#ruby-lang on 2011-12-26 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2011-11-28 00:09 Topic for #ruby-lang is now Ruby 1.9.3p0: http://ruby-lang.org | Paste >3 Lines of Text on http://pastie.org

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00:40 <shevy> test

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00:46 <shevy> anyone has a ruby script that uploads/pastes i.e. a file to gist github?

00:47 <bougyman> gem search -dr gist|more

00:47 <bougyman> there's a ton, it seems.

00:48 <bougyman> the one named 'gist' seems easy

00:48 <shevy> oh cool

00:48 <shevy> thanks bougyman

00:49 <bougyman> there's vim and emacs plugins, too, i fyou're into that.

00:49 <shevy> ah no

00:50 <shevy> I just need something simple so I can upload code to gist quickly from the commandline :)

00:52 <darix> shevy: there is

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03:34 <josh9> sinatra

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06:16 <autumn_> hi guys, i'm trying to dynamically create a unicode codepoint, like "\u" + "1234", but it errors with "invalud unicode escape"

06:17 <autumn_> "\u#{num}" errors similarly

06:17 <autumn_> is there any way to do that?

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06:20 <samuelkadolph> autumn_: \u escapes happens when ruby parses the string and not when it actually runs. So you will need to have "\u1234" or do something like this (https://gist.github.com/1201233) to convert a unicode escape at runtime.

06:20 <rippa> autumn_: [0x1234].pack("U*")

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06:22 <autumn_> ah okay

06:23 <autumn_> thanks a lot samuelkadolph, rippa

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08:51 <Ly531291c> do you think life is like a dvd? all the memories are there, but they cannot all (usu) be accessed at the same time? dreams are permutations of memories?

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09:41 <markit> hi, I need to run bash from my ruby script. To build the command string I do love have #{} substitution, but would love to have just that. If I use %Q[] also \ are intercepted. Is there something that does what I need?

09:41 <markit> so no interpolation/escaping/whatever except only #{} ?

09:41 <markit> ruby 1.8.7

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10:06 <Ly531291c> does < also mean append? or a subclass?

10:11 <markit> Ly531291c: newbie here, but as far as I remember, you append with <<, not <

10:11 <erikh> like with most languages, symbols have different meanings with different contexts

10:11 <markit> I've to leave, bye

10:12 <erikh> in the context of a class declaration, < Does indeed mean "inherit from"

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10:14 <erikh> markit: no, you either get interpolation + escaping or none at all

10:14 <erikh> if you want the effect you desire you'll probably want to use concatenation

10:15 <erikh> e.g., %q[some command '] + some_argument + %q[' some more stuff]

10:15 <erikh> be sure to checkout the Shellwords library if you're going to go that route

10:15 <erikh> (ri Shellwords at your terminal)

10:16 <erikh> \ is an escape character in either case, fwiw -- you can't step around that one

10:16 <erikh> well, not in any fashion that's easy to read at least.

10:16 <erikh> so double-up for escapes you want to pass to bash

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11:39 <erikh> having one of those caffeine fueled moments where I get amped up to write an angry blog about all the things in the ruby community that suck

11:40 <erikh> I know it'll pass in about 30 minutes so I'll just say something here and not waste time on the rest

11:40 <apeiros_> hehe, I know that all too well :D

11:40 <burgestrand> *hug erikh*

11:40 <erikh> heh

11:40 <apeiros_> good idea…

11:40 * apeiros_ hugs erikh too :)

11:40 <erikh> the hugs! yay

11:41 <burgestrand> apeiros_: how’d your rubygems idea come along?

11:41 <erikh> apeiros_: oh I have something in that vein if you're interested

11:41 <apeiros_> burgestrand: it hit the christmas tree and both went up burning…

11:42 <erikh> an unfinished implementation of treating gems as jar files

11:42 <apeiros_> burgestrand: no, uh, to be more serious, I got a bit of positive feedback by chris2

11:42 <burgestrand> apeiros_: oh :)

11:42 <apeiros_> I still hope for feedback by drbrain (being the main maintainer of rubygems)

11:43 <erikh> what is it?

11:43 <burgestrand> I couldn’t give any I’m afraid, know too little of that ecosystem to dare voice anything ;)

11:43 <apeiros_> burgestrand: depending on what happens, I intend to push it to the ML and see what reactions I get there

11:43 <chris2> apeiros_: ah yes

11:43 <chris2> apeiros_: you posted that to ruby-talk?

11:44 <apeiros_> chris2: not yet. I thought christmas time is a bad time. I'll wait until ~jan 3rd

11:44 <chris2> apeiros_: i can think of one possible issue

11:44 <chris2> two actually

11:44 <apeiros_> erikh: what is what?

11:44 <erikh> your rubygems stuff

11:44 <chris2> first, with explicit version you'll have true_version, old_version in load-path

11:44 * erikh is intrigued

11:44 <chris2> that could fuck things up if you load files only in the old version

11:44 <apeiros_> erikh: ah, reduce $LOAD_PATH & dir-search bloat: http://pastie.org/3068916

11:44 <chris2> second, it only works with gems that have a /lib

11:45 <chris2> which hopefully are all by now...

11:45 <chris2> and they could overwrite files

11:45 <erikh> cool.

11:45 <apeiros_> chris2: the old_version, current_version should be ammendable by keeping current_version the last in $LOAD_PATH

11:46 <chris2> yeah, but that could make problems

11:46 <apeiros_> chris2: more than just lib - gems that have that list all their require_dirs in the gemspec, so upon install, copy all of them

11:46 <chris2> ok

11:46 <apeiros_> chris2: any problems that don't exist already in the current implementation?

11:47 <chris2> you can do require 'gem/oldfile'

11:47 <erikh> hrm

11:47 <chris2> that would raise an error right now, but possibly load the wrong file in your version

11:47 <apeiros_> chris2: one problem I wonder about are native extensions

11:47 <chris2> not sure that is a real problem

11:47 <erikh> the BOM could just be a set of symlinks

11:47 <chris2> erikh: stow-like, yes

11:47 <erikh> right

11:47 <chris2> i wonder why i never wrote that

11:47 <apeiros_> chris2: ah, hm, I see what you mean

11:47 <chris2> sounds fairly simple

11:47 <erikh> I had another implementation I should show sometime

11:47 <erikh> yeah, it was gems as jar files more or less

11:48 <chris2> i should mail mfp and ask him

11:48 <erikh> it's unfinished

11:48 <chris2> he thought a lot about that

11:48 <apeiros_> mfp?

11:48 <chris2> batsman

11:48 <erikh> eigenclass

11:48 <apeiros_> ah

11:48 <apeiros_> mauricio?

11:48 <chris2> yes

11:49 <apeiros_> is he still using ruby?

11:49 <chris2> no idea

11:49 <chris2> but he probably knows which ideas he tried

11:49 <chris2> although they tried to avoid multiple versions

11:50 <apeiros_> ah, it was not meant as a "hey, don't write him cuz he no longer uses ruby", I was only curious :)

11:50 <erikh> well, I know zenspider is trying to ramp up rubygems 2.0

11:50 <erikh> so this is a good time to be active with new ideas.

11:50 <chris2> i dont think he uses ruby really

11:50 <chris2> for some scripts maybe

11:50 <chris2> gtg, lunch

11:52 <apeiros_> erikh: yeah, I gave him the link, but I think he was AFK then, and later I went afk… so no idea whether he's seen it

11:52 <erikh> post to the list

11:52 <erikh> sec, I'll get it for you

11:52 <erikh> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubygems-developers

11:53 <erikh> at least it'll definitely be seen that way

11:53 <apeiros_> ah, on the rubygems ML, not the ruby-talk ML? ok

11:53 <apeiros_> good idea

11:53 <erikh> rubygems ML is really low traffic

11:56 <apeiros_> ok, I'll paste it there today then :)

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12:30 <markit> erikh: thanks for your reply :)

12:30 <erikh> enjoy

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13:16 <masterkorp> Any library to source bash files and transport the vars to ruby ?

13:16 <shevy> hmmmm

13:16 <shevy> that sounds quite specialized masterkorp

13:16 <shevy> have not heard of one like that

13:17 <shevy> my solution is to rewrite the bash functionality in ruby :P

13:17 <masterkorp> shevy: making a some bash apps wrapper

13:17 <masterkorp> shevy: i can do that too, but compatibility with exusting tools is a must :D

13:18 <mitchty> so i've done that in perl, gist was shell out to the shell junk, dump its ENV, then merge into the parent proc's ENV, wasn't pretty, even for perl

13:18 <shevy> I see masterkorp

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13:19 <shevy> well you can probably write a tiny ruby lib that just iterates through that file and collect all variables

13:19 <shevy> hmm

13:19 <mitchty> shevy: that doesn't work if its set dynamically :)

13:19 <shevy> waaaah

13:19 <shevy> what the hell are your shell scripts guys :(

13:19 <mitchty> unless you want to write a shell parser in ruby

13:20 <masterkorp> rash :d the shell made in ruby :p

13:20 <shevy> hmm indeed have not thought about ENV

13:20 <shevy> I am surprised that would even work

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13:20 <mitchty> the hack i described is about the easiest way, short of writing bourne/korn/zsh/bourne-again parsers

13:21 <shevy> not from within a ruby script or? like when you use system() ... or will that actively modify ENV?

13:21 <mitchty> nope, just wrap your shell script and at the end just dump env

13:21 <shevy> oh

13:21 <mitchty> then merge in what you want

13:22 <mitchty> gets tricky with PATH and friends, but meh

13:22 <mitchty> and obviously functions won't work

13:25 <shevy> hmmm

13:25 <shevy> my ENV does not seem to be modified when I do

13:25 <shevy> system '/bin/sh test.sh'

13:26 <masterkorp> shevy: try with source or .

13:26 <masterkorp> shevy: sh creates a new ENV

13:26 <shevy> oh

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13:37 <shevy> hmm

13:38 <shevy> can markdown be used from within ... a ruby .cgi script

13:38 <shevy> what I mean is something like

13:38 <shevy> in foobar.cgi

13:38 <shevy> read_file('some_markdown_file')

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14:07 <erikh> shevy: look at the kramdown gem

14:07 <erikh> there's also upskirt

14:07 <erikh> IIRC

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14:10 <necromancer> hmm

14:10 <necromancer> i have a line in my sinatra app

14:10 <necromancer> [200, {'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml'}, erb(:podcast, :locals => {:user => @user})]

14:11 <necromancer> i'm getting the right data but the Content-Type is transferring at text/plain, not application/rss+xml. why is this?

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14:25 <TTilus> necromancer: you don't possibly have content_type or mime_type call elsewhere?

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14:25 <TTilus> (just guesswork)

14:26 <necromancer> TTilus: here is the only place i have it called in my application. note that i am experiencing the proper XML for a podcast as laid out in my erb template (which i can also add to the gist if you need to see it), except transferred as plain text: https://gist.github.com/1521251

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14:28 <TTilus> necromancer: pretty confusing

14:28 <TTilus> necromancer: afaik that ought to work

14:28 <necromancer> TTilus: this is the whole file https://github.com/tubbo/overcast/blob/master/lib/overcast.rb

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14:31 <TTilus> necromancer: does setting headers work at all?

14:31 <necromancer> TTilus: i thought that's what i was doing right there

14:31 <TTilus> necromancer: can you pass 'X-Testing' => 'foo'

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14:32 <TTilus> necromancer: can you set Content-Type to something else?

14:33 <TTilus> necromancer: does 'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml' work with just get '/test' { [200, {'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml'}, 'foo'] }

14:35 <TTilus> necromancer: ...just doing guesswork here, trying to find out if theres something failing with headers in general or Content-Type in particular

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14:35 <necromancer> ok

14:36 <TTilus> im way beyond my sinatra-debugging-fu here =D

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14:42 <necromancer> TTilus: i tried [200, {'Content-Type' => 'application/rss+xml'}, 'test post'] and it returned as text/plain

14:44 <necromancer> TTilus: but it turns out the Response Headers are that, it's just my browser (Chrome) doesn't seem to be accepting it...

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14:50 <TTilus> oh, ok :-O

14:50 <TTilus> perhaps they just know better at google =D

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15:11 <shevy> thanks erikh

15:11 <shevy> heeh

15:12 <shevy> chrooooooome

15:12 <shevy> we are the borg

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15:22 <rue> Chrome is the poop.

15:23 <whitequark> is EM stable/fast on JRuby?

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15:53 <rue> II do believe it's stable. I'm not sure if it's particularly fast(er) at any rate

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16:10 <shevy> erikh, it's really quite nice, already using kramdown http://kramdown.rubyforge.org/quickref.html :)

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16:13 <bjensen> is there a performance benefits to using ruby 1.9.3 instead of 1.9.2? If so..any idea how much?

16:13 <shevy> not sure if there were any comparisons

16:14 <raggi_> yes, depends on the app

16:14 <yorickpeterse> require got faster as well

16:14 <raggi_> the GC particularly, i think - haven't tested myself at all, or seen numbers

16:14 <raggi_> just bench em

16:15 <shevy> bjensen, I am trying to look at http://shootout.alioth.debian.org but it seems to not allow the comparison of different ruby version, unless I am missing that

16:16 <bjensen> Im doing a large rails 3.1.3 app

16:17 <robgleeson> then it will be faster

16:17 <robgleeson> for boot, anyway ;)

16:17 <robgleeson> algorithm to scan $LOADED_FEATURES is better, so require is faster

16:17 <robgleeson> and GC changes as well, but I can't remember the specifics.

16:18 <shevy> rails, rails, rails

16:18 <shevy> why is everyone using rails

16:18 <any-key> because we like it

16:18 * yorickpeterse Isn't using Rails

16:18 <diegoviola> yorickpeterse: you're using ramaze?

16:19 <yorickpeterse> I'd say that would be obvious :)

16:19 <shevy> hmm

16:19 <diegoviola> nice, ramaze rocks

16:19 <shevy> any-key, what is it specifically that you like in rails if you have to name just one thing?

16:19 <diegoviola> i like it a lot more than rails

16:19 <diegoviola> ramaze with sequel

16:19 <yorickpeterse> word

16:19 <any-key> shevy: it's a web framework...?

16:20 <shevy> well but so are others

16:20 <any-key> I work on a large rails project and by all means go find me another web framework that can handle it

16:20 <any-key> which ones?

16:20 <any-key> why the hate?

16:20 <robgleeson> it's cool to hate Rails or <insert popular thing here>

16:20 <shevy> what hate man

16:20 <yorickpeterse> I don't think shevy is hatin'

16:21 <shevy> I only hate PHP

16:21 <any-key> what frameworks are you suggesting I use instead of rails?

16:21 <yorickpeterse> PHP is a wonderful thing, don't be hatin'

16:21 <shevy> any-key, doesn't matter. any other one? self written ones?

16:21 <yorickpeterse> (disclaimer: I work with it 5 days a week and hate it)

16:21 <any-key> shevy: why would I write my own?

16:21 <any-key> Ruby allows for rapid and straightforward development, a modular ruby web framework makes me happy

16:22 <any-key> unless I'm twitter and going ROFLScale there is no need for me to reinvent the wheel

16:22 <rue> Invest in the wheel

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16:22 <any-key> shevy: what exactly are your beefs with rails though?

16:23 <shevy> any-key I find it colossal. I really don't know of any other project which has more things one has to learn in order to use it

16:23 <shevy> save for vim or emacs perhaps

16:23 <any-key> welcome to the world of reasonably sized web apps

16:24 <any-key> it is colossal, but when your app is colossal it helps a lot

16:25 <cout> to hear someone call rails "colossal" seems ironic to me

16:25 <cout> when dhh first showed off rails at rubyconf, everyone was impressed that it was only 1000 lines of code or so

16:25 <any-key> shevy: it's diminishing returns with rails until your app has a certain size/complexity

16:26 <deryl> to hear anyone call ruby or rails colossal is amazing.

16:26 <shevy> there is quite a lot to learn in ruby

16:26 <any-key> as with most programming languages

16:26 <shevy> all the newcomer questions... "What are blocks"... "what are symbols ... procs ... what is Enumerator"

16:26 <shevy> I found PHP had less concept

16:26 <shevy> +s

16:26 <deryl> quite lot to learn in rails to properly utilize the framework and the underlying ruby language. all depends on which way you came to

16:27 <any-key> exactly

16:28 <yorickpeterse> Each tool has it's own purpose. Some are happy with Rails, others hate it

16:28 <yorickpeterse> As long as you can deal with that you should be good to go :)

16:28 <raggi_> this whole conversation is lol

16:28 <deryl> any-key: at the same time i can see shevy's point. a good many new users can not tell where rails ends and 'ruby' begins. and trying to establish baselines can be difficult

16:28 <raggi_> "colossal"

16:28 <raggi_> srsly

16:28 <raggi_> lol

16:28 <shevy> rails is tiny

16:29 <yorickpeterse> Rack is colossal :3

16:29 <raggi_> rails is like 4 or 5 products dude

16:29 <deryl> any-key: such as is Array rails or ruby? is inject rails or ruby? is form_for or etc rails or ruby? where is it all defined, clearly? etc

16:29 <raggi_> comparing rails to other basically routing + controller frameworks is kinda dumb

16:30 <deryl> hardly. it fits quite well being compared with something like cakephp as they both handle the same focus within their respective languages' worlds.

16:30 <deryl> fair comparitors

16:30 <raggi_> deryl: i'm talking about other ruby "web frameworks", which mostly handle exclusively routing + controller stuff

16:31 <raggi_> sure you can compare it to other full stack mvc frameworks

16:32 <raggi_> there are wonky bits in rails, there's wonky bits in most things of that size - and a lot of things that are smaller

16:32 <raggi_> but rails 3 is in general, a hell of a lot cleaner than rails used to be

16:34 <raggi_> plus, there's no sane denial that it works, for a shitton of people

16:34 <yxhuvud> indeed, but there are plenty of areas that still really need a ton of cleanup.

16:35 <deryl> same could be said of any software out there

16:35 <deryl> kernels included

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17:58 <queequeg1> how do I use a variable when trying o format a string? "% {foo}d" % {:foo => 10}

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18:00 <rue> queequeg1: "%d" % {:foo => 10}[:foo] ?

18:01 <rue> Oh, it's "%<foo>d"

18:02 <queequeg1> My string was messed up wince I left out the actual decimal :-)

18:02 <queequeg1> sorry. I'm trying your suggestion now.

18:02 <rue> It's in ri sprintf

18:02 <queequeg1> k, thanks.

18:07 <queequeg1> I just read through the docs and I'm not seeing what I'm looking for. I don't think I'm explaining myself well. What I want is to have a variable for how many spaces to put in the format.

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18:09 <rue> Ah

18:09 <rue> Just interpolate?

18:09 <queequeg1> you mean using #{}

18:09 <rue> "%#{spaces}d" % number

18:10 <rue> It's ugly as all hell, but you know

18:10 <queequeg1> I thought I tried it, but I will see if I mistyped.

18:10 <rue> I'm not sure what the %{} format does

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18:12 <queequeg1> That seems to work. :-)

18:12 <queequeg1> I must have done a typo earlier.

18:12 <queequeg1> Thanks :-)

18:15 <rippa> %{} is just a string

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18:15 <rippa> ah, format %{}

18:16 <necromancer> deryl: this is the same problem jQuery faces with new users

18:16 <rippa> "%{a} - %{b}" % {a: 'foo', b: 'bar'}

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18:17 <rippa> #=> "foo - bar"

18:17 <necromancer> it's difficult to get web developers to try out ruby as a shell scripting language first and THEN as a web development language, which is how it really should be taught

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18:23 <rue> jQuery should be used for shell scripts?

18:25 <bougyman> sure

18:25 <bougyman> necromancer: web developers these days don't even need the shell

18:25 <bougyman> sad, i know.

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18:32 <yorickpeterse> jquery in the shell? wtf?

18:32 <yorickpeterse> Are you smoking something?

18:33 <mitchty> ruby as a scripting language, versus rails as a framework, javascript as a programming language, versus jquery as a framework

18:34 <yorickpeterse> except jquery has nothing to do with shell based actions

18:34 <mitchty> nevermind

18:35 <yorickpeterse> That's like saying a horse and a car are identical because they can be used as transportation

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18:42 <deryl> necromancer: i can't disagree with your statement. it mirrors my own, though i do think its possible to learn it in both mindframes at the same time, though the learning time will slow as you switch back and forth in whichever mode

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18:43 <deryl> learning the interface to the language first would help to write better with the framework is what i think he was trying to say, yorickpeterse

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18:50 <shevy> hmm

18:50 <shevy> Are Rails coders better Ruby hackers?

18:51 <rue> Sputterlol

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18:52 <diegoviola> wut

18:52 <diegoviola> ramaze coders are the best ruby hackers of course

18:52 <diegoviola> ...

18:53 <diegoviola> jk

18:53 <shevy> hmm since there is no objection

18:53 <shevy> I will now think Rails makes you a better Ruby hacker

18:54 <mitchty> i say perl makes you a better ruby hacker, how bout them apples

18:55 <shevy> hmmm

18:55 <shevy> perl allowed PHP

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18:58 <mitchty> but php was originally just perl

18:59 <shevy> :(

18:59 <shevy> the son killing his father ...

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19:02 <mitchty> eh, i think perls just at the stage that cobol/fortran/etc... are at, where its used it'll keep getting used, just don't expect it to expand, will happen to ruby eventually too

19:04 <shevy> :(

19:04 <shevy> I know

19:04 <shevy> javascript will kill ruby eventually

19:05 <shevy> https://github.com/languages/

19:06 <diegoviola> yawn... js

19:07 <josh9> shevy: i also see it coming. no kidding

19:08 <shevy> First they ignore you

19:08 <queequeg1> This code ( http://pastie.org/3076179 ) generates multiplication tables. What I can't figure out is why I'm printing each table twice? Any hints?

19:08 <shevy> then they laugh at you

19:08 <shevy> and then you find yourself writing javascript code daily

19:08 <shevy> :(

19:08 <josh9> shevy: the node guys have different frameworks now that looks like sinatra

19:08 <shevy> hmm

19:08 <josh9> express.js

19:08 <josh9> flatiron

19:09 <mitchty> I use ruby as a scripting language, the whole js thing doesn't bother me much

19:09 <diegoviola> what's so nice about js?

19:09 <josh9> diegoviola: speed and the fact that it's everywhere

19:09 <shevy> that's actually quite amazing... because they provide a whole ecosystem of javascript... without anyone designing javascript ahead much

19:10 <robgleeson> hm?

19:10 <josh9> shevy: what do u mean by 'design js ahead'?

19:10 <shevy> like how python is designed

19:10 <cout> from future import?

19:10 <shevy> you don't have that in the javascript world

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19:10 <robgleeson> have what, exactly?

19:10 <cout> shevy: you can compile future javascript versions down to previous versions

19:11 <shevy> that there is anyone designing the language ahead in time robgleeson

19:11 <shevy> it's like a chaotic growth

19:11 <queequeg1> I fixed it.

19:12 <rue> diegoviola: There's little that's nice about JS. It's just ubiquitous

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19:13 <shevy> hmm

19:13 <shevy> like poop?

19:14 <robgleeson> shevy: there is a ECMAScript spec people contribute ideas to

19:14 <robgleeson> google, microsoft, & apple

19:14 <josh9> i have user object and email class (or module, not sure yet). my app can send email to users. should i pass the user object into a method on the email object or the other way around?

19:15 <diegoviola> nice

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19:16 <shevy> robgleeson those three companies should be replaced by matz

19:16 <robgleeson> lol :/

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19:32 <shevy> hmm

19:32 <shevy> let's say I have code like:

19:33 <shevy> def foobar # this method does this and that... and a lot more

19:33 <shevy> code_stuff_goes_here # etc...

19:33 <shevy> end

19:33 <shevy> would rdoc know that the comment part after "def foobar" belongs to that method?

19:33 <shevy> or will it insist on the comment part being above the method definition

19:33 <shevy> oops sorry

19:34 <shevy> well I am going to find out

19:34 <samuelkadolph> Holy space bar Batman

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19:38 <robgleeson> shevy: no idea, but I wouldn't suggest documenting your method on the same line it is defined on.

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19:58 <rue> shevy: Just put the docs above. It's a good visual separation.

19:58 <rue> I use a single empty comment line above the code to avoid the doc cluttering the def itself

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19:58 <samuelkadolph> I'm sad, the Steam deals today aren't that great

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20:05 <rue> Aww

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20:26 <deryl> rue: i like that format myself. but many i work with don't. they either prefer a blank space between the comment's ending line and the code it references, or they want it buttressed right up against the bottom of the comment. Personally I think the extra # works as a pointing flag myself. :shrug:

20:27 <rue> Well fuck 'em

20:27 <rue> :)

20:27 <deryl> heh

20:27 <rue> RDoc understands all of those anyway

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21:09 <Oloryn_lt2> Is it possible to get HTTPClient to force retrieval of a request over IPv4, when the target site has both IPv4 and IPv6 addressses?

21:10 <manveru> give it an IPv4

21:11 <manveru> unless the target does vhost matching

21:11 <Oloryn_lt2> The target does vhost matching

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21:12 <manveru> then you probably need to check if you can give it an arbitrary socket

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21:55 <samuelkadolph> What's wrong with it using IPv6?

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22:18 <eggman2001> if i've installed ruby with rvm, does that mean I'm an MRI/YARV user?

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22:27 <mitchty> yes, forget yarv, it was the in development name, its all mri

22:32 <eggman2001> k, thanks

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22:41 <dreinull> in factory girl I have a class user which is accessed as :user. Now I want to add to some Array in a model the :user symbol. Obviously this confuses factory girl. Is there a way to still keep the class name and use :user for the Array?

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22:45 <dreinull> ok, I see this is about scope. But what scope do I want it to be? Can I find out the scope of an existing symbol so I can apply it directly?

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22:50 <injekt> dreinull: I'm very confused

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22:51 <injekt> "Now I want to add to some Array in a model the :user symbol

22:51 <injekt> "

22:51 <injekt> this is where the confusion started

22:51 <dreinull> injekt: I'll paste it

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22:53 <dreinull> injekt: ok, made a mistake in the first place I think. Should have given Factory girl an [:user] instead... Let's see if that works

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22:58 <dreinull> ok, works now

23:01 <burgestrand> eggman2001: not necessarily, but most likely :p

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