<unclouded>
I'm trying to port a package to OpenWRT and I say "make package/vice/{clean,compile} V=99" and it says "make[2]: Nothing to be done for `compile'.".  Why would it say this?
<larsc>
no Package/vice/install section
<unclouded>
does that stop it compiling?  I did comment that section out temporarily
<larsc>
yes
<unclouded>
thanks very much.  that's sorted it
<qwebirc93558>
hi, Ive installed Debian but I cant apt-get update due to the size of the repo (i think) can anyone help?
<unclouded>
have you set up some swap?  apt-get update uses a lot of memory I think
<qwebirc93558>
I think that's the problem, how do i set up swap and should i keep it , i figured swap wouldn't be a good idea on flash memory
<unclouded>
have you installed to SD or to the NAND?
<qwebirc93558>
to the NAND
<unclouded>
have you got a micro-SD to use for swap? it's obviously a lot easier and cheaper to replace a micro-SD than you NAND if you -do- swap it to death
<qwebirc93558>
no i'm limited to the NAND for now
<unclouded>
sorry I don't know how to set up swap on NAND.  do you know if swap can work with NBDs?  that might be an option assuming you don't need swap when you're on the road
<kyak>
wejp: btw, you should better make md5sums of your releases publically available...
<wejp>
kyak, you got a point there, i already wanted to do that, but somewhat forgot about it
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: i think i finally found a paint for the counterweight i like. it's epoxy-based is applied on top of a primer. nice tough shiny surface. i should have the whole batch ready tomorrow night. now, how will i get them to you ?
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: your choices include regular mail, fedex, dhl, ups, tnt, or ems. maybe there are more, but i would have to check if we have them here.
<bartbes>
emergency medical services?
<wpwrak>
bartbes: Express Mail Service - the response of the national postal organizations to the courier services
<bartbes>
;)
<wpwrak>
bartbes: often cheaper than the others. tracking isn't as good (only origin and destination, but nothing in between), and it can be a bit slower. here in argentina, ems has some interesting differences from other couriers in customs treatment.
<bartbes>
wasn't tuxbrain2 in... spain?
<tuxbrain2>
wpwrak: I don't know regular mail in argentina , but in spain is a mess (I don't say any stronger word due this channel is loggeg :P)
<bartbes>
woo my stalking powers still exist!
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: regular mail is also pretty slow. it seems to be more or less reliable, though. that is, unless you're sending valuables. then it's very reliable, too, but in a different way.
<tuxbrain2>
I have also a bad experience with EMS (a package from wolfgang has never arrived, good bye spark batteries and rubber buttons :()
<tuxbrain2>
tell me the weight and dimensions on the packages and I will agree a pick up with my courier
<tuxbrain2>
send me also in private where to pickup :)
<tuxbrain2>
my mail david@tuxbrain.com
<bartbes>
oh no
<bartbes>
that is logged! ;)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: the package will be about 500 g. not very big, maybe 10 x 10 x 3 cm or such. depends on what sort of box i find.
<tuxbrain2>
hehehe that mail is everywhere  , so well I want it to be as spreaded as it can, and well maybe someday I decide to enlarge my ..... or buy some blue pills, or promote my site to maximum with the most fantastics visit rates!!!
<bartbes>
haha
<bartbes>
get some nice brides over from russia etc
<tuxbrain2>
yes!! I laugh a lot when a see the same russia girl also from Ukraine, and the most LOL of all in a banner where I can date her in my own town :)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: so you remmeber them ;-)
<tuxbrain2>
thinks this girl is searchin for me :P
<tuxbrain2>
my brain works in non standard way, I can remember a lot of useless things but I can forget If I have dinner or not :P
<bartbes>
heh same here
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: good that your stomach will to the thinking for you in this case :)
<bartbes>
I can forget stuff like birthdays (not like I miss them, but just totally forget the dates) and names
<bartbes>
but I remember seemingly random numbers for example
<tuxbrain2>
for desperation of my mother before and now my wife, my daughter is only 4 years old but she repeats the importat things for her to me more than twice :)
<bartbes>
"Yeah, I bought that for 90 cents" me: "82 cents actually"
<bartbes>
that kind of shit
<tuxbrain2>
bartbes: we must build a club :)
<bartbes>
or like when people say something I remember it
<bartbes>
but when they later say "Yeah, tuesday is going to be fun!"
<bartbes>
I'm like "What the hell is happening tuesday?"
<tuxbrain2>
tuesday what happens tuesday
<tuxbrain2>
hahaahhahah
<tuxbrain2>
yeaH!
<bartbes>
and when they say the first 2 words I'm like "OOoh.. tuesday..."
<bartbes>
at least I know my shit when it comes to programming
<bartbes>
:3
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: i'll let you know when i have the thing ready for shipping. probably thursday morning.
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: i also need to find out if it makes sense to send you some for wolfgang or not. do you often ship things to him ?
<tuxbrain2>
wpwrak: ok if my courier agent is not on holidays I will ask for quote for pick up with your data
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: which courier it is ?
<tuxbrain2>
wpwrak: not not really is usually the inverse, you know , he made nanos , :P
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: yeah, that's what surprised me a bit in his suggestion :) but then i though perhaps there are returns or such.
<tuxbrain2>
wpwrak: he usually use UPS (good balance between price/service in country and EU) but on international Import/export is too expensive and for this is cheaper TNT
<tuxbrain2>
so TNT the most probably
<tuxbrain2>
wpwrak: who knows maybe he plans to visit his preffered distributor
<tuxbrain2>
:)
<bartbes>
tnt being the dutch company?
<tuxbrain2>
bartbes: mmm I don't know, I just go 25m to my couriers office :P any problem with dutch people (apart than his football fairplay sucks :P)
<tuxbrain2>
dutch=Netherlands , isn't it?
<bartbes>
yes
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: about USD 100 it seems
<tuxbrain2>
I think the will offer me a better price :)
<tuxbrain2>
the->they
<wpwrak>
nice :)
<tuxbrain2>
bartbes: yes, Netherlands or yes, I have problems with dutch?
<tuxbrain2>
:P
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain2: using "dutch" and "fair play" in the same sentence after their recent performance is already mildly offensive :)
<wolfspraul>
ok I see, unfortunately I have no idea what the right command could be
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: btw, now that the counterweights will travel to tuxbrain by courier, does it really make sense to send yours there as well ? he said that he doesn't usually ship things to you, and you mentioned that you wouldn't go there anytime soon either.
<wolfspraul>
he
<wolfspraul>
rafa will not take any now?
<wpwrak>
naw, tuxbrain confirmed his worries about hostile spanish immigration
<wolfspraul>
wow, depressing
<wpwrak>
they do seem to be pretty bad. he knows people who have been sent back.
<wolfspraul>
I don't need the counterweight urgently, and I hate to waste more in shipping, so let's wait a bit I look for a good opportunity.
<wpwrak>
okay. they should age well :)
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
you feel better now? (flu)
<wpwrak>
yeah. weird bug. sunday i was asleep almost all day. monday morning i felt good. the afternoon like a zombie. today was good again. let's see what tomorrow brings :)
<wpwrak>
i see that the 12 MHz crystal has a tolerance of 30 ppm. very good :) that way, the cpu could probbaly be used to feed a clock to the RF transceiver. (needs 16 MHz at 40 ppm)
<wpwrak>
of course, those 30 ppm are probably 30 ppm base tolerance plus thermal tolerance, which is often the same again. so it may not be quite perfect.
<wpwrak>
(the crystal is a bit of a problem when trying to fit the circuit into the display case. it needs a large trace-free area for itself. so this means either a big board or at least 4 layers. feeding an external clock signal would avoid needing a crystal for rf.)
<wpwrak>
(still have to check if the 4740 can actually generate a 16 MHz signal in its present configuration, though)
<wolfspraul>
ok, sounds interesting
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: btw, when do you think the time will come for a MilkyMist NanoNote ?
<wolfspraul>
he
<wolfspraul>
in 5 years :-)
<wolfspraul>
don't know
<wolfspraul>
there are so many things moving now, and not enough sales yet. I first need to do more work to generate more sales.
<wpwrak>
quite a while :)
<wpwrak>
ah yes, always that money :)
<wolfspraul>
well it's an almost endless todo list, isn't it?
<wolfspraul>
but definitely that's on the horizon
<wpwrak>
(MM NN) i mean, with FPGA. not ASIC or such.
<wolfspraul>
if the power consumption is acceptable. I don't know, it's way too early.
<wolfspraul>
step by step
<wolfspraul>
we are gearing up for the next milkymist run btw, rc2
<wpwrak>
i'm asking because sebastian was concerned that his project wasn't getting much attention from developers. i wonder if it may be mainly seen as a gadget for VJs, not as a Free SoC. changing the setting may affect this perception.
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: do you develop an interest in milkymist?
<wolfspraul>
oh totally
<wpwrak>
also, the fpga isn't particularly big
<wolfspraul>
in my experience technology and marketing are two totally separate thngs
<wolfspraul>
we have done a little bit of NanoNote marketing, with some success, not much but some
<wolfspraul>
Sebastien has done some for Milkyist too, again not that much
<wpwrak>
(mm) it looks like solid work. too slow to compete, of course, but that may be in no small part because it's in an fpga.
<wolfspraul>
so we need to get back at the marketing game, definitely
<wolfspraul>
work with journalists, get the word out, etc. it's hard.
<wolfspraul>
I do believe our fundamentals are good though, as a whole (the whole copyleft hardware project).
<wpwrak>
well, the main appeal of MM would be technology :) maybe it could get some interest from the Free religious front too, of course
<wolfspraul>
so yes, of course, it needs to be seen as a Free SoC, and as another ARM/MIPS
<wpwrak>
(marketing) the ben could indeed use a push or two. but what would do that - and could happen relatively soon and without too much work ?
<wpwrak>
at least the thebeez blog seems to have created some attention. mainly .nl-local though, it seems
<wolfspraul>
oh the Ben itself got quite good coverage, I cannot complain
<wolfspraul>
engadget, slashdot, linux.com, etc. japan, china, russia, everywhere.
<wolfspraul>
the next step for the Ben is a great default image that makes it really usable
<wolfspraul>
of course things like your counterweight are also really cool because they show we have faith in the future, move towards Ya etc.
<wolfspraul>
but back to Milkymist, do you develop an interest in that now?
<wolfspraul>
we are currently having a small run of SIE
<wolfspraul>
after that it's back to Milkymist One RC2
<wolfspraul>
basically this is what the RC1 yielded in terms of bugs
<wolfspraul>
we hope RC2 is free of major bugs that limit functionality
<wpwrak>
(mm) i find the concept interesting. a had a fairly long chat with sebastian and i'm now also more convinced that the architecture is solid enough that you can do something "real" with it.
<wpwrak>
maybe not quite as fast in all regards as the 4740 on a first try, but close enough that it doesn't really matter
<wolfspraul>
good to hear that from you
<wolfspraul>
yes I think it's a solid project, and I think it fits with my larger copyleft hw project. otherwise I wouldn't pump my last savings into this, and work for free instead of doing the normal career bs in the industry...
<wolfspraul>
first I need to do my part good on the Milkymist One manufacturing side
<wpwrak>
the known issues sound fairly minor already. i've seen much much worse in the errata of things from reputable big companies :)
<wolfspraul>
first 6 boards were great. all 6 worked (booted), and we were able to come up with really nice bug hunting results.
<wolfspraul>
well, thanks :-)
<wolfspraul>
I do believe we have good people on everything.
<wolfspraul>
so now we need a bit of luck, and nothing that slips into rc2
<wolfspraul>
there are fairly major bugs, that completely break video-in, have a big negative impact on midi, infrared, etc. etc.
<wpwrak>
when will be the big smt day ?
<wolfspraul>
for rc2?
<wolfspraul>
you don't trust our wiki :-)
<wolfspraul>
let's see what it says...
<wolfspraul>
we are trying to perfect the 'open process, you know? :-)
<kristianpaul>
Textmode: yaah there is bug i had to reduce my 1.6Gb jlime part to 500Mb in order to boot
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: that's a perfect plan! all dates are empty :-)
<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: so, how i can tell openwty make scripts and relatd stuff to do iir right?
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: the goal is to have 20 rc2 for 27c3, which means they must be produced in october
<wpwrak>
ah, wikies .. they have all the data and you never know where :)
<kristianpaul>
:p
<wolfspraul>
so we still have to apply the errata
<xiangfu>
kristianpaul: the OpenWrt will try the "wejp.k.vu" first.  then it will try others. so I would advice download it manually.
<wolfspraul>
to schematics & layout
<wpwrak>
whee ! next week.
<wolfspraul>
next week what? the SIE run?
<wolfspraul>
we are talking about Milkymist One now
<wolfspraul>
that is after SIE
<wolfspraul>
SIE is that board similar to a NanoNote, but with Spartan-3 added
<wolfspraul>
XBurst 4725 (same die as 4740) + Spartan-3
<wpwrak>
(mm run2) heh, that's how i like my schedules ;-)) (thanks for the links !)
<wolfspraul>
yes I know
<wolfspraul>
knew you would like that
<wolfspraul>
so first step for m1 rc2 is apply the rc1 errata
<wolfspraul>
review it
<wpwrak>
next week sie. should also be a fun moment, no ?
<wolfspraul>
really make sure we don't overlook anything
<wolfspraul>
yes sure, fun everywhere :-)
<wolfspraul>
after that, I hope the process will be smooth since it's essentially the same process as for milkymist one rc1
<wolfspraul>
we have already sourced the hardest to get component, the spartan-6
<wolfspraul>
50 in stock :-)
<kristianpaul>
:O
<wpwrak>
what makes the spartan so hard to get ?
<wolfspraul>
hmm
<kristianpaul>
spartan7 ?
<kristianpaul>
i guess
<wolfspraul>
no no
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: I don't have any really strong/hard answers.
<kristianpaul>
okay
<wpwrak>
maybe just an unusual member of the family then
<wolfspraul>
I tried to build a contact with Xilinx in San Jose, but they were super arrogant and essentially just kicked me out.
<wpwrak>
wow
<wolfspraul>
well it's a big company now
<wolfspraul>
who are we? nothing. and then we are even into this copyleft thing, and all they are about is to build more proprietary IP.
<wpwrak>
still. small shops like yours should be important for them.
<wolfspraul>
so I can only speculate
<wolfspraul>
the spartan-6 is a 45nm process
<wpwrak>
ah, so quite new then
<wolfspraul>
that's quite advanced, very few fabs can do it, and there are big struggles over whose problems get fixed first, etc. you can imagine.
<wolfspraul>
essentially they compete with Apple in Samsung's attention...
<wpwrak>
lovely ;-)
<kristianpaul>
Apple? ohh
<kristianpaul>
How Apple uses FPGAs?
<wolfspraul>
on the other hand I hear that virtex-6 is easily available
<wolfspraul>
I really dont' know.
<wolfspraul>
but I do know that many customers are pissed about the spartan-6 delays and switching to Altera and others.
<kristianpaul>
but virtex is expensive, no?
<wolfspraul>
Altera has instructed their sales people to go after spartan-6 defectants. they have special powerpoint presentations and packages to make switching easy.
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: yes virtex is very expensive. Like I said, I really don't know where the spartan-6 delays are coming from, why, etc.
<kristianpaul>
used Altera in the university Labs
<wolfspraul>
bottom line: spartan-6 had many delays, and I chose to stock 50 of what we need instead.
<kristianpaul>
it was good, jsut lacking linux support for free
<wolfspraul>
on the other hand I am sure Xilinx will fix the spartan-6 issues, I cannot imagine they abandon it.
<roh>
got a dso which is basically a altera develboard with 2 chips and display + keys
<roh>
ah.. and a bag of adc
<wolfspraul>
spartan-7 is something totally different, sure they work on it, and it's announced. But that's a 28nm process, don't expect to get that chip in volume for at least 2 years.
<kristianpaul>
roh: i bought a ds1 but sell it when siwched to linux based systems
<kristianpaul>
now i have my cheap xilinx avnet kit :)
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: I don't know whether apple is using fpgas anywhere, that was not my point. Apple and Xilinx both use Samsung's fab. Everybody's resources are limited, even Samsung's.
<roh>
kristianpaul too bad that there is no foss toolchain for that thing
<wolfspraul>
so Xilinx is competing with Apple in Samsung's attention, whatever problem Xilinx has that requires Samsung's help.
<roh>
not even a closed one i could use without win32
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: if i understood wolfgang right, apple may not use fpgas but the same process. so the fab line either makes <whatever> for apple or spartan6 for xilinx
<kristianpaul>
okay wolfspraul, i got the point
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: yes correct.
<kristianpaul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
so it may be that there is just a resource bottleneck somewhere, and s-6 fell through the cracks :-)
<wpwrak>
so, don't use any process that apple uses too :)
<wolfspraul>
some info Adam sent when he sourced the 50 s-6 we have in stock now
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: well, the fabs become more and more important if you want to make a competitive IC
<wolfspraul>
xilinx wants a 28nm process for the virtex/spartan-7 series, so they start to co-work with a fab on this today...
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: good point :)
<wolfspraul>
after all xilinx doesn't want to sell design files, they want to sell chips :-)
<wolfspraul>
plus I am guessing what caused the s-6 delays, total gossip
<wpwrak>
ah yes, mo start in july. no surprise :)
<wolfspraul>
well they say this same story for about a year now
<wolfspraul>
it's always 'soon'
<wolfspraul>
but I don't care anymore, I have 50 in stock now and done
<wolfspraul>
that should help for the m1 rc2 run, and maybe also for the first xue run
<wpwrak>
that close to mp start it can really be anything. they're probably still debugging yield issues ;-)
<wolfspraul>
they also had power issues
<wolfspraul>
so they kept saying that the -es version (engineering samples) are not suitable for power measurements
<wpwrak>
;-)))
<wolfspraul>
the milkymist one rc1 is using -es I think
<wolfspraul>
but now we have mp types, for rc2
<wpwrak>
good. should be interesting to see how much the beast draws. not sure what the typical asic vs. fpga factor would be.
<wpwrak>
two beautiful wpan-atrf boards just left my laminator. time for the kitchen, set up some acid ...
<wolfspraul>
wow :-)
<kristianpaul>
pics !
<kristianpaul>
indeed
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: just for some story, it was so painful about this s-6 in recent months
<wolfspraul>
crazy
<wolfspraul>
everybody was hunting them, worldwide
<wolfspraul>
it was a real adventure to get the 6 we needed for rc1
<wolfspraul>
in the end adam had contacted so many places, he got mails from unknown people saying "hey, you are looking for s-6, I can offer you TWO!" :-)
<kristianpaul>
amazing i never tought that until read your chat
<wolfspraul>
Xilinx really didn't manage this thing well, I can understand that many customers jumped to greener pastures.
<wolfspraul>
if you are a business and want to sell products, you don't want to send your employees on hunting trips to fish out chips one by one...
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: how many "METOO" mails did he get from other searchers ? :)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: (pics) for now it's just copper with a bit of toner on it
<wolfspraul>
it's hard to manage access to any limited resource I guess
<wolfspraul>
at Samsung the system was easy, at least the initial idea. Say a new IC is being made, and it has to generate 200 million USD revenue to be profitable for Samsung.
<wolfspraul>
(that's a typical number)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: if they're that limited, the intelligent thing would be to not start open sales yet ...
<wolfspraul>
well it's -es
<wolfspraul>
so if in early runs of that IC, let's say a total of 200 chips will be available to outsiders, that means every chip must correlate with 1 million USD in future revenue
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: i meant document the whole process is not bad :)
<wpwrak>
or make a lottery and given them away for free. whatever ;-)
<wolfspraul>
it the chip is 20 USD, that's 50k chips
<wolfspraul>
so if you want 2 samples, they need to see that those 2 samples will generate 100k in chip sales to you later
<wpwrak>
alright. lotter, but not free then :)
<wolfspraul>
I think it's a fairly easy to understand system.
<wolfspraul>
I think what caused so many problems in the s-6 case was that the MP start was delayed so much. so the demands for chips increased, runs got bigger, but there were only very limited -es supplies.
<wolfspraul>
bottom line - mismanaged, many customers pissed
<wolfspraul>
our advantage is that we got into this late, our first run was only 6, and in general the whole way we move forward is much slower than a commercial maker of whatever product, who has to release & ship stuff under huge time pressure
<wolfspraul>
so maybe in the end the timing is actually perfect for us, and by now many customers switched away so we should have plenty of supply :-)
<wolfspraul>
if we are lucky s-6 prices will drop fast because of this whole introduction disaster
<roh>
the whole thing sounds like one big gamble
<roh>
who needs casinos
<kristianpaul>
lol
<nebajoth>
casinos are cheaper
<nebajoth>
actually
<wpwrak>
roh: better than the stock exchange. and you don't have to wear a tie :)
<kristianpaul>
Textmode: you have problems booting jlime with 2GB sd?
<rafa>
wpwrak: would it be useful for wireless network?
<rafa>
or similar?
<kristianpaul>
it seems !
<Textmode>
kristianpaul: no. *using*
<wpwrak>
next step: mr. dremel has a meeting with the board. may neighbours probably prefer this to be in the morning, not at night :)
<rafa>
kristianpaul: Textmode : is there any problem with jlime?
<nebajoth>
what exactly does that pcb do?
<wpwrak>
rafa: almost, bah !
<kristianpaul>
rafa: not me
<rafa>
wpwrak: wow!.. I can not believe!
<rafa>
:)..
<Textmode>
rafa: I wanttted to test if the video player that came with jlime could play some old gameplay vids I had, its at this point that I realised I couldn't find anything of the SD card anywhere. I'm pretty sure it isn't mounting.
<wpwrak>
rafa: this board should to ieee 802.15.4 networking. this one wouldn't fit into a ben, though. it will connect to usb, via a c8051f326, the same chip as in idbg.
<rafa>
wpwrak: which kind of wireless network?.. I mean, could we use that for typical wireless network=
<rafa>
Textmode: wait.. you want to play videos right?
<wpwrak>
rafa: this chip then talks spi to the rf transceiver. when done, you could cut the board between the two v-shapes, and connect it to spi in the ben.
<wpwrak>
rafa: well, in theory. it wouldn't make sense to do this, because it wouldn't fit anywhere. better to shrink it a bit more first.
<Textmode>
rafa: thats sorta beyond the current issue, which is that, even from the commandline, I can't find the contents of the SD card.
<rafa>
wpwrak: okey, but if it would fit...
<rafa>
Textmode: please, let me understand the whole problem. Do you have installed jlime?
<rafa>
Textmode: on nand? on sd?
<wpwrak>
rafa: not typical wlan. it's not 802.11a/b/g/n but 802.15.4. same frequency band, but many other things are different.
<Textmode>
yes, jlime, on nand
<wpwrak>
nebajoth: (wpan) yes
<rafa>
Textmode: and you can not mount it seems right?
<kristianpaul>
ah nand
<Textmode>
rafa: seems to be the case.
<rafa>
wpwrak: okey,..
<kristianpaul>
i dint resist that one
<rafa>
Textmode: which kind of sd filesystem you have?
<kristianpaul>
i meant no swap :( i moved to sd again
<rafa>
ext2? fat?
<wpwrak>
rafa: naybe you;ve heard of ZigBee. it's the same technology. a bit similar to bluetooth, actually
<rafa>
yes, we used zigbee in my last job
<wpwrak>
ah, perfect. how did it work ?
<Textmode>
rafa: gnome sayz "msdos", so probably vfat.
<rafa>
wpwrak: but I do not know if that is typical/common to attach wireless hardware network. I mean, if I can have ip for example
<wpwrak>
there is 6LoWPAN, a way to transport IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4. but 802.15.4 isn't common for IP (yet ?)
<rafa>
Textmode: okey.. and you have tried: mkdir /tmp/d ; mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /tmp/d/
<rafa>
?
<wpwrak>
but then, since you'd bring your own beer err... peer anyway, you can choose whatever you want :)
<wpwrak>
the main question is now how far this thing can go
<rafa>
wpwrak: it was in wireless keyboard for the bus driver.. and the whole code was in zigbee + pic32 controling that hardware
<rafa>
wpwrak: that worked well
<rafa>
Textmode: you there?
<rafa>
Textmode: I want to sleep, but better if we can fix your problem first.. so I will go to sleep happy ;)
<wpwrak>
so, transmission over a few meters, in a vehicle
<Textmode>
rafa: No such device or address
<rafa>
yes.. 2mts or less I think
<rafa>
Textmode: okey.. let me check my ben
<rafa>
wpwrak:Â Â yes.. 2mts or less I think
<Textmode>
rafa: wait...
<Textmode>
yeah, that worked.
<rafa>
Textmode: strange.. my jlime on nand can do :Â Â mkdir /tmp/d ; mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /tmp/d/
<rafa>
without adds, or changes
<Textmode>
<Textmode> rafa: wait... <Textmode> yeah, that worked.
<rafa>
Textmode: okey, then you go
<rafa>
to cd /tmp/d
<rafa>
and you see your files?
<nebajoth>
"The basic framework conceives a 10-meter communications area with a transfer rate of 250 kbit/s."
<nebajoth>
-- wikipedia
<Textmode>
okay, so the card is mounted now, but why doesn't automount work?
<rafa>
Textmode: I am not sure that we added automount
<Textmode>
and I'm pretty sure I tried that with /mnt/card as the target, why didn't that work?
<kristianpaul>
zzzZ
<rafa>
Textmode: and I am not sure that your test are not working
<rafa>
Textmode: that I am sure is that fat works and you can mount your sd with jlime
<rafa>
Textmode: several things.. use the video icon to run the video player, no command line
<rafa>
or if you want to use command line then learn how the script runs mplayer
<rafa>
Textmode: also: the best thing to see videos is to convert them with ffmpeg like it is explained at :