<viric>
the rest of the files into play are from a normal upstream distribution of packages: nixpkgs  http://nixos.org/nixpkgs/    (not specially coded for the nanonote)
<kyak>
does nix-build run everywhere?
<viric>
kyak: even cygwin
<viric>
kyak: not native win32 though
<viric>
kyak: but the cross-build system works only on Linux by now (as far as I have tested. I don't know of anyone that tried to test it in other places)
<viric>
kyak: on 'Linux' means i686-linux, x86_64-linux, armv5tel-linux and mips64-linux, regardless of the distribution.
<kyak>
so your main point was that openwrt is not flexible
<kyak>
at the same time, you just use nix-build to build a pacakge
<kyak>
you understand that you don't really need to modify anything
<viric>
I'm very used to the 'nix' way of describing how to build something, so I can use the same language for my desktop computers and for the nanonote.
<viric>
kyak: do you want to see the description on how to build rogue?
<kyak>
so that's just your personal affection then
<kyak>
i don't even know what rogue is :)
<viric>
A nethack style game :)
<kyak>
i personally pretty much got used to the openwrt build system
<tuxbrain>
viric: Jlime is an OE based distro as Armstrong
<viric>
kyak: Well, you understand the advantages of using *the same system* in your desktop and in the nanonote, right? :)
<kyak>
no
<kyak>
i don't really need it
<viric>
well, for two computers, you have one system *less* to learn.
<kyak>
i don't have to "learn" anything
<kyak>
you don't have to, with modern linux distros
<viric>
ah, it depends on what do you want to achieve
<kyak>
they all have prety smart package managers]
<kyak>
what do i want for my desktop? click and install, or "single command install"
<viric>
kyak: I don't agree. :) Most package managers work as a "list of tarballs to unpack with a list of dependencies on what tarballs to unpack"
<kyak>
why would i want it to do anything with Ben?
<viric>
kyak: ah, well, I want something more than 'click and install' :)
<kyak>
viric: so what?
<kyak>
you want to fell "freedom", while you actually don't need it. you want to be "in control", while you actually don't need it
<viric>
kyak: some excerpts of what "most package managers" don't have: http://nixos.org/nix/
<kyak>
i'm pretty much satisfied with defaults my linux distro provides
<kyak>
and so are 95 % of users
<viric>
kyak: no problem. I don't mind much about other users. I never came here telling what they have to use. :)
<viric>
But I choose open hardware so I can do whatever I want with it; and using the distro I like is one of the freedoms I like enjoying :)
<tuxbrain>
viric:regarding rogue on OpenWrt you have the original nethack(ascii) and powder(SDL)
<kyak>
agreed
<viric>
tuxbrain: this means that rogue is not there ;)
<kyak>
get it there
<tuxbrain>
beaware on it be resolution proof (320x240)
<kyak>
feel "free"
<kyak>
viric: you will be very much surprised how openwrt's Makefile is similar to that rogue nix recipy
<viric>
kyak: and the possibility to use 'nix' for either the nanonote, the sheevaplug, a full featured KDE desktop, cross-building or not cross-building, with advantages like multiple-versions in the system, rollback, atomic upgrades, ... makes it quite a worth system.
<tuxbrain>
I think is the main constrain in order to port grafical software to nanonote, not the distro it self
<tuxbrain>
the resolution
<kyak>
viric: you should really make you yourself familiar with widely-accepted package managers. Most of them are not that stupid as you imagine
<viric>
kyak: I feel that they achieve very little
<viric>
kyak: I remember being at fosdem this year, and I went to the debian cross-building meeting. All they had in their list of "Future plans" was in our list of "what we already have"
<kyak>
viric: anyway, have you got this NixOs running on Ben?
<viric>
And with far less effort than what the debian people are doing.
<viric>
kyak: all I'd need to do is write the init script. Cross-building the software works fine. And I've had the nanonote for a week.
<jyf1987>
kyak: how can i get console on nanonote? there's 3 application default
<kyak>
jyf1987: as you do it on every other linux, ctrl+alt+F1-F5
<viric>
kyak: I'm dediating very little time to this... I'm also involved in the Fuloong2F port, and I did the Sheevaplug port too. I'm sure I achieved that with far less effort than other distributions I know fo.
<viric>
of
<jyf1987>
kyak: oh, forget it
<kyak>
viric: have you ported anything to openwrt?
<jyf1987>
kyak: i thought gmenu run on fb
<viric>
kyak: no. The openwrt build system is hard to install over nixpgks, I think
<jyf1987>
i like tty more than gui ,:D
<kyak>
that how you can be "sure"? it takes me half-hour to port an average application
<viric>
kyak: I have not tried learning OpenWRT because what I do in 'nix' has more far reaching positive consequences than what I could do for openwrt.
<kyak>
than you can't compare
<kyak>
you just use what you use
<kyak>
what you used to :)
<viric>
kyak: as all is valid enough for my desktop system, servers, embedded systems, workstations, ...
<kyak>
and this is what you dare to call "freedom"
<viric>
kyak: do you use OpenWRT in your laptop?
<kyak>
no, why would I?
<viric>
kyak: learning openwrt gives me little advantages compared to contributing to nix. I use nix everywhere, while you use OpenWRT only on your routers and nanonotes (I guess)
<kyak>
i'm very satisfied with my current distro (mandriva), which i've been using for several years so far
<viric>
kyak: Why would I spend effort in a system that will make my contributions work only on such a limited set?
<viric>
kyak: I already said that I don't care that much on "other users that did not choose nix" ;)
<kyak>
i might be not "FSF geek", but who's using NixOS anyways? this is the time i've heard about it
<kyak>
so.. when you actually have it running on Ben, let me know :)
<kyak>
i'm willing to try it
<viric>
Well, you better try it on a more flexible computer first :)
<viric>
If you are used to mandriva, it will have a high step learning curve at the beginning
<viric>
And you can be soon disappointed
<kyak>
wow, you are so full of stereotypes
<viric>
First you have to understand that you want what nix provides over the other package managers. That should give you the 'energy' to do the effort :)
<viric>
kyak: Yes ;)
<viric>
kyak: Feel free to break them :)
<kyak>
can i have nix package manager on a top of any linux distro?
<viric>
Yes.
<kyak>
or i need to switch to NixOS?
<viric>
No, you can use it on linux, BSDs, ...
<kyak>
viric: ok, i might have a look
<viric>
You can ask for guidance on #nixos if you have questions.
<viric>
I know very few users of it, but I don't know of any who used it and then changed to another distro :)
<kyak>
viric: i'm definitely not changing distro.. just because it makes no sense
<viric>
But I let you know that most users in NixOS come after being disappointed of other package managers, after falling into trouble with them.
<viric>
larsc: interrupt counter for the mmc detect increases only when I remove the card
<viric>
tuxbrain: did you try the microphone in the nanonote? I tried arecord... at what highest rate can I record? All I tried over 8000Hz looks like failing, with arecord.
<larsc>
viric: its a bit strage that the card detect gpio pin is high both times.
<viric>
hm I agree.
<viric>
Maybe I broke something in the hw? Should I try 2.6.34 back?
<viric>
the gpio does not change at all
<viric>
when I put or remove the card
<viric>
But interrupts, there are.
<viric>
(only removing)
<viric>
so, nothing new.
<larsc>
i'll try with my nanonote late to see if i can reporduce it
<viric>
great
<viric>
in the worst case I can boot with the card in
<viric>
It looks like it takes the state from boot time.
<viric>
when I boot without card, it stays as without card
<viric>
right, it works fine. It detects the card when it's in, and does not detect anything when it is not
<viric>
(binding/unbinding)
<viric>
thank you!
<kristianpaul>
hello
<kristianpaul>
nice font in last openwrt xburst :)
<viric>
kristianpaul: mm is it different?
<kristianpaul>
mm?
<viric>
mmmm (thinking) is it different?
<kristianpaul>
ahh
<kristianpaul>
s/mm/hmm
<kristianpaul>
;)
<viric>
hehe
<zear>
tuxbrain2, hey man, do you accept paypal payment for the wiz? We have a guy on our dingoo forums looking for a uk wiz seller that accepts paypal
<zear>
*ue
<zear>
*eu
<zear>
:P
<viric>
(whois zear
<viric>
:)
<zear>
it's me, i'm legit ;)
<viric>
I was interested why you could have mixed 'ue' and 'eu' looking at your hostname :)
<zear>
hehe
<viric>
(and guessing some land from it)
<zear>
yeah, we write it UE in Poland, though i usually don't make that mistake
<zear>
it's just that i typed "uk" first
<viric>
ok
<viric>
kristianpaul: ah, I forgot to ask; What is different in the font?
<kristianpaul>
viric: little but good
<kristianpaul>
just enough
<viric>
kristianpaul: hm is it 2.6.35?
<viric>
I wonder what font it is. 4x6? 8x8?
<viric>
I'll go for that 4x6; it will be better than the current 8x16 I have chosen :)
<viric>
uh bad idea.
<viric>
4x6 looks unreadable :)
<kristianpaul>
viric: 2.6.32.18
<viric>
ah
<viric>
can you know what font you use?
<kristianpaul>
opkg list said dejavu-fonts-ttf 2.23-1
<viric>
uh ttf?
<viric>
aren't you talking about the fbcon font?
<kristianpaul>
dont know
<viric>
ahh
<kristianpaul>
i just  compile last openwrt-xburst
<viric>
ok I'll check
<viric>
in the tree
<kristianpaul>
ok
<viric>
haha the commit there says: mirko: do not use font <FONT_MINI_4x6> for target lb60 by default as it's unreadable
<viric>
which matches what I said a few lines ago :)
<kristianpaul>
:p
<viric>
But I don't see any special font set
<viric>
other than 8x16
<viric>
can you tell me the result of "echo $LINES $COLUMNS" ?
<viric>
in a shell in the screen
<kristianpaul>
sure
<kristianpaul>
wait
<viric>
maybe it even is not a font set by the kernel, but set by the init scripts?
<kristianpaul>
void
<viric>
I'll keep on with fbterm
<tuxbrain2>
zear, no more wiz...
<zear>
you ran out of stock?
<zear>
i thought nobody was buying them ;)
<Textmode>
is nobody
<tuxbrain2>
I have this article under demand due the provider was in spain and ships in 24h but he also runs out of stock and will not refill again
<tuxbrain2>
In fact it is not manufactured anymore