<larsc>
is the value in sysfs different from what you'd expect it to be?
<larsc>
in the aic section there are sample values of N, M and output frequency
<larsc>
you are right
<larsc>
i wonder why they put the extra brackets in their formula
<larsc>
hm i wished there was some kind of mmc testkit which would emulate a mmc card, but be able to produce errors at will. so one could build a testsuite for a mmc driver
<dptech>
hello I'd like how create usb_boot because I've usb schema with Data (D-) Data (D+) and Ground (GND) with in nanoNote TXD (transmit data) RXD (receive data)...
<larsc>
bartbes: no
<dptech>
hello I'd like how create usb_boot because I've usb schema with Data (D-) Data (D+) and Ground (GND) with in nanoNote TXD (transmit data) RXD (receive data)...
<dptech>
Nobody ? Ok, I'm using RS232 serial male connector...
<xiangfu>
dptech: Hi , what you mean "create usbboot" ?
<xiangfu>
dptech:Â Â you need a rs232 -- TTL converter to get the serial output.
<xiangfu>
dptech: if you want boot to hardware-usbboot. just short the two usbboot pins then press the [RESET] hole.
<rafa>
larsc: I will do a pull of 2.6.34.. is there some issue to know ?
<rafa>
larsc: proper config for nn is in arch/mips/configs?
<larsc>
rafa: it should work, config is in arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig
<rafa>
larsc: great, thanks a lot
<rafa>
larsc: I will let you know how it goes
<nebajoth>
rofl
<nebajoth>
I'm compiling a mud server on my NN.
<dptech>
xiangfu: Well, i see! If I understand, I can boot in usb with this method
<freespace>
nebajoth: what distro/compiler?
<nebajoth>
debian/gcc
<freespace>
cool
<nebajoth>
I love having debian on here
<rafa>
larsc: short question: is arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig okey to use with MicroSD?. Have you tried?
<rafa>
larsc: arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig does not have SD set.. Does it work okey?.. I have had lot of problems with arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig before
<rafa>
larsc: that is why I am asking..
<rafa>
(work okey= if SD works okey with 2.6.34 and arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig config)
<larsc>
rafa?
<rafa>
yes man
<rafa>
me here..
<rafa>
larsc: I built.. because no output on screen I can not say much. It does not work for me now.. I will try to realize (some day :P) which is the problem..
<rafa>
larsc: black screen, booting from SD
<rafa>
larsc: so I am not sure if it mounted rootfs, or where it finishes
<calamarz>
keymouse working on my nn :)
<calamarz>
now I can play scummvm XD
<rafa>
HEY!.. we release a new v2 beta jlime version.. some braves? :)
<wolfspraul>
rafa: v2 already...!
<rafa>
wolfspraul: yes, pure beta but nice :)
<rafa>
wolfspraul: I sent an email, but it has not arrived yet it seems
<rafa>
wolfspraul: we still use our 2.6.34 kernel which has a few problems and it is a little outdated.. I have not been able to use current git kernel.. it does not boot well for us. I also have not had time to report properly the problem, if there is a problem, I do not know. larsc sais that all is okey, so surely it is my fault.. but well,
<rafa>
I am not sure what to do next.. for now I was working hard on userland side. I will wait a while to try again current git kernel
<rafa>
our 2.6.34 kernel= kernel from qi git, but with our own .config and outdated
<rafa>
lars said*
<wolfspraul>
rafa: you sent an email where? do the qi discussion or developer list?
<wolfspraul>
s/do/to/
<rafa>
wolfspraul: both
<wolfspraul>
hmm
<rafa>
wolfspraul: anyway, the beta v2 is the same that you have watched in the youtube vide.. with X and matchbox GUI
<wolfspraul>
rafa: I looked at the server a little. Seems the mail traffic is so high now that spam checking is the bottleneck.
<wolfspraul>
so your mails were temporarily rejected for a while...
<wolfspraul>
unfortunately spamassassing needs so much memory I cannot easily increase the number of processes, need to look into it some more
<wolfspraul>
thanks for letting me know, should be faster!
<urandom_>
i had some nice idea today: placing some trackpoint style device next to the speaker and then next to it two buttons, which could be used as mouse buttons but also for making the nanonote a good gaming device (mainly for retro games i think), that would be awesome but dont know if doable
<wolfspraul>
see at the bottom "trackball like HTC Dream" etc.
<wolfspraul>
but realistically, it will not happen in Ya
<wolfspraul>
our resources are extremely limited, and we focus them pretty exclusively on reducing the price of the device
<urandom_>
yeah i know, we already talked about it :P
<neil_>
wolfspraul: do you know if Ya will have USB host?  at least we could use a USB mouse then
<urandom_>
my usb mouse is bigger than my nano that will be look funny ;)
<rafa>
wolfspraul: great.. I see the mail now ;)
<urandom_>
USB host has the highest priority neil_
<neil_>
urandom_: great.  I'd love to plug in my Wingman Extreme 3D.  that would look even funnier
<urandom_>
yeah usb host will be awesome! lots of new stuff to do with the ben
<max_posedon>
usb host 1.1 doesn't gives much opportunetes imho
<neil_>
max_posedon: should be good enough for a mouse and 802.11
<wolfspraul>
neil_: USB host is easy to add, and gives a lot of functionality from our free software perspective
<wolfspraul>
easy = cheap
<neil_>
wolfspraul: music to my ears
<wolfspraul>
so whenever those things come together - 1) cheap 2) makes a lot of sense for free software, then it's high on the list
<mth>
any chance of internal wifi support?
<wolfspraul>
gotta run, Nelson waiting downstairs, sorry...
<max_posedon>
neil_, yes, but... I'm not sure that it will give you much
<wolfspraul>
mth: integrated wifi probably not
<wolfspraul>
we'll see
<max_posedon>
e.g. I just want attach ben to freerunner
<max_posedon>
it could be killer pair)
<wolfspraul>
I'd rather add an RF solution that is open to the PHY layer
<wolfspraul>
even if that means in the first year nothing more than sending 'hello world' from one device to the next will work :-)
<wolfspraul>
bbl
<mth>
for a portable device, it's useful to be interoperable with all the existing access points ;)
<urandom_>
but the RF solutions that are open arent used by anyone else :(
<urandom_>
i am not against using stuff that nobody else is using if it is good technology but i wonder if this hoperf stuff makes any sense
<wolfspraul>
mth: sorry had to go offline
<mth>
no problem
<wolfspraul>
so about Wi-Fi, well at least me personally I will probably try to keep it outside of the Ya NanoNote
<mth>
I typed this just after you left:
<wolfspraul>
but we may be working on another product, wall computer, with integrated Wi-Fi
<mth>
<mth> for a portable device, it's useful to be interoperable with all the existing access points ;)
<wolfspraul>
don't know really, it all depends on a lot of technology and what works and what doesn't
<wolfspraul>
of course that is useful
<wolfspraul>
I'm just not satisfied running a large black box that does all the intersting things
<mth>
if the device is aimed at hardware hackers, that's a valid point
<mth>
if it's aimed at software hackers that just want an internet connection to access their repository, it's a different story
<larsc>
well, the goal of the qi-project is to inovate in the area of open hardware
<wolfspraul>
an RF stack is not software?
<mth>
I don't really know enough of all layers involved in WiFi
<mth>
for me personally, it would be sufficient if the device driver is open
<wolfspraul>
sure, you are not alone in saying that and it's understandable
<wolfspraul>
believe me, I'd say every other day or so someone looks at me with big eyes that try to tell me "are you stupid in not including Wi-Fi in this thing?"
<mth>
if I were a hardware hacker, I'd probably draw the boundaries differently :)
<mth>
but there is always a black box somewhere, at least in the foreseeable future
<mth>
for example, I don't have sources for the software in my cable modem
<wolfspraul>
ok, one by one
<mth>
but if I did, then I still wouldn't have access to my provider's routers etc
<wolfspraul>
I don't think a blackbox 'always' has to be there, especially not in the foreseeable future
<wolfspraul>
a lot of pieces are in place, they just need to be put together, which is what we are working on
<wolfspraul>
well, your provider's router is another thing, but for the devices you are using, there really is no need for black boxes, in a few years
<mth>
there is no technical need for black boxes, but even if we're moving to an open world (I hope so, but I'm not sure), the intertia will be huge
<mth>
*inertia
<wolfspraul>
he, I would agree on the inertia, but that's why you need to start early :-)
<mth>
a lot of people don't really understand why openness is needed
<mth>
for example, in the Netherlands voting machines are no longer allowed, but on the grounds that eavesdropping is possible, not because the votes are unverifiable
<mth>
to me, it seems rather pointless to vote in secret when you have no guarantee it will actually be counted
<mth>
so imo, they did the right thing for the wrong reason
<mth>
well, the less important right reason, because secrecy of voting is also important
<urandom_>
why is secrecy important?
<mth>
to avoid intimidation as a way of getting more votes
<urandom_>
nah dont think that would work, "vote for us or we beat the crap out of you" isnt an democrativ sysem anyway
<mth>
it happens in countries that are in name democraties though
<urandom_>
yeah but then it doesnt mather if there is secrecy or if you can vote anyway, doesnt change something
<mth>
I think it does make a difference: if a group tries to take power by force, it will be clear that they have done so, instead of them pointing to fraudulent elections as an excuse
<urandom_>
also we dont have any democratic countries in the world if you go by greece definition (but then voting for people hasnt to do anythink with democracy at all)
<mth>
anyway, my point is that it will be difficult to convince people that they need open hardware when they still trust Facebook with all details of their social life
<urandom_>
so yeah maybe they look better with fake votes i agree
<urandom_>
my point was just that there is something already wrong when you need secrecy
<mth>
in an ideal world you could vote openly indeed, but I don't see it happening very soon
<urandom_>
i dont really understand the web 2.0 stuff, whats so cool about it, i never use it
<urandom_>
"omg i am so importand i need my own webblog and shit"
<mth>
well, web 2.0 is a marketing term for web apps + sites build on user-generated content
<mth>
I do think web apps are useful
<mth>
and user generated content can be useful, but it all depends on the quality of that content
<mth>
something like github could be called web 2.0
<mth>
now everybody has the means to write their own newspaper, but very few people have both an interesting story to tell and the skills to tell it well
<urandom_>
well stuff like wikis, github and indypendant news are usefull and cool
<urandom_>
but there is so much shit now
<urandom_>
nobody knows how to use irc anymore
<urandom_>
booting jlime kernel from fat16 didnt work at all for me, tryed the whole day long, used ext2 instead and worked lol