<zear>
say, why Ben NanoNote has no wikipedia article yet?
<kyak>
because it's cooler than that? :)
<zear>
oh wikipedia being an open source project is equally cool ;)
<zear>
i don't feel being in a position to write an article about it, but i encourage you guys to do it :)
<zear>
we need publicity, remember how slashdot (or whatever it was) article doubled the sales?
<wolfspraul>
he :-) sales are good indeed :-)
<kyak>
how many so far?
<wolfspraul>
but don't you think too many totally irrelevant projects and people abuse wikipedia for stupid marketing reasons?
<wolfspraul>
I'd say at this point NanoNote is about as relevant as any random new cake creation in a pastry shop :-)
<zear>
wolfspraul, that's true, but Ben NanoNote is a real hardware, it's a commercial product for a couple of months already, there's a lot of articles in the internet to quote
<wolfspraul>
I definitely won't sit down and write a euphemistic article about it...
<zear>
so it deserves an article on the wiki
<wolfspraul>
yeah, but I respect the Wikipedia project and their goals. Flooding it with irrelevant stuff is bad.
<zear>
oh it has to meet the POV
<wolfspraul>
our case should slowly get stronger, I'm not worried
<wolfspraul>
kyak: we sold about 900 to date I think
<zear>
i mean, NPOV, as in neutral point of view ;)
<zear>
wolfspraul, Jlime, heck, even Kristoffer, it's author have their own wiki arts
<zear>
and there are 4 wiki articles linking to nonexistant "Ben NanoNote" article
<zear>
oh, and on the other news, we in jlime are staying in contact with http://humaneinfo.com and trying to make his wikireader software run on the nanonote :)
<wolfspraul>
yes rafa mentioned it - cool
<zear>
his 2009 enwiki dump is only 1.1GB, that's enough to be fit on nano's nand
<zear>
rafa wants to incorporate it with his gnudict port
<wolfspraul>
great
<zear>
the only disadvantage of that will be lack of support for links, but that isn't really a big loss
<zear>
as you can type anything in the search area any time you want
<zear>
i'm really excited about this project
<bartbes>
zear: the dead links might mean that an article existed but was removed
<bartbes>
as happened to me once
<zear>
bartbes, i doubt, they are all in articles about opensource/open hardware projects, as one of the examples of such projects
<zear>
btw wolfspraul, is the initial batch sold out yet?
<wolfspraul>
zear: about 100 left
<hallo99>
I want to replace the rootfs with my own rootfs, I found a guide at http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ubifs, but this guide assumes I am doing it on the nanonte, how can that work, if I replace the original rootfs?
<hallo99>
how do I replace the rootfs via usbboot, can I just do mkfs.ubifs and flash this via usbboot?
<hallo99>
If I just want to reflash the rootfs over usb, do I have to use an image created directly by mkfs.ubifs, or do I have to modify that image somehow?
<xiangfu>
hallo99: there are two option to test your rootfs.
<xiangfu>
1. flash to NAND: the image must ubifs format. yes. we must create the image by mkfs.ubifs
<xiangfu>
2. copy your rootfs to SD card. boot the system from sd card.
<xiangfu>
format your first sd card partition to ext2. then copy your rootfs to that partition. copy the kernel to SDCARD:/boot/uImage.
<xiangfu>
hold the KEY_M when poweron. NanoNote will boot to sdcard.
<hallo99>
I don't own an micro-sd card, so option 2 is not for me
<hallo99>
If I want to flash via usbboot, I do 1. mkfs.ubifs and 2. usbboot? I don't have to do ubinize and ubiformat and ubiattach?
<wolfspraul>
rafa: yes correct, cleaning up a bit
<wolfspraul>
upticked mediawiki, fixed a css problem on downloads
<wolfspraul>
optimized the spamassassin config
<wolfspraul>
want to get rid of the unstable qi-commits and use eggdrop for all irc stuff
<wolfspraul>
want to merge the developer list into the discussion list
<wolfspraul>
preparing to help Sebastien with a new Milkymist website designed by rez/corelabs
<wolfspraul>
and so on
<rafa>
wow.. big TODO list.. nice
<rafa>
(for today) :)
<kristianpaul>
:)
<wolfspraul>
yeah, I also need to get to some more risky things, like removing the partition block from the virtual machine. somehow it's always causing a hang on restarts...
<wolfspraul>
anyway, out now, n8 everybody
<kristianpaul>
nite
<rafa>
cya
<bartbes>
wait
<kristianpaul>
rafa: new news??
<bartbes>
he says goodnight at 16:30?!
<rafa>
haha
<rafa>
kristianpaul: no good news yet. Waiting for the human wikireader author answer
<kristianpaul>
bartbes: he is the other side of the globe
<rafa>
kristianpaul: I wrote him twice
<kristianpaul>
ok \
<bartbes>
kristianpaul: then how come his hostname is german?
<rafa>
kristianpaul: and I was thinking how to go further if his answer is not useful for us :)
<kristianpaul>
cant wait.. ;)
<kristianpaul>
bartbes: sshing
<rafa>
I do not have great idea yet though :P
<bartbes>
but why not use ssh+screen and leave the session open?
<bartbes>
too much questions, I know..
<kristianpaul>
bartbes: :)
<kristianpaul>
rafa: use grep !
<kristianpaul>
:p
<rafa>
bartbes: if you do that then that is why you want to read the whole buffer chat session that you did not read.. I think that wolfgang does not have enough time for that :)
<kristianpaul>
may be ack-grep modified to wikipedia articls
<rafa>
that is because*
<kristianpaul>
yes time is wothly this days
<rafa>
kristianpaul: we need a tiny dump wikipedia first, and we need to know :
<rafa>
- how to make that tiny wikipedia dump < 2GB
<kristianpaul>
binary !
<rafa>
- how to get articles from it
<kristianpaul>
grep ! :p
<bartbes>
rafa: that raises the question, why ssh at all?
<kristianpaul>
rafa: buy for that size or binary or really good compressed
<kristianpaul>
ah
<bartbes>
I can probably ask an infinite amount of questions, so it's not like you *have* to answer that one
<kristianpaul>
like wikipediam dumops right now !
<kristianpaul>
at least for spanish
<kristianpaul>
is less than 2GB
<rafa>
bartbes: perhaps if you use a standard system without many applications installed you will need ssh
<kristianpaul>
but you need indexsome how
<kristianpaul>
rafa: i think you should write to the wikpedia dumpreader developer
<kristianpaul>
if you dint already?..
<rafa>
bartbes: perhaps I do not have.. but infinite amount of question have infine amount of answers for every question ;)
<rafa>
kristianpaul: english dump is around 6GB these days
<bartbes>
is that true? then why isn't the dna of a duck equal to that of a donkey?
<bartbes>
:P
<kristianpaul>
rafa: yess :(
<kristianpaul>
lets speak all spanish then :)
<rafa>
bartbes: because they live in the same era
<rafa>
kristianpaul: ;-)
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<kristianpaul>
thewre is dumps for the simple english wikipedia?
<kristianpaul>
wikireader@decideur.info
<rafa>
kristianpaul: I know how to index and how to retrieve articles if we know how to make dumps <2GB
<rafa>
I am not worried about how to do indexes and how to get articles. The main problem is to have a wikipedia dump <2GB
<bartbes>
a more serious question, why can't I just use mips-*-make instead of having to go through the trouble to get that package system set up? :P
<bartbes>
(I don't expect an answer, I know it isn't that easy)
<kristianpaul>
rafa: indeed
<kristianpaul>
btw the wikireader devices uses 4gb sd no?
<kristianpaul>
so thats a challenge get <2GB
<rafa>
bartbes: because you have not set a toolchain. For jlime we have one, and you just want to build a just application you do not need to build the whole system.
<rafa>
why do not you use the Makefile that every application provides?
<bartbes>
because it doesn't work that way
<rafa>
lot of hard work
<rafa>
extra
<bartbes>
if you read the page you'll see why
<bartbes>
it's not like I need to tell it how to compile
<bartbes>
the makefile is purely for instructing the toolchain how to build the application
<rafa>
nah.. I prefer just download the application and build. No extra work. Or, if you need many applications you would use Debian or another more complete building system ;)
<bartbes>
I'm.. porting.. something..
<rafa>
now I understand why there are millions of new mails talking about application ported to openwrt... :)
<bartbes>
well yeah
<bartbes>
I'm currently failing to port a test app
<bartbes>
:P
<bartbes>
I did manage to port physfs with lots of help from jirkab
<bartbes>
that only took 8 hours :D
<bartbes>
(including setting up the toolchain etc)
<kyak>
xiangfu: ruby host-compile build fails for me
<kyak>
xiangfu: let me know if you experience the same on a clean build
<xiangfu>
kyak: I start to build the openwrt-xburst everyday.(I start to this two days ago, so it's only compile twice :) all compile fine.
<xiangfu>
kyak: what is the error message?
<xiangfu>
kyak: maybe we miss some package in your system.
<kyak>
xiangfu: the error has appeared after package update
<rafa>
xiangfu: my professor tried to build openwrt to get the uboot for SAKC.
<rafa>
He found this directory : openwrt-xburst/build_dir/linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-sakc
<rafa>
but you said me that I should copy build_dir/linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-qi_lb60/u-boot-2010.06/
<rafa>
to get the sources of uboot for sakc
<rafa>
if that directory (openwrt-xburst/build_dir/linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-sakc) obsolete?
<xiangfu>
rafa: the code is the same.
<rafa>
xiangfu: ah.. okey :)
<xiangfu>
rafa: the only different is that which different option.
<rafa>
okey.. but if I copy build_dir/linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-qi_lb60/u-boot-2010.06/ as you
<rafa>
suggested me
<rafa>
and then
<rafa>
make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-openwrt-linux- sakc_config
<xiangfu>
rafa: yes.
<rafa>
I will get the proper code to build the uboot for sakc
<xiangfu>
rafa: yes.
<rafa>
okey, thanks a lot xiangfu
<xiangfu>
rafa: if we select the sakc in bootloader option. (in make menuconfig). then we have have a folder like: /linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-sakc
<rafa>
we were confused because he found the other u-boot-sakc
<xiangfu>
rafa: if we select the qi_lb60 in menuconfig. then we will get a folder like /linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-xburst
<xiangfu>
rafa: the source code is exactly the same. only different is :
<xiangfu>
u-boot-sake run " make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-openwrt-linux- sakc_config"
<xiangfu>
u-boot-xburst run "make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-openwrt-linux- qi_lb60_config"
<rafa>
xiangfu: okey, so I did this :
<rafa>
make package/uboot-xburst/compile
<rafa>
then I copied : build_dir/linux-xburst_qi_lb60/u-boot-qi_lb60/u-boot-2010.06
<rafa>
to /tmp for example.
<rafa>
Then I did that you suggested me :
<rafa>
make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-linux- distclean
<rafa>
make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-linux- sakc_config
<rafa>
make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-linux-
<rafa>
and I got the binary :)
<xiangfu>
yes.
<xiangfu>
u-boot-nand.bin is for NAND.
<rafa>
my toolchain is mipsel-linux- .. that is why I did not use mipsel-openwrt-linux-
<rafa>
xiangfu: thans a lot man
<xiangfu>
rafa: you are welcome.
<bartbes>
muahahahaha ?:)
<bartbes>
I'm finally getting the hang of it
<bartbes>
oh and that is supposed to be >, though I probably do have a big curl
<xiangfu>
rafa: in fact the "ARCH=mips" is not needed by uboot(it's only needed by compile kernel). I make an alias crossmake='make ARCH=mips CROSS_COMPILE=mipsel-openwrt-linux-' then I can easy type 'crossmake' to compile uboot and kernel. just for your information. :)
<xiangfu>
bartbes: it's compile fine?
<rafa>
xiangfu: ha!.. cool tip ;)
<bartbes>
xiangfu: I'm doing something else which is finally progressing
<bartbes>
too bad it's a test
<bartbes>
and not the final product
<wpwrak>
hmm, what exactly needs 5 V in the sakc ? almost all modern chips want at most 3.3 V ...
<bartbes>
I thought 5V was still considered logic high
<superLinda>
I see a lot of people on this chat, but not a lot of action.  How active is this community?
<mth>
the chat activity is a bit random
<mth>
we have people from many time zones here, but they're not always active at the same time
<superLinda>
I see
<mth>
a relatively high number of users are also developers, so there are a lot of things being worked on
<superLinda>
Thats I want to become
<superLinda>
a developer
<superLinda>
so how come you do not have a nanonote?
<mth>
I'm actually a developer for the Dingoo, but since that has the same Ingenic SoC chip as its heart as the NanoNote I hang around here as well
<superLinda>
is the Dingoo and project that Qi is working on?
<mth>
the Dingoo is a Chinese portable media player / game console
<mth>
it's a completely unrelated company, but the hardware is similar
<mth>
I used the drivers that larsc wrote for the NanoNote and used them to make a more modern kernel for the Dingoo
<mth>
the Dingoo doesn't come with Linux, but thanks to the USB boot mode and the efforts of a guy nicknamed booboo it does run Linux now (Dingoo Linux aka Dingux)