<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/: new libatrf function atrf_slp_tr to control SLP_TR (for now only atben) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/fe2720e
<wpwrak>
it's not 100% truthful, because only one set of them went out. the other is mine. and the other three sets were already on their way. but it's a good approximation :)
<wolfspraul>
communication (the ability to communicate or not) is very much at the center of this actually
<wpwrak>
link works here
<wolfspraul>
long text, Wernerian :-)
<wolfspraul>
they will definitely loose control at some point, if the ability to lock down communication is what they need to stay in power, they will have a problem
<wpwrak>
yeah, i was starting to look for the summary ;-)
<wolfspraul>
I think the phones, networks, microblogs etc. will pop up everywhere
<wolfspraul>
not sure who can keep up more/faster
<wolfspraul>
the system or the individual :-)
<wolfspraul>
my bet is on the individual, of course
<wpwrak>
cutting communication inside a country ought to be difficult
<wolfspraul>
oh
<wolfspraul>
maybe you should live in China for a while :-)
<wolfspraul>
just read that article, if you have a few minutes
<wolfspraul>
last year they supposedly spent ca. 90 billion USD on 'harmonious society' which is the umbrella for all these shutdown/lockdown activities
<wolfspraul>
man we should pump that into copyleft hardware
<wolfspraul>
that's almost 250 million USD / day
<wolfspraul>
they should invest it in better education system so the culture can survive even with free speech, which it cannot today
<wpwrak>
sounds strangely civilized so far. i've read considerably worse stories from germany about confiscated equipment ...
<wolfspraul>
yes!
<wolfspraul>
that's the point
<wolfspraul>
it's extremely subtle
<wolfspraul>
but make no mistake, they are increasing the screws all the way to the most brutally imaginable torture and killing, if need be
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: what do you think? in the future - will the government be able to control your communication, or not?
<wolfspraul>
I somehow cannot see how they will be able to fully control it. There are too many people, and the ways to communicate constantly increase.
<wolfspraul>
of course they can aggressively use the same technology for themselves, which is what China is doing. But somehow I think the favor is still on the side of the user, if only because there are so many of them, and they have so many ideas, each one individually, how to circumvent whatever roadblocks.
<wolfspraul>
when computers are hunting people, people will win, I think
<wolfspraul>
computers are just too stupid in the end :-)
<wpwrak>
if i pissed off any government sufficiently, i would assume that they'd just find a reason to arrest me. much easier than subtly constraining all communications
<wolfspraul>
if communication is your crime, they need to build prisons for the entire population
<wpwrak>
i guess it's all in the numbers. as long as the number of "enemies of the state" is small, you can just pick them out and neutralize them.
<wolfspraul>
yes
<wpwrak>
if everybody is kinda subversive, then there's a problem ...
<wpwrak>
(article) nice and subtle. i wonder how they treat younger dissidents.
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: regarding Makefile.kicad, there'll be a larger announcement once i've documented it a bit (with a drawing). not sure if you want to have a teaser now and the real thing later, or wait for the diagram.
<wolfspraul>
it's written now, I just leave it there
<wolfspraul>
I have no doubts about the power of our news, we need to do more to spread the word
<wpwrak>
hehe ;-)
<wolfspraul>
high quality by itself will still not go many places
<wolfspraul>
I just added Jane's ascii comi
<wolfspraul>
comic
<wolfspraul>
I think I'm done now
<wolfspraul>
what do you think?
<wpwrak>
yes. the world still largely ignores us
<wpwrak>
lemme check ...
<wpwrak>
ah, you missed a few messages
<wpwrak>
| (ben-wpan production) not sure if tuxbrain already started the process with the SMT fab. he did with the PCB fab.
<wpwrak>
| it's not 100% truthful, because only one set of them went out. the other is mine. and the other three sets were already on their way. but it's a good approximation :)
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: very nice, thank you. I added the picture.
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: maybe reorder the ben-wpan entries such that one related to production is above the PCB images. e.g., first the prototypes, the first communication, tuxbrain taking the lead, and finally Makefile.kicad (which is what produced the images)
<wpwrak>
lots of love this month ;-)
<wolfspraul>
too much? let me count
<wolfspraul>
3 times, wow
<wolfspraul>
I removed one
<wolfspraul>
they just 'meet' now
<wolfspraul>
reordered
<wolfspraul>
what do you think now?
<wolfspraul>
yes, it's good now
<wolfspraul>
cool!
<wpwrak>
"Tuxbrain will lead ben-wpan production and has started the process with the SMT fab." -> PCB fab ?
<wolfspraul>
changed
<wolfspraul>
I will let this sink another hour or two, then push it out
<wpwrak>
the attic is a bit odd. it seems to suggest that the project has changed location, but nothing of that nature is indicated.
<wpwrak>
(captions) the ben+atduino was actually the one with the most love ... :)
<wpwrak>
well, i guess people will recognize the cable's shape also without explaining ...
<wolfspraul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
the attic is first of all a concept
<wolfspraul>
I don't like to write a lot of bla bla, so I was happy when I read this at Apache
<wolfspraul>
over time we may make it more clear what is in the attic and what not
<wolfspraul>
but it's about the definition, for now
<wolfspraul>
I did not find a link to go with the line that says that Tuxbrain will lead ben-wpan production.
<wolfspraul>
if you find something let me know, I'm offline for a bit
<wpwrak>
lemme see ...
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: do you remember having posted any kind of formal announcement anywhere that you'll make the wpan boards ? wolfgang is looking for a link for the monthly news
<DocScrutinizer>
(<wolfspraul> when computers are hunting people, people will win, I think --Â Â computers are just too stupid in the end) I hate it but alas I have to strictly disagree here. While particular individuals are maybe hard to 100% survey, the 99.9% factor is discouragingly effective here. And people in general are becoming more and more idiotic, ignorant, and even take fun in doing their own fulltime surveillance publicly for free
<DocScrutinizer>
somebody minted a nice saying yesterday in TV: all those smartphones PDA etc are all creating ever better databases profiling the user everywhere, and all those databases are at commercial companies and not at some Orwellian totalitarian gvmnt. We won't see big brother, long term we got the problem of the 1000 sisters
<DocScrutinizer>
e.g. seems Nokia would sponsor me to go to SanFran zo the meego-conference. Alas I can't do that as they require me to have and use a AmEx or similar credit card to order the tickets and they'd refund later. I refuse to get any credit card, out of general concerns against
<DocScrutinizer>
in that TV report they oracled that til 2017 smartphones will mnitor all your health relevant data, and you will get problems in several regards if you don't join in on the hype to do that (no health ensurance for you, sorry. No job. No drivers licence... you name it)
<Jay7>
DocScrutinizer: you missed 2012 year which should cleanup such locks :)
<wolfspraul>
thanks everybody for helping, and for making it possible in the first place :-)
<lekernel>
tuxbrain: the commands for programming the AVR breakout are scary :p
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (news) yay, and nice they are once more. congratulations !
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: btw, i wouldn't count on zigbee. seems that zigbee's importance is fading. e.g., most of the zigbee stack is getting replaced by 6lowpan. besides, they still have licensing terms on their standard that are incompatible with Free software.
<kyak>
Q: How many programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None, it's a hardware problem, man!
<wpwrak>
kyak: that's the bad think about projects like qi-hardware where the two are combined - you can't just blame the other side anymore
<larsc>
not?
<wpwrak>
larsc: well, we can always just blame lars ;-)
<larsc>
...
<kristianpaul>
lol
<kristianpaul>
kyak: not hw guy  problem  anymore, you are at qi ;-)
<DocScrutinizer>
yeah, QtMobility polling a proximity sensor sysfs node @ 100Hz. The sensor itself has a max freq of 2.5Hz - plus I thought there's a concept called kevents for that
<tuxbrain>
is not hardware or sofware, is the kerneL }:P
<DocScrutinizer>
then everybody starts shouting at EE about power hungry hw
<DocScrutinizer>
senserfw (in meego) exactly same - this time for LIS302 accelerometer. Ignorant fools
<DocScrutinizer>
that's what you get when script kiddies and math profs decide to develop system software
<DocScrutinizer>
dunno if that's annoying or just terribly sad
<kristianpaul>
"From Buenos Aires with love." sweet
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: 100 Hz for a 1.5 Hz sensor ? this rocks ! 66x Oversampling !! ;-)
<larsc>
better be on the safe side when you want to avoid aliasingeffects ;)
<DocScrutinizer>
yeah. For the lis302 it's way more complex to evaluate. Device orientation isn't even changing at such high rates as 2Hz, still you might want to poll at 400Hz (which I think is what they do, or was it 200?)
<DocScrutinizer>
in sensorfw of meego
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: i think you can get much more than 2 Hz in games. also, consider click-like movements
<DocScrutinizer>
yeah, I always wondered what this strange registers like click-threshold and doubleclick-timeout in lis302 are for, to be found somewhere next to IRQ generation § in ds
<DocScrutinizer>
and probably not even the designers of this chip had any idea WTF you need a highpass for in a g-meter
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: maybe they're thinking of making a mouse. you hit it or tilt it (or part of it) onto an obstacle (table or such) to click
<DocScrutinizer>
just added that thing as it sounds good
<wpwrak>
high-pass sounds interesting :)
<DocScrutinizer>
oooh, didn't think it's needed. So here they are: </irony>
<DocScrutinizer>
high pass is in fact a DC rejection aka differentiator/'edge-detector'
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: a gravity compensator ?
<DocScrutinizer>
hehe
<DocScrutinizer>
basically yes, alas only in the abstract domain
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: gravity compensator sounds a bit sensational ... but marketing should at least have made this an Ultra-High-Pass Filter
<kristianpaul>
mirko: Thanks !, great post  (rfm12b)