<wpwrak>
phew. refactoring shell scripts is evil work
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: are you moving them all to one location?
<wolfspraul>
or just internal refactoring for now?
<wpwrak>
internal refactoring. so far, the whole git checkout, profile cleanup, eeschema --plot, postscript hacking, gs ps->ppm, and ppm rotation all happened in a single script
<wpwrak>
(gitsch2ppm)
<wpwrak>
that one also took care of caching postscript between full-sized image and thumbnail generation
<wpwrak>
now that i want to make pdfs, i need to reach into the process, at the point where there are unmodified postscripts around
<wolfspraul>
ah OKkkkkkkkkk
<wolfspraul>
(sorry kbd...)
<wpwrak>
now i've broken that megascript down into its parts and converted the script to a wrapper that does exactly what it did before
<wpwrak>
the next step is to convert the callers of the wrapper to use the "inner" scripts instead of the wrapper. and then i can play with the postscripts.
<wpwrak>
i'll save the great unifying move for another day :)
<wpwrak>
rafa__: whee ! how is it ? i've never been there myself
<zear>
it's awesome
<zear>
i am here 22 years now, it's totally rad
<zear>
well, poland, not exactly warsaw ;)
<rafa__>
wpwrak: it is nice so far.. but we have not checked a lot of places
<rafa__>
we were sleeping :)
<wpwrak>
rafa__: drinking should be good there ;-)
<rafa__>
wpwrak: we had bad news though
<wpwrak>
oh ?
<rafa__>
zear: i forgot to tell you
<zear>
oh?
<rafa__>
zear: wpwrak when we were in our way to madrid airport
<rafa__>
somebody opened the backpack of Miriam (zear: my gf)
<wpwrak>
argh !!!
<zear>
did they steal anything?
<rafa__>
and the new nanonote was stolen
<zear>
seriously?
<rafa__>
also a little pck of euros coins
<zear>
damn
<wpwrak>
:-((
<zear>
well, they will have hard time selling the nanonote
<rafa__>
zear: yes.. the nanonote would be a gift for some guy in BA
<wpwrak>
at least the thieves know what to go for
<rafa__>
zear: they will not use it much
<wpwrak>
well, now we just have to wait for this guy to show up here with questions ...
<zear>
yeah
<rafa__>
wpwrak: :)
<rafa__>
but no nice
<zear>
though this is a very sad news
<rafa__>
we were to the tuxbrain town to buy it
<rafa__>
personally
<rafa__>
so it has a little of story
<rafa__>
and it ended fast
<zear>
should blizzard consider himself lucky that he's getting one by post?
<rafa__>
zear: maybe.. no idea
<zear>
this is a shame a thief stolen a nanonote, he won't even know how to use it
<zear>
and nanonote costs a lot, too
<rafa__>
zear: wpwrak : we also saw at tuxbrain place the nanowar version
<zear>
rafa__, just be careful with the dingoo i'm donating to you ;)
<rafa__>
with the modified jlime version inside
<rafa__>
and videos of the metl band ;)
<rafa__>
metl
<wpwrak>
rafa__: ("heavy ben") whee ! which reminds me .. he still doesn't have the counterweights
<rafa__>
zear: i can tell you that we extremely serious checking our pockets, bags, and luggage
<wpwrak>
rafa__: maybe you can pick up a another one on when you return. if you have friends in madrid, perhaps he could mail it to them
<rafa__>
zear: shit people every place in this world
<rafa__>
wpwrak: no friends in madrid.. just in ibiza so far
<rafa__>
well, we go to ibiza as well
<zear>
rafa__, well, the people of certain ethnicity (won't tell the names because of this channel being logged) who are in great numbers in spain, are known to steal from people at the airports
<wpwrak>
rafa__: in a way, it makes sense. first their immigration laws force many people to carry lots of valuables. second, no surprise that the thieves realize that, too ...
<zear>
rafa__, i'm always super safe with my valuables
<rafa__>
zear: i think that it was in the subway
<zear>
i always carry them in a separate backpack, i keep my hands on
<rafa__>
the safe subway of spain :P
<zear>
rafa__, if that will comfort you, we have no subway in poland ;)
<rafa__>
haha
<rafa__>
zear: the no nice thing is tht we were super careful as well
<zear>
heh
<zear>
rafa__, at least here you can leave all the precious stuff in the hostel
<zear>
it is sad it was a nanonote though
<rafa__>
and surely in just a second where we did not check that
<zear>
a thief will have no use of it
<rafa__>
happened
<rafa__>
zear: i think so (to leave all the stuff in the hostel)
<zear>
rafa__, do you have a serial number or anything?
<rafa__>
nope
<zear>
heh
<zear>
any marks on the case?
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain may have the serial number
<rafa__>
zear: of the nn?
<zear>
rafa__, yes
<rafa__>
no.. t was really new
<zear>
something so we could know this is this unit when we spot it on ebay
<rafa__>
with the package untouched
<zear>
what system was installed into it?
<zear>
also, was it with the box, cleaning cloth, usb cable, carbonated button?
<rafa__>
zear: no idea.. maybe openwrt because tuxbrain is not selliing the nanowar version yet
<rafa__>
zear: yes the whole box
<rafa__>
untouched
<zear>
that will be hard to trace :(
<zear>
but still, we might monitor the net
<zear>
does tuxbrain know about it already?
<rafa__>
no
<zear>
should we tall him? So he can tell us what spanish sites to monitor
<rafa__>
it is my first internet connection after that happened today in madrid
<zear>
:(
<rafa__>
zear: yes, we can tell him. no idea if that will be useful. a lot of time checking
<zear>
this is really sad and not right. I mean, stealing anything is not right, but stealing open hardware is wrong on all the levels
<zear>
rafa__, but that is a very unusual hardware
<rafa__>
yes
<zear>
we have a great chance of spotting it
<rafa__>
maybe tuxbrain knows where to check
<zear>
i hope so
<wpwrak>
well, fortunately nothing more valuable was stolen. i'm sure you can arrange to get another one on your trip if you have a few hours to spare in madrid.
<zear>
wpwrak, at least for polish conditions, nanonote is VERY valuable ;)
<wpwrak>
zear: no laptops or smartphones in poland ? :)
<zear>
wpwrak, i don't give a damn about laptops :P
<rafa__>
wpwrak: well, i am not sure if we want to spend another 100 more for the gift
<zear>
this is a nanonote, it costed me ~400PLN including shipment and custom fees
<zear>
and 1400PLN is a regular in poland
<wpwrak>
rafa__: ah, i see. getting kinda expensive, yes.
<zear>
so you can guess it's a good couple of days of hard work
<rafa__>
zear: what is that in euros? :)
<zear>
rafa__, wolfram says it's 100 EUR
<wpwrak>
zear: so what is PLN 1400 ? PLN 400 would be just about the normal price. nothing outrageous. it would be more expensive in argentina :)
<zear>
wpwrak, 350EUR, this is the monthly salary in poland
<zear>
but working in mc donalds or in the warehouse would make you even less money
<wpwrak>
zear: ah, i see. yes, in relative terms, it's not cheap then.
<zear>
wpwrak, at least we can have a satisfaction that the thief won't be able to sell this nanonote
<zear>
or he will try to fiddle with it and maybe convert into linux faith :D
<wpwrak>
zear: yeah. now if it just had a remote destruct function ... :)
<zear>
it's linux, we can implement it ;D
<zear>
wpwrak, but that might be a good idea, set an option, that if you're going on a trip you can set it to yell "a thief, a thief!" when someone opens it up :D
<wpwrak>
zear: they probably don't check their loot until when they're at a safe place. but nice idea anyway :)
<zear>
i know
<zear>
but still
<zear>
it would be useless until you usb boot and reflash it
<rafa__>
needto go
<rafa__>
cya geeks
<zear>
rafa__, cya
<zear>
i also need to rest
<wpwrak>
rafa__: cya ! have a few nice beers to wash down the unplansantness ! :)
<zear>
i will take care of that ;D
<zear>
damn, i'm taking a lot of stuff with me to warsaw
<wpwrak>
and more toys are on their way from digi-key ;-)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: wich ones ??
<kristianpaul>
cuirios as always ;)
<kristianpaul>
curious*
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: more at86rf230, various integrated baluns to try, a bunch of beads, a collection of rf cables and connectors, and a silver pen. never used the latter but i'm curious if might simplify some rework.
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: ah, and a few ft232r. important detail :)
<kristianpaul>
:)
<kristianpaul>
more idbg chips btw?
<wpwrak>
i still have ~20 of the c8051f326
<wpwrak>
they're used in idbg and the ben-wpan usb dongle. for the frequency counter, i use the c8051f320
<kristianpaul>
woo a lot
<kristianpaul>
you should sell me a idbg some day ;)
<wpwrak>
the ft232r will be the basis for my new in-circuit programmer for the c8051f32x series. right now, i still use a freerunner plus debug board combo for this. awkward and quite a barrier for anyone wanting to reproduce my circuits.
<wpwrak>
you can make your own ;-)
<kristianpaul>
hey :)
<kristianpaul>
i like that
<kristianpaul>
sure have tow boards here and more coming
<kristianpaul>
s/tow/two
<wpwrak>
two boards of what ?
<kristianpaul>
ft232r
<kristianpaul>
i think the right word is breakout baords i'm not sure...
<wpwrak>
ah ! i'm just getting the chips. much more fun to design your own boards :)
<wpwrak>
ironically, it may even be more efficient in many cases, because you can also customize all the mechanical aspects
<kristianpaul>
well i can get the chips in bogota so is okay :)
<wpwrak>
of course, the little cnc mill i have downstairs is quite helpful for getting boards to look the way i want :) (e.g., i wish anyone luck cutting something like the ben-wpan board with a dremel)
<kristianpaul>
ohh
<kristianpaul>
dam my reprap is nothing good for milling :/
<wpwrak>
ah yes, you're luck to have a local chip source. i haven't found anything useful yet. well, i didn't search too hard. digi-key are quick and painless.
<wpwrak>
you could try to print your boards :) extrude some fr4, then silver-ink on top :)
<kristianpaul>
i think this guys in bogota are figikey disitrrbuidores
<kristianpaul>
heh why not ;)
<kristianpaul>
well accuracy is the problemm..
<wpwrak>
some of the shops i know around here have amazingly good prices, but they only have old-fashioned components. and poor logistics - you never know what they may actually have in stock.
<kristianpaul>
true
<wpwrak>
(accuracy) i guess those 4 mil traces could be a bit of a challenge :)
<kristianpaul>
how accurate is your cnc?
<wpwrak>
hmm, hard to say. the positioning is quite accurate, maybe 1/40 mm or better. the problem is usually in the rigidity of the fixture and the table. the table flexes a bit in the z direction, which often makes things hard to predict.
<kristianpaul>
hmm sort of same with 3d printing
<kristianpaul>
hot nozzle is ont accurate some tmes...
<wpwrak>
well, things like milling pcbs with 6 mil bits and such. so far, none of my attempts at that was successful. i'll need to get some thicker endmills.
<wpwrak>
i'd very much like to be able to mill my pcbs. should be faster than toner transfer plus acid (although i've optimized that one pretty well by now), and it would eliminate registration problems on at least one side. plus, i could do any drilling at the same time, too.
<wpwrak>
right now it's cutting with the mill (or dremel, if it's something simple), then toner transfer and etching, and drilling manually.
<kristianpaul>
i dint like tonnet transfer cause the acid part
<kristianpaul>
i always get dirty :/
<wpwrak>
since i have big registration problems on two-sided boards with toner transfer, via drills are almost always heavily tiled. not nice.
<kristianpaul>
bye bye jean...
<wpwrak>
you're not supposed to *splash* the acid around ! :-)
<kristianpaul>
hides
<kristianpaul>
but drops just bring to me :p
<kristianpaul>
i just need more experience i dont do boards all days
<wpwrak>
what acid do you use ? ferric chloride ?
<kristianpaul>
yes
<kristianpaul>
locally and cheap avaliabl
<kristianpaul>
e
<kristianpaul>
localyy i mean inmy town
<wpwrak>
that stuff sucks. stains as hell and you need to warm it up, which adds a lot of problems on its own.
<wpwrak>
there's a MUCH better solution. cheaper, too. HCl and peroxide.
<kristianpaul>
ahhh
<kristianpaul>
i need quote those then :)
<wpwrak>
works at room temperature, about twice as fast as ferric chloride, it's a clear liquid, and it stays clean when using, not the brown-black sludge you get with ferric cloride.
<kristianpaul>
so i can re-use more than ferric.. ?
<wpwrak>
hcl you get at any hardware store (ferreteria). peroxide at any pharmacy.
<wpwrak>
mix two parts peroide (at the concentration you get at pharmacies - it's pretty weak. no need to get the stronger stuff) with one part of HCl and you're all set. couldn't be easier.
<wpwrak>
i'm not sure about reuse. supposedly, long reuse is possible, but you probably have to put it into a bottle to prevent the peroxide from escaping.
<wpwrak>
i just make small quantities so that i don't have much waste. and small boards to start with ;-)
<wpwrak>
of course, since the stuff costs next to nothing, it's not a big deal to have to discard some. only issue is neutralizing it. i toss a bit of NaOH (caustic soda) into the glass, quickly get away, and hope for the best :)
<wpwrak>
also caustic soda is easily available at any hardware store. it's actually quite surprising that ferric chloride is so popular, when you can get much better materials so easily.
<kristianpaul>
huy muy caro en cali esta mas barato
<wpwrak>
only two issues with that acid: 1) it's more aggressive than ferric cloride, so you should be careful not to spill it. 2) it's clear, so you won't see the spills so easily and someone (kids, drunken guests, etc.)Â Â may even think it's something they can drink.
<kristianpaul>
drunken guests??
<wpwrak>
friends who come over for a drink, girls you pick up at a bar/club, folks that come when you're having a party, etc.
<kristianpaul>
yeah sure..
<kristianpaul>
dont have that kind of social activities yet..
<wpwrak>
so you can safely do all the chemistry you want ;-)
<kristianpaul>
yeah !
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: nice, that's good!
<wolfspraul>
I'm wondering whether they want to sell those FooPlugs later too, or just have whatever thing to attach the donation to?
<wolfspraul>
if they can make money that way - more power to them
<kristianpaul>
interesting
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: btw, how is the next ben run going ?
<wolfspraul>
in sourcing I think. I don't check every day, too many things moving.
<wolfspraul>
and no, there will be no changes :-) none.
<wolfspraul>
let's call it stability :-)
<wpwrak>
dang. and i was so counting on the 20" widescreen and the umts modem :)
<wolfspraul>
the umts modem of course with your chip antenna design and osmocombb-3g/lte
<wpwrak>
chip antennas are lame. pcb antennas rule ! ;-)
<wpwrak>
well, it would admittedly be cool to cook our own designer ceramics ...
<wpwrak>
"designer" not for the shape but for the physical properties. almost all the interesting things in material science happen these days with ceramics.
<kristianpaul>
how is that wpwrak ?
<kristianpaul>
ceramics?
<wolfspraul>
oh no, don't get him started...
<kristianpaul>
sorry :)
<wpwrak>
;-))
<wolfspraul>
next time I go to Buenos Aires I will see an apartment that is half turned into a diy ceramics lab
<kristianpaul>
hides this chanel from his view
<kristianpaul>
lol
<kristianpaul>
:)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: well, think "high temperature" superconductors. they're all based on sophisticated ceramic mixtures.
<wpwrak>
also lots of electronics use special ceramics: capacitors, inductors, oscillators, antennas, ...
<kristianpaul>
i wasnt aware about atennas
<kristianpaul>
great
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: naw, 1/3 is already office and lab. taking another 50% from this would start to interfere with essentials :)
<kristianpaul>
hey seems worthly travel to argentina this days :)
<kristianpaul>
and i jsut need my passort i think :)
<kristianpaul>
hope still*
<wpwrak>
argentina is a good place to visit :)
<rafa>
kristianpaul: do you want to visit us? :)
<kristianpaul>
rafa: why not :)
<kristianpaul>
we speak same languiage
<kristianpaul>
same side of the world
<kristianpaul>
is not that bad :)
<rafa>
wpwrak: we were out for a while but because we do not much the city we just buy some beers and we are again in hostel enjoying wifi :)
<kristianpaul>
hmm mmc source code is now in openwrt inst?
<rafa>
kristianpaul: yeah ;)
<wpwrak>
rafa: ah, so you'll go exploring tomorrow :)