<arctanx>
Has anyone seen the error "Unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload ** Wrong Image Format for bootm command" trying to boot from SD? It looks remarkably similar to http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#U-Boot_v1_unable_to_use_mmc_error though I'm not sure where the "mmcinit" command would be
<arctanx>
I'm using a u-boot built from a June 4 clone of openwrt-xburst
<freespace>
not i
<arctanx>
Ah, I seem to be deluded about where u-boot came from...
<arctanx>
D'oh. turns out the issue was I had an ext2 fs without a partition. Now it just isn't booting :) more funtimes ahead
<Necrosporus>
Does NanoNote support usb0 network?
<emdete>
Necrosporus: yes, client mode usb-ether
<kyak>
what do you mean "client mode"?
<Necrosporus>
Hm... But anyway, I can't think out a use case
<emdete>
kyak: usb knows a master or host and clients on his bus
<emdete>
kyak: mouse, wlan adapter, kbd all are clients. your notebook is a host. the nn does not support host mode
<Necrosporus>
I can read with usual windows mobile pda, which I already have (but it need a new battery)
<Necrosporus>
I can listen the music as well
<kyak>
emdete: i see..
<Necrosporus>
I can type notes on my smartphone
<Necrosporus>
What is reason for that PDA?
<Necrosporus>
What I can do on NanoNote which I can't on my existing devices?
<freespace>
build your own from scratch
<freespace>
though technically that's with the data
<emdete>
Necrosporus: you may even take a pen & paper! heureka! :D
<Necrosporus>
freespace, I don't have a microchip factory
<freespace>
nanonote isn't what i would call a consumer device
<Necrosporus>
So... What's reason to buy a nano-note?
<freespace>
it isn't "what can it do for me" but more "why can i do with it"
<freespace>
same reason you get an arduino
<Necrosporus>
I can compile LFS on my Windows Mobile PDA as well
<Necrosporus>
I have installed Debian Lenny on it and it works
<freespace>
you get hardware and software, all of which is completely accessible, and you do whatever you want to it without any hinderance
<Necrosporus>
freespace, what's hinderance about my Pocket Loox 710?
<Necrosporus>
It can run Debian with haret
<bartbes>
may I ask why you ask if you clearly have made your mind up?
<freespace>
i don't know, depends on what you want to do with it
<freespace>
does it happen to have a serial port?
<Necrosporus>
(pretty old PDA, but with 64 megs of RAM and 416MHz ARM)
<freespace>
or some gpio pins?
<Necrosporus>
I have no idea... I don't have a flasher anyway
<freespace>
flasher?
<Necrosporus>
Special device to reprogram ROM
<Necrosporus>
* EEPROM
<Necrosporus>
bartbes, because I don't know
<freespace>
what does that have to do with serial port of gpio pins?
<Necrosporus>
AFAIK, my pda support serial port
<Necrosporus>
But I have to solder adapter by hand
<bartbes>
a reason nobody has mentioned: because of the community?
<Necrosporus>
I dunno what's gpio
<freespace>
general purpose IO
<freespace>
is the pocket loox 710 stil being made?
<Necrosporus>
Probably not
<Necrosporus>
It's from 2004
<Necrosporus>
When I was a windows user
<freespace>
so despite the fact debian runs on it
<freespace>
i would say no one is developing just for it
<Necrosporus>
freespace, not true
<Necrosporus>
I know a man who does
<freespace>
a single person
<freespace>
?
<Necrosporus>
Him modified Linux Kernel for me
<freespace>
that's pretty cool
<freespace>
but you can see that it is somewhat of a dead end
<freespace>
because the hardware is no longer being produced
<Necrosporus>
Maybe I'm even first person have worked with GNU/Linux on said PDA
<freespace>
the number of ppl porting softwar for it will decline until it gets to zero
<freespace>
along wih the number of working devices
<Necrosporus>
I can build LFS
<Necrosporus>
And port anything myself
<freespace>
but you can't build another pocket loox 710
<freespace>
if yours happen to break
<Necrosporus>
I can't build another NanoNote as well
<freespace>
that is true
<Necrosporus>
I don't have a factory
<freespace>
however, some one else can build a nanonote
<Necrosporus>
I don't need another pl710
<urandom_>
wolfspraul ping
<Necrosporus>
If this will break, I can just switch to other device
<freespace>
and throw away all your porting effort
<freespace>
and redo it again?
<bartbes>
urandom_: ping timeout (240 seconds)
<Necrosporus>
It probably will be just effort for effort
<Necrosporus>
Like building LFS
<freespace>
what do you mean by "effort for effort"?
<Necrosporus>
I don't see, why I would like to get another pl710 if this will die
<Necrosporus>
I'd prefer a superior device instead
<Necrosporus>
I thought about buying a Samsung i5700 Spica... But as I know, it could be reflashed only frow windows
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: pong
<Necrosporus>
It's only thing, why I decided not to buy it... plus maybe lack of money?
<Necrosporus>
Now I think about Highscreen Zeus
<Necrosporus>
It can at least browse the internet
<Necrosporus>
NanoNote can't :(
<freespace>
sure it can
<Necrosporus>
How?
<freespace>
i do it, just not in graphics mode, just yet
<freespace>
usb networking
<Necrosporus>
With usb cable?
<freespace>
nod
<freespace>
not entirely ideal, but far from "can't browse the net"
<Necrosporus>
Why I would do so if I can browse the internet from computer attached to other end?
<Necrosporus>
It would be much more comfy, I suppose
<freespace>
i didn't say you shohuld
<freespace>
simply that you can
<urandom_>
wolfspraul just wanted to ask if you would give bartbes a nanonote for free, i think you have already talked a bit to him, he is very skilled and has no rl so he can contribute lots of value to the project (and port ulove)
<Necrosporus>
freespace, for me, I won't because it uncomfy ~= I can't
<freespace>
won't != can't
<freespace>
anyway, ok
<bartbes>
urandom_: wait, you just said I have no real life?
<freespace>
it would seem the nanonote isn't suitable for you
<freespace>
was there some particular reason you took an interest?
<urandom_>
bartbes well not as much as rude, just wanted to say you have lots of time for it :P
<Necrosporus>
Only use for nanonote I can see is pocket bc
<Necrosporus>
But I have a calculator already
<bartbes>
urandom_: btw, he's in #loveclub as well
<bartbes>
just saying
<urandom_>
oh did not see
<bartbes>
but the others just stopped talking so..
<freespace>
it would appear then you have no use for a nanonote
<arctanx>
wolfspraul: I have a quick question if you have a minute... when you were testing various SD cards with the NN, what was your way of telling if they're not working? Could they not be read at all or was there difficulty booting from them?
<Necrosporus>
freespace, book reader
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: we (me) cannot give away units for free, because I already subsidize every device with both cash and time :-)
<freespace>
ok, odd choice given how small a screen it has, and not even eink
<wolfspraul>
so each time I 'sell' (ahem) one I give cash with it
<Necrosporus>
My pocket loox battery is broken
<Necrosporus>
But it was a pretty good reader
<wolfspraul>
but sometimes we find other people who donate devices, or rather pay for a device to be donated to someone
<Necrosporus>
It can work from battery only for less than hour
<wolfspraul>
he is in Germany?
<urandom_>
netherlands he is
<wolfspraul>
ah OK
<freespace>
surely there are other devices at a similar price point that will do the job?
<Necrosporus>
I don't know...
<neil_>
Necrosporus: the NanoNote does have an advantage here then: it takes standard Nokia batteries so you would't be stuck without a replacement battery ever again
<freespace>
that said, it should act as a reader fine
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: quickest solution is we need to find someone to cough up 99 EUR
<freespace>
it's other shortcomings dosn't distract from that
<freespace>
*detract
<Necrosporus>
neil_, hm... is there only one sort of nokia battery?
<wolfspraul>
arctanx: 'testing' I just try to boot, nothing more
<neil_>
Necrosporus: probably many, but BL-4C and BL-5C are very popular
<neil_>
Necrosporus: and still being produced
<urandom_>
wolfspraul i know you guys dont have much money but giving bartbes one yould increase the sales a lot in the long run maybe so would be an investment
<urandom_>
also i cant donate one for bartbes myself cause i earn no money
<arctanx>
wolfspraul: Cool. Do you know how u-boot fails when it's an unsupported kind of card? e.g., I currently have only a single card and it's reading /boot/uImage then freezing. It would be useful to me to know if that's an unsupported-card type of failure or something else entirely
<freespace>
suppose if you make a convincing case, you can get a enough ppl to each donate enough to get him one
<wolfspraul>
arctanx: probably the u-boot bug. xiangfu is on it, ping him.
<arctanx>
wolfspraul: oh okay, I obviously haven't been following closely enough, thanks for hte tip
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: the success of this project depends on our ability to find more people to share in, cash and time-wise
<wolfspraul>
more shoulders
<wolfspraul>
so any logic like "can't you just add another 99 EUR after you already chipped in 150k EUR" won't work with me
<wolfspraul>
if we don't find more people to share costs, the project will fail
<wolfspraul>
whether I ship out free Nanos or not (I have never done that and won't)
<freespace>
urandom_: see my earlier comment. make a convincing case and perhaps some of us here will donate enough to get him one
<wolfspraul>
we will have the same situation with Milkymist One very soon
<wolfspraul>
so far we have been quite successful at building a real community, with good hacking going on, good seeds
<urandom_>
who has paid for wejps nano?
<bartbes>
seeing this makes me feel guilty.. :(
<wolfspraul>
we had some where multiple people shared the costs
<wolfspraul>
bartbes: no! it's good! :-)
<wolfspraul>
we need to become more open minded in helping each other
<wolfspraul>
that is true for all parties
<freespace>
depending on what bartbes will bring, i am not against donating towards getting him a nanonote
<urandom_>
freespace porting ulove should be convincing enough
<freespace>
what's ulove?
<wolfspraul>
the only thing is that I really think for me personally I am already maxing it out, so just because I have a warehouse in Hong Kong with 2xx Nanos in it doesn't mean I can press the magic button and ship free devices out
<wolfspraul>
if I would do that I would kill the project
<wolfspraul>
ulove is cool
<freespace>
google isnt much help on what it is :)
<wolfspraul>
a game engine using Lua and SDL
<freespace>
ah
<wolfspraul>
what is the hp again? loeveproject.org?
<urandom_>
love2d.org
<wolfspraul>
ah
<wolfspraul>
bartbes: basically when you step forward and could do so many good things but can't just throw 99 EUR at it, it's a good opportunity for our project to make it more clear that we are a community funded project
<wolfspraul>
that people can help each other, donate or loan gear to each other, etc.
<wolfspraul>
if we don't take the time to communicate this, everybody will just think there is this big company somewhere throwing out free devices ala Google or Intel
<bartbes>
that would be cool though :P
<wolfspraul>
but there isn't, and we need to take the time to communicate this for the long term success of our project
<wolfspraul>
not necessarily
<arctanx>
wolfspraul: are you serious about the $150k? I'd be scared as hell
<wolfspraul>
I have seen such companies giving away tons of gear without any measurable results.
<wolfspraul>
what a waste
<wolfspraul>
sure I'm serious
<bartbes>
true, wasting is bad
<bartbes>
and 150k is bad as well..
<arctanx>
strewth
<wolfspraul>
no I'm not scared, all fine. project is a lot of fun! I actually trust this free software stuff and community :-)
<bartbes>
you are dedicated...
<arctanx>
awesome :)
<wolfspraul>
look what we've achieved already
<wolfspraul>
thanks to endless people who contribute, without pay
<wolfspraul>
we are building a whole little free distro
<wolfspraul>
multiple even with JLiMe
<wolfspraul>
I like this much better than Android or Ubuntu or MeeGo
<urandom_>
yeah
<arctanx>
at linux.conf.au 2008 they gave away about 400 OLPC laptops
<wolfspraul>
I bet.
<arctanx>
I'm sure there was some excellent work done as a result
<arctanx>
but by and large I doubt it was a nett win
<arctanx>
I agree that it's not a good strategy
<urandom_>
well 400 is lot of stuff but i gues you have to give some devices to core devs to be succesfull
<wolfspraul>
no
<wolfspraul>
totally disagree
<wolfspraul>
I have lots of first-hand experience in this.
<wolfspraul>
what works is very very subtle
<wolfspraul>
success most often depends on very few, even one, key individuals
<freespace>
give away enough laptops and you will get some excellent work. the question is whether there was net gain.
<wolfspraul>
like Lars in our case
<arctanx>
freespace: right, and I haven't heard anything to suggest there was
<arctanx>
heck, the OLPCs have run windows for a while now
<wolfspraul>
no giving away in this style is just clueless, will devalue their product, most devices will end in the drawer, etc.
<freespace>
iirc, not all of them were given to devs
<freespace>
some of them were given to sick children
<wolfspraul>
at least for me I can say I believe in individuals
<bartbes>
well, at least that's the purpose of the project
<wolfspraul>
I do believe that bartbes could make a different wrt loeve on NanoNote
<wolfspraul>
so I'm very interested in him having one
<wolfspraul>
but then - how to solve the finance problem? that's a good second challenge.
<urandom_>
dont we have any damaged nano that are good enough for development but cant be sold to enduser?
<wolfspraul>
but hardware quality of NanoNote is extremely good. Adam may have one or two damaged ones soon.
<wolfspraul>
if he can repair them we would probably not sell
<wolfspraul>
I will try to see what is there, I definitely try to not leave even one piece of any sample or prototype lying around somewhere.
<rafa>
wolfspraul: your work is great man, and I really like how well you do it.. I would like to see several wolfgans around showing the product in conferences, magazines, little meetings, whatever. I feel that many people do not understand well the Qi goals... But on the other hand people without business/talk/open hardware skills like me do not find an easy way to help with the success of the project.
<bartbes>
rafa: he just left..
<rafa>
I think that if every guy buying a nn is happy with it, then a nice way to help is to convice, at least, another person to get one. Because if you have a friend with a nn as well you would find more enthusiasm to work in it.. because you and your friend will have two machines, so would share experiences and stuff.
<rafa>
bartbes: no matter.. it is just the current talk
<rafa>
I like how zear was happy with his nn and hard was to work with it at the beggining.. so I really wanted to get one
<rafa>
and how hard*
<urandom_>
wolfspraul is reading irc archives anyway (or at least sometimes he is)
<rafa>
so we would be two
<arctanx>
I'll certainly try to show off my NN as much as possible at LCA2011
<arctanx>
I'm sure there'll be quite a bit of interest
<freespace>
i meant to show it off at pyconau, but turns out they sold out
<arctanx>
oh you're in sydney for that are you?
<freespace>
nah, i am in sydney
<freespace>
regardless of pycon :P
<arctanx>
Oh, cool, I'm in Hobart
<freespace>
ah, cool :)
<arctanx>
we'll have to make an NN posse or possibly do a miniconf talk in jan
<arctanx>
rafa: that's awesome, I should give it a go once I manage to get SD boot working
<rafa>
arctanx: jlime always works on sd.. it is not hard.
<freespace>
i need a) less pilots running b) less business documents to write c) more caffine
<arctanx>
rafa: I'm having trouble even getting u-boot to run my kernel, but I'll definitely check it out
<rafa>
arctanx: if you use the bootloader, kernel, and rootfs from jlime.com you will not have problems to boot jlime
<arctanx>
rafa: okay I'll give it a go sometime soon
<rafa>
arctanx: freespace : I will upload that current rootfs today (the video rootfs)
<arctanx>
what I should do is come up with an entertaining 3-minute lightning talk with the nanonote as the topic
<arctanx>
those are run in front of the entire audience at the end of LCA
<arctanx>
and I have a little experience writing that kind of talk too
<freespace>
does jlime have a graphical browser rafa?
<rafa>
freespace: which kind of browser?
<rafa>
web browser?
<freespace>
yeah, sorry to be unspecific
<rafa>
freespace: several.. it is based in OE, so the repo should have several of them. What we were happy always with the years, in hp jornadas, is using dillo
<rafa>
and we would add dillo to main rootfs soon surely
<freespace>
that's pretty awesome :D
<freespace>
let me liberate a SD card :)
<rafa>
freespace: but whatever distro you use, you can try links, links2, w3m, lynx, konkeror gtk1
<freespace>
i would ideally like gfx support
<freespace>
and managed to links2 running in graphics mode on openwrt
<freespace>
but it's laggy, runs out of memory quickly, and is has graphic bugs
<freespace>
needs swap if nothing else
<rafa>
nn should have always swap..
<rafa>
every linux around should have swap
<rafa>
still if you have 16GB of ram and use icewm
<freespace>
i was looking at netsurf next
<freespace>
maybe i forgot something when building my image
<freespace>
but i have no swap :P
<freespace>
haven't got around to fixing it
<freespace>
been keeping strange hours due to working with ppl in the states
<tuxbrain->
hi channel from a sunny beach ;)
<bartbes>
hi man on a sunny beach
<tuxbrain->
anything new in this two days (question mark)
<bartbes>
that's a short question mark!
<bartbes>
but I couldn't really tell, I've mostly been lurking
<tuxbrain->
this silly mobile doesn't allow to use some marks when on chat (sigh) ok bartbes just asking too many hours without been hanged here see you later maybe
<bartbes>
maybe a hot girl showed up at the beach...
<heow>
Anybody get a card stuck in the sd slot?  Mine won't come out and I'm debating if I should disassemble it to get it out.
<zear>
i think i got it once
<zear>
but i pressed it a couple of times and it went out by itself
<nebajoth>
that's what she said
<heow>
Hmm.  Mine presses in, but won't come out anymore.  Nor is grabbing it with tiny pliers work.
<nebajoth>
^
<bartbes>
pickaxe?
<bartbes>
in my experience all sd slots can be annoying
<bartbes>
mostly those that do not have the sd card sticking out
<heow>
Oh well, it's now a perma-card, the stuck sd is stopping the board from being pried up.
<bartbes>
you know you're going to spend every minute of your life trying to get the card out
<bartbes>
like everytime you use it you're going to try pressing the sd card
<bartbes>
first because you have hope
<bartbes>
then because it became a habit
<heow>
I'll develop an sd-card sized twitch which I'll carry to my deathbed.
<kyak>
we really need to get rid of this "TV LCD" in Ya
<kyak>
it just renders fonts less then 10 pt unusable
<kyak>
i'm comparing with my 320x240 Nokia N73 LCD screen
<kyak>
putty for symbian is displaying 5x7 fonts just AWESOME
<kyak>
all because of straight dot lines, as i believe
<calamarz>
also, I tried to compile some kernel modules with the openwrt toolchain to put them on my debian /lib/modules, but I was not even getting the ipkgs... think I screwed it up at some point
<sdschulze>
calamarz: would be kind if you could diff it to your .config
<sdschulze>
calamarz: The ones I tried were not binary-compatible.
<sdschulze>
(I hope I got the right file.)
<calamarz>
sdschulze: thanks man... still at job, but I'll keep trying this loong weekend :)
<sdschulze>
lekernel: So there are plans to turn MilkyMist into a general-purpose CPU?
<lekernel>
not by myself but it can be done
<lekernel>
anyway it already contains a general purpose CPU that beats the proprietary Microblaze alternative by a 15-35% increase in speed
<sdschulze>
Could it be even more boosted when implemented in an ASIC?
<sdschulze>
due to the higher clock speed
<lekernel>
yes
<lekernel>
should run at ~8x the speed of the FPGA in 90nm for example
<lekernel>
maybe more
<sdschulze>
lekernel: How complete is the free software toolchain for that kind of development, BTW?
<lekernel>
gcc is getting ok (people start to fix the ICEs)
<lekernel>
it's supported in 4.5+
<lekernel>
the linux port isn't so good, lots of bugs, lots of dirty code and hacks, etc.
<lekernel>
that's why I won't use it and put RTEMS instead
<lekernel>
but if you want to fix Linux problems you're welcome
<sdschulze>
Oh, I meant things like the synthesizer, the FPGA programmer, etc.
<lekernel>
there are good simulators
<lekernel>
(open source)
<sdschulze>
Which one are you using?
<lekernel>
there are some JTAG programming tools of various qualities (usually mediocre, but the proprietary tool sucks too)
<lekernel>
and for synthesis open source solutions are totally non-existent
<lekernel>
gplcver mostly
<sdschulze>
Is it better than Ikarus?
<lekernel>
about the same
<sdschulze>
*Icarus
<lekernel>
though it has fewer bugs it seems
<lekernel>
but I haven't tested the latest icarus versions
<sdschulze>
Latest?  Development is going on again? :)
<sdschulze>
Hm, is synthesis such a dark magic?
<emeb>
synthesis is dark magic
<lekernel>
no, but developers are slackasses
<emeb>
considering how much the synthesis tools companies charge for it anyway...
<lekernel>
emeb, that's not a good metric
<emeb>
has used both gplcver and icarus verilog. Both are good.
<sdschulze>
Thereby, they only *suggest* that it's hard.
<emeb>
icarus is pretty durn good these days - can simulate large Xilinx designs fast & with equivalent results to modelsim
<lekernel>
well, sure, it's harder than writing an arduino flasher
<sdschulze>
lekernel: :)
<lekernel>
but at least the LLVM project has the same level technical level as a synthesizer (imho)
<emeb>
theoretically icarus can synthesize but I've never tried it.
<lekernel>
icarus synthesis is crap, you can't do anything with it
<lekernel>
not even the simplest led blinker
<sdschulze>
still doesn't understand the purpose of Arduino.
<emeb>
embedded computing for the masses.
<sdschulze>
emeb: Why not just take an AVR directly?
<emeb>
well sure - there you go asking hard questions.
<emeb>
beats me -
<emeb>
correct me, but isn't the Ard programming environment just a wrapper around gcc?
<lekernel>
arduino is about the community, technically there's almost nothing
<lekernel>
it's a gcc wrapper indeed
<emeb>
instead of writing 'main.c' you write stubs that they pull together with their code & libs.
<lekernel>
yes
<emeb>
but it's still just c
<emeb>
keeps the newbs from having to deal with crt.s etc
<sdschulze>
Use avr-libc.
<lekernel>
sdschulze, this assumes they know how to use a linker
<lekernel>
same with board and soldering iron
<emeb>
I wouldn't use it, but I thing it's a great way to get folks going w/o too much hassle.
<lekernel>
plus the bootloader is pre-flashed, so they don't even have to use an ISP download cable
<emeb>
downside of that is they can't buy vanilla AVRs - they have to get 'em pre-flashed w/ bootloader.
<emeb>
market opportunity for folks like Sparkfun selling flashed AVRs to the ARD set.
<lekernel>
well, that's a bargain
<lekernel>
the biggest downside (imo) is the amount of buzz and quackery surrounding it
<sdschulze>
lekernel: So MilkyMist started as an academic project of yours?
<lekernel>
no, it started before I was at university, and then I had to write a thesis on something
<sdschulze>
ah, nice
<sdschulze>
is currently 3 months before university.
<lekernel>
I had the idea of the project in may 2007 actually
<lekernel>
back then I hadn't touched an fpga :)
<sdschulze>
what kind of thesis?  Bachelor/Master/PhD?
<lekernel>
master
<lekernel>
now I'm done with studies :)
<sdschulze>
My intention is that I'm interested in making CPUs more friendly towards high-level programming languages with all their sanity checks and polymorphism.
<sdschulze>
I hope I will be able to grap up something like that as an academic project, too.
<larsc>
it's a bit strange that things actually worked with that bug present
<nebajoth>
isn't pretty much everything dependent on the system clock?
<mth>
larsc: it didn't work when the bug was present, for example debugfs showed a bogus value
<mth>
but most child clocks call jz_clk_pll_get_rate directly instead of through the struct
<kristianpaul>
!seen wolfspraul
<kristianpaul>
seen wolfspraul
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<arctanx>
rafa: I had a go at that using that u-boot you linked on the mailing list but I'm still getting screen corruption & failed boot from SD. my understanding from discussing it in here yesterday is that there's an ongoing known bug
<arctanx>
that was with the debian stuff, I'm yet to try it with full jlime kernel & root
<arctanx>
that's probably a really good troubleshooting idea actually
<rafa>
arctanx: have you erased the complete NAND before to reflash the uboot?
<rafa>
you could not imagine how strange it is when you do not erase the complete nand before to reflash
<arctanx>
rafa: oddly enough, for the first time I skipped that step, because it's a pain
<arctanx>
I'm currently trying to set up a jlime installation so I'll come back to it in a bit
<arctanx>
thanks for the heads up
<rafa>
arctanx: but, okey, the problem is u-boot and you need to fix it first
<rafa>
it is not something in sd
<rafa>
please, usbboot your nn and erase the whole nand, then install the u-boot again
<arctanx>
Yeah I'm going to do it anyway for this jlime installation, so I'll make sure I do the erase
<rafa>
arctanx: great, I will try to upload the new rootfs soon so we will have more fun ;)
<rafa>
(I am having a little problem with the auto make rootfs now..)
<arctanx>
okay
<arctanx>
ahaha woo the jlime lives
<Overdrive>
hi ppl, I was interested in Ben Nanonote, however i think screen is too small to me. I would like to ask (as maybe you know) if there are any alternatives of laptops from 7" to 14" with completely free hardware like Ben Nanonote
<mth>
Overdrive: some Eee models are sold with Linux, but I don't know whether they use binary drivers or firmware
<Overdrive>
yep, I was thinking in all hw components as well
<Overdrive>
but I would like one to develop, and develop in 3" is too small to me :_(
<urandom__>
there isnt much really free hardware yet
<Overdrive>
i think Ben Nanonote is a good idea, but i think it will have more success with a 9 or 10" on the screen
<urandom__>
nah an 10" wouldnt fit in my pockets
<mth>
different size devices are good for different tasks
<urandom__>
the nice thing about it is that it is ultra portable, more like a small mobile phone than an laptop
<urandom__>
and yeah i had some ideas about a 7" nano myself ^^
<Overdrive>
hm Nanonote includes wireless card? or should you connect via usb?
<urandom__>
usb
<Overdrive>
an external one? :-)
<urandom__>
there is a microsd wireless card but not very cheap
<Overdrive>
hm, so at the moment my only alternative is a asus eeepc :/
<Overdrive>
but stills non-free hw
<mth>
make sure you avoid the Intel Poulsbo (GMA500) chipset, it seems to be very poorly supported
<mth>
unlike other Intel chipsets, which are very well supported
<mth>
apparently this is something they licensed from another company without thinking of how they're going to do Linux support for it
<urandom__>
there are some nice mips based netbooks, they are a bit more "free"
<urandom__>
Overdrive the best would be you would buy an ben nanonote to support the free hardware movement so that one day an bigger nano can be produced :P
<Overdrive>
urandom__: well, i support the fsf directly sending some money :-p but i'm 'poor' so i cannot spent more money