<postmodern>
cout, i'll try, but submitting an issue and tagging it as feature is a better bet
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<diegoviola>
i wish rubygems would learn some things from node.js' npm
<apeiros_>
such as? (I don't know npm)
<diegoviola>
npm seems to combine the idea of bundler into it already, so there's no need for installing anything else... if i do "npm install foo bar" i will have foo bar installed in node_modules in the current dir
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<diegoviola>
so there's no need for bundler and rvmgemsets or any of the other over-engineered crap
<diegoviola>
it seems they got the unixy idea properly
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<diegoviola>
but i hate js and i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole
<postmodern>
rking, also technoweenie was probably still clinging to 1.8.7
<rking>
Yeah, actually now that I'm finished with the article, I don't see 1 single point that npm > bundle.
<rking>
postmodern: Yep, you can tell from the paths of the strawman failed errors that it's 1.8.
<rking>
This blog post scores a respectable -4.2 / 10 on the rking scale.
<postmodern>
rking, you should leave a comment about upgrading to 1.9
<postmodern>
rking, fight the FUD
<diegoviola>
so no need anymore to do require "rubygems"?
<postmodern>
yeah 1.9 introduced this gem_prelude thing that auto-requires rubygems
<rking>
postmodern: Ugh. Non-inlined comments with more dumbness in them. My FUDfighting powers are warbling.
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<major_majors>
i apologize if there is a better channel for this, but should i expect any frustration from people trying to use my signed gem with things like bundler or rvm?
<major_majors>
i'm not sure how frequently people actually sign their gems or how well supported it is by those kind of things
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<postmodern>
major_majors, majority of people do not sign gems
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<slyphon>
no, RMS, i will NOT fucking type 'info coreutils'
<slyphon>
i want MAN PAGES
<slyphon>
'man' won
<bnagy>
gnu-info gnu-coreutils
<slyphon>
that's what i need, a shitty terminal "browser" with key bindings i can never remember
<diegoviola>
slyphon: why don't you improve it then?
<slyphon>
diegoviola: oh seriously, gfy
<slyphon>
i've got enough shit to do
<diegoviola>
slyphon: then go away and do it, quit your bitching
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<diegoviola>
slyphon: i don't want to hear it
<slyphon>
diegoviola: it's IRC, get used to it
<seanstickle>
info pages are crap
<slyphon>
thank you
<seanstickle>
man pages are the winner
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<apeiros_>
diegoviola: if you don't want to hear it, there's /ignore
<diegoviola>
apeiros_: thanks but is not that i don't want to hear it. I was told "gfy" so perhaps that made me a bit upset, then I already had a bad day today.
<diegoviola>
anyway
<apeiros_>
ah, hrm…
<apeiros_>
speaking of having a day, I should probably call it one… 05.40 already :)
<postmodern>
that's it, im making multi_markdown
<postmodern>
tired of gems depending on their favorite markdown processor
<apeiros_>
postmodern: yay!
<apeiros_>
good thing IMO :)
<apeiros_>
(if you do it, I mean)
<postmodern>
will be up in an hour
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<concernedcitizen>
Hi guys, how do I split a multi-dimensional array into the following format? http://www.pastie.org/3928732
<postmodern>
concernedcitizen, you want b = [1,2,3,*a]
<diegoviola>
seanstickle: can't you guys just remove the infopages package from your system?
<diegoviola>
texinfo package
<concernedcitizen>
that worked!
<concernedcitizen>
what exactly does * do?
<seanstickle>
Huh?
<diegoviola>
23:26 < seanstickle> info pages are crap
<diegoviola>
23:26 < seanstickle> man pages are the winner
<seanstickle>
Some people don't like pears either.
<seanstickle>
Big deal.
<bnagy>
* is splat, it does a lot of different stuff
<diegoviola>
seanstickle: yeah i don't understand what the big deal is
<seanstickle>
diegoviola: you seem to be making a bigger deal about it than I am
<seanstickle>
I merely stated a preference
<seanstickle>
And then dropped it
<diegoviola>
seanstickle: i just don't get why people bitch at it, is rms putting a gun in people heads or something?
<concernedcitizen>
gosh, this splat operator is craaazy stuff.
<seanstickle>
Huh? No gun. Just a bad aesthetic, I think.
<bnagy>
concernedcitizen: I don't really know how to sum it up... it 'kind of' splats the members of a collection one by one into wherever
<slyphon>
diegoviola: because when i want to know the semantics for the 'env' command on the system, i want the manpage to come up with all the info
<seanstickle>
Anyways, who cares?
<concernedcitizen>
does it only work on arrays?
<bnagy>
concernedcitizen: you can use it in method defs, all kinds of places
<seanstickle>
I don't use emacs either. Shock!
<slyphon>
not, "Oh, here's a skeleton, go look at this ancient crazy thing RMS cooked up"
<bnagy>
concernedcitizen: no, Ranges
<bnagy>
concernedcitizen: probably other stuff
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<diegoviola>
ok sorry
<diegoviola>
slyphon: `man env` works just fine here
<diegoviola>
slyphon: the info page has more info though
<rking>
I hate that. (When they cripple the manpage.)
<diegoviola>
wtf
<rking>
I'm thinking about making a project that spiders infopages into full manpages.
<rking>
It's a stupid project superiority thing, AFAICT.
<diegoviola>
that's silly, to cripple the man page
<rking>
E.g. "We made info, you should use it, so we're going to impose a tax on manpages that we make."
<rking>
Yeah, it happens all over the place with GNU stuff.
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<rking>
I install pinfo so at least the info UI is halfway decent.
<rking>
(Though pinfo is a classic example of something that purports to have vi keys but ends up being frustrating as you discover how few vi keys it actually implements.)
<banisterfiend>
rking: sup
<rking>
banisterfiend: Not too much.
<rking>
banisterfiend: I think I'll be able to realify pry-docmore this next week.
<banisterfiend>
rking: no problem, no pressure
<rking>
Crud. I had this def d c; require 'parsetree'; ParseTree.translate c end in my ~/.pryrc, and I'm about 80% sure it worked at some point, but now I can't find the gem that provides that.
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<banisterfiend>
anyone here knowledeable with EM ?
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<banisterfiend>
someone was reporting some problems with pry-remote-em (our event-machine based remote pry plugin) apparently it just doesn't work in some situations, but in order for the EM solution to be viable we have to be able to always start an EM reactor / server at any point / at any time in a running program. any ideas in what situations EM would not work?
<slyphon>
yeah, i have a feeling that is meant for use in em-based apps
<slyphon>
the amqp gem has an intereesting thing for starting a reactor in its utils
<slyphon>
a DTRT module
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<diegoviola>
does rubygems have an option that will allow me to install gems locally, without using bundler?
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<shevy>
diegoviola if you have downloaded a .gem file, like foo.gem that is available locally on your system, you can install it via gem install foo.gem or without fetching other gems, "gem install --ignore-dependencies foo.gem"
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<diegoviola>
ty
<shevy>
you are welcome
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<diegoviola>
shevy: i actually mean installing gems remotely, while pulling those deps and installing it locally
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<sxone>
hey
<sxone>
anyone around?
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<countdigi>
morning
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<rue>
HI THERE
<shevy>
GREETINGS PROGRAMS
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<countdigi>
im a module but greetings to u too :-)
<shevy>
NOBODY CAN BE PERFECT, MOST MODULES ARE EXPENDABLE
<countdigi>
tell me bout it
* shevy
IS A PERFECT MASTER-CONTROL-UNIT HOWEVER.
<shevy>
I still have not watched the new tron
<countdigi>
its cool if for the special fx alone
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
I am not too fond of most fx, they seem to be overdone a lot ... anyone remembers independence day? it looked as if they made just one plane model, and then cloned that 500x times :(
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<countdigi>
independence day was classic for its artful awefulness :-)
<countdigi>
uploading code to an unknown alien operating system was the peak for me
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
well
<shevy>
perhaps we will be the aliens one day in the universe
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<dr_turkleberry_>
shevy: hopefully ;)
<shevy>
and become like the BORG
<bnagy>
I love star wars
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<shevy>
hmm
<countdigi>
4-6 were great
<shevy>
I liked the old star wars movies
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<cout>
doctor who vs. darth vader, who wins
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<shevy>
who is doctor who?
<shevy>
darth vader has one thing going for him
<shevy>
the breathing
<shevy>
you would think that when you have battleships, they could cure physical diseases, but oh no...
<shevy>
or in star trek, why captain piccard was bald... apparently they have no means against baldness. but they can instantly replicate anything hmmmm.
<countdigi>
lol
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<cout>
shevy: maybe his grandmother was ferengi
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<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
one of the few things I liked in deep space nine
<shevy>
the ferengi
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<bnagy>
WRONG ferengi first contact was made by the enterprise D
<bnagy>
therefore picard could not have ferengi ancestry
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<TheDracle>
Is there any documentation tool for Ruby similar to Sphinx for Python?
<TheDracle>
I want something where I can write the markup, commit it to a repository, and generate the documents as part of a code repository.
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<andrewvos>
I just can't stop being excited about pry. It really is too cool.
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<erikh>
WHY DON'T YOU MARRY IT THEN
<andrewvos>
I WOULD IF I COULD
<imperator2>
pry's too sexy for my mac, too sexy for my mac, so sexy it's whack
<andrewvos>
Shit just got real.
<imperator2>
i'm a repl, you know what i mean, and i run my little code on the console, yeah on the console, on the console yeah, i run my little code on the console
<andrewvos>
col
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<andrewvos>
(cringing out loud)
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<erikh>
imperator2: on fire
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<shevy>
sometimes Insanity enters #ruby-lang for a while
<shevy>
people then stare in confusion at the things that are happening here
<shevy>
until they just shrug their shoulders
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<imperator2>
the opportunities to incorporate Right Said Fred into #ruby-lang are so rare, they must be pounced upon and cherished when they arise
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<shevy>
I liked that sexy song from right said fred
<shevy>
it made muscle shirts en vogue again ... you know... hipster-like as we would say today
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<imperator2>
though it still required that you actually _have_ muscles to work
<imperator2>
and even then it still looked dumb
<shevy>
hmm true
<shevy>
I never had as many muscles as mr. fred
<erikh>
when I played eve, my character's name was Right Said Fred
<erikh>
he was too sexy for eve
<shevy>
lol
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<imperator2>
eve online, the only game where i gave up because i couldn't figure out how to play
<imperator2>
i think i mined some asteroids or something for a bit
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<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
that's it
<shevy>
we now know that ruby hackers are bad gamers
<imperator2>
nah, i'm pretty good at World of Tanks :)
<mistym>
rubyists couldn't figure out how to beat the error37 boss in Diablo III
<imperator2>
cue the "took an error37 to the knee" jokes
<any-key>
there was a worse one in the XML libraries, but I can't find it
<rue>
mistym: Yeah, I’m still upset about ME3
<any-key>
it was amazing, because not only was it verbose, it had to do with XML...the epitome of java :P
<mistym>
I consider myself lucky I didn't pick it up...
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<jacobwg>
Does any know how to run a system command in ruby and connect up the stdin and stdout to the current process? (basically I want to run a shell script and allow the user to see output and enter input and then return to ruby for further processing)
<lianj>
popen, or capture rubys stdout
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<jacobwg>
lianj: actually, it looks like system() is doing what I thought it didn't - in my case I do not need the ruby process to talk to the system script, just the user
<jacobwg>
system() seems to be doing that
<lianj>
and you want the stdout of the system methods then?
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<jacobwg>
lianj: makes sense - basically I was worried about running sudo commands (it needs to prompt the user for a password) and in the future the shell script might ask for other input, but capturing the io will be better especially if I ever automate or distribute the script
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<shevy>
chris2 mistym fixed my ruby problem with psych, now I can run all my things on 1.9.x!
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<imperator2>
dammit, can't build win32console from source
<lianj>
shevy: 'now'
<shevy>
lianj yeah
<shevy>
I couldn't before
* lianj
dies a little inside
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<imperator2>
i thought you had to declare variables within each scope in C
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<imperator2>
but it seems gcc lets you get away with it unless you compile with pedantic
<imperator2>
*first* i mean
<imperator2>
great, now i get to fork win32console
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<bnagy>
imperator2: wait, there's a win32 gem you didn't write??
<imperator2>
i know, right?
<yxhuvud>
imperator2: exact how that behaves depends on which version of C you use.
<bnagy>
what new sorcery is this??
<imperator2>
yxhuvud, but it's not part of the c99 standard afaik
* imperator2
tries building as c++ to see if it lets me get away with it
<imperator2>
on a completely unrelated note, i'm getting good at making home made smoothies, yum
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<yxhuvud>
imperator2: hmm. exactly what do you mean? are you using variables without declaring them or are you declaring them somewhere else?
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<asahi>
probably not the right place to be asking this, but can someone tell me what the purpose of something like <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf = "http://purl.org/rss/1.0/"> at the root of an xml document do?
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<asahi>
nevermind. found some resources
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<asahi>
if children is a Nokogiri::XML::Nodeset, how can I grab the child with name = "title"?
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<drbrain>
asahi: search better
<drbrain>
asahi: what search do you perform to get the nodeset?
<asahi>
drbrain: I did doc.xpath('/rdf/RDF/xmlns:item') to get the nodeset
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<erikh>
you should just be able to do set.xpath('*[@name=title]') or something similar
<asahi>
oops. doc.xpath('/rdf/RDF/xmlns:item').children gave me the nodeset
<drbrain>
asahi: that works?
<drbrain>
I would think /rdf:RDF/xmlns:item would be what you wanted...
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<drbrain>
… adding [@name='title'] to your query would do it
<erikh>
yay
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<drbrain>
asahi: this will still return a NodeSet since multiple items map have a name of title
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<asahi>
yeah. let me revise. my initial query is xpath('/rdf:RDF/xmlns:item').first and I want to grab the title of that
<asahi>
first.attributes gives the uri. the title is in first.children. I can access it with first.children[1] but want a more accurate way of doing it
<asahi>
drbrain: thanks for your help. also saw that I can do something like xpath('//xmlns:item').first.xpath('xmlns:title').text or replace title with description to get the desc
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<asahi>
this stuff confuses me every time
<shevy>
hehe
<erikh>
xpath is pretty cryptic at times
<erikh>
drbrain: are my superclass patches suitable?
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<rue>
asahi: If you’re not comfortable with XPath and it’s not a critically slow path, you can definitely do the matching piecemeal like that if it helps.
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<countdigi>
tgif ... now i can get some real work done! :-)
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<asahi>
rue: I'm not really sure what the difference is
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<asahi>
thought I was using the most direct way of iterating over the items and grabbing the titles and descriptions
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<rue>
asahi: If you can construct a complete XPath expression, it’s almost certainly faster
<rue>
Well. Let’s make that ‘most likely’
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<countdigi>
off the wall question .. what are the most typical situations when u raise an exception in ur code? have an inner debate w/ when to be too paranoid and when to go w/ the flow
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<rue>
When there’s an error, that’s a big one.
<asahi>
rue: but if I'm trying to grab several children of a particular element, wouldn't I need an xpath expression for each one?
<rue>
Maybe, I didn’t look at the specifics of your question
<asahi>
basically I'm doing items = xpath('xmlns:item'). and then item.xpath('xmlns:title') to get title and item.xpath('xmlns:description') to get the description
<asahi>
I'm iterating over the items if that wasn't clear
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<xcyclist>
Where is the canonical place to ask for cucumber help?
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<rue>
#cucumber, if there is one
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<erikh>
#ror might be useful too.
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<rue>
#squash maybe?
<rue>
#eggplant
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<erikh>
#pickles
<erikh>
damn, that sounds delicious right now
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<xcyclist>
Why is it there seems to be no explanation anywhere about how to make a simple hello world cucumber script to run on an arbitrary we site that I can specify and report on? What is this some kind of crazy house software?
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