MRI implementation when I wrote it
<rue>
Although I think it might have been redone since too
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<pbjorklund>
rue: relizing that you wrote the code im trying to understand sure can make you come down with a major case of inferiority complex.
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<apeiros_>
rue: actually <0, 0 >0 is sufficient
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<rue>
apeiros_: It’ll probably work, but I don’t think it can be guaranteed to
<apeiros_>
rue: sure. given that the docs state -1,0,1, I'd strongly advise to stick to that too :)
<rue>
pbjorklund: Heh, only way to learn! Besides, I think someone finally got my old qsort implementation replaced by a mergesort
<rue>
apeiros_: Yep
<apeiros_>
oh, mergesort is stable, no? so sort finally stable?
<apeiros_>
or you mean in rubinius?
<rue>
In rbx, yes
<apeiros_>
ah
<apeiros_>
bummer
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<andrewvos>
postmodern: Without having a backtrace at hand, have you ever heard of any issues installing nokogiri-diff on 1.8.7-p302?
<postmodern>
andrewvos, wow i have not
<postmodern>
andrewvos, i suspect it might have something to do with nokogiri
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<rue>
andrewvos: ETERRIBLEERRORREPORT
<andrewvos>
rue: I know I know
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<andrewvos>
postmodern: So nokogiri actually installs. Bundler just bitches about nokogiri-diff not working :/
<andrewvos>
And looking through your code, it's only ruby code so can't be a compiler issue or anything.
<andrewvos>
And it works in p302 locally.
<andrewvos>
I wish I could punch this build server right in the dick.
<andrewvos>
Fucking redhat
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<postmodern>
haha
<shevy>
lol
<postmodern>
yep redhat, that might be your problem
<dbrock>
how do I select which version of a gem to use? I have multiple versions of bundler installed and `bundler -v` shows the latest version; I'd like to switch to an older one
<andrewvos>
dbrock: gem uninstall all the old bundlers
<dbrock>
andrewvos: ah, I can't switch between the versions without uninstalling the ones I don't want to use?
<andrewvos>
I don't think so
<andrewvos>
dbrock: Bundler can do that, but not with itself
<andrewvos>
As far as I know
<dbrock>
andrewvos: ah, ok, thanks
<dbrock>
unrelated question: do people use `sudo gem install` on OS X these days?
<rue>
No
<dbrock>
or do you install into ~/.gems or do you change permissions on /Library/Ruby?
<andrewvos>
dbrock: rvm is generally used I think
<dbrock>
I try to avoid rvm (I use rbenv to manage multiple ruby versions), but ok so basically the answer is you simply don't use the system installation of Ruby?
<rue>
Right
<rue>
You can use ~/.gems if you don’t want to use rvm
<andrewvos>
I saw the system version of ruby kick a cat once.
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<naquad>
i need to develop an extremely fast tcp server processing text-based protocol, what can i use in ruby and what efficiency should i expect?
<dbrock>
rue, andrewvos: thanks!
<apeiros_>
naquad: extremely fast and you use ruby? :)
<apeiros_>
naquad: Kernel#select with non-blocking reads or EM
<naquad>
apeiros_, i want to do this fast and 2-3k r/s will statisfy me
<andrewvos>
Sounds like you're doing it wrong
<whitequark>
nope
<whitequark>
I have a web-server in Ruby built for a custom task
<whitequark>
and on 1 core of i7-2670QM it easily processes more than 8k r/s
<whitequark>
obviously it uses Mongrel parser (I use parts of Thin for the task)
<whitequark>
so, you'll probably need to implement the parser in C. Just look at how Thin is built, it has pretty small and easily understandable codebase
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<rue>
Or, you know, EM
<andrewvos>
Sounds like you're doing it wrong
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<rue>
ZMQ would be sweet if you had both ends
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<gnufied>
andrewvos trolling today?
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<whitequark>
rue: what? I use EM, obviously.
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<andrewvos>
gnufied: Never!
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<darix>
isnt mongrel2 zmq based?
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<whitequark>
darix: it is
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<oddmunds>
windows people, what shell do you use?
<oddmunds>
i'm using the mingw32-git-bash thing that came with git. but it's pretty awkward. i can't even resize it.
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<frem>
oddmunds: powershell. wrap it in console2 if you like tabs.
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<oddmunds>
thanks
<frem>
oddmunds: I also recommend trying git for windows. it sets up git-posh, which gives you all sorts of handy things when working with git repos from powershell.
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<oddmunds>
this power shell is entierly it's own thing it seems.
<oddmunds>
i get stacktraces when i enter non-existing commands
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* imperator2
just uses the regular ol' cmd shell
<imperator2>
well, ok, it's actually the vs command prompt, but basically the same thing
<oddmunds>
yeah, i've found a way to live more or less happily with windows by not having much ambition or hopes in tweaking it.
<imperator2>
i do have unxutils installed, though
<oddmunds>
letting it do things the windows way has made it sort of problem free.
<oddmunds>
but never use it for programming.
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<imperator2>
i switch between unix and windows a lot so being able to type "ls" on windows and having it Just Work is nice
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<oddmunds>
frem: powershell can't run bash or zsh or anything like that, right?
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<Tasser>
oddmunds, it got objects to pipe, though
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<oddmunds>
i'll start a working with C# in August, maybe I ought to let powershell do it'
<oddmunds>
s thing
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<mikkelb>
How do I exclude all the countries not listed in list_oic.txt, then sort them by the GDP PPP (descending), in the format: <country> <GDP PPP> <population>?
<khaase>
drbrain: are you using net-http-pipeline in production?
<drbrain>
khaase: I wrote it for fun, but it is being used at ATTi/YP
<khaase>
ok
<khaase>
I'll probably use it for travis
<khaase>
thanks a ton for writing it and helping me :)
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<drbrain>
khaase: np!
<khaase>
drbrain: in related news: github supports pipelining
<drbrain>
khaase: :D
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<drbrain>
khaase: you should measure for a speedup… HTTP/1.1 pipelining support is usually present simply through standard TCP behavior
<zzak>
vermont finally gets its own ruby conference
<khaase>
drbrain: yeah, we are measuring everything!
<drbrain>
not every server reads multiple requests and starts processing them
<drbrain>
zzak: awesome!
<khaase>
drbrain: ok, so, hmm... so it might be sane to instead truly fire the requests in parallel?
<zzak>
drbrain: y u no speak?
<zzak>
khaase either?
<khaase>
server on the other side is nginx btw
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<drbrain>
zzak: nobody suggested I should!
<drbrain>
khaase: too many factors to say
<khaase>
drbrain: we're measuring everything, so we'll see
<zzak>
drbrain: burlingtonruby.com
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<drbrain>
khaase: if you can mix up the order of requests then it's possible multiple persistent connections will be faster than a single pipelined connection
<drbrain>
khaase: but it's also possible that multiple pipelined connections will be faster still
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<sonicpond>
mikkelb: an overall logic might be, 1) create a hash from oic { "countryname" => [population] } 2) iterate through gdp and and grow the existing array as { "countryname" => [population, gdp] } 3) iterate through hash emitting as country<tab>pop<tab>gdp and pipe it to common unix utils like cut and sort
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<sonicpond>
mikkelb: i presume this is a onetime data massage and speed/elegance are irrelevant?
<mikkelb>
sonicpond: interesting.. well, elegance is kinda important though.. i dunno about speed
<sonicpond>
mikkelb: marrying ruby's standard out to stdin on unix utils is kinda sexy if you ask me ;)
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<mikkelb>
oh yeah i dont mind that at all :-)
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<mikkelb>
major turnon as a matter of fact
<mikkelb>
but a one time massage it is not, as both gdp and population change every year
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<sonicpond>
mikkelb: well, if the script takes filenames as arguments, you could siccinctly call it from crontab periodically. no humans need to be injured in the filming of this solution.
<mikkelb>
hehe
<mikkelb>
nah thats alright i can run it manually once a year, no problem
<mikkelb>
as long as it's sexier than the awk solution i used to go by: awk -F '\t' -v OFS='\t' 'FNR==NR && !/^[[:space:]]*#/{a[$1]=$2; next} $1 in a { print $1, a[$1], $2}' list_oic.txt list_gdp_ppp.txt
<mikkelb>
(it doesn't work anymore though)
<sonicpond>
mikkelb: well, i'll always think of awk as ruby't hot milf of a mom, but the exclusion requirement and the somewhat dirty nature of the gdp file are problematic.
<mikkelb>
(because back then there were lots of tabs in those textfiles, plus it didn't add back the population count)
<mikkelb>
hahaha
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* Boohbah
has never heard anyone refer to awk as 'sexy'
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<sonicpond>
boohbah: this comedy is not for all audiences. haha
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<mikkelb>
:-)
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<sonicpond>
this one time i threw away my shoes and bought new ones, and the new ones were so uncomfortable they caused pain everytime i took a step and each step made me miss my old shoes immensely. over time, it got better, but i came to love my gone shoes more than i originally did. this week at work, i'm writing exclusively in perl, and it's making me miss ruby so bad.
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<mikkelb>
sonicpond: same thing happened to me, i just traded in the shoes for another pair
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<any-key>
I lit the new ones on fire
<sonicpond>
darmok and jalad...at tanagra.
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<sonicpond>
this week i've heard the phrases "fire torch" and "money check". i like to think of that as reed-solomon phrasing.
<sonicpond>
do you see the lengths i go to in order to avoid going back to my vim tin of perl stew?
<any-key>
vim is greawt
<sonicpond>
any-key: agreed. it's the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down.
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<sonicpond>
i keep trying different colorschemes but i always end up back in vividchalk.
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<mikkelb>
sonicpond: cool never tried that one
<any-key>
I'm big on railscasts and solarized
<mikkelb>
been using solarized for the past few months
<sonicpond>
mikkelb: no matter how you merge those files there are some issues like "Gambia" != "Gambia, The". the ruby script outputs only the population, the awk doesn't output that country at all.
<sonicpond>
...for example
<sonicpond>
mikkelb: this girl in your soundcloud sounds just like my taco shack girl
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<mikkelb>
sonicpond: cool, i never thought of that
<mikkelb>
sonicpond: haha thats awesome man
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<slyphon>
damn
<slyphon>
somewhere along the line i'd forgotten what 'private' and 'protected' really did
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<drbrain>
protected: can only call with a receiver of the same class as the method
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<slyphon>
yeah
<slyphon>
alhtough
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<slyphon>
you can't call self.class.foo if foo is protected
<drbrain>
slyphon: I think, in part, because the only way to create a protected class method is class << self; protected; def foo() p :worked!; end; end
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<slyphon>
yeah
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<drbrain>
and C.new.class is not quite the same as class << C; self; end
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<slyphon>
i did that, and kind of thought it might work
<slyphon>
because it's "my class' protected method"
<erikh>
aherp
* slyphon
sighs
<drbrain>
it looks that way, but it's actually "a protected method of the singleton class of my class"
<slyphon>
i guess ruby just isn't quite as cool as i thought it was...
<slyphon>
ruby, i am dissapoint
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<slyphon>
disappoint, even
<slyphon>
ok, what is kind of lame is that
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<slyphon>
`private; alias another_foo foo` doesn't make another_foo private
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<shevy>
slyphon depends
<shevy>
slyphon 1.8 was cool
<shevy>
1.9.x ... hmm ;-)
<shevy>
if I were matz though, I'd rip the foundation apart and rebuild to a 2.0
<shevy>
which would be bad
<shevy>
so my real hopes are for ruby 3.0
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<erikh>
shevy: that's the perl 6 method
<erikh>
and fraught with madness
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<shevy>
hehehe
<shevy>
I felt very brave today
<shevy>
I went to #perl6 and asked them when will perl6 work on GNU hurd
<shevy>
it was fun for a while until one said that it already does :(
<erikh>
eh, leave them alone
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<drbrain>
shevy: LOL
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<shevy>
they actually were nicer than the guys I asked for help on #perl
<slyphon>
shevy: i'm pretty sure it won't *modify* the visibility of the alias
<shevy>
rking solved my perl problem here on #ruby-lang :\
<slyphon>
i.e. if the original method is public to begin with
<slyphon>
i think this iis the only language chan that isn't full of insufferable assholes
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<slyphon>
there are just a few sufferable ones
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